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On March 03 2021 12:08 Apus wrote:
Have not posted in an extremely long time but have been watching GSL and ASL for years. Please reconsider this decision.
Yes please. I preferred ASL even to GSL 
It's like if the mom in The Good Son dropped Elijah Wood instead of Macaulay Culkin. No but seriously, ASL hurts the most.
I'd love to know what prompted this decision. I hope it's not more of this "people outside of Korea don't like Brood War", because that's a load of shit.
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[QUOTE]On March 05 2021 16:58 TMNT wrote:
[QUOTE]On March 05 2021 16:37 Dante08 wrote:
Imagine the official Spanish cast (lets pretend there's one) is cancelled for example, we wouldn't pay much attention because we've still got Tastosis. [/QUOTE]
We watch it in English, Spanish cast is good but why settle with good when we can have the best. Also, today, almost everyone understands English to the necessary level to watch an English cast. English cast is viewed by every non Korean viewer...
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Sad news TT. I really enjoyed watching the broadcasts. Hopefully they can find a solution that would help and benefit all parties involved.
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Please help me here. I just can't get how this doesn't make sense financially. How much does Tastosis get paid? I mean... Technically, the setup is already there for a Korean cast. So it's just their salary, which Youtube views would pay alone. On the other side, they don't need to promote their crappy website in the foreign world; it is impenetrable for non Koreans, let alone watchable, due to lag, constant buffering, etc. So I can't understand that having 2 guys talking over a game and posting those videos on YouTube can make them lose money.
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Oh, and by the way, I am one of those who has seen every single KSL and ASL game whilst casted by Tastosis. And not a single ASTL game due to no English cast...
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On March 03 2021 11:11 AfreecaTVGlobal wrote:Communities and English casters are still allowed, and encouraged, to broadcast the ASL to their own fans through our clean feed on their AfreecaTV Channels. If you are interested, please contact us here!Thank you, AfreecaTV
I sent them my feelings. Feel free to do to the same, it doesn't require registration. Maybe if they'll see how many ppl are disappointed they might reconsider what they did. At least we can try.
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On March 09 2021 17:59 Zekkezgz wrote:
Please help me here. I just can't get how this doesn't make sense financially. How much does Tastosis get paid? I mean... Technically, the setup is already there for a Korean cast. So it's just their salary, which Youtube views would pay alone. On the other side, they don't need to promote their crappy website in the foreign world; it is impenetrable for non Koreans, let alone watchable, due to lag, constant buffering, etc. So I can't understand that having 2 guys talking over a game and posting those videos on YouTube can make them lose money.
All ASL broadcasts on Youtube make 0 dollars.
Youtube demonetizes/takes down every video that plays copyrighted music.
Also, all ads are sold for AfreecaTV, Youtube is just used as a re-streaming platform.
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On March 03 2021 12:07 GTR wrote:even with the limited amount of time i have these days i would always try my best to watch asl or speed through the vods. guess that means i won't be watching any brood war anymore.
Same for me...
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I used to watch ASL mostly in the background while doing something else, listening to Tastosis talk about what is happening and tabbing in to watch the action but I can't do that with the Korean cast. Don't understand Korean and miss the action because my mind simply tunes out the gibberish in my ear even if they get excited.
Guess I won't be watching BW anymore.
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On March 09 2021 19:25 oxKnu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2021 17:59 Zekkezgz wrote:
Please help me here. I just can't get how this doesn't make sense financially. How much does Tastosis get paid? I mean... Technically, the setup is already there for a Korean cast. So it's just their salary, which Youtube views would pay alone. On the other side, they don't need to promote their crappy website in the foreign world; it is impenetrable for non Koreans, let alone watchable, due to lag, constant buffering, etc. So I can't understand that having 2 guys talking over a game and posting those videos on YouTube can make them lose money. All ASL broadcasts on Youtube make 0 dollars. Youtube demonetizes/takes down every video that plays copyrighted music. Also, all ads are sold for AfreecaTV, Youtube is just used as a re-streaming platform.
How does that make any sense? They are allowed to play all the music they do under Korean copyright law. So youtube fucks them over by applying US copyright law to them?
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On March 09 2021 20:36 Lorch wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2021 19:25 oxKnu wrote:On March 09 2021 17:59 Zekkezgz wrote:
Please help me here. I just can't get how this doesn't make sense financially. How much does Tastosis get paid? I mean... Technically, the setup is already there for a Korean cast. So it's just their salary, which Youtube views would pay alone. On the other side, they don't need to promote their crappy website in the foreign world; it is impenetrable for non Koreans, let alone watchable, due to lag, constant buffering, etc. So I can't understand that having 2 guys talking over a game and posting those videos on YouTube can make them lose money. All ASL broadcasts on Youtube make 0 dollars. Youtube demonetizes/takes down every video that plays copyrighted music. Also, all ads are sold for AfreecaTV, Youtube is just used as a re-streaming platform. How does that make any sense? They are allowed to play all the music they do under Korean copyright law. So youtube fucks them over by applying US copyright law to them?
How does it not make any sense? Youtube is a Google company that operates under specific laws that apply for all of their users unless they choose to offer preferential treatment to some of them.
The copyrighted music thing has been happening on Youtube for very long. There have been very successful channels (far more than Afreeca's) that have been taken down altogether because of this rule.
There are probably thousands of videos of people complaining about this in some form or the other.
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If entity[s] are able to stream the ASL feed while providing commentary and producing content using websites that are not AfreecaTV then this is not the worst thing to happen and could very well end up being a positive for Broodwar.
If AfreecaTV ends up charging exorbitant fees to license, pursue copyright infringement, and actively disincentives foreign community involvement. Then this is not only a very poor business decision if you could call it that, but a terrible announcement.
ASL produced the stream for viewers to watch StarCraft:Broodwar. Viewership was in the hundreds on ASLen but in the thousands on YouTube. Compared to the Korean audience of main ASL with 100k+ and tens of thousands across various restreams. Metrics on this data if available would show a clear trend.
AfreecaTV if they are pursuing a strategy of consolidation would be operating too an extent in their best interests cultivating the scene further in Korea as best they can.
Communities and English casters are still allowed, and encouraged, to broadcast the ASL to their own fans through our clean feed on their AfreecaTV Channels.
This language, particularly "on their AfreecaTV channels" is the spooky part. Depending on how you cast your aspersions moving forward we will find out what this means if anything.
Ideally we get exclusive english restreams with commentary and vods.
Afreeca could do well to build out their platform to exclusively foreigners or make simple improvements that give better functionality than exists currently. Had they done this in the past, surely they could see some marginal gains in their investment? English subtitles? spoTV was on that way before and had active involvement with translation and engagement. Selective advertising, fundraising, merchandise? YouTube exclusive content for english viewers?
Maybe some not all was worth the effort if any so they decided to do nothing, but also it's not as if Korean StarCraft owes us anything; and this announcement goes along way in highlighting this fact.
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On March 09 2021 19:13 outscar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2021 11:11 AfreecaTVGlobal wrote:Communities and English casters are still allowed, and encouraged, to broadcast the ASL to their own fans through our clean feed on their AfreecaTV Channels. If you are interested, please contact us here!Thank you, AfreecaTV I sent them my feelings. Feel free to do to the same, it doesn't require registration. Maybe if they'll see how many ppl are disappointed they might reconsider what they did. At least we can try.
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On March 09 2021 21:30 WaldosLonelyWife wrote:
Ideally we get exclusive english restreams with commentary and vods. Why would that be ideal? Why would you want an English stream to be exclusive? Let anybody who can cast in English cast, not just one person, just like it was in the past and now. Why would you want the future to be restricted?
Anyways, I just watched ASL11 wildcard live at source 1080p, no problem.
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On March 09 2021 21:59 Dangermousecatdog wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2021 21:30 WaldosLonelyWife wrote:
Ideally we get exclusive english restreams with commentary and vods. Why would that be ideal? Why would you want an English stream to be exclusive? Let anybody who can cast in English cast, not just one person, just like it was in the past and now. Why would you want the future to be restricted? Anyways, I just watched ASL11 wildcard live at source 1080p, no problem.
I believe it's fair to say we've been operating under sheer speculation. I don't want an exclusive english stream, I think in terms of business and productivity as well as professionalism it's better to have an exclusive stream on Twitch with the likes of Tastosis for example, but for every person who enjoys Tastosis there are some who don't, others who don't care, and a lot of people who wouldn't be driven to BW without.
Within the context of viewership and production, it's probably the best route? That being said, it's definitely a long-term and higher priority if there is no conflict with anyone being able to stream and produce. I say ideally because we are operating in a fog of war situation, I certainly don't understand what's going to happen and how this business will play out, I'm only speculating but for example in CS:GO restreamers of a major were given copyright infringement notices and temporarily banned because the tournament organizers claimed they owned the broadcasting rights even though they are not the publisher (Valve) and that you can watch the matches in the in-game client.
ASL is in fact just AfreecaStarleauge masquerading as a sponsor that essentially incubates the BroodWar talent pool within it's streaming ecosystem for a game it did not create or have the rights to. I don't want to cast shade on the organization because I do not know all the facts and there is a language and cultural barrier I'm just saying given the fact that StarCraft used to be the premier esport a level of skepticism and caution is warranted not withstanding all the positives of providing a platform for all our favorite and former players to stream, have careers, and compete still.
I personally never had much problem with Afreeca either streaming from the East coast with broadband 100/30 connection, and in-fact having just browsed again I can say they made small but consistent improvements to connectivity and UI. I do know many people say they had and continue to have problems, and it's not helped that they seemingly broke the VLC method a while ago or it doesn't work for me anymore; but again It's hard to tell who "AfreecaTV" is compared to "ASL" unlike let's say KSL and Blizzard or a spotv and Kespa.
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On March 09 2021 23:09 WaldosLonelyWife wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2021 21:59 Dangermousecatdog wrote:On March 09 2021 21:30 WaldosLonelyWife wrote:
Ideally we get exclusive english restreams with commentary and vods. Why would that be ideal? Why would you want an English stream to be exclusive? Let anybody who can cast in English cast, not just one person, just like it was in the past and now. Why would you want the future to be restricted? Anyways, I just watched ASL11 wildcard live at source 1080p, no problem. I believe it's fair to say we've been operating under sheer speculation. I don't want an exclusive english stream, I think in terms of business and productivity as well as professionalism it's better to have an exclusive stream on Twitch with the likes of Tastosis for example, but for every person who enjoys Tastosis there are some who don't, others who don't care, and a lot of people who wouldn't be driven to BW without. Within the context of viewership and production, it's probably the best route? That being said, it's definitely a long-term and higher priority if there is no conflict with anyone being able to stream and produce. I say ideally because we are operating in a fog of war situation, I certainly don't understand what's going to happen and how this business will play out, I'm only speculating but for example in CS:GO restreamers of a major were given copyright infringement notices and temporarily banned because the tournament organizers claimed they owned the broadcasting rights even though they are not the publisher (Valve) and that you can watch the matches in the in-game client. ASL is in fact just AfreecaStarleauge masquerading as a sponsor that essentially incubates the BroodWar talent pool within it's streaming ecosystem for a game it did not create or have the rights to. I don't want to cast shade on the organization because I do not know all the facts and there is a language and cultural barrier I'm just saying given the fact that StarCraft used to be the premier esport a level of skepticism and caution is warranted not withstanding all the positives of providing a platform for all our favorite and former players to stream, have careers, and compete still. I personally never had much problem with Afreeca either streaming from the East coast with broadband 100/30 connection, and in-fact having just browsed again I can say they made small but consistent improvements to connectivity and UI. I do know many people say they had and continue to have problems, and it's not helped that they seemingly broke the VLC method a while ago or it doesn't work for me anymore; but again It's hard to tell who "AfreecaTV" is compared to "ASL" unlike let's say KSL and Blizzard or a spotv and Kespa.
I take you didnt watch BW 2013-2015?
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Having an exclusive english stream would be quite silly. Leaving it open to be casted by anyone who is interested is the best approach.
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On March 10 2021 00:08 whaski wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2021 23:09 WaldosLonelyWife wrote:On March 09 2021 21:59 Dangermousecatdog wrote:On March 09 2021 21:30 WaldosLonelyWife wrote:
Ideally we get exclusive english restreams with commentary and vods. Why would that be ideal? Why would you want an English stream to be exclusive? Let anybody who can cast in English cast, not just one person, just like it was in the past and now. Why would you want the future to be restricted? Anyways, I just watched ASL11 wildcard live at source 1080p, no problem. I believe it's fair to say we've been operating under sheer speculation. I don't want an exclusive english stream, I think in terms of business and productivity as well as professionalism it's better to have an exclusive stream on Twitch with the likes of Tastosis for example, but for every person who enjoys Tastosis there are some who don't, others who don't care, and a lot of people who wouldn't be driven to BW without. Within the context of viewership and production, it's probably the best route? That being said, it's definitely a long-term and higher priority if there is no conflict with anyone being able to stream and produce. I say ideally because we are operating in a fog of war situation, I certainly don't understand what's going to happen and how this business will play out, I'm only speculating but for example in CS:GO restreamers of a major were given copyright infringement notices and temporarily banned because the tournament organizers claimed they owned the broadcasting rights even though they are not the publisher (Valve) and that you can watch the matches in the in-game client. ASL is in fact just AfreecaStarleauge masquerading as a sponsor that essentially incubates the BroodWar talent pool within it's streaming ecosystem for a game it did not create or have the rights to. I don't want to cast shade on the organization because I do not know all the facts and there is a language and cultural barrier I'm just saying given the fact that StarCraft used to be the premier esport a level of skepticism and caution is warranted not withstanding all the positives of providing a platform for all our favorite and former players to stream, have careers, and compete still. I personally never had much problem with Afreeca either streaming from the East coast with broadband 100/30 connection, and in-fact having just browsed again I can say they made small but consistent improvements to connectivity and UI. I do know many people say they had and continue to have problems, and it's not helped that they seemingly broke the VLC method a while ago or it doesn't work for me anymore; but again It's hard to tell who "AfreecaTV" is compared to "ASL" unlike let's say KSL and Blizzard or a spotv and Kespa. I take you didnt watch BW 2013-2015?
Was there much of a BW scene in 2013-2015? At first glance I couldn't answer your question until I look at the Wikipedia history for StarCraft2 Proleague. Hard to believe in retrospect SC2 came out in 2010 and players played both games. "StarCraft II came into place for the 2012 – 2013 season" "OnGameNet stopped broadcasting Proleague starting the 2013 – 2014 season, leaving SPOTVGames as the sole broadcaster for the league" and then Kespa discontinued.
I don't really understand your question? What happened in 2013-2015? I was certainly watching from WoL up until Hots, but around Hots I would say I lost interest in SC2. It's kind of ironic pivoting to SC2 which was unintentional since I don't want to answer your question, but I'll stop rambling to say I always consider BW>SC2 in every way and to clarify I learned of TL probably 07-09, and then got acquainted with the pro scene from there, definitely not an individual who was in on the glory days.
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On March 10 2021 00:53 WaldosLonelyWife wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2021 00:08 whaski wrote:On March 09 2021 23:09 WaldosLonelyWife wrote:On March 09 2021 21:59 Dangermousecatdog wrote:On March 09 2021 21:30 WaldosLonelyWife wrote:
Ideally we get exclusive english restreams with commentary and vods. Why would that be ideal? Why would you want an English stream to be exclusive? Let anybody who can cast in English cast, not just one person, just like it was in the past and now. Why would you want the future to be restricted? Anyways, I just watched ASL11 wildcard live at source 1080p, no problem. I believe it's fair to say we've been operating under sheer speculation. I don't want an exclusive english stream, I think in terms of business and productivity as well as professionalism it's better to have an exclusive stream on Twitch with the likes of Tastosis for example, but for every person who enjoys Tastosis there are some who don't, others who don't care, and a lot of people who wouldn't be driven to BW without. Within the context of viewership and production, it's probably the best route? That being said, it's definitely a long-term and higher priority if there is no conflict with anyone being able to stream and produce. I say ideally because we are operating in a fog of war situation, I certainly don't understand what's going to happen and how this business will play out, I'm only speculating but for example in CS:GO restreamers of a major were given copyright infringement notices and temporarily banned because the tournament organizers claimed they owned the broadcasting rights even though they are not the publisher (Valve) and that you can watch the matches in the in-game client. ASL is in fact just AfreecaStarleauge masquerading as a sponsor that essentially incubates the BroodWar talent pool within it's streaming ecosystem for a game it did not create or have the rights to. I don't want to cast shade on the organization because I do not know all the facts and there is a language and cultural barrier I'm just saying given the fact that StarCraft used to be the premier esport a level of skepticism and caution is warranted not withstanding all the positives of providing a platform for all our favorite and former players to stream, have careers, and compete still. I personally never had much problem with Afreeca either streaming from the East coast with broadband 100/30 connection, and in-fact having just browsed again I can say they made small but consistent improvements to connectivity and UI. I do know many people say they had and continue to have problems, and it's not helped that they seemingly broke the VLC method a while ago or it doesn't work for me anymore; but again It's hard to tell who "AfreecaTV" is compared to "ASL" unlike let's say KSL and Blizzard or a spotv and Kespa. I take you didnt watch BW 2013-2015? Was there much of a BW scene in 2013-2015? At first glance I couldn't answer your question until I look at the Wikipedia history for StarCraft2 Proleague. Hard to believe in retrospect SC2 came out in 2010 and players played both games. "StarCraft II came into place for the 2012 – 2013 season" "OnGameNet stopped broadcasting Proleague starting the 2013 – 2014 season, leaving SPOTVGames as the sole broadcaster for the league" and then Kespa discontinued. I don't really understand your question? What happened in 2013-2015? I was certainly watching from WoL up until Hots, but around Hots I would say I lost interest in SC2. It's kind of ironic pivoting to SC2 which was unintentional since I don't want to answer your question, but I'll stop rambling to say I always consider BW>SC2 in every way and to clarify I learned of TL probably 07-09, and then got acquainted with the pro scene from there, definitely not an individual who was in on the glory days.
Sonic Starleague
Pretty much the core of BW during the "dark age" (aka when blizzard/kespa forced those poor boys to play sc2 and before ASL started)
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On March 10 2021 00:53 WaldosLonelyWife wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2021 00:08 whaski wrote:On March 09 2021 23:09 WaldosLonelyWife wrote:On March 09 2021 21:59 Dangermousecatdog wrote:On March 09 2021 21:30 WaldosLonelyWife wrote:
Ideally we get exclusive english restreams with commentary and vods. Why would that be ideal? Why would you want an English stream to be exclusive? Let anybody who can cast in English cast, not just one person, just like it was in the past and now. Why would you want the future to be restricted? Anyways, I just watched ASL11 wildcard live at source 1080p, no problem. I believe it's fair to say we've been operating under sheer speculation. I don't want an exclusive english stream, I think in terms of business and productivity as well as professionalism it's better to have an exclusive stream on Twitch with the likes of Tastosis for example, but for every person who enjoys Tastosis there are some who don't, others who don't care, and a lot of people who wouldn't be driven to BW without. Within the context of viewership and production, it's probably the best route? That being said, it's definitely a long-term and higher priority if there is no conflict with anyone being able to stream and produce. I say ideally because we are operating in a fog of war situation, I certainly don't understand what's going to happen and how this business will play out, I'm only speculating but for example in CS:GO restreamers of a major were given copyright infringement notices and temporarily banned because the tournament organizers claimed they owned the broadcasting rights even though they are not the publisher (Valve) and that you can watch the matches in the in-game client. ASL is in fact just AfreecaStarleauge masquerading as a sponsor that essentially incubates the BroodWar talent pool within it's streaming ecosystem for a game it did not create or have the rights to. I don't want to cast shade on the organization because I do not know all the facts and there is a language and cultural barrier I'm just saying given the fact that StarCraft used to be the premier esport a level of skepticism and caution is warranted not withstanding all the positives of providing a platform for all our favorite and former players to stream, have careers, and compete still. I personally never had much problem with Afreeca either streaming from the East coast with broadband 100/30 connection, and in-fact having just browsed again I can say they made small but consistent improvements to connectivity and UI. I do know many people say they had and continue to have problems, and it's not helped that they seemingly broke the VLC method a while ago or it doesn't work for me anymore; but again It's hard to tell who "AfreecaTV" is compared to "ASL" unlike let's say KSL and Blizzard or a spotv and Kespa. I take you didnt watch BW 2013-2015? Was there much of a BW scene in 2013-2015? At first glance I couldn't answer your question until I look at the Wikipedia history for StarCraft2 Proleague. Hard to believe in retrospect SC2 came out in 2010 and players played both games. "StarCraft II came into place for the 2012 – 2013 season" "OnGameNet stopped broadcasting Proleague starting the 2013 – 2014 season, leaving SPOTVGames as the sole broadcaster for the league" and then Kespa discontinued. I don't really understand your question? What happened in 2013-2015? I was certainly watching from WoL up until Hots, but around Hots I would say I lost interest in SC2. It's kind of ironic pivoting to SC2 which was unintentional since I don't want to answer your question, but I'll stop rambling to say I always consider BW>SC2 in every way and to clarify I learned of TL probably 07-09, and then got acquainted with the pro scene from there, definitely not an individual who was in on the glory days.
On those days it was luxury even watch ex-pros play. There were a lot of small tourneys that produced awesome games and storylines (Sea vs Killer, return of Bisu, Alphago etc) but for most part we had to use restreams, additional scripts etc to even watch laddergames. In this enviroment Afreeca gave players generous streaming deals (acording likes of Bisu and Sea). Finally VANT starleague started the ASL-era. I just feel that everyone takes this way too far without knowing how there was great scene without english casts or streams. And moreover it should not taken granted. For me it is the players you should be watching but whatever I quess.
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