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for starters, this is just a mindstorm topic, a forum user ideeas that can enhance the game further
they may never patch bw, and that is just fine
but if they would patch the game with stuff to further improve the quality of the game, let's find some smart ideeas
this is a fun topic for smart players to brainstorm ideeas, trolls not welcomed, fights over possible imaginary ballance not welcomed
i think the focus should be over abilities to add practical or utility to the game, rather then buffing of nerfing, but out-of-the-box ideeas are also welcomed
like starports can make wraiths while flying :D
i think there are some really great ideeas out there, so let's stack some interesting ones
maybe port some sc2 utility, like spines/spores can reposibion, depos can burrow, reposition photons (like in sc2 alpha?)
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United States9655 Posts
I've always loved this take from Destiny in the SC2 days. Marines have to go back to supply depots to recharge their ammo.
I think dragoons should have a 1/256 chance of randomly walking up a cliff if you move command them up.
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Bisutopia19033 Posts
I think at any time, if you return the zerg unit to the hatchery you got it from, you can transfer it back into an additional larva that will be added to the hatch. Food supply will be refunded upon conversion. Larva cap would still apply.
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Multistory supply depots.
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Terran should start with 5 SCV's, 1 Ghost and 1 Nuke, 2 Nukes in TvP.
On May 09 2020 09:25 FlaShFTW wrote: I've always loved this take from Destiny in the SC2 days. Marines have to go back to supply depots to recharge their ammo.
What? lol
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I think getting rid of unborrow lag could lead to some interesting new tactics, but it would have to be balanced.
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konadora
Singapore66060 Posts
i just wish i can burrow lurkers when grouped with units that have not learned burrow i missed so many burrows because of this lol
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when an ultralisk unburrows it kills what ever units were above it
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In all honesty, I think more features in the UI would be better, such as...
-Clan support (like in SC2) -Automated tournaments ( like in SC2)
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/dance animation for all units
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On May 09 2020 16:38 M3t4PhYzX wrote: 2v2 ladder
This...
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On May 09 2020 15:46 Shock710 wrote: when an ultralisk unburrows it kills what ever units were above it Ultras can burrow? Wow, mind is really blown. I thought they were too big to use this ability but I guess you never know
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France1916 Posts
- When they spawn, have both Zerglings on your hotkeys (instead of just 1 right now) after you added the egg in your control groups.
- Add an option to ask your ladder opponent for a rematch when the game is over.
- Fix SD graphics so they look like they used to.
- Suggestion: A small feature that would be great for team play is the option to randomize the team’s players in the lobby.
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I think making a new expansion would be exciting, adding new tile sets and a few more units/abilities. Same engine.
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Make Depots function like SC2 Depots but on top of that make them work like elevators so you can lift Vultures into enemy bases if you bring an SCV along and build a depot under their cliff.
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make plague slowly infect nearby buildings and units too
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the trolling is so fine, but i'll pass it
how about (custom) 400 Food supply for BHG / Fasterst?
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I like SC2's way of grouping by using the Tab system. It would be nice to just be able to group different units together and just hit tab to use a units specific abilities.
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make it work on windows xp
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On May 10 2020 04:20 TurboDreams wrote: I like SC2's way of grouping by using the Tab system. It would be nice to just be able to group different units together and just hit tab to use a units specific abilities. Would be pretty cool yea, I feel like there is a way to do this aside from Tab, but I am not sure maybe not.
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On May 09 2020 17:20 att wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2020 15:46 Shock710 wrote: when an ultralisk unburrows it kills what ever units were above it Ultras can burrow? Wow, mind is really blown. I thought they were too big to use this ability but I guess you never know
They can't burrow on BW, but they can on SC2 afaik.
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konadora
Singapore66060 Posts
On May 09 2020 16:38 M3t4PhYzX wrote: 2v2 ladder omg this so much..
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On May 09 2020 14:36 konadora wrote:i just wish i can burrow lurkers when grouped with units that have not learned burrow i missed so many burrows because of this lol
If you select the lurkers first, and then group them with whatever units, you will be able to burrow even with the unburrowable units selected
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On May 10 2020 05:23 konadora wrote:omg this so much..
TMA is where it is. The original MOBA.
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United Kingdom12010 Posts
On May 10 2020 04:25 pebble444 wrote: make it work on windows xp
If you're using Windows XP now you're really wishing your PC harm. It's really, really not safe anymore to use. It's broken to hell.
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United States9655 Posts
On May 09 2020 11:11 GGzerG wrote:Terran should start with 5 SCV's, 1 Ghost and 1 Nuke, 2 Nukes in TvP. Show nested quote +On May 09 2020 09:25 FlaShFTW wrote: I've always loved this take from Destiny in the SC2 days. Marines have to go back to supply depots to recharge their ammo. What? lol you can find one of destiny's videos where he was arguing about balance with kyle in the sc2 days and he joked about marines needing to go back to depots to refuel supplies.
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On May 10 2020 13:07 FlaShFTW wrote: in the sc2 days I don't wanna make this a thing but this is a thing that is too true.
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give restoration on medic a large area of effect radius like plague and additional heal bonus over 10 sec
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konadora
Singapore66060 Posts
On May 10 2020 20:07 DeLoAdEr wrote: give restoration on medic a large area of effect radius like plague and additional heal bonus over 10 sec feel like that's too OP though, since a single tier 1 unit spell negates a tier 3 spell that requires unit consume
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mutas costing 125 minerals / 100 gaz (little bit too strong in all 3 matchups). hydralisks costing 70/25. ultralisk upgrades research faster (so more viable lategame to get them)
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On May 10 2020 22:46 att wrote: mutas costing 125 minerals / 100 gaz (little bit too strong in all 3 matchups).
Mutalisks are too strong in all 3 matchups, Especially ZvZ. (Trololol) =P
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On May 09 2020 17:40 HaN- wrote: - Fix SD graphics so they look like they used to.
What changed in SD graphics? I'm ashamed to say I didn't notice.
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On May 11 2020 02:11 diskovision wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2020 17:40 HaN- wrote: - Fix SD graphics so they look like they used to.
What changed in SD graphics? I'm ashamed to say I didn't notice. To me they are just not as crisp.
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Morphing time of archon depends on how much energy the templars have banked [more energy faster morph]
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Archon and dark archon can morph into super archons :p
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Hydralisks do bonus damage to Mutalisks. Whatever change it takes to make Hydras potentially viable in ZvZ.
In general would be fun to see mirror-specific changes to spice things up.
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On May 11 2020 07:07 darktreb wrote: Hydralisks do bonus damage to Mutalisks. Whatever change it takes to make Hydras potentially viable in ZvZ.
In general would be fun to see mirror-specific changes to spice things up. Dark Templar can detect other Dark Templar?
Siege Tanks can't fire upon other Siege Tanks while in Siege mode because of union statutes?
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Just keep making scouts a little bit cheaper until they start getting used. Don't make them so viable that they're an "every game" thing, but it'd be cool if they were at least a "sometimes" thing.
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United Kingdom12010 Posts
On May 11 2020 07:44 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2020 07:07 darktreb wrote: Hydralisks do bonus damage to Mutalisks. Whatever change it takes to make Hydras potentially viable in ZvZ.
In general would be fun to see mirror-specific changes to spice things up. Dark Templar can detect other Dark Templar? Siege Tanks can't fire upon other Siege Tanks while in Siege mode because of union statutes?
Jealous both of those things you suggested are awful and you should feel bad. Don't you dare ruin TvT. DON'T YOU DARE! D:<
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On May 11 2020 08:15 Qikz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2020 07:44 Jealous wrote:On May 11 2020 07:07 darktreb wrote: Hydralisks do bonus damage to Mutalisks. Whatever change it takes to make Hydras potentially viable in ZvZ.
In general would be fun to see mirror-specific changes to spice things up. Dark Templar can detect other Dark Templar? Siege Tanks can't fire upon other Siege Tanks while in Siege mode because of union statutes? Jealous both of those things you suggested are awful and you should feel bad. Don't you dare ruin TvT. DON'T YOU DARE! D:<
Siege tanks should be able to fly: and fire while flying in siege mode also siege mode should be mobile
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United States9655 Posts
On May 10 2020 22:46 att wrote: mutas costing 125 minerals / 100 gaz (little bit too strong in all 3 matchups). hydralisks costing 70/25. ultralisk upgrades research faster (so more viable lategame to get them)
yeah.... no.
good luck protoss, those hydra busts are gonna come even harder now.
Good luck to zergs trying to ever 2h muta again with those mineral nerfs. 5 muta turn into 4 with that proposal. No chance.
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On May 11 2020 08:15 Qikz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2020 07:44 Jealous wrote:On May 11 2020 07:07 darktreb wrote: Hydralisks do bonus damage to Mutalisks. Whatever change it takes to make Hydras potentially viable in ZvZ.
In general would be fun to see mirror-specific changes to spice things up. Dark Templar can detect other Dark Templar? Siege Tanks can't fire upon other Siege Tanks while in Siege mode because of union statutes? Jealous both of those things you suggested are awful and you should feel bad. Don't you dare ruin TvT. DON'T YOU DARE! D:< In TvT, Siege Tanks have to unsiege periodically in accordance to labor laws. The Tank powers down and cannot fire. This should help us with those Marginot lines that stall games out.
EDIT: Also, Turrets no longer spin, you have to decide which direction they can shoot in when you make them. OSHA cannot allow that dude to spin in there indefinitely, it's totally cruel and unusual punishment.
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konadora
Singapore66060 Posts
On May 11 2020 08:09 Last.Midnight wrote: Just keep making scouts a little bit cheaper until they start getting used. Don't make them so viable that they're an "every game" thing, but it'd be cool if they were at least a "sometimes" thing. honestly scouts' upgrades should just be part of the unit already, just come pre-upgraded.
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On May 11 2020 18:11 konadora wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2020 08:09 Last.Midnight wrote: Just keep making scouts a little bit cheaper until they start getting used. Don't make them so viable that they're an "every game" thing, but it'd be cool if they were at least a "sometimes" thing. honestly scouts' upgrades should just be part of the unit already, just come pre-upgraded. Yeah I see nothing wrong with a fully upgraded scout coming out of the stargate when Zerg is at 35 supply
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On May 11 2020 18:23 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2020 18:11 konadora wrote:On May 11 2020 08:09 Last.Midnight wrote: Just keep making scouts a little bit cheaper until they start getting used. Don't make them so viable that they're an "every game" thing, but it'd be cool if they were at least a "sometimes" thing. honestly scouts' upgrades should just be part of the unit already, just come pre-upgraded. Yeah I see nothing wrong with a fully upgraded scout coming out of the stargate when Zerg is at 35 supply It's only fair, because Hydralisks come out basically fully upgraded and dangerous at tier 1.5, and then get two stupidly overpowered upgrades on top of that anyway.
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If hydras did 8 normal damage it would have an interesting effect.
They would be better versus mutas and lings making them more viable in zvz.
They would be weaker versus cannons and dragoons but a bit better versus zealots which would shift their role in zvp.
They would be worse versus mech and wraiths but better versus bio in tvz.
I think it could have an interesting impact. Terrans would probably rely on bio mech or pure mech builds in TvZ and the goliath would become much stronger. Protoss would have less fear of hydra busts but might not be able to accomplish as much with midgame zealots. ZvZ might change, but it might also not be enough of a buff.
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United States9655 Posts
On May 11 2020 11:06 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2020 08:15 Qikz wrote:On May 11 2020 07:44 Jealous wrote:On May 11 2020 07:07 darktreb wrote: Hydralisks do bonus damage to Mutalisks. Whatever change it takes to make Hydras potentially viable in ZvZ.
In general would be fun to see mirror-specific changes to spice things up. Dark Templar can detect other Dark Templar? Siege Tanks can't fire upon other Siege Tanks while in Siege mode because of union statutes? Jealous both of those things you suggested are awful and you should feel bad. Don't you dare ruin TvT. DON'T YOU DARE! D:< In TvT, Siege Tanks have to unsiege periodically in accordance to labor laws. The Tank powers down and cannot fire. This should help us with those Marginot lines that stall games out. EDIT: Also, Turrets no longer spin, you have to decide which direction they can shoot in when you make them. OSHA cannot allow that dude to spin in there indefinitely, it's totally cruel and unusual punishment. Turret direction is hilarious. Maybe you can spend another 25 minerals to change the orientation of the turret. Those muta holes in a terran base just got that much wider.
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On May 12 2020 02:48 FlaShFTW wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2020 11:06 Jealous wrote:On May 11 2020 08:15 Qikz wrote:On May 11 2020 07:44 Jealous wrote:On May 11 2020 07:07 darktreb wrote: Hydralisks do bonus damage to Mutalisks. Whatever change it takes to make Hydras potentially viable in ZvZ.
In general would be fun to see mirror-specific changes to spice things up. Dark Templar can detect other Dark Templar? Siege Tanks can't fire upon other Siege Tanks while in Siege mode because of union statutes? Jealous both of those things you suggested are awful and you should feel bad. Don't you dare ruin TvT. DON'T YOU DARE! D:< In TvT, Siege Tanks have to unsiege periodically in accordance to labor laws. The Tank powers down and cannot fire. This should help us with those Marginot lines that stall games out. EDIT: Also, Turrets no longer spin, you have to decide which direction they can shoot in when you make them. OSHA cannot allow that dude to spin in there indefinitely, it's totally cruel and unusual punishment. Turret direction is hilarious. Maybe you can spend another 25 minerals to change the orientation of the turret. Those muta holes in a terran base just got that much wider. You can research the tech "Scabs" from the Engineering Bay, wherein you can hire low wage workers to replace the current Turret operators who are more willing to be spun endlessly. This will have a base cost of 100 Minerals +10 Minerals for each Turret you own. Turrets will now function as they did before, and cost 10 Minerals less (because labor is cheaper), but because the operators are less experienced the Turrets will miss every 5th shot, with a 1/256 chance of the missiles damaging the Turret itself because it explodes before launch.
EDIT: For every Turret you own, the chance of getting caught by the Confederacy for violating union and labor laws increases by 1/256, and a die is rolled every minute that you operate your Turrets illegally. If you get caught, all of your Turrets stop working until you can pay the legal fees, which are 1000 Minerals.
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Terran vultures, goliaths and siege tanks now spawn with 200/200 energy. Zerg lurkers, guardians and ultralisks now spawn with 200/200 energy. Protoss archons now spawn with 200/200 energy. Protoss dark archons' feedback energy cost increased to 83.
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Germany1297 Posts
On May 09 2020 17:40 HaN- wrote: - When they spawn, have both Zerglings on your hotkeys (instead of just 1 right now) after you added the egg in your control groups.
- Add an option to ask your ladder opponent for a rematch when the game is over.
- Fix SD graphics so they look like they used to.
- Suggestion: A small feature that would be great for team play is the option to randomize the team’s players in the lobby.
instead of random it could be balanced, see here.
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+ Show Spoiler +Jealous Profile Blog PM Joined December 2011 8012 Posts Last Edited: 2020-05-11 14:33:43 9 hours ago #50 On May 12 2020 02:48 FlaShFTW wrote: Show nested quote +
Turret direction is hilarious. Maybe you can spend another 25 minerals to change the orientation of the turret. Those muta holes in a terran base just got that much wider.
You can research the tech "Scabs" from the Engineering Bay, wherein you can hire low wage workers to replace the current Turret operators who are more willing to be spun endlessly. This will have a base cost of 100 Minerals +10 Minerals for each Turret you own. Turrets will now function as they did before, and cost 10 Minerals less (because labor is cheaper), but because the operators are less experienced the Turrets will miss every 5th shot, with a 1/256 chance of the missiles damaging the Turret itself because it explodes before launch.
EDIT: For every Turret you own, the chance of getting caught by the Confederacy for violating union and labor laws increases by 1/256, and a die is rolled every minute that you operate your Turrets illegally. If you get caught, all of your Turrets stop working until you can pay the legal fees, which are 1000 Minerals. I for one am really enjoying Jealous' meticulous attention to Koprulu labor laws; he is truly a man of the people! I also liked the guy whose idea was lifting vultures up opponents' cliffs with supply depots, I wonder what the union president would say about that?
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new research for units to scale cliffs, like reapers in sc2. should break some turtle gamers (6th post in 18 years, must be a record)
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No, fuck all of that! This game is pure chess. Imagine you say let's let pawns walk diagonally or king to move more than one box. There's SC2 for that endless cycle of garbage changes.
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Weapon upgrade for static defense would be nice and it looks like it was intended to be in the game but was scrapped.
Also dark archons should have 50energy teleport so it could be used more and scouts should have the sight upgrade from the start abd lower production time
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On May 12 2020 06:16 skzlime wrote: Terran vultures, goliaths and siege tanks now spawn with 200/200 energy. Zerg lurkers, guardians and ultralisks now spawn with 200/200 energy. Protoss archons now spawn with 200/200 energy. Protoss dark archons' feedback energy cost increased to 83.
Holy shit, skzlime posting on TL! We need to reassemble sas and I demand regular skzlime twitch streams
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On May 09 2020 17:40 HaN- wrote: - When they spawn, have both Zerglings on your hotkeys (instead of just 1 right now) after you added the egg in your control groups.
This.
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France1916 Posts
Reduce the amount of ZvZ on ladder to a minimum.
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The only thing I never enjoyed on Brood War was the lenght of a ZvZ.
Personal preference, kinda got used to enjoy matches on the range of 30 minutes.
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Bisutopia19033 Posts
On May 15 2020 17:12 HaN- wrote: Reduce the amount of ZvZ on ladder to a minimum. How about in ZvZ mutas becomes ground units, glave remains unchanged and can still hit air and ground.
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