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welp i guess i will have the same relationship that i once had to astl that i do have to asl...... zero.
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1. You need a license only if your tournament goes over a certain $ value for Brood War, at least. I applied for a license and got it for free by clicking a few buttons. However, Blizzard didn't even bother to respond to me concerning anything else, despite my having organized/helped organize two of the biggest USA BW LANs for BW in over a decade. They just don't give a fuck.
2. Blizzard forces organizations like ASL to pay Blizzard money to run their Brood War tournaments.
3. On the flip side, Blizzard had been propping up SC2 for years with their own money, so it's not even relevant in this discussion. (maybe tangentially if that money is being sourced from BW tho lol, see #5).
4. The reason why some progamers are hesitant to play in tournaments is because they make more money streaming, and when they are preparing for a tournament and trying to hide builds/their practice, they are making less money. If they don't have a chance to win the tournament, there is little incentive to participate. It only makes sense to participate if you think your performance will result in greater viewership/donations in the future than what you lose. It's still about money. Even the players care more about money. And that is honestly the most responsible approach to this.
5. None of this matters because it's ASL that has pulled the plug, not Blizzard, though in theory it could be related (assuming ASL is still paying exorbitant amounts of money to Blizzard to run BW tournaments).
6. Tasteless/Artosis aren't willing to work for free, why should ASL be willing to provide English broadcasts at a loss? If they were making money from it, you better believe that they would still be doing them. But they aren't. This whole "businesses are only interested in profits" argument seems so moronic to me, because it's like, yea? No duh? I'm surprised Blizzard propped up SC2 for as long as it did, for example. Not surprised at all that ASL and their investors/sponsors who run ads on them are not to keen on the additional costs involved with marketing to an audience they can't benefit from.
Just think about it, let's say you have a business and make a product, let's say it's baskets. You spend $1 on the materials and sell them for $21, making $20 profit. Your baskets are really popular in your neighborhood, where delivery is cheap - practically free. However, for whatever reason, your baskets gained a small hardcore following in Angola. To ship your baskets to Angola costs $50. Are you going to ship your baskets to Angola, despite the fact that you are losing $30 for each one? Of course not, because that'd be moronic. Similarly, it is just as moronic to expect a business like ASL to care about the foreign audience when we bring in no notable revenue.
Let's not be childish and think if we dream, pray, whine, beg, etc. hard enough that anything will change. Thinking that ASL will bring back English broadcasts out of some sense of community/charity with a group of people they barely give a fuck about is stupid. Come to think of it, I can't think of anything the foreign audience actually does FOR Afreeca. What have you done for Afreeca besides watch the VODs on YouTube, their competitor? Similarly, don't hold your breath for Blizzard to let go of the BW IP. We'll all be dead and gone long before that. Y'all just sound like a bunch of whiny children who don't understand how the world works. I get it, you're upset. Throw your tantrum and get over it.
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On March 07 2021 09:14 Alejandrisha wrote:
welp i guess i will have the same relationship that i once had to astl that i do have to asl...... zero.
Oh wow guys I wonder why Afreeca doesn't give a fuck about the foreign community??
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On March 07 2021 09:19 Jealous wrote:
1. You need a license only if your tournament goes over a certain $ value for Brood War, at least. I applied for a license and got it for free by clicking a few buttons. However, Blizzard didn't even bother to respond to me concerning anything else, despite my having organized/helped organize two of the biggest USA BW LANs for BW in over a decade. They just don't give a fuck.
2. Blizzard forces organizations like ASL to pay Blizzard money to run their Brood War tournaments.
3. On the flip side, Blizzard had been propping up SC2 for years with their own money, so it's not even relevant in this discussion. (maybe tangentially if that money is being sourced from BW tho lol, see #5).
4. The reason why some progamers are hesitant to play in tournaments is because they make more money streaming, and when they are preparing for a tournament and trying to hide builds/their practice, they are making less money. If they don't have a chance to win the tournament, there is little incentive to participate. It only makes sense to participate if you think your performance will result in greater viewership/donations in the future than what you lose. It's still about money. Even the players care more about money. And that is honestly the most responsible approach to this.
5. None of this matters because it's ASL that has pulled the plug, not Blizzard, though in theory it could be related (assuming ASL is still paying exorbitant amounts of money to Blizzard to run BW tournaments).
6. Tasteless/Artosis aren't willing to work for free, why should ASL be willing to provide English broadcasts at a loss? If they were making money from it, you better believe that they would still be doing them. But they aren't. This whole "businesses are only interested in profits" argument seems so moronic to me, because it's like, yea? No duh? I'm surprised Blizzard propped up SC2 for as long as it did, for example. Not surprised at all that ASL and their investors/sponsors who run ads on them are not to keen on the additional costs involved with marketing to an audience they can't benefit from.
Just think about it, let's say you have a business and make a product, let's say it's baskets. You spend $1 on the materials and sell them for $21, making $20 profit. Your baskets are really popular in your neighborhood, where delivery is cheap - practically free. However, for whatever reason, your baskets gained a small hardcore following in Angola. To ship your baskets to Angola costs $50. Are you going to ship your baskets to Angola, despite the fact that you are losing $30 for each one? Of course not, because that'd be moronic. Similarly, it is just as moronic to expect a business like ASL to care about the foreign audience when we bring in no notable revenue.
Let's not be childish and think if we dream, pray, whine, beg, etc. hard enough that anything will change. Thinking that ASL will bring back English broadcasts out of some sense of community/charity with a group of people they barely give a fuck about is stupid. Come to think of it, I can't think of anything the foreign audience actually does FOR Afreeca. What have you done for Afreeca besides watch the VODs on YouTube, their competitor? Similarly, don't hold your breath for Blizzard to let go of the BW IP. We'll all be dead and gone long before that. Y'all just sound like a bunch of whiny children who don't understand how the world works. I get it, you're upset. Throw your tantrum and get over it.
Negativity and "education" that nobody needed.
Don't underestimate the power of passion. I hope we all backup words with our wallets when the crowdfunding starts.
"Regarding ASL, Tasteless mentioned today on his stream that he and Dan are working on buying the exclusive English broadcasting rights to ASL and producing their own broadcast funded via Patreon."
found on bw reddit 1d ago, can anyone verify? I am hopeful.
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On March 07 2021 12:57 Samsakzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2021 09:19 Jealous wrote:
1. You need a license only if your tournament goes over a certain $ value for Brood War, at least. I applied for a license and got it for free by clicking a few buttons. However, Blizzard didn't even bother to respond to me concerning anything else, despite my having organized/helped organize two of the biggest USA BW LANs for BW in over a decade. They just don't give a fuck.
2. Blizzard forces organizations like ASL to pay Blizzard money to run their Brood War tournaments.
3. On the flip side, Blizzard had been propping up SC2 for years with their own money, so it's not even relevant in this discussion. (maybe tangentially if that money is being sourced from BW tho lol, see #5).
4. The reason why some progamers are hesitant to play in tournaments is because they make more money streaming, and when they are preparing for a tournament and trying to hide builds/their practice, they are making less money. If they don't have a chance to win the tournament, there is little incentive to participate. It only makes sense to participate if you think your performance will result in greater viewership/donations in the future than what you lose. It's still about money. Even the players care more about money. And that is honestly the most responsible approach to this.
5. None of this matters because it's ASL that has pulled the plug, not Blizzard, though in theory it could be related (assuming ASL is still paying exorbitant amounts of money to Blizzard to run BW tournaments).
6. Tasteless/Artosis aren't willing to work for free, why should ASL be willing to provide English broadcasts at a loss? If they were making money from it, you better believe that they would still be doing them. But they aren't. This whole "businesses are only interested in profits" argument seems so moronic to me, because it's like, yea? No duh? I'm surprised Blizzard propped up SC2 for as long as it did, for example. Not surprised at all that ASL and their investors/sponsors who run ads on them are not to keen on the additional costs involved with marketing to an audience they can't benefit from.
Just think about it, let's say you have a business and make a product, let's say it's baskets. You spend $1 on the materials and sell them for $21, making $20 profit. Your baskets are really popular in your neighborhood, where delivery is cheap - practically free. However, for whatever reason, your baskets gained a small hardcore following in Angola. To ship your baskets to Angola costs $50. Are you going to ship your baskets to Angola, despite the fact that you are losing $30 for each one? Of course not, because that'd be moronic. Similarly, it is just as moronic to expect a business like ASL to care about the foreign audience when we bring in no notable revenue.
Let's not be childish and think if we dream, pray, whine, beg, etc. hard enough that anything will change. Thinking that ASL will bring back English broadcasts out of some sense of community/charity with a group of people they barely give a fuck about is stupid. Come to think of it, I can't think of anything the foreign audience actually does FOR Afreeca. What have you done for Afreeca besides watch the VODs on YouTube, their competitor? Similarly, don't hold your breath for Blizzard to let go of the BW IP. We'll all be dead and gone long before that. Y'all just sound like a bunch of whiny children who don't understand how the world works. I get it, you're upset. Throw your tantrum and get over it. Negativity and "education" that nobody needed. Don't underestimate the power of passion. I hope we all backup words with our wallets when the crowdfunding starts. "Regarding ASL, Tasteless mentioned today on his stream that he and Dan are working on buying the exclusive English broadcasting rights to ASL and producing their own broadcast funded via Patreon." found on bw reddit 1d ago, can anyone verify? I am hopeful.
Him: "..despite my having organized/helped organize two of the biggest USA BW LANs for BW in over a decade."
You: "Negativity and "education" that nobody needed. Don't underestimate the power of passion"
Me: (eyeroll)
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On March 07 2021 13:46 chongu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2021 12:57 Samsakzerg wrote:On March 07 2021 09:19 Jealous wrote:
1. You need a license only if your tournament goes over a certain $ value for Brood War, at least. I applied for a license and got it for free by clicking a few buttons. However, Blizzard didn't even bother to respond to me concerning anything else, despite my having organized/helped organize two of the biggest USA BW LANs for BW in over a decade. They just don't give a fuck.
2. Blizzard forces organizations like ASL to pay Blizzard money to run their Brood War tournaments.
3. On the flip side, Blizzard had been propping up SC2 for years with their own money, so it's not even relevant in this discussion. (maybe tangentially if that money is being sourced from BW tho lol, see #5).
4. The reason why some progamers are hesitant to play in tournaments is because they make more money streaming, and when they are preparing for a tournament and trying to hide builds/their practice, they are making less money. If they don't have a chance to win the tournament, there is little incentive to participate. It only makes sense to participate if you think your performance will result in greater viewership/donations in the future than what you lose. It's still about money. Even the players care more about money. And that is honestly the most responsible approach to this.
5. None of this matters because it's ASL that has pulled the plug, not Blizzard, though in theory it could be related (assuming ASL is still paying exorbitant amounts of money to Blizzard to run BW tournaments).
6. Tasteless/Artosis aren't willing to work for free, why should ASL be willing to provide English broadcasts at a loss? If they were making money from it, you better believe that they would still be doing them. But they aren't. This whole "businesses are only interested in profits" argument seems so moronic to me, because it's like, yea? No duh? I'm surprised Blizzard propped up SC2 for as long as it did, for example. Not surprised at all that ASL and their investors/sponsors who run ads on them are not to keen on the additional costs involved with marketing to an audience they can't benefit from.
Just think about it, let's say you have a business and make a product, let's say it's baskets. You spend $1 on the materials and sell them for $21, making $20 profit. Your baskets are really popular in your neighborhood, where delivery is cheap - practically free. However, for whatever reason, your baskets gained a small hardcore following in Angola. To ship your baskets to Angola costs $50. Are you going to ship your baskets to Angola, despite the fact that you are losing $30 for each one? Of course not, because that'd be moronic. Similarly, it is just as moronic to expect a business like ASL to care about the foreign audience when we bring in no notable revenue.
Let's not be childish and think if we dream, pray, whine, beg, etc. hard enough that anything will change. Thinking that ASL will bring back English broadcasts out of some sense of community/charity with a group of people they barely give a fuck about is stupid. Come to think of it, I can't think of anything the foreign audience actually does FOR Afreeca. What have you done for Afreeca besides watch the VODs on YouTube, their competitor? Similarly, don't hold your breath for Blizzard to let go of the BW IP. We'll all be dead and gone long before that. Y'all just sound like a bunch of whiny children who don't understand how the world works. I get it, you're upset. Throw your tantrum and get over it. Negativity and "education" that nobody needed. Don't underestimate the power of passion. I hope we all backup words with our wallets when the crowdfunding starts. "Regarding ASL, Tasteless mentioned today on his stream that he and Dan are working on buying the exclusive English broadcasting rights to ASL and producing their own broadcast funded via Patreon." found on bw reddit 1d ago, can anyone verify? I am hopeful. Him: "..despite my having organized/helped organize two of the biggest USA BW LANs for BW in over a decade." You: "Negativity and "education" that nobody needed. Don't underestimate the power of passion" Me: (eyeroll)
Roll your eyes all you want.
Organising two events is great, appreciate him for it.
Negativity and lame education are still negative and lame though, does not matter whose mouth it comes out of.
Does not help right now.
The speak with wallet is said to the rest of us, wanting ASL Tastosis cast, apologies for the confusion.
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On March 07 2021 13:56 Samsakzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2021 13:46 chongu wrote:On March 07 2021 12:57 Samsakzerg wrote:On March 07 2021 09:19 Jealous wrote:
1. You need a license only if your tournament goes over a certain $ value for Brood War, at least. I applied for a license and got it for free by clicking a few buttons. However, Blizzard didn't even bother to respond to me concerning anything else, despite my having organized/helped organize two of the biggest USA BW LANs for BW in over a decade. They just don't give a fuck.
2. Blizzard forces organizations like ASL to pay Blizzard money to run their Brood War tournaments.
3. On the flip side, Blizzard had been propping up SC2 for years with their own money, so it's not even relevant in this discussion. (maybe tangentially if that money is being sourced from BW tho lol, see #5).
4. The reason why some progamers are hesitant to play in tournaments is because they make more money streaming, and when they are preparing for a tournament and trying to hide builds/their practice, they are making less money. If they don't have a chance to win the tournament, there is little incentive to participate. It only makes sense to participate if you think your performance will result in greater viewership/donations in the future than what you lose. It's still about money. Even the players care more about money. And that is honestly the most responsible approach to this.
5. None of this matters because it's ASL that has pulled the plug, not Blizzard, though in theory it could be related (assuming ASL is still paying exorbitant amounts of money to Blizzard to run BW tournaments).
6. Tasteless/Artosis aren't willing to work for free, why should ASL be willing to provide English broadcasts at a loss? If they were making money from it, you better believe that they would still be doing them. But they aren't. This whole "businesses are only interested in profits" argument seems so moronic to me, because it's like, yea? No duh? I'm surprised Blizzard propped up SC2 for as long as it did, for example. Not surprised at all that ASL and their investors/sponsors who run ads on them are not to keen on the additional costs involved with marketing to an audience they can't benefit from.
Just think about it, let's say you have a business and make a product, let's say it's baskets. You spend $1 on the materials and sell them for $21, making $20 profit. Your baskets are really popular in your neighborhood, where delivery is cheap - practically free. However, for whatever reason, your baskets gained a small hardcore following in Angola. To ship your baskets to Angola costs $50. Are you going to ship your baskets to Angola, despite the fact that you are losing $30 for each one? Of course not, because that'd be moronic. Similarly, it is just as moronic to expect a business like ASL to care about the foreign audience when we bring in no notable revenue.
Let's not be childish and think if we dream, pray, whine, beg, etc. hard enough that anything will change. Thinking that ASL will bring back English broadcasts out of some sense of community/charity with a group of people they barely give a fuck about is stupid. Come to think of it, I can't think of anything the foreign audience actually does FOR Afreeca. What have you done for Afreeca besides watch the VODs on YouTube, their competitor? Similarly, don't hold your breath for Blizzard to let go of the BW IP. We'll all be dead and gone long before that. Y'all just sound like a bunch of whiny children who don't understand how the world works. I get it, you're upset. Throw your tantrum and get over it. Negativity and "education" that nobody needed. Don't underestimate the power of passion. I hope we all backup words with our wallets when the crowdfunding starts. "Regarding ASL, Tasteless mentioned today on his stream that he and Dan are working on buying the exclusive English broadcasting rights to ASL and producing their own broadcast funded via Patreon." found on bw reddit 1d ago, can anyone verify? I am hopeful. Him: "..despite my having organized/helped organize two of the biggest USA BW LANs for BW in over a decade." You: "Negativity and "education" that nobody needed. Don't underestimate the power of passion" Me: (eyeroll) Roll your eyes all you want. Organising two events is great, appreciate him for it.Negativity and lame education are still negative and lame though, does not matter whose mouth it comes out of. Does not help right now. The speak with wallet is said to the rest of us, wanting ASL Tastosis cast, apologies for the confusion.
Was mostly addressing the idealistic approach some posters took on the previous page, as well as some of the misinformation presented therein. I didn't write all of that just for my own amusement. In a way, we are in total agreement - it is money that is important here, not any sense of propriety or community or misguided expectation for ASL or Blizzard to "do the right thing" or some other vague moralistic concept like that.
You keep parroting the same clarion calls in this thread, but I have yet to see you offer anything but lip service.
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On March 07 2021 14:15 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2021 13:56 Samsakzerg wrote:On March 07 2021 13:46 chongu wrote:On March 07 2021 12:57 Samsakzerg wrote:On March 07 2021 09:19 Jealous wrote:
1. You need a license only if your tournament goes over a certain $ value for Brood War, at least. I applied for a license and got it for free by clicking a few buttons. However, Blizzard didn't even bother to respond to me concerning anything else, despite my having organized/helped organize two of the biggest USA BW LANs for BW in over a decade. They just don't give a fuck.
2. Blizzard forces organizations like ASL to pay Blizzard money to run their Brood War tournaments.
3. On the flip side, Blizzard had been propping up SC2 for years with their own money, so it's not even relevant in this discussion. (maybe tangentially if that money is being sourced from BW tho lol, see #5).
4. The reason why some progamers are hesitant to play in tournaments is because they make more money streaming, and when they are preparing for a tournament and trying to hide builds/their practice, they are making less money. If they don't have a chance to win the tournament, there is little incentive to participate. It only makes sense to participate if you think your performance will result in greater viewership/donations in the future than what you lose. It's still about money. Even the players care more about money. And that is honestly the most responsible approach to this.
5. None of this matters because it's ASL that has pulled the plug, not Blizzard, though in theory it could be related (assuming ASL is still paying exorbitant amounts of money to Blizzard to run BW tournaments).
6. Tasteless/Artosis aren't willing to work for free, why should ASL be willing to provide English broadcasts at a loss? If they were making money from it, you better believe that they would still be doing them. But they aren't. This whole "businesses are only interested in profits" argument seems so moronic to me, because it's like, yea? No duh? I'm surprised Blizzard propped up SC2 for as long as it did, for example. Not surprised at all that ASL and their investors/sponsors who run ads on them are not to keen on the additional costs involved with marketing to an audience they can't benefit from.
Just think about it, let's say you have a business and make a product, let's say it's baskets. You spend $1 on the materials and sell them for $21, making $20 profit. Your baskets are really popular in your neighborhood, where delivery is cheap - practically free. However, for whatever reason, your baskets gained a small hardcore following in Angola. To ship your baskets to Angola costs $50. Are you going to ship your baskets to Angola, despite the fact that you are losing $30 for each one? Of course not, because that'd be moronic. Similarly, it is just as moronic to expect a business like ASL to care about the foreign audience when we bring in no notable revenue.
Let's not be childish and think if we dream, pray, whine, beg, etc. hard enough that anything will change. Thinking that ASL will bring back English broadcasts out of some sense of community/charity with a group of people they barely give a fuck about is stupid. Come to think of it, I can't think of anything the foreign audience actually does FOR Afreeca. What have you done for Afreeca besides watch the VODs on YouTube, their competitor? Similarly, don't hold your breath for Blizzard to let go of the BW IP. We'll all be dead and gone long before that. Y'all just sound like a bunch of whiny children who don't understand how the world works. I get it, you're upset. Throw your tantrum and get over it. Negativity and "education" that nobody needed. Don't underestimate the power of passion. I hope we all backup words with our wallets when the crowdfunding starts. "Regarding ASL, Tasteless mentioned today on his stream that he and Dan are working on buying the exclusive English broadcasting rights to ASL and producing their own broadcast funded via Patreon." found on bw reddit 1d ago, can anyone verify? I am hopeful. Him: "..despite my having organized/helped organize two of the biggest USA BW LANs for BW in over a decade." You: "Negativity and "education" that nobody needed. Don't underestimate the power of passion" Me: (eyeroll) Roll your eyes all you want. Organising two events is great, appreciate him for it.Negativity and lame education are still negative and lame though, does not matter whose mouth it comes out of. Does not help right now. The speak with wallet is said to the rest of us, wanting ASL Tastosis cast, apologies for the confusion. Was mostly addressing the idealistic approach some posters took on the previous page, as well as some of the misinformation presented therein. You keep parroting the same clarion calls in this thread, but I have yet to see you offer anything but lip service.
I will CC you in the email when I donate my share 
I am calling on you and some others to stop the negativity and allow people to have a common dream so they see hope.
Why don't you join me on calling people to join the effort instead? Soon, if and when the crowdfunding launches?
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On March 07 2021 14:19 Samsakzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2021 14:15 Jealous wrote:On March 07 2021 13:56 Samsakzerg wrote:On March 07 2021 13:46 chongu wrote:On March 07 2021 12:57 Samsakzerg wrote:On March 07 2021 09:19 Jealous wrote:
1. You need a license only if your tournament goes over a certain $ value for Brood War, at least. I applied for a license and got it for free by clicking a few buttons. However, Blizzard didn't even bother to respond to me concerning anything else, despite my having organized/helped organize two of the biggest USA BW LANs for BW in over a decade. They just don't give a fuck.
2. Blizzard forces organizations like ASL to pay Blizzard money to run their Brood War tournaments.
3. On the flip side, Blizzard had been propping up SC2 for years with their own money, so it's not even relevant in this discussion. (maybe tangentially if that money is being sourced from BW tho lol, see #5).
4. The reason why some progamers are hesitant to play in tournaments is because they make more money streaming, and when they are preparing for a tournament and trying to hide builds/their practice, they are making less money. If they don't have a chance to win the tournament, there is little incentive to participate. It only makes sense to participate if you think your performance will result in greater viewership/donations in the future than what you lose. It's still about money. Even the players care more about money. And that is honestly the most responsible approach to this.
5. None of this matters because it's ASL that has pulled the plug, not Blizzard, though in theory it could be related (assuming ASL is still paying exorbitant amounts of money to Blizzard to run BW tournaments).
6. Tasteless/Artosis aren't willing to work for free, why should ASL be willing to provide English broadcasts at a loss? If they were making money from it, you better believe that they would still be doing them. But they aren't. This whole "businesses are only interested in profits" argument seems so moronic to me, because it's like, yea? No duh? I'm surprised Blizzard propped up SC2 for as long as it did, for example. Not surprised at all that ASL and their investors/sponsors who run ads on them are not to keen on the additional costs involved with marketing to an audience they can't benefit from.
Just think about it, let's say you have a business and make a product, let's say it's baskets. You spend $1 on the materials and sell them for $21, making $20 profit. Your baskets are really popular in your neighborhood, where delivery is cheap - practically free. However, for whatever reason, your baskets gained a small hardcore following in Angola. To ship your baskets to Angola costs $50. Are you going to ship your baskets to Angola, despite the fact that you are losing $30 for each one? Of course not, because that'd be moronic. Similarly, it is just as moronic to expect a business like ASL to care about the foreign audience when we bring in no notable revenue.
Let's not be childish and think if we dream, pray, whine, beg, etc. hard enough that anything will change. Thinking that ASL will bring back English broadcasts out of some sense of community/charity with a group of people they barely give a fuck about is stupid. Come to think of it, I can't think of anything the foreign audience actually does FOR Afreeca. What have you done for Afreeca besides watch the VODs on YouTube, their competitor? Similarly, don't hold your breath for Blizzard to let go of the BW IP. We'll all be dead and gone long before that. Y'all just sound like a bunch of whiny children who don't understand how the world works. I get it, you're upset. Throw your tantrum and get over it. Negativity and "education" that nobody needed. Don't underestimate the power of passion. I hope we all backup words with our wallets when the crowdfunding starts. "Regarding ASL, Tasteless mentioned today on his stream that he and Dan are working on buying the exclusive English broadcasting rights to ASL and producing their own broadcast funded via Patreon." found on bw reddit 1d ago, can anyone verify? I am hopeful. Him: "..despite my having organized/helped organize two of the biggest USA BW LANs for BW in over a decade." You: "Negativity and "education" that nobody needed. Don't underestimate the power of passion" Me: (eyeroll) Roll your eyes all you want. Organising two events is great, appreciate him for it.Negativity and lame education are still negative and lame though, does not matter whose mouth it comes out of. Does not help right now. The speak with wallet is said to the rest of us, wanting ASL Tastosis cast, apologies for the confusion. Was mostly addressing the idealistic approach some posters took on the previous page, as well as some of the misinformation presented therein. You keep parroting the same clarion calls in this thread, but I have yet to see you offer anything but lip service. I will CC you in the email when I donate my share I am calling on you and some others to stop the negativity and allow people to have a common dream so they see hope. Why don't you join me on calling people to join the effort instead? Soon, if and when the crowdfunding launches?
What effort? So far all anyone is doing is just talk talk talk, twiddling their thumbs, waiting for someone to do something. Where is the Patreon? Where is the open letter to Afreeca? Where is the petition? All of the time you've spent hasn't produced anything of the sort. What are you waiting for?
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On March 07 2021 14:24 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2021 14:19 Samsakzerg wrote:On March 07 2021 14:15 Jealous wrote:On March 07 2021 13:56 Samsakzerg wrote:On March 07 2021 13:46 chongu wrote:On March 07 2021 12:57 Samsakzerg wrote:On March 07 2021 09:19 Jealous wrote:
1. You need a license only if your tournament goes over a certain $ value for Brood War, at least. I applied for a license and got it for free by clicking a few buttons. However, Blizzard didn't even bother to respond to me concerning anything else, despite my having organized/helped organize two of the biggest USA BW LANs for BW in over a decade. They just don't give a fuck.
2. Blizzard forces organizations like ASL to pay Blizzard money to run their Brood War tournaments.
3. On the flip side, Blizzard had been propping up SC2 for years with their own money, so it's not even relevant in this discussion. (maybe tangentially if that money is being sourced from BW tho lol, see #5).
4. The reason why some progamers are hesitant to play in tournaments is because they make more money streaming, and when they are preparing for a tournament and trying to hide builds/their practice, they are making less money. If they don't have a chance to win the tournament, there is little incentive to participate. It only makes sense to participate if you think your performance will result in greater viewership/donations in the future than what you lose. It's still about money. Even the players care more about money. And that is honestly the most responsible approach to this.
5. None of this matters because it's ASL that has pulled the plug, not Blizzard, though in theory it could be related (assuming ASL is still paying exorbitant amounts of money to Blizzard to run BW tournaments).
6. Tasteless/Artosis aren't willing to work for free, why should ASL be willing to provide English broadcasts at a loss? If they were making money from it, you better believe that they would still be doing them. But they aren't. This whole "businesses are only interested in profits" argument seems so moronic to me, because it's like, yea? No duh? I'm surprised Blizzard propped up SC2 for as long as it did, for example. Not surprised at all that ASL and their investors/sponsors who run ads on them are not to keen on the additional costs involved with marketing to an audience they can't benefit from.
Just think about it, let's say you have a business and make a product, let's say it's baskets. You spend $1 on the materials and sell them for $21, making $20 profit. Your baskets are really popular in your neighborhood, where delivery is cheap - practically free. However, for whatever reason, your baskets gained a small hardcore following in Angola. To ship your baskets to Angola costs $50. Are you going to ship your baskets to Angola, despite the fact that you are losing $30 for each one? Of course not, because that'd be moronic. Similarly, it is just as moronic to expect a business like ASL to care about the foreign audience when we bring in no notable revenue.
Let's not be childish and think if we dream, pray, whine, beg, etc. hard enough that anything will change. Thinking that ASL will bring back English broadcasts out of some sense of community/charity with a group of people they barely give a fuck about is stupid. Come to think of it, I can't think of anything the foreign audience actually does FOR Afreeca. What have you done for Afreeca besides watch the VODs on YouTube, their competitor? Similarly, don't hold your breath for Blizzard to let go of the BW IP. We'll all be dead and gone long before that. Y'all just sound like a bunch of whiny children who don't understand how the world works. I get it, you're upset. Throw your tantrum and get over it. Negativity and "education" that nobody needed. Don't underestimate the power of passion. I hope we all backup words with our wallets when the crowdfunding starts. "Regarding ASL, Tasteless mentioned today on his stream that he and Dan are working on buying the exclusive English broadcasting rights to ASL and producing their own broadcast funded via Patreon." found on bw reddit 1d ago, can anyone verify? I am hopeful. Him: "..despite my having organized/helped organize two of the biggest USA BW LANs for BW in over a decade." You: "Negativity and "education" that nobody needed. Don't underestimate the power of passion" Me: (eyeroll) Roll your eyes all you want. Organising two events is great, appreciate him for it.Negativity and lame education are still negative and lame though, does not matter whose mouth it comes out of. Does not help right now. The speak with wallet is said to the rest of us, wanting ASL Tastosis cast, apologies for the confusion. Was mostly addressing the idealistic approach some posters took on the previous page, as well as some of the misinformation presented therein. You keep parroting the same clarion calls in this thread, but I have yet to see you offer anything but lip service. I will CC you in the email when I donate my share I am calling on you and some others to stop the negativity and allow people to have a common dream so they see hope. Why don't you join me on calling people to join the effort instead? Soon, if and when the crowdfunding launches? What effort? So far all anyone is doing is just talk talk talk, twiddling their thumbs, waiting for someone to do something. Where is the Patreon? Where is the open letter to Afreeca? Where is the petition? All of the time you've spent hasn't produced anything of the sort. What are you waiting for?
1. Tastosis are organinsing a deal with ASL for broadcast rights according to Reddit, need confirmation on this but Tastless apparently announced it on his stream that discussions are in progress.
first reply below:
https://www.reddit.com/r/broodwar/comments/lyop5f/which_casters_would_you_like_to_see_team_up/
2. All this "talk talk talk" are by fans, creating a buzz, making this relevant. The bigger the buzz is, the more people is drawn to it and the more likely Tastosis or, BW community leaders such as yourself(organiser of 2 events i heard) can harness our collective effort/money hopefully to offer a solution.
3. Try to encourage newcomers, mere fans like myself to contribute, the "do you even know how business runs" is best kept elsewhere.
4. Lets do what's helpful. If Tastosis plans are true and go well, that is our planA, what is planB? It can be an open letter by you to AfreecaTV like you suggested or by another organiser, I will support and sign it. Lets play each of our roles, and this is my open letter to you, from a supporter to an organiser.
Most of us want ASL English to be back, a lot of us want it to be back with Tastosis, and are willing to pay.
I conclude my response to you, hope you do the same in your next comment. Lets not derail the discussion.
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Jealous working overtime to clarify to people they don't need to listen to an English cast to enjoy ASL. A lot of people have said otherwise. It's fine you enjoy the Korean cast, you're probably in the minority.
On March 05 2021 05:09 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2021 04:44 Neneu wrote:On March 05 2021 04:08 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
People being so melodramatic in this thread. If you stop watching BW if tastosis are not casting it, you aren't BW fans. Tastosis fans are what you actually are. What if I stop watching because of not being able to understand the commentary Watch it muted if it bothers you? Throw on some background music? Try to analyze the game yourself, using the information you gained from your dedication to listening to Tastosis? Enjoy the game? The technical issues are certainly a potential problem but they are also clearly not universal for everyone; I wonder why some people have so many problems with it, as it works just fine for me.
Yea, let's watch the game muted. Good fucking idea.
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So Afreeca is weak and small.
We can just take it and restream it and overwhelm them. In some jurisdictions, they will face delays for content removal and in some jurisdictions they have no claims at all.
Restreaming from the Korean source and then adding English will be more sustainable, so that they can't just target one of our streamers and boom down it does.
Tasteless and Artosis will not be able to buy the rights to broadcast on another platform. Never going to happen.
Afreeca doesn't own the rights to broadcast some things inside of korea, let alone outside.
All of the reasonable options will fail. Afreeca is 'going legit'. They have been stealing content for years and years and now they are large enough that they risk of continuing that way is no longer worth it.
Since Afreeca spent ten years stealing music, visuals, bribing creators and creating life and career limiting contracts - it is fitting that at a certain point it just makes more sense to steal their shit then talk to them.
That is where we are.
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I’m largely unfamiliar with Afreeca’s practices, shady or otherwise.
I do know I enjoyed using their platform, technical jankiness aside for the pleasure of watching probably the greatest competitive gamers ever to have lived grind out games, so that was nice. Plus they had first person streams for GSL and ST for a while, something I’ve wanted for absolutely forever since an MLG experimented with it. Dual FPV + commentary is the finest way to watch the game when it’s possible.
Plus how’s the state of SC looking over there without Afreeca money? Don’t see the need to say fuck them and go overboard, although this is regrettable.
Hopefully Tastosis can find a way around it, it’s looking as if they’re trying anyway.
Failing that we’ll get someone else who’ll do a good job, much as I love Tastosis it does sound like a Mexican standoff in terms of Afreeca exclusivity vs Twitch exclusivity and that may be tricky to negotiate.
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On March 08 2021 10:08 WombaT wrote:
Plus they had first person streams for GSL and ST for a while, something I’ve wanted for absolutely forever since an MLG experimented with it.
Just want to let it be known that this was a feature in MBC/OGN during the KeSPA era too I do love me some dual + split screen FPV.
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As much as this sucks, its hard to imagine the Afreeca not losing money on having an English broadcast for ASL. Lets face it, we are a very loyal but very small fanbase that will likely never buy anything in Korea. That's a tough pill to swallow for a Korean broadcaster that's making money off of ads and sponsorships.
I hope ASL reconsiders this and tries out a subscription based option, I would have no problem paying a reasonable price to justify the costs of ASL having an English broadcast. This seemed to work fine for the OGN LCK broadcasts back in the day with Doa and Monte, where they realized it was a small but very dedicated audience so they made a broadcast tailored to people who were into LoL enough and willing to pay 5 bucks a month (and it was the best LoL broadcasting ever imo).
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Afreeca player constantly freezes for me, it's unwatchable.
If Tastosis starts a Patreon to fund their casting, I'll certainly pitch in.
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