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CrazyF1r3f0x
United States2120 Posts
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staatbauhaus
99 Posts
A few pros transitioned into streaming LoL fulltime and a bunch quit streaming all together to go work jobs because they couldn't sustain themselves. There's just not enough money going around to support all the pros let alone foreign castors. | ||
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Kaolla
China2999 Posts
On March 06 2021 02:43 staatbauhaus wrote: Sad news but unfortunately bw is nowhere near as popular as LoL in Korea aka less $$$$ A few pros transitioned into streaming LoL fulltime and a bunch quit streaming all together to go work jobs because they couldn't sustain themselves. There's just not enough money going around to support all the pros let alone foreign castors. Not enough money going around? How do you think these BW pros still stay alive making way more than the avg person? I'd say that is definitely not the problem. | ||
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oxKnu
1240 Posts
On March 06 2021 02:45 Kaolla wrote: Not enough money going around? How do you think these BW pros still stay alive making way more than the avg person? I'd say that is definitely not the problem. Ehhh, I wouldn't be so sure about this. Sure, Flash, Bisu and some of the other pros probably make enough through fan donations and sponsored games but overall that number is too low to call the scene viable for the 30th best BW player in the world for example which is the actual metric that decides if something can be pursued as a full time profession or not. I don't know much about LoL but as a caster you must be licking your lips at the prospect of getting a gig in that space. The E-Sports model of success remains milking whatever 1-2 games are the most popular in your 5-8 year time window and then just moving on to whatever else comes up in popularity. SCII and CS are probably the only examples where they've stayed viable for a very long time. | ||
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CDRdude
United States5625 Posts
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Kaolla
China2999 Posts
On March 06 2021 03:01 oxKnu wrote: Ehhh, I wouldn't be so sure about this. Sure, Flash, Bisu and some of the other pros probably make enough through fan donations and sponsored games but overall that number is too low to call the scene viable for the 30th best BW player in the world for example which is the actual metric that decides if something can be pursued as a full time profession or not. I don't know much about LoL but as a caster you must be licking your lips at the prospect of getting a gig in that space. The E-Sports model of success remains milking whatever 1-2 games are the most popular in your 5-8 year time window and then just moving on to whatever else comes up in popularity. SCII and CS are probably the only examples where they've stayed viable for a very long time. In my opinion that just says the people behind the leagues are not professional enough. I'd say a good system could definitely be made. If they want to make it or not, well that's not in my hands. But just blaming it on lack of support or $$$ seems bs to me. Even the foreign scene (which is infinitely smaller) can do it. Not for full time pros, but they can schedule a tournament which should never be possible which the absolute shit the foreign scene is (and yes, that includes me, I'm not that interested in foreign BW). I feel just looking at the dollars is really the worst thing you can do, because I feel that's not at all where the problem lies. But yea, obviously with other games you could get more of them dollars. | ||
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staatbauhaus
99 Posts
On March 06 2021 02:45 Kaolla wrote: Not enough money going around? How do you think these BW pros still stay alive making way more than the avg person? I'd say that is definitely not the problem. There were pros that were literally making 2000 won/hr before they quit streaming. So yes money does really matter. | ||
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Kaolla
China2999 Posts
On March 06 2021 03:32 staatbauhaus wrote: There were pros that were literally making 2000 won/hr before they quit streaming. So yes money does really matter. Of course money matters, but I feel that's just a result of the scene being unorganized. It's easy to say the money isn't there, but I wonder if that is really the case. I think the money could be (/have been) there if they would've organized everything a bit better. | ||
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oxKnu
1240 Posts
On March 06 2021 03:34 Kaolla wrote: It's easy to say the money isn't there, but I wonder if that is really the case. I think the money could be (/have been) there if they would've organized everything a bit better. Ohh...k. | ||
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Kaolla
China2999 Posts
Thanks for this very useful quote, it's obvious there is a lot of money in the scene (and the views for the Korean leagues seem to be pretty decent), so how come they can't make a proper league that makes money from that? Without an ohhhhh. k. response? If you don't want to respond to that, what point is there in responding to it at all? | ||
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oxKnu
1240 Posts
On March 06 2021 04:00 Kaolla wrote: Thanks for this very useful quote, it's obvious there is a lot of money in the scene (and the views for the Korean leagues seem to be pretty decent), so how come they can't make a proper league that makes money from that? Without an ohhhhh. k. response? If you don't want to respond to that, what point is there in responding to it at all? What money in the scene are you talking about? Money in e-sports comes from sponsors and publishers that invest into an e-sport scene for their games. BW has none of that. It has Afreeca that maintains a series of small tournaments and their online streaming service which most korean BW fans prefer to use to watch pro-gamers play the game. That's it. There are no unclaimed money-bags to be found. Unless you're living in an alternate dimension. Views don't mean anything if they're not backed by healthy ad-revenue. | ||
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XenOsky
Chile2297 Posts
asl is not even that fun of an event to be honest, casual fans like it a lot tho. | ||
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Kaolla
China2999 Posts
On March 06 2021 04:34 oxKnu wrote: What money in the scene are you talking about? Money in e-sports comes from sponsors and publishers that invest into an e-sport scene for their games. BW has none of that. It has Afreeca that maintains a series of small tournaments and their online streaming service which most korean BW fans prefer to use to watch pro-gamers play the game. That's it. There are no unclaimed money-bags to be found. Unless you're living in an alternate dimension. Views don't mean anything if they're not backed by healthy ad-revenue. The money in the scene i'm talking about is that there's still an x number of pros that make a great salary and they are just depending on the game (financially). You think that is just coming from a small amount of people? Or maybe there's still quite a few people interested in the scene. But yea, how do you explain any e-sport making money? I think in most cases it's not the publisher putting that much money in? In many cases sponsors and some sort of crowd-sourcing (battle passes)? Either way, I feel the games we're talking about are the absolute top of the bill, paying millions, that is absolutely not needed to keep this scene alive. It would be great, but the pay the guys get in the most popular games are also somewhat outta control and it's absolutely not needed to maintain a healthy scene. I think the BW scene is very viable and to me the the numbers look pretty good. If smaller tournaments can find sponsors, why can't ASL find any (for their foreign broadcasts)? Of course, there's not millions to be found there, but I feel it could be a scene that sustains itself (and might grow in popularity if promoted a bit, who knows). | ||
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dudeman001
United States2412 Posts
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
On March 05 2021 05:32 Neneu wrote: You did have an idea of how some people are proper BW fans and others are not (only Tastosis fans). Show me those other english casters of ASL. ASL did get cancelled for me. I used to play games on 56kb/s and enjoy it. It doesnt mean that I would enjoy it today. Same way I don't enjoy nor bother with laggy 240p videos with a language I understand nothing of, with no subtitles. Would you continue watching your favourite TV show if it suddenly were only in Norwegian, without subtitles, and were crazy laggy? ASL isn't getting cancelled. You making the conscious decision to not watch ASL is just your refusal to watch it. When you shut your eyes, the world still turns does it not? ASL is carrying on, only without your favourite casters. If you can't be bothered to watch other English casters that's on you, not me. For like the past few ASLs, TL has been featuring alternate English casters. Nyoken and Flashftw were casting if I recall as well as a few other English speaking players. No idea how you missed them. You can check them out yourself on the TL sidebar when ASL 11 starts, same with all the other ASLs. l've been able to watch 720p ASL live, no problems. Just last week I watched the ASTL at 1080p from VOD without problem. I've watched concurrent restreams of ASL on Afreeca from other casters. Geographically Norway is practically next to UK, so I don't know why you have problems. If my favourite TV show tournament was originally 240p Korean with no subtitles, and now I got 720p which is 9 times the pixels, yeah I am damn happy that ASL is keeping BW alive 22 years later. | ||
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staatbauhaus
99 Posts
On March 06 2021 05:28 Kaolla wrote: The money in the scene i'm talking about is that there's still an x number of pros that make a great salary and they are just depending on the game (financially). You think that is just coming from a small amount of people? Or maybe there's still quite a few people interested in the scene. . What is this pot of gold you keep talking about. The top bw earners are not receiving a salary, they receive gifts from fans. And guess what, majority of their gifts come from the same 10 fans on a month to month basis. A fan may gift massive amounts to their favorite streamer and not a single penny to other bw streamers. They are not obligated to evenly distribute donations. | ||
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Crateros
19 Posts
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ggsimida
1148 Posts
On March 06 2021 05:58 staatbauhaus wrote: What is this pot of gold you keep talking about. The top bw earners are not receiving a salary, they receive gifts from fans. And guess what, majority of their gifts come from the same 10 fans on a month to month basis. A fan may gift massive amounts to their favorite streamer and not a single penny to other bw streamers. They are not obligated to evenly distribute donations. hmmm that sounds like a pot of gold to me, albeit a top heavy one. | ||
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staatbauhaus
99 Posts
On March 06 2021 09:06 ggsimida wrote: hmmm that sounds like a pot of gold to me, albeit a top heavy one. yea it sucks that it's so top heavy. Now we have players like calm, sea, terror, britney 815, midas, ruby, horang2, haksu playing full time League of Legends. | ||
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vg162
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