On April 24 2021 10:05 EndingLife wrote:
Who will take a game off of Snow?
Who will take a game off of Snow?
Before watching the VOD i would say noone.
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MeSaber
Sweden1221 Posts
On April 24 2021 10:05 EndingLife wrote: Who will take a game off of Snow? Before watching the VOD i would say noone. | ||
M3t4PhYzX
Poland3784 Posts
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
Dewalt was damn close though | ||
dsaqwe..
34 Posts
Maybe try with foreigners vs some top amateurs like sSinz, Zelot, Yangachi, Bishop, Scan...? | ||
True_Spike
Poland3396 Posts
Apart from the game with Dewalt, which was kind of funky, this has got to be the most crushing defeat for the foreigners so far. Snow looked and felt so incredibly dominant in these games. That was, to be fair, expected This series is great, I hope this can become a regular thing. Who's playing next week? | ||
alypse
Vietnam2762 Posts
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superjoppe
Sweden3680 Posts
Just looked at all the games. Very entertaining. The Dewalt game felt like an ASL game, very close. All other games felt like Flash vs amateur | ||
LfunkGG
78 Posts
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IntoTheStorm
116 Posts
On April 24 2021 20:15 dsaqwe.. wrote: huh Snow risked so much What did he risk in a for fun showmatch? | ||
TMNT
1830 Posts
On April 25 2021 03:35 IntoTheStorm wrote: What did he risk in a for fun showmatch? He probably referred to the 12 Nexus that Snow used a lot during the showmatch. Tbf it's a popular opening when Korean pros play each other. Any rush can be held with proper micro, and Snow knows his micro is superior to his opponents, hence he can comfortably "risk" it. | ||
IntoTheStorm
116 Posts
On April 25 2021 03:47 TMNT wrote: Show nested quote + On April 25 2021 03:35 IntoTheStorm wrote: On April 24 2021 20:15 dsaqwe.. wrote: huh Snow risked so much What did he risk in a for fun showmatch? He probably referred to the 12 Nexus that Snow used a lot during the showmatch. Yes, I thought that's the reference too. But when you know you're superior in any aspect, it's a pretty safe bet you can get away with a 12 nexus. It's like even though foreigners obviously know what the best response is supposed to be, they just can't execute it properly and this gave the needed layer of security for Snow. And he's so tricky too, that probe dance against gypsy, I gasped when I saw it and I thought "No way you're doing this, you're so dirty!" It was so pretty! | ||
IntoTheStorm
116 Posts
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IntoTheStorm
116 Posts
On April 25 2021 03:47 TMNT wrote: He probably referred to the 12 Nexus that Snow used a lot during the showmatch. Yes, I thought that's the reference too. But when you know you're superior in any aspect, it's a pretty safe bet you can get away with a 12 nexus. It's like even though foreigners obviously know what the best response is supposed to be, they just can't execute it properly and this gave the needed layer of security for Snow. And he's so tricky too, that probe dance against gypsy, I gasped when I saw it and I thought "No way you're doing this, you're so dirty!" It was so pretty! Also I'm quite ignorant, can someone explain why did Snow choose to cross scout vs Oya? Is it something like "If he's not cross, I fork my build like this regardless if he's up or left." I'm so confused when pros scout like that, it has to have a reason. It was critical this game as it reveled the zealots and the goon damaged one before they were at the ramp. | ||
ERSJ
Sweden57 Posts
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On April 24 2021 20:15 dsaqwe.. wrote: huh Snow risked so much, did not expect that. Maybe try with foreigners vs some top amateurs like sSinz, Zelot, Yangachi, Bishop, Scan...? I think it would be great! Kudos to Dewalt, someone with worse reaver control than Snow would have lost from that position. | ||
Improvement
203 Posts
On April 20 2021 10:18 TMNT wrote: Show nested quote + On April 20 2021 09:45 KwarK wrote: On April 20 2021 09:14 TMNT wrote: On April 20 2021 09:05 oxKnu wrote: On April 20 2021 08:44 TMNT wrote: On April 20 2021 08:33 oxKnu wrote: On April 20 2021 08:28 TMNT wrote: On April 20 2021 01:02 oxKnu wrote: On April 19 2021 10:34 TMNT wrote: On April 18 2021 14:28 KwarK wrote: [quote] Did you miss the first 5 minutes of the game? I get that you're refering to the sunken rush. Yes Bonyth gets sunken rushed but it's not a game ending cheese. He loses a gateway, a pylon and a forge, but no probes and the Core is not delayed. ...Have you ever played this game? Holy shit.. What's up with the flock of SC2 fans in this thread spreading their dumbass arguments that are hilarious at best? You better come up with some arguments of your own before calling others dumbass. Otherwise I can call yours the same without providing any evidences. Initially I also thought the game would have ended very soon after that sunken rush, but look: at the 8:25 minute mark, Bonyth is up 30 supplies (82 vs 52) and 12 workers (46 vs 34), has speedlot +1, while Action is on 4 and a half hatches with only hydra tech. Obviously those figures dont tell the whole story but how can you look at that and say the game is about to end for Protoss? And it didn't. Bonyth kept that lead until the 15 minute mark. I have seen Protoss eventually win the game in harder circumstances. Let's not pretend we all haven't. I can go on to justify my view on that game, but let's see your response first because I don't like conversations too off-topic. Your argument reeks of someone that hasn't seen that many games of BW in their life, especially PvZ. Zerg was ahead, zerg was always ahead in that game. The discrepancy in skill was apparent in other more subtle aspects of that game, I'm sure in time you will pick them up as you watch more BW. Once again you haven't provided any concrete arguments but just jump on the conclusion. I can easily tell you that despite you watching more BW than me (let's just assume that's true for the sake of argument) you barely know anything yet you go on here bragging about your understanding. See, I just did what you did. Of course Action was ahead in that game. If he wasn't he would have played more defensively with sunken and lurker etc. rather than dancing around with pure hydras like that. Then again, what is your point here, as I don't see one other than bragging without any evidences? Yeah you got it now. It was because of the dancing hydras he was ahead.. You don't even earn the right to be condescending here lol. You haven't been able to counter just one single point I made. Talk about clueless... You never made a point. The game was lost in the first 5 minutes with the cheese. Nothing after that point showed anything about who was better. I made multiple points. You and the other guy just conveniently ignored them. It's even reflected in that you and him didn't quote my full post but just a part of it. I agree the game was lost after that sunken rush (hence I said in one of my previous posts that I thought the game would have ended sooner), but not in the manner that we saw. In fact I didn't respond to your previous post about the unwinnable position because in the end it's not something clearly quantifiable so we can agree to disagree. But now you've made the bolder claim that "Nothing after that point showed anything about who was better", then a certain poster in this thread may feel inclined to remind you that "The discrepancy in skill was apparent in other more subtle aspects of that game". Now back to topic, if you are unclear, here's my two main points: - At the 8:25 minute mark, Bonyth is up 30 supplies (82 vs 52) and 12 workers (46 vs 34), has speedlot +1, while Action is on 4 and a half hatches with only hydra tech. And Bonyth had that lead until the 15 minute mark. Please tell me that there has been no Protoss players in the history of BW who could win the game from there. - Action never made any other fighting units apart from Hydra (and a few lings at the beginning) and he won a 20-minute game just by navigating them effectively (it's not like he did a hydra bust by A click at the natural of a regular map). He probably doesn't need defiler in that game but in a normal game at least we'd see some lurkers or mutas to make his game easier. Why? If it were Bisu at the other end would he dare to play out like that? Or show me a foreigner Zerg who has the audacity to do that and pull it off. A few great storms and the game can turn. So if that doesn't show the gap in skill I don't know what is. Completely agree with you. Action was just trolling him more or less at this point. Don't know why these guys are in denial. | ||
Cruiser0929
511 Posts
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mcmartini
Australia1972 Posts
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Djabanete
United States2783 Posts
On April 26 2021 08:55 mcmartini wrote: Snow w/ a shuttle is incredibly dangerous. No kidding. There was a KeSPA-era proleague PvZ where Snow had a reaver with 71 kills, if I recall correctly. | ||
M3t4PhYzX
Poland3784 Posts
On April 24 2021 20:15 dsaqwe.. wrote: huh Snow risked so much, did not expect that. Maybe try with foreigners vs some top amateurs like sSinz, Zelot, Yangachi, Bishop, Scan...? yes, much better idea, imo | ||
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