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Valhalla18444 Posts
On July 29 2007 14:20 phr4n7ik wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2007 10:27 Carnac wrote:the fact that a player who wins an OSL almost always gets thrown out of the tournament early in the next season (i.e. in group phase) has been titled OSL curse  thats not like throwing them as in if they are winning all their matches the OSL jsut kicks them out?!?! or is it just a common coincidence that people have named.
OSL is an established, professional competition, they don't arbitrarily decide to remove players from the tournament 
but yeah its been a pretty constant thing throughout OSL history
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oov is had the best dominance
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PvZ is becoming more and more accessible.
Zergs, though, are getting more and more gay.
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Boxer by a long shot.
I walk in the streets, I say starcraft. Many people know boxer. Not so many knows even rA, not to mention bisu or w/e oov...
What boxer did to BW is like Jordan did to Basketball, there really is no comparison.
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On July 29 2007 16:13 evanthebouncy! wrote:
Boxer by a long shot.
I walk in the streets, I say starcraft. Many people know boxer. Not so many knows even rA, not to mention bisu or w/e oov...
What boxer did to BW is like Jordan did to Basketball, there really is no comparison.
If by streets you mean U.S. East, then yes.
But, if you say Bisu, thousands of protoss players will answer back.
;P
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On July 29 2007 15:53 Scorpion wrote:
PvZ is becoming more and more accessible.
Zergs, though, are getting more and more gay.
plz explain how zergs are getting more gay.
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i like savior.. he didn't give a shit about nobody... he just played like he's never played before.. he was a playmachine!!!
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On July 29 2007 16:34 YoUr_KiLLeR wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2007 15:53 Scorpion wrote:
PvZ is becoming more and more accessible.
Zergs, though, are getting more and more gay. plz explain how zergs are getting more gay.
Go on Iccup and find out.
;(
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COME
ON
GUYS
ITS HIM(stats) OR BOXER(sheer glorious play)
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On July 29 2007 18:09 Pressure wrote:COME ON GUYS ITS HIM(stats) OR BOXER(sheer glorious play)
How about both? :D
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On July 29 2007 16:13 evanthebouncy! wrote:
Boxer by a long shot.
I walk in the streets, I say starcraft. Many people know boxer. Not so many knows even rA, not to mention bisu or w/e oov...
What boxer did to BW is like Jordan did to Basketball, there really is no comparison.
Too bad that wasn't the freakin question. Just because boxer is the most famous doesn't mean he was the most dominate.
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On July 29 2007 19:00 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2007 16:13 evanthebouncy! wrote:
Boxer by a long shot.
I walk in the streets, I say starcraft. Many people know boxer. Not so many knows even rA, not to mention bisu or w/e oov...
What boxer did to BW is like Jordan did to Basketball, there really is no comparison. Too bad that wasn't the freakin question. Just because boxer is the most famous doesn't mean he was the most dominate.
It wasn't the question?
Thread's name is ' who reign was most dominate '
Boxer's reign made starcraft. Nobody else's reign can say ' Hey I molded the future of starcraft not only through my gameplay, but through my actions outside the game '
Nobody.
If we focus on in-game domination it's between Oov and Nada. Nada has just conquered more [3osl] so we can give him the title of ' most dominant ' overall but Oov probably gets the title of ' most dominating ' for his reign.
This is a very simple question I don't know why it has taken so many pages. The only real interesting thing is the old history that oldschool sc watchers have said.
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On July 29 2007 13:56 JensOfSweden wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2007 10:32 Locked wrote:On July 29 2007 08:38 JensOfSweden wrote:
True, the dominant races has always been Terran and Zerg. I guess the PvZ matchup is a great struggle for most tosses to be honest and this is a big reason why a toss hasn't been more dominant.
I welcome anyone to prove me wrong. actually it's really mostly just terran (boxer, nada, oov).... and then savior although you could count giyom for protoss but that was mostly before the progaming scene developed zergs have had just as much trouble zvt as tosses have had pvz in championship matches really Well, actually I count July as a dominant force as well, maybe I'm wrong though. And I think clearly ZvT is "easier" than PvZ, because otherwise there is no reason why a toss wouldn't have been more dominant. But yea I agree that many zergs struggle in ZvT as well, especially in important games where even a really good zerg user can be demolished by a mediocre terran. Just look at many of the great tosses; great PvT (this is common), great PvP (often), so-and-so PvZ. PvZ is definately holding them back.
Statistics say otherwise. People are so used to terrans owning the crap out of zergs that it almost seems unnatural when zergs take the win. I know most people's gut feelings' tell them otherwise, but statistically speaking, zergs have a harder time against terrans than tosses do against zergs. Stats say so for the year 2005, 2006 and whaddya know? 2007.
Why do you think no zerg managed to win a major tournament until 2005? Take a looks at the results of all ZvT, PvZ, TvP BO5 and you will see how horribly lopsided ZvT has been during all these years. Or try looking up the stats of what you thought were a "zerg-friendly map" like Arcadia only to find out that terrans actually are ahead. Protoss killing maps like Mercury are notorious but are actually pretty decent balance-wise when compared to zerg killing maps like Ragnarok.
Then why did no protoss dominated like Boxer, Nada, Oov and Savior did? Don't include July here because Nal_Ra has been just as good. July kept his Kespa number 1 ranking because the nobody dominated the starcraft scene in 2005, Nal_Ra had way stiffer competition. The answer is that Savior is actually the first non-terran to dominate the progaming scene and that's why people were in awe. He is a freak of nature in the terran-dominant starcraft scene. Watch Xellos vs Yellow OSL finals 4 years ago. Terrans haven't changed all the much since then, but zergs have evolved by leaps and bounds. Maybe Bisu will follow his steps, who knows? Wait for the protoss monster that'll kill all competition, but please for god's sake stop crying PvZ imba!!! because it's getting old.
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July is pretty significant to Zerg because he was the one that showed how powerful muta harass/cloning could be.
Savior took it a step further with his late game management and now zergs like Jaedong and GGplay are profiting.
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Personal Preference? -_- lol j/k
I'd say Boxer's reign. I can honestly say he isn't my favourite player, but he does have distinct qualities that make him a model candidate. If the word "reign" is defined by: "to be larger in number, quantity, power, status or importance"
Its gotta be Boxer. His winning ratio may not be the highest, the number of OSLs and MSLs won may not be highest either, but his authority and importance to pro-gaming is undeniably remarkable.
You guys already know his accomplishments, how he handpicked oov, .. etc, etc whatever so no need to restate the obvious, but for myself, authority/importance/status matters most, and Boxer is unsurpassed in that area as of yet.
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what's Grrr up to these days, anyway?
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Playing poker and making websites.
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