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On April 20 2021 10:18 TMNT wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2021 09:45 KwarK wrote:On April 20 2021 09:14 TMNT wrote:On April 20 2021 09:05 oxKnu wrote:On April 20 2021 08:44 TMNT wrote:On April 20 2021 08:33 oxKnu wrote:On April 20 2021 08:28 TMNT wrote:On April 20 2021 01:02 oxKnu wrote:On April 19 2021 10:34 TMNT wrote:On April 18 2021 14:28 KwarK wrote:
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Did you miss the first 5 minutes of the game? I get that you're refering to the sunken rush. Yes Bonyth gets sunken rushed but it's not a game ending cheese. He loses a gateway, a pylon and a forge, but no probes and the Core is not delayed. ...Have you ever played this game? Holy shit.. What's up with the flock of SC2 fans in this thread spreading their dumbass arguments that are hilarious at best? You better come up with some arguments of your own before calling others dumbass. Otherwise I can call yours the same without providing any evidences. Initially I also thought the game would have ended very soon after that sunken rush, but look: at the 8:25 minute mark, Bonyth is up 30 supplies (82 vs 52) and 12 workers (46 vs 34), has speedlot +1, while Action is on 4 and a half hatches with only hydra tech. Obviously those figures dont tell the whole story but how can you look at that and say the game is about to end for Protoss? And it didn't. Bonyth kept that lead until the 15 minute mark. I have seen Protoss eventually win the game in harder circumstances. Let's not pretend we all haven't. I can go on to justify my view on that game, but let's see your response first because I don't like conversations too off-topic. Your argument reeks of someone that hasn't seen that many games of BW in their life, especially PvZ. Zerg was ahead, zerg was always ahead in that game. The discrepancy in skill was apparent in other more subtle aspects of that game, I'm sure in time you will pick them up as you watch more BW. Once again you haven't provided any concrete arguments but just jump on the conclusion. I can easily tell you that despite you watching more BW than me (let's just assume that's true for the sake of argument) you barely know anything yet you go on here bragging about your understanding. See, I just did what you did. Of course Action was ahead in that game. If he wasn't he would have played more defensively with sunken and lurker etc. rather than dancing around with pure hydras like that. Then again, what is your point here, as I don't see one other than bragging without any evidences? Yeah you got it now. It was because of the dancing hydras he was ahead.. You don't even earn the right to be condescending here lol. You haven't been able to counter just one single point I made. Talk about clueless... You never made a point. The game was lost in the first 5 minutes with the cheese. Nothing after that point showed anything about who was better. I made multiple points. You and the other guy just conveniently ignored them. It's even reflected in that you and him didn't quote my full post but just a part of it. I agree the game was lost after that sunken rush (hence I said in one of my previous posts that I thought the game would have ended sooner), but not in the manner that we saw. In fact I didn't respond to your previous post about the unwinnable position because in the end it's not something clearly quantifiable so we can agree to disagree. But now you've made the bolder claim that "Nothing after that point showed anything about who was better", then a certain poster in this thread may feel inclined to remind you that "The discrepancy in skill was apparent in other more subtle aspects of that game". Now back to topic, if you are unclear, here's my two main points: - At the 8:25 minute mark, Bonyth is up 30 supplies (82 vs 52) and 12 workers (46 vs 34), has speedlot +1, while Action is on 4 and a half hatches with only hydra tech. And Bonyth had that lead until the 15 minute mark. Please tell me that there has been no Protoss players in the history of BW who could win the game from there. - Action never made any other fighting units apart from Hydra (and a few lings at the beginning) and he won a 20-minute game just by navigating them effectively (it's not like he did a hydra bust by A click at the natural of a regular map). He probably doesn't need defiler in that game but in a normal game at least we'd see some lurkers or mutas to make his game easier. Why? If it were Bisu at the other end would he dare to play out like that? Or show me a foreigner Zerg who has the audacity to do that and pull it off. A few great storms and the game can turn. So if that doesn't show the gap in skill I don't know what is.
I don’t think you know how PvZ works.
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On April 20 2021 10:42 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2021 10:18 TMNT wrote:On April 20 2021 09:45 KwarK wrote:On April 20 2021 09:14 TMNT wrote:On April 20 2021 09:05 oxKnu wrote:On April 20 2021 08:44 TMNT wrote:On April 20 2021 08:33 oxKnu wrote:On April 20 2021 08:28 TMNT wrote:On April 20 2021 01:02 oxKnu wrote:On April 19 2021 10:34 TMNT wrote:
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I get that you're refering to the sunken rush. Yes Bonyth gets sunken rushed but it's not a game ending cheese. He loses a gateway, a pylon and a forge, but no probes and the Core is not delayed.
...Have you ever played this game? Holy shit.. What's up with the flock of SC2 fans in this thread spreading their dumbass arguments that are hilarious at best? You better come up with some arguments of your own before calling others dumbass. Otherwise I can call yours the same without providing any evidences. Initially I also thought the game would have ended very soon after that sunken rush, but look: at the 8:25 minute mark, Bonyth is up 30 supplies (82 vs 52) and 12 workers (46 vs 34), has speedlot +1, while Action is on 4 and a half hatches with only hydra tech. Obviously those figures dont tell the whole story but how can you look at that and say the game is about to end for Protoss? And it didn't. Bonyth kept that lead until the 15 minute mark. I have seen Protoss eventually win the game in harder circumstances. Let's not pretend we all haven't. I can go on to justify my view on that game, but let's see your response first because I don't like conversations too off-topic. Your argument reeks of someone that hasn't seen that many games of BW in their life, especially PvZ. Zerg was ahead, zerg was always ahead in that game. The discrepancy in skill was apparent in other more subtle aspects of that game, I'm sure in time you will pick them up as you watch more BW. Once again you haven't provided any concrete arguments but just jump on the conclusion. I can easily tell you that despite you watching more BW than me (let's just assume that's true for the sake of argument) you barely know anything yet you go on here bragging about your understanding. See, I just did what you did. Of course Action was ahead in that game. If he wasn't he would have played more defensively with sunken and lurker etc. rather than dancing around with pure hydras like that. Then again, what is your point here, as I don't see one other than bragging without any evidences? Yeah you got it now. It was because of the dancing hydras he was ahead.. You don't even earn the right to be condescending here lol. You haven't been able to counter just one single point I made. Talk about clueless... You never made a point. The game was lost in the first 5 minutes with the cheese. Nothing after that point showed anything about who was better. I made multiple points. You and the other guy just conveniently ignored them. It's even reflected in that you and him didn't quote my full post but just a part of it. I agree the game was lost after that sunken rush (hence I said in one of my previous posts that I thought the game would have ended sooner), but not in the manner that we saw. In fact I didn't respond to your previous post about the unwinnable position because in the end it's not something clearly quantifiable so we can agree to disagree. But now you've made the bolder claim that "Nothing after that point showed anything about who was better", then a certain poster in this thread may feel inclined to remind you that "The discrepancy in skill was apparent in other more subtle aspects of that game". Now back to topic, if you are unclear, here's my two main points: - At the 8:25 minute mark, Bonyth is up 30 supplies (82 vs 52) and 12 workers (46 vs 34), has speedlot +1, while Action is on 4 and a half hatches with only hydra tech. And Bonyth had that lead until the 15 minute mark. Please tell me that there has been no Protoss players in the history of BW who could win the game from there. - Action never made any other fighting units apart from Hydra (and a few lings at the beginning) and he won a 20-minute game just by navigating them effectively (it's not like he did a hydra bust by A click at the natural of a regular map). He probably doesn't need defiler in that game but in a normal game at least we'd see some lurkers or mutas to make his game easier. Why? If it were Bisu at the other end would he dare to play out like that? Or show me a foreigner Zerg who has the audacity to do that and pull it off. A few great storms and the game can turn. So if that doesn't show the gap in skill I don't know what is. I don’t think you know how PvZ works.
I think you can't come up with a valid argument so copping out while pretending you're on the high ground is the obvious choice. I can sympathize with that.
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On April 20 2021 11:06 TMNT wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2021 10:42 KwarK wrote:On April 20 2021 10:18 TMNT wrote:On April 20 2021 09:45 KwarK wrote:On April 20 2021 09:14 TMNT wrote:On April 20 2021 09:05 oxKnu wrote:On April 20 2021 08:44 TMNT wrote:On April 20 2021 08:33 oxKnu wrote:On April 20 2021 08:28 TMNT wrote:On April 20 2021 01:02 oxKnu wrote:
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...Have you ever played this game? Holy shit..
What's up with the flock of SC2 fans in this thread spreading their dumbass arguments that are hilarious at best?
You better come up with some arguments of your own before calling others dumbass. Otherwise I can call yours the same without providing any evidences. Initially I also thought the game would have ended very soon after that sunken rush, but look: at the 8:25 minute mark, Bonyth is up 30 supplies (82 vs 52) and 12 workers (46 vs 34), has speedlot +1, while Action is on 4 and a half hatches with only hydra tech. Obviously those figures dont tell the whole story but how can you look at that and say the game is about to end for Protoss? And it didn't. Bonyth kept that lead until the 15 minute mark. I have seen Protoss eventually win the game in harder circumstances. Let's not pretend we all haven't. I can go on to justify my view on that game, but let's see your response first because I don't like conversations too off-topic. Your argument reeks of someone that hasn't seen that many games of BW in their life, especially PvZ. Zerg was ahead, zerg was always ahead in that game. The discrepancy in skill was apparent in other more subtle aspects of that game, I'm sure in time you will pick them up as you watch more BW. Once again you haven't provided any concrete arguments but just jump on the conclusion. I can easily tell you that despite you watching more BW than me (let's just assume that's true for the sake of argument) you barely know anything yet you go on here bragging about your understanding. See, I just did what you did. Of course Action was ahead in that game. If he wasn't he would have played more defensively with sunken and lurker etc. rather than dancing around with pure hydras like that. Then again, what is your point here, as I don't see one other than bragging without any evidences? Yeah you got it now. It was because of the dancing hydras he was ahead.. You don't even earn the right to be condescending here lol. You haven't been able to counter just one single point I made. Talk about clueless... You never made a point. The game was lost in the first 5 minutes with the cheese. Nothing after that point showed anything about who was better. I made multiple points. You and the other guy just conveniently ignored them. It's even reflected in that you and him didn't quote my full post but just a part of it. I agree the game was lost after that sunken rush (hence I said in one of my previous posts that I thought the game would have ended sooner), but not in the manner that we saw. In fact I didn't respond to your previous post about the unwinnable position because in the end it's not something clearly quantifiable so we can agree to disagree. But now you've made the bolder claim that "Nothing after that point showed anything about who was better", then a certain poster in this thread may feel inclined to remind you that "The discrepancy in skill was apparent in other more subtle aspects of that game". Now back to topic, if you are unclear, here's my two main points: - At the 8:25 minute mark, Bonyth is up 30 supplies (82 vs 52) and 12 workers (46 vs 34), has speedlot +1, while Action is on 4 and a half hatches with only hydra tech. And Bonyth had that lead until the 15 minute mark. Please tell me that there has been no Protoss players in the history of BW who could win the game from there. - Action never made any other fighting units apart from Hydra (and a few lings at the beginning) and he won a 20-minute game just by navigating them effectively (it's not like he did a hydra bust by A click at the natural of a regular map). He probably doesn't need defiler in that game but in a normal game at least we'd see some lurkers or mutas to make his game easier. Why? If it were Bisu at the other end would he dare to play out like that? Or show me a foreigner Zerg who has the audacity to do that and pull it off. A few great storms and the game can turn. So if that doesn't show the gap in skill I don't know what is. I don’t think you know how PvZ works. I think you can't come up with a valid argument so copping out while pretending you're on the high ground is the obvious choice. I can sympathize with that.
Hydra tech is the main tech for Z in that matchup and it’s normal for P to have a higher supply even when behind. You’re describing advantages that aren’t advantages.
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Yep,Yep,Yep....
zerg is on less drones (vs.probes), hydras only cost 1 supply (in comparision to zealots and dragoons which cost 2), zerg is always behind in supply.
Now tech wise... Bonyth had speed/+1 as well as stargate and templar of archives. Funny that you mention 8:25 since he more or less lost the game 20 seconds later with that zealot attack. Bonyth probably thought that he was further behind then he was and had to attack.
If he would have just pressured and taken that expansion then we would have had a more even game. The sunken rush didn't do critical damage but it messed up his timing and ability to read the game to the point where he made a lot of mistakes later.
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U guys are looking at it from the wrong, overall, perspective.
It's much simpler than that. I agreed to play in this event, but unfortunately i was forced to play it on a map that i don't like or have much experiance on. This alone lead to bad sim city and insufficient gateway count among other discomforts.
Not commenting other points of discussion, which may or may not be true : )
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I feel like I'm having an Artosis moment which feels pretty nauseating to be honest but how does that guy spend that much time to argue about something that he clearly has no clue about. Contradicting himself from post to post doing so too..
The internet is truly amazing.
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On April 20 2021 11:18 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2021 11:06 TMNT wrote:On April 20 2021 10:42 KwarK wrote:On April 20 2021 10:18 TMNT wrote:On April 20 2021 09:45 KwarK wrote:On April 20 2021 09:14 TMNT wrote:On April 20 2021 09:05 oxKnu wrote:On April 20 2021 08:44 TMNT wrote:On April 20 2021 08:33 oxKnu wrote:On April 20 2021 08:28 TMNT wrote:
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You better come up with some arguments of your own before calling others dumbass. Otherwise I can call yours the same without providing any evidences.
Initially I also thought the game would have ended very soon after that sunken rush, but look: at the 8:25 minute mark, Bonyth is up 30 supplies (82 vs 52) and 12 workers (46 vs 34), has speedlot +1, while Action is on 4 and a half hatches with only hydra tech. Obviously those figures dont tell the whole story but how can you look at that and say the game is about to end for Protoss? And it didn't. Bonyth kept that lead until the 15 minute mark. I have seen Protoss eventually win the game in harder circumstances. Let's not pretend we all haven't.
I can go on to justify my view on that game, but let's see your response first because I don't like conversations too off-topic.
Your argument reeks of someone that hasn't seen that many games of BW in their life, especially PvZ. Zerg was ahead, zerg was always ahead in that game. The discrepancy in skill was apparent in other more subtle aspects of that game, I'm sure in time you will pick them up as you watch more BW. Once again you haven't provided any concrete arguments but just jump on the conclusion. I can easily tell you that despite you watching more BW than me (let's just assume that's true for the sake of argument) you barely know anything yet you go on here bragging about your understanding. See, I just did what you did. Of course Action was ahead in that game. If he wasn't he would have played more defensively with sunken and lurker etc. rather than dancing around with pure hydras like that. Then again, what is your point here, as I don't see one other than bragging without any evidences? Yeah you got it now. It was because of the dancing hydras he was ahead.. You don't even earn the right to be condescending here lol. You haven't been able to counter just one single point I made. Talk about clueless... You never made a point. The game was lost in the first 5 minutes with the cheese. Nothing after that point showed anything about who was better. I made multiple points. You and the other guy just conveniently ignored them. It's even reflected in that you and him didn't quote my full post but just a part of it. I agree the game was lost after that sunken rush (hence I said in one of my previous posts that I thought the game would have ended sooner), but not in the manner that we saw. In fact I didn't respond to your previous post about the unwinnable position because in the end it's not something clearly quantifiable so we can agree to disagree. But now you've made the bolder claim that "Nothing after that point showed anything about who was better", then a certain poster in this thread may feel inclined to remind you that "The discrepancy in skill was apparent in other more subtle aspects of that game". Now back to topic, if you are unclear, here's my two main points: - At the 8:25 minute mark, Bonyth is up 30 supplies (82 vs 52) and 12 workers (46 vs 34), has speedlot +1, while Action is on 4 and a half hatches with only hydra tech. And Bonyth had that lead until the 15 minute mark. Please tell me that there has been no Protoss players in the history of BW who could win the game from there. - Action never made any other fighting units apart from Hydra (and a few lings at the beginning) and he won a 20-minute game just by navigating them effectively (it's not like he did a hydra bust by A click at the natural of a regular map). He probably doesn't need defiler in that game but in a normal game at least we'd see some lurkers or mutas to make his game easier. Why? If it were Bisu at the other end would he dare to play out like that? Or show me a foreigner Zerg who has the audacity to do that and pull it off. A few great storms and the game can turn. So if that doesn't show the gap in skill I don't know what is. I don’t think you know how PvZ works. I think you can't come up with a valid argument so copping out while pretending you're on the high ground is the obvious choice. I can sympathize with that. Hydra tech is the main tech for Z in that matchup and it’s normal for P to have a higher supply even when behind. You’re describing advantages that aren’t advantages.
Oh come on, that's just some generic stuff to oversimplify the situation here. Hydra is the main tech for Z but it's not the only tech. You don't often see Zerg going for a 20 minute game without further tech than Hydra, do you? Action actually took a risk by going pure hydra like that because one bad fight and his army can evaporate by the storms. Had he lost that game everyone would agree that his mistake is not making any lurkers. Funnily you keep dodging this point.
And I never said Bonyth had an advantage so you're countering a strawman there. The fact that he leads by 30 supplies (and I repeat, it's not just for one moment, he holds that leads until the 15 minute mark) suggests that he's not that far behind, certainly not game-ending far. That kind of supply difference is very common in PvZ, and normally indicates an even game (unless P is on one base or something). But I'm not blind to the fact that he took early damage and was probably behind, which is reflected by other underlying factors, like his Gateway count. Now, you can't deny that there are games where Protoss comes out on top from even worse positions than that, i.e falling behind in supply. So how can you say it's unwinnable, especially since Bonyth also made other mistakes, albeit small, after that, like losing his corsairs for nothing, or letting his stray HTs being picked off by hydra.
I think I've made my points very clear and detailed.
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On April 20 2021 17:32 oxKnu wrote:
I feel like I'm having an Artosis moment which feels pretty nauseating to be honest but how does that guy spend that much time to argue about something that he clearly has no clue about. Contradicting himself from post to post doing so too..
The internet is truly amazing.
Hahaha the only amazing thing here is how you can keep claiming things without ever providing any substantial arguments.
Judging by the quality of your posts in this conversation up to now you are practically a troll.
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Stop over analyzing the game, action seemed to just finish the series early. Just hope for dewalt or bonyth or oya take a game in pvp. We all knew no foreigners are even close to top amateurs, but we are facing top pros.
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If i was to link you game between Action and Best where zerg played basically hydra only build until protoss ran out of 3 base economy, would that be good enough to change your mind?
Proleague game from couple of days ago. Or was Action going easy on Best as well?
Lets see if people can change their opinion in the internet.
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On April 20 2021 18:37 Bonyth wrote:
If i was to link you game between Action and Best where zerg played basically hydra only build until protoss ran out of 3 base economy, would that be good enough to change your mind?
Proleague game from couple of days ago. Or was Action going easy on Best as well?
Lets see if people can change their opinion in the internet.
Since March Best lost to Action only once (4 days ago on Ascension), I checked that game and saw lurkers, muta, dark swarm and plague, so maybe you mistaken Action with another Zerg.
But I'm all for constructive discussion so do pls show me a game like that.
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The man himself has spoken /thread.
You have to look at the entire game as a whole - Bonyth lost all of his zealots at that 8:45 attack. It would make no sense whatsoever to research lurkers unless he was going for a contain or double expand/passive defence. Instead he got his 4th base, doged some storms and went into dual upgrade and macro. He would have a hard time to even afford enough lurkers at that point.
Action had impeccable macro and as Bonyth said he does not like the map (which could make it harder to move around a big army) and slipped on his sim city to get out enough gateways to support the economy (floating a bit of minerals).
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@Bonyth - how does it feel to be so good that your game can spark an argument why you lost vs. Action in an exhibition game? 
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On April 20 2021 18:59 TMNT wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2021 18:37 Bonyth wrote:
If i was to link you game between Action and Best where zerg played basically hydra only build until protoss ran out of 3 base economy, would that be good enough to change your mind?
Proleague game from couple of days ago. Or was Action going easy on Best as well?
Lets see if people can change their opinion in the internet. Since March Best lost to Action only once (4 days ago on Ascension), I checked that game and saw lurkers, muta, dark swarm and plague, so maybe you mistaken Action with another Zerg. But I'm all for constructive discussion so do pls show me a game like that.
you shift the subject of discussion
You claimed bonyth couldnt have been behind due to supply whereas every experienced SCBW player nows that in PvZ the Protoss is always ahead in supply and being so does not at all imply the game is in favour of protoss or even..
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On April 20 2021 19:23 MaGic~PhiL wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2021 18:59 TMNT wrote:On April 20 2021 18:37 Bonyth wrote:
If i was to link you game between Action and Best where zerg played basically hydra only build until protoss ran out of 3 base economy, would that be good enough to change your mind?
Proleague game from couple of days ago. Or was Action going easy on Best as well?
Lets see if people can change their opinion in the internet. Since March Best lost to Action only once (4 days ago on Ascension), I checked that game and saw lurkers, muta, dark swarm and plague, so maybe you mistaken Action with another Zerg. But I'm all for constructive discussion so do pls show me a game like that. you shift the subject of discussion You claimed bonyth couldnt have been behind due to supply whereas every experienced SCBW player nows that in PvZ the Protoss is always ahead in supply and being so does not at all imply the game is in favour of protoss or even..
I never claimed that lol. You made the same mistake as Kwark. Read my previous response to him.
I literally said he was behind. The fact that some of you guys saw I mention the supply difference and immediately jump to the conclusion that I was saying Bonyth was ahead is ludicrous, given that P always leading in supply in PvZ (or PvT for that matter) is a known fact. The discussion was never that shallow.
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On April 20 2021 19:40 TMNT wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2021 19:23 MaGic~PhiL wrote:On April 20 2021 18:59 TMNT wrote:On April 20 2021 18:37 Bonyth wrote:
If i was to link you game between Action and Best where zerg played basically hydra only build until protoss ran out of 3 base economy, would that be good enough to change your mind?
Proleague game from couple of days ago. Or was Action going easy on Best as well?
Lets see if people can change their opinion in the internet. Since March Best lost to Action only once (4 days ago on Ascension), I checked that game and saw lurkers, muta, dark swarm and plague, so maybe you mistaken Action with another Zerg. But I'm all for constructive discussion so do pls show me a game like that. you shift the subject of discussion You claimed bonyth couldnt have been behind due to supply whereas every experienced SCBW player nows that in PvZ the Protoss is always ahead in supply and being so does not at all imply the game is in favour of protoss or even.. I never claimed that lol. You made the same mistake as Kwark. Read my previous response to him. I literally said he was behind. The fact that some of you guys saw I mention the supply difference and immediately jump to the conclusion that I was saying Bonyth was ahead is ludicrous, given that P always leading in supply in PvZ (or PvT for that matter) is a known fact. The discussion was never that shallow.
Yes Bonyth gets sunken rushed but it's not a game ending cheese. He loses a gateway, a pylon and a forge, but no probes and the Core is not delayed. Surely it's an advantage to Action but Bonyth stabilises, and for the entire midgame he always leads by ~30 supplies and ~10 workers, while also gets his third in time. Surely that's not an unwinable position.
You must be trolling at this point haha..
So in your mind, Bonyth was still very much in the game but behind as well?
Impressive. Well I guess overall that's a compliment to Bonyth so all is well here.
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On April 20 2021 22:25 oxKnu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2021 19:40 TMNT wrote:On April 20 2021 19:23 MaGic~PhiL wrote:On April 20 2021 18:59 TMNT wrote:On April 20 2021 18:37 Bonyth wrote:
If i was to link you game between Action and Best where zerg played basically hydra only build until protoss ran out of 3 base economy, would that be good enough to change your mind?
Proleague game from couple of days ago. Or was Action going easy on Best as well?
Lets see if people can change their opinion in the internet. Since March Best lost to Action only once (4 days ago on Ascension), I checked that game and saw lurkers, muta, dark swarm and plague, so maybe you mistaken Action with another Zerg. But I'm all for constructive discussion so do pls show me a game like that. you shift the subject of discussion You claimed bonyth couldnt have been behind due to supply whereas every experienced SCBW player nows that in PvZ the Protoss is always ahead in supply and being so does not at all imply the game is in favour of protoss or even.. I never claimed that lol. You made the same mistake as Kwark. Read my previous response to him. I literally said he was behind. The fact that some of you guys saw I mention the supply difference and immediately jump to the conclusion that I was saying Bonyth was ahead is ludicrous, given that P always leading in supply in PvZ (or PvT for that matter) is a known fact. The discussion was never that shallow. Show nested quote +Yes Bonyth gets sunken rushed but it's not a game ending cheese. He loses a gateway, a pylon and a forge, but no probes and the Core is not delayed. Surely it's an advantage to Action but Bonyth stabilises, and for the entire midgame he always leads by ~30 supplies and ~10 workers, while also gets his third in time. Surely that's not an unwinable position. You must be trolling at this point haha.. So in your mind, Bonyth was still very much in the game but behind as well? Impressive. Well I guess overall that's a compliment to Bonyth so all is well here.
Yeah, one can be behind and still have a chance to win. How is that a difficult concept in sport?
To say that Bonyth had no chance after the sunken rush is actually the insult to him because it basically means he was pulling a fantasy gg timing by fighting for another 15 min.
The supply lead is just evidence that he was still in the game. Some of you guys must have thought because I have 50 posts so I was implying Bonyth was ahead and know nothing about PvZ huh.
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Ofc he still had a chance.
The point is: You are arguing a) Bonyth lost even though Action played Hydra man (a viable strategy on Ringing Bloom btw) and even though Bonyth was very much in this game
we are arguing that b) Bonyth was at a disadvantage due to the early losses of 3 buildings and we would have really loved to see what he could have done if that didnt happen considering how decent he played and how overall close and long that game was compared to the other games
Mainly you are always switching ur opinions and restating certain things so Im good now.
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On April 20 2021 23:10 TMNT wrote:
Some of you guys must have thought because I have 50 posts so I was implying Bonyth was ahead and know nothing about PvZ huh.
Well you've definitely made a hard case for it in this thread.
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