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Norway28733 Posts
On March 15 2024 19:12 MeSaber wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 16:25 Liquid`Drone wrote:On March 10 2024 17:51 MeSaber wrote:ban: chrono_return reason: propaganda talk / not playing with the team game: 20240310/093940 Propaganda talk? Fuck nazis? 'Not playing with the team' is also not a reason to ban someone, it's entirely arbitrary, and essentially a skill issue. If someone doesn't play with their team, that will lead to them losing more often -> lead to them getting a worse rank -> now they have better teammates so it balances out. People should be banned for malicious acts/cheating, not for chatting or for playing badly. Imo could raise the standard to behave like a human being and not an animal like this guy. Talking crap all game and by that playing worse because you focus on typing rather than playing. Literally noone want this guy as ally because of this. In a selfhosted game you can ban ppl like this for good reasons, while here you cannot. IE standards should be raised to have a friendly/fun environment without trolls/propaganda ppl. I will keep reporting propaganda because it doesnt belong in a game.
I think 'fuck nazis' is a type of 'propaganda' most people can get behind and I'm totally happy to have someone saying that as my partner. Again, if it's something that causes him to play worse, then it will reduce his rating, which means he will be teamed up with better players -> this balances the game.
It's the same with that other guy. If the guy is better than E, he will win games and move up in rank and no longer be E. I guess if the guy is playing well 50% of the time and deliberately losing 50% of the time that could be an actual issue but in that case what should be presented is a game where he deliberately loses - not one where he plays 'better than his rank indicates'.
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Croatia9527 Posts
On March 15 2024 19:12 MeSaber wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 16:25 Liquid`Drone wrote:On March 10 2024 17:51 MeSaber wrote:ban: chrono_return reason: propaganda talk / not playing with the team game: 20240310/093940 Propaganda talk? Fuck nazis? 'Not playing with the team' is also not a reason to ban someone, it's entirely arbitrary, and essentially a skill issue. If someone doesn't play with their team, that will lead to them losing more often -> lead to them getting a worse rank -> now they have better teammates so it balances out. People should be banned for malicious acts/cheating, not for chatting or for playing badly. Imo could raise the standard to behave like a human being and not an animal like this guy. Talking crap all game and by that playing worse because you focus on typing rather than playing. Literally noone want this guy as ally because of this. In a selfhosted game you can ban ppl like this for good reasons, while here you cannot. IE standards should be raised to have a friendly/fun environment without trolls/propaganda ppl. I will keep reporting propaganda because it doesnt belong in a game.
This you?
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Norway28733 Posts
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On March 15 2024 19:25 Liquid`Drone wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 19:12 MeSaber wrote:On March 15 2024 16:25 Liquid`Drone wrote:On March 10 2024 17:51 MeSaber wrote:ban: chrono_return reason: propaganda talk / not playing with the team game: 20240310/093940 Propaganda talk? Fuck nazis? 'Not playing with the team' is also not a reason to ban someone, it's entirely arbitrary, and essentially a skill issue. If someone doesn't play with their team, that will lead to them losing more often -> lead to them getting a worse rank -> now they have better teammates so it balances out. People should be banned for malicious acts/cheating, not for chatting or for playing badly. Imo could raise the standard to behave like a human being and not an animal like this guy. Talking crap all game and by that playing worse because you focus on typing rather than playing. Literally noone want this guy as ally because of this. In a selfhosted game you can ban ppl like this for good reasons, while here you cannot. IE standards should be raised to have a friendly/fun environment without trolls/propaganda ppl. I will keep reporting propaganda because it doesnt belong in a game. I think 'fuck nazis' is a type of 'propaganda' most people can get behind and I'm totally happy to have someone saying that as my partner. Again, if it's something that causes him to play worse, then it will reduce his rating, which means he will be teamed up with better players -> this balances the game. It's the same with that other guy. If the guy is better than E, he will win games and move up in rank and no longer be E. I guess if the guy is playing well 50% of the time and deliberately losing 50% of the time that could be an actual issue but in that case what should be presented is a game where he deliberately loses - not one where he plays 'better than his rank indicates'.
You are so logical, not like kids here.
I will not have comment if you insisit to ban me😂
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On March 15 2024 19:25 Liquid`Drone wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 19:12 MeSaber wrote:On March 15 2024 16:25 Liquid`Drone wrote:On March 10 2024 17:51 MeSaber wrote:ban: chrono_return reason: propaganda talk / not playing with the team game: 20240310/093940 Propaganda talk? Fuck nazis? 'Not playing with the team' is also not a reason to ban someone, it's entirely arbitrary, and essentially a skill issue. If someone doesn't play with their team, that will lead to them losing more often -> lead to them getting a worse rank -> now they have better teammates so it balances out. People should be banned for malicious acts/cheating, not for chatting or for playing badly. Imo could raise the standard to behave like a human being and not an animal like this guy. Talking crap all game and by that playing worse because you focus on typing rather than playing. Literally noone want this guy as ally because of this. In a selfhosted game you can ban ppl like this for good reasons, while here you cannot. IE standards should be raised to have a friendly/fun environment without trolls/propaganda ppl. I will keep reporting propaganda because it doesnt belong in a game. I think 'fuck nazis' is a type of 'propaganda' most people can get behind and I'm totally happy to have someone saying that as my partner. Again, if it's something that causes him to play worse, then it will reduce his rating, which means he will be teamed up with better players -> this balances the game. It's the same with that other guy. If the guy is better than E, he will win games and move up in rank and no longer be E. I guess if the guy is playing well 50% of the time and deliberately losing 50% of the time that could be an actual issue but in that case what should be presented is a game where he deliberately loses - not one where he plays 'better than his rank indicates'.
Literally no reason to speak like that in a game. He should get an X account if he wanna tell the world.
I dont know why hes E after 400 games, all i know is hes not E and his playstyle/eapm/micro/awareness empirically proves that. He literally smashes B players.
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On March 15 2024 20:43 2Pacalypse- wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 19:12 MeSaber wrote:On March 15 2024 16:25 Liquid`Drone wrote:On March 10 2024 17:51 MeSaber wrote:ban: chrono_return reason: propaganda talk / not playing with the team game: 20240310/093940 Propaganda talk? Fuck nazis? 'Not playing with the team' is also not a reason to ban someone, it's entirely arbitrary, and essentially a skill issue. If someone doesn't play with their team, that will lead to them losing more often -> lead to them getting a worse rank -> now they have better teammates so it balances out. People should be banned for malicious acts/cheating, not for chatting or for playing badly. Imo could raise the standard to behave like a human being and not an animal like this guy. Talking crap all game and by that playing worse because you focus on typing rather than playing. Literally noone want this guy as ally because of this. In a selfhosted game you can ban ppl like this for good reasons, while here you cannot. IE standards should be raised to have a friendly/fun environment without trolls/propaganda ppl. I will keep reporting propaganda because it doesnt belong in a game. This you?
I dont remember what you did (or said) but i probably can watch the replay before that game to know why.
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On March 15 2024 22:27 Liquid`Drone wrote:
That is hilarious.
Whats so hilarious about it? You dont even know the context.
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On March 16 2024 00:37 Che cazzo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 19:25 Liquid`Drone wrote:On March 15 2024 19:12 MeSaber wrote:On March 15 2024 16:25 Liquid`Drone wrote:On March 10 2024 17:51 MeSaber wrote:ban: chrono_return reason: propaganda talk / not playing with the team game: 20240310/093940 Propaganda talk? Fuck nazis? 'Not playing with the team' is also not a reason to ban someone, it's entirely arbitrary, and essentially a skill issue. If someone doesn't play with their team, that will lead to them losing more often -> lead to them getting a worse rank -> now they have better teammates so it balances out. People should be banned for malicious acts/cheating, not for chatting or for playing badly. Imo could raise the standard to behave like a human being and not an animal like this guy. Talking crap all game and by that playing worse because you focus on typing rather than playing. Literally noone want this guy as ally because of this. In a selfhosted game you can ban ppl like this for good reasons, while here you cannot. IE standards should be raised to have a friendly/fun environment without trolls/propaganda ppl. I will keep reporting propaganda because it doesnt belong in a game. I think 'fuck nazis' is a type of 'propaganda' most people can get behind and I'm totally happy to have someone saying that as my partner. Again, if it's something that causes him to play worse, then it will reduce his rating, which means he will be teamed up with better players -> this balances the game. It's the same with that other guy. If the guy is better than E, he will win games and move up in rank and no longer be E. I guess if the guy is playing well 50% of the time and deliberately losing 50% of the time that could be an actual issue but in that case what should be presented is a game where he deliberately loses - not one where he plays 'better than his rank indicates'. You are so logical, not like kids here. I will not have comment if you insisit to ban me😂
Hes not logical at all, hes defending the stupid behaviours because hes biased against me. Personal hate probably but who cares, all i say hes always against, even when its highly illogical.
Bear in mind i rarely see Eriador in MMR anymore but still he feels like his voice matters for it. Dunno what hes trying to defend here. I got logical solutions and reasoning behind my statements and without context they might look odd for sure.
Start play MMR again and enjoy all crazy players and you might see the problems.
All my games are uploaded to repmastered so download those if you wanna find the truth.
The few issues i post about here are only a fraction of games that are problematic, rest i deal with by sighing.
If you choose to ignore the problems instead of addressing them thats up to you. Staying silent rarely fixes anything.
With that said i rarely have issues in SABC for obvious reasons, those are real gamers with no need to express nazi thoughts or 'free the world' mindset in a fucking game, lul.
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On March 15 2024 09:46 Che cazzo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 04:31 exelero44 wrote:On March 15 2024 00:57 GiantAxe wrote:On March 14 2024 00:02 Che cazzo wrote:On March 13 2024 19:53 GiantAxe wrote:
Ban request: lIIlIIIllIIIIl
reason: It's a very low skilled player witch always uses map hack - watch all his replays. He always make drops on the the right one place, without scout or scan.
In addition, from the hack or from the internet connection - very often lags
It's a narcissistic player, you think you're the greatest and the most important, with his cheats. I think a lot of people will be happy if you can put a permanent IP ban on him or ban on his broad war cd key Anyway, thank you for commending me for telling me as "BEST DROP". But you don't need to mention about this, because I already know that I am the best dropper among whole bnet players. Am I so much narcissist? Go on😁, your report means nothing, but just telling that you want to ban me because I drop like pro🤣 You pro? You always ran from every battle, because u make big fail in all melee games. You are just big game runnier, with big EGO and very low skills That is the same gay barcode Dio boia who I report before and he was banned, but now he is with other similar acc. Idk for map hack, but this idiot must be permanently banned from the server. He`s not playin first 10-15 minutes of the game only tank drops on cliffs or reaver drops followed by cariers if he is protoss, but at that time the game usually is over cuse its 2v3 and he never help his teammates. Lag and trash talking every time - I can provide more than 100 replays! My replies to your full of lies: That is the same gay barcode Dio boia who I report before and he was banned, but now he is with other similar acc. Previous account shouldn't be banned for one time report, and will be canceled. Idk for map hack, but this idiot must be permanently banned from the server. Yeah, because I always win you by drops, even though you are concious of me whole the game, making bunch of canons behind minerals He`s not playin first 10-15 minutes of the game only tank drops on cliffs or reaver drops followed by cariers if he is protoss, but at that time the game usually is over cuse its 2v3 and he never help his teammates. My recent game with you few hours ago(game ID: 20240314/171021), I went tank drops and our team won, you left before 10 min after being attacked from my tank drops(AGAIN!! ), total game time 13:45. I started my first tank drop at 6 min. So, what you are saying is totally wrong Lag and trash talking every time - I can provide more than 100 replays! You pretend to be a clean user, but you are also trash talker, I don't talk to you during the game or lobby, but you keep trash talking to me, go on, I don't care but only interested in harrassing you by cliff tank in the game
Its funny how u make for example one game from yesterday, but I can show u 20 replays only from last week and that is when I`m in. I can`t imagine how many are they because u r here 24/7, no matter what time is it u r in, despite your time is so precious - that is your words ! Everybody can get angry when his allies are so bad and say something bad to them, but u start to abuse other team too that is the difference (only if u win, otherwise u r very quiet). And last - if only I`m the one who told u that, ok maybe I had a problem with u, if we r 2 - 3 ok maybe its a coincidence, but is there more reported person than u? I`m just telling that - if u fucking with other players one way or another and after that report them for ban because they don`t want to play with u we have a problem here.
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On February 27 2024 01:10 Dio boia wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2024 00:39 exelero44 wrote:On February 26 2024 18:51 Dio boia wrote:On February 26 2024 17:49 exelero44 wrote:On February 26 2024 05:01 Dio boia wrote:On February 26 2024 04:50 exelero44 wrote:On February 26 2024 04:24 Dio boia wrote:On February 26 2024 04:12 kurrrak wrote:On February 26 2024 00:35 MeSaber wrote:ban: szandreialex reason: leaving game after told not to leave There was bar-code player present on players list, hence szandreialex probably didn't want to play with lag. Sometimes you just leave the game too late not intentionally, it happens for everyone. Especially when there's lag in lobby as well. If leaving like that happens regularly, only then it's the reason (or at least should be) for ban. Your logic is not correct: 1. How can you identify that one is me, but you are saying as me? 2. How do you know why he had left, but talking because of me? 3.Whatever the reason is, szandreialex vaiolated the rule. End of the story. oh we all know that is u and why ppls leave the games when u r in. and again u forget the main rule - NO LAG! its unwritten but bot ban u for that regularly right? If bot bans, fine, then why you keep crying here continuously like kid? Because u r not banned every time and that is a problem for the rest of us, also its time to give u from ur own medicine, we r all just tired of ur sh.ts. If u r innocent there is no need to answer on every post against u, let just administrator to decide that. I totally don't care if you are tired of me or happy about me. Emotional demagoguery like the commies doesn't work for me. Rule of law and freedom, this is the basis of liberal democracy. Stick to the BAN rule, don't try to limit my freedom of expression. buhahahaha "liberal democracy" - another triple vaccinated. here is what happen with 2 lagers in the game a minutes ago https://postimg.cc/xqTsXCc7https://postimg.cc/N9Gx2JfT You are totally a liar. Do you mean kakkione was dropped by lag? Nope. He was at 11 and got attack, none of your team was helping him, so he left with intentional drop. Don't twist the fact, what you say here are full of lies. Don't you feel shame on you?
Here I`ll agree with u this kakkione idiot drop himself intentionally and that is not one time scenario :
https://ibb.co/yyzcdHf
https://ibb.co/FbW26qY
https://ibb.co/Mgktss1
https://ibb.co/JtksKgm
https://ibb.co/2hHXtJt
Is that against the rules - no, did he deserved to be banned - yes! why he wasted our time like that, he is F rank can`t be worst right?
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Norway28733 Posts
On March 16 2024 02:50 MeSaber wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2024 00:37 Che cazzo wrote:On March 15 2024 19:25 Liquid`Drone wrote:On March 15 2024 19:12 MeSaber wrote:On March 15 2024 16:25 Liquid`Drone wrote:On March 10 2024 17:51 MeSaber wrote:ban: chrono_return reason: propaganda talk / not playing with the team game: 20240310/093940 Propaganda talk? Fuck nazis? 'Not playing with the team' is also not a reason to ban someone, it's entirely arbitrary, and essentially a skill issue. If someone doesn't play with their team, that will lead to them losing more often -> lead to them getting a worse rank -> now they have better teammates so it balances out. People should be banned for malicious acts/cheating, not for chatting or for playing badly. Imo could raise the standard to behave like a human being and not an animal like this guy. Talking crap all game and by that playing worse because you focus on typing rather than playing. Literally noone want this guy as ally because of this. In a selfhosted game you can ban ppl like this for good reasons, while here you cannot. IE standards should be raised to have a friendly/fun environment without trolls/propaganda ppl. I will keep reporting propaganda because it doesnt belong in a game. I think 'fuck nazis' is a type of 'propaganda' most people can get behind and I'm totally happy to have someone saying that as my partner. Again, if it's something that causes him to play worse, then it will reduce his rating, which means he will be teamed up with better players -> this balances the game. It's the same with that other guy. If the guy is better than E, he will win games and move up in rank and no longer be E. I guess if the guy is playing well 50% of the time and deliberately losing 50% of the time that could be an actual issue but in that case what should be presented is a game where he deliberately loses - not one where he plays 'better than his rank indicates'. You are so logical, not like kids here. I will not have comment if you insisit to ban me😂 Hes not logical at all, hes defending the stupid behaviours because hes biased against me. Personal hate probably but who cares, all i say hes always against, even when its highly illogical. Bear in mind i rarely see Eriador in MMR anymore but still he feels like his voice matters for it. Dunno what hes trying to defend here. I got logical solutions and reasoning behind my statements and without context they might look odd for sure. Start play MMR again and enjoy all crazy players and you might see the problems. All my games are uploaded to repmastered so download those if you wanna find the truth. The few issues i post about here are only a fraction of games that are problematic, rest i deal with by sighing. If you choose to ignore the problems instead of addressing them thats up to you. Staying silent rarely fixes anything. With that said i rarely have issues in SABC for obvious reasons, those are real gamers with no need to express nazi thoughts or 'free the world' mindset in a fucking game, lul.
I have no bias against you. But I think the stuff you're whining about is stuff that goes way, way, way, way beyond what you can expect the guy running these bots to moderate. He's supposed to watch a bunch of replays from random guys who are complaining that some dude isn't 'playing with his team'? What? That's some ungrateful bullshit man.
You're right that I haven't really played with the bots for a couple years (cause I've hardly played any bw at all), but for a year or two prior to stopping, these games were among the games I enjoyed the most, and I enjoyed them primarily because unlike other public 3v3 bgh games, the games were balanced. That is, the guys who are shitty teammates end up being teamed up with the best players - instead of being on a team together. The guys who spend too much time chatting instead of playing likewise - they end up being teamed with the best players, so the games are balanced.
Also, I don't need context to know that you whining about people being bad manner and chatting and not just focusing on playing the game, while also finding time to call 2pacalypse retarded, is hilarious. 2pac is one of the best players on the ladder and you thinking he's retarded (even if it's just a spur of the moment thing) just confirms the notion that you're absurdly whiny. Anyway: Enjoy the ladder, or don't play it. Report people who do shit like drop hack, attack teammates or intentionally leave, but don't clutter up the thread with whining about people playing badly or chatting a little. My main concern here is that the admin, whose heroic work is much appreciated, grows bored of the complains and stops with the moderation that actually matters, and this is why I think it's important that we don't bother him with stuff that is basically just someone whining about a trifle.
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Croatia9527 Posts
On March 16 2024 02:43 MeSaber wrote:Whats so hilarious about it? You dont even know the context.
Let me give you a hand and provide context. Previous game this happened. Story in 3 parts:
Part 1
Part 2
Part 3
I leave it as an exercise to reader to decide if context makes it less, or in fact more hilarious.
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Ah you mean the wall i do in 99% of games and it works 98% of games. Glad you know so much about my games.
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On March 16 2024 03:49 Liquid`Drone wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2024 02:50 MeSaber wrote:On March 16 2024 00:37 Che cazzo wrote:On March 15 2024 19:25 Liquid`Drone wrote:On March 15 2024 19:12 MeSaber wrote:On March 15 2024 16:25 Liquid`Drone wrote:On March 10 2024 17:51 MeSaber wrote:ban: chrono_return reason: propaganda talk / not playing with the team game: 20240310/093940 Propaganda talk? Fuck nazis? 'Not playing with the team' is also not a reason to ban someone, it's entirely arbitrary, and essentially a skill issue. If someone doesn't play with their team, that will lead to them losing more often -> lead to them getting a worse rank -> now they have better teammates so it balances out. People should be banned for malicious acts/cheating, not for chatting or for playing badly. Imo could raise the standard to behave like a human being and not an animal like this guy. Talking crap all game and by that playing worse because you focus on typing rather than playing. Literally noone want this guy as ally because of this. In a selfhosted game you can ban ppl like this for good reasons, while here you cannot. IE standards should be raised to have a friendly/fun environment without trolls/propaganda ppl. I will keep reporting propaganda because it doesnt belong in a game. I think 'fuck nazis' is a type of 'propaganda' most people can get behind and I'm totally happy to have someone saying that as my partner. Again, if it's something that causes him to play worse, then it will reduce his rating, which means he will be teamed up with better players -> this balances the game. It's the same with that other guy. If the guy is better than E, he will win games and move up in rank and no longer be E. I guess if the guy is playing well 50% of the time and deliberately losing 50% of the time that could be an actual issue but in that case what should be presented is a game where he deliberately loses - not one where he plays 'better than his rank indicates'. You are so logical, not like kids here. I will not have comment if you insisit to ban me😂 Hes not logical at all, hes defending the stupid behaviours because hes biased against me. Personal hate probably but who cares, all i say hes always against, even when its highly illogical. Bear in mind i rarely see Eriador in MMR anymore but still he feels like his voice matters for it. Dunno what hes trying to defend here. I got logical solutions and reasoning behind my statements and without context they might look odd for sure. Start play MMR again and enjoy all crazy players and you might see the problems. All my games are uploaded to repmastered so download those if you wanna find the truth. The few issues i post about here are only a fraction of games that are problematic, rest i deal with by sighing. If you choose to ignore the problems instead of addressing them thats up to you. Staying silent rarely fixes anything. With that said i rarely have issues in SABC for obvious reasons, those are real gamers with no need to express nazi thoughts or 'free the world' mindset in a fucking game, lul. I have no bias against you. But I think the stuff you're whining about is stuff that goes way, way, way, way beyond what you can expect the guy running these bots to moderate. He's supposed to watch a bunch of replays from random guys who are complaining that some dude isn't 'playing with his team'? What? That's some ungrateful bullshit man. You're right that I haven't really played with the bots for a couple years (cause I've hardly played any bw at all), but for a year or two prior to stopping, these games were among the games I enjoyed the most, and I enjoyed them primarily because unlike other public 3v3 bgh games, the games were balanced. That is, the guys who are shitty teammates end up being teamed up with the best players - instead of being on a team together. The guys who spend too much time chatting instead of playing likewise - they end up being teamed with the best players, so the games are balanced. Also, I don't need context to know that you whining about people being bad manner and chatting and not just focusing on playing the game, while also finding time to call 2pacalypse retarded, is hilarious. 2pac is one of the best players on the ladder and you thinking he's retarded (even if it's just a spur of the moment thing) just confirms the notion that you're absurdly whiny. Anyway: Enjoy the ladder, or don't play it. Report people who do shit like drop hack, attack teammates or intentionally leave, but don't clutter up the thread with whining about people playing badly or chatting a little. My main concern here is that the admin, whose heroic work is much appreciated, grows bored of the complains and stops with the moderation that actually matters, and this is why I think it's important that we don't bother him with stuff that is basically just someone whining about a trifle.
Told you, the few cases i put up here are 1% of the games or less where there is utter bullshit behaviour that id like to address. It doesnt take a machine to handle these.
Sadly these cases are 99.9% of the time from non-SABC games, while most of the day there are no SABC games and you have to use the other ones. I dont see a problem removing the problematic users who doesnt care about playing the game but rather do other stuff to annoy/destroy games.
In 99% of my games i do try to win, which i cant say about rest of the users, some are mega trolls and the admin is very clear he wants to keep these dudes around to annoy/destroy as much as possible.
Im ok with being banned if im an annoyance to admin, this game is very close to dying anyway with the few amount of games available and troll users doesnt make it a better experience.
Edit: As for MMR fixing there has been another case of this where a guy named blabla_CDE, deliberately wanted a lower MMR account to join CDE games.
I think its a valid point to raise if this is allowed. And if its NOT allowed how would you combat this if you cant raise concern about specific players.
Edit2: I dunno how 2Pac got 2nd on MMR, he surely is a good player, but i wouldnt say hes better than me, first off he plays mostly Protoss and we all know Protoss is op on BGH. Im currently B with T and can beat 2Pac S P, so MMR really doesnt mean anything. All it means is something funky is going on with the balancing and it somehow favors him the most or hes very picky with whos hes allies. If you play 100 games of random allies you should get a 50% winrate if balancing works properly. Thats not the case for him while i myself is at 50%.
You cant base skill on MMR, same as with the E player im talking about.
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Norway28733 Posts
Naw you'll get 50% unless you're sufficiently good to win a majority of the time even with the most balanced matchup. I don't actually know what my stats are anymore (can't search my account as I haven't played in almost 2 years) but I know that when I was #1 on the ladder it was because I was good enough to win even 156 vs 234 more than 50% of the time, and iirc my win rate was more like 66% over a reasonably big sample size. I also know it dropped a bit eventually. But this is how people get to 3500+; by being good enough to beat the curve balls thrown at you by the bot.
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On March 16 2024 05:33 MeSaber wrote:
All it means is something funky is going on with the balancing and it somehow favors him the most or hes very picky with whos hes allies.
Lmfao
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On March 16 2024 06:30 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Naw you'll get 50% unless you're sufficiently good to win a majority of the time even with the most balanced matchup. I don't actually know what my stats are anymore (can't search my account as I haven't played in almost 2 years) but I know that when I was #1 on the ladder it was because I was good enough to win even 156 vs 234 more than 50% of the time, and iirc my win rate was more like 66% over a reasonably big sample size. I also know it dropped a bit eventually. But this is how people get to 3500+; by being good enough to beat the curve balls thrown at you by the bot.
Thats very odd to say the least because if what you say is true there is really no ceiling on MMR and you win 1v3 (SFF vs AAA) all the time.
Should really be zero chance of winning that but somehow you do anyway. Either the A players are really terrible or you get teamed SFF vs CCC and the C players are clueless.
In either way im sure there isnt a fair game in play because MMR doesnt completely represent your skill. Im for example not a B player but more A and have no issues beating S players.
The S players are good but a bit overrepresented because the MMR has somehow run too far for em. And if you dont have enough B/A players to go around for balancing you have an easy time winning depending on race pick.
Im sure the S players would be fewer if teampicking wasnt allowed but it is what it is and you can manipulate your allies. Also been cases of 'friends' playing good/bad depending if allied or not.
Plenty S players dodging if im in the enemy team and i laugh every time. Its allowed so i dont care, but i still wanna state its a thing.
One other factor i havent mentioned yet is LATENCY. Many of the S players are pretty much koreans or asian-ish lag wise towards EU, meaning you end up with TR16/Xhigh and its terrible. That removes good Z/T play and leaves an S Protoss to a-move with some storms. Really ridiculous.
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Norway28733 Posts
Couple things; 'winning 66% overall even though i frequently got teamed with 56' is obviously different from winning sff vs aaa all the time. And if it was saaaff in the lobby, itd actually end up with saf vs aaf anyway, in which case yes, saf is advantaged (but where we also get fewer points).
Second, theres no hard mmr ceiling, but if you get far ahead of the #2 player on the ladder youll eventually get very few points per win because your team will always be advantaged. But I could picture a bgh flash get to 4500 or whatever.
Third, obviously mmr and skill does not correlate perfectly, shown in particular by the fact that most players will see their mmr fluctuate by at least 300 points. But on average, S players are definitely better than B players. However, indeed, you will end up winning quite often vs S players even if you are a B player, caused by one simple design mechanism: the S players have worse team mates. If you play SSS vs BBB then i would confidently assume we get a 90%+ win rate for SSS.
Fourth, yes, im sure some s players dodge. I never did, but i definitely saw that happen when i played. Would be very surprised if 2pac does, though
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On March 16 2024 03:52 2Pacalypse- wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2024 02:43 MeSaber wrote:On March 15 2024 22:27 Liquid`Drone wrote:
That is hilarious. Whats so hilarious about it? You dont even know the context. Let me give you a hand and provide context. Previous game this happened. Story in 3 parts: Part 1 Part 2 Part 3 I leave it as an exercise to reader to decide if context makes it less, or in fact more hilarious.
Oh my gosh...Even m&m1515 doesn't die like this.
Also marines will definitely come outside at this position.
I guess TR16/Xhigh ruined his Xpert wall plan😂
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On March 16 2024 16:28 Che cazzo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2024 03:52 2Pacalypse- wrote:On March 16 2024 02:43 MeSaber wrote:On March 15 2024 22:27 Liquid`Drone wrote:
That is hilarious. Whats so hilarious about it? You dont even know the context. Let me give you a hand and provide context. Previous game this happened. Story in 3 parts: Part 1 Part 2 Part 3 I leave it as an exercise to reader to decide if context makes it less, or in fact more hilarious. Oh my gosh...Even m&m1515 doesn't die like this. I guess TR16/Xhigh ruined his Xpert wall plan😂
Its just one game dude, ofc im allowed to rage, i have no grudge against anyone. I like playing 2Pac because i know it will be a challenge and he might slightly underrestimate me which makes it more fun.
S players are cool and i really dont care about MMR, the only thing i had a 'beef' with is the E player with Effective APM of over 200 and obvious skill beyond E. Its no big deal whatsoever im just addressing it.
The only time i can see an E player have 200 EAPM is when he comes from another game like SC2 and got all hotkey mechanics down but have no clue what hes doing.
After checking leaderboard hes the only 200+ eapm user up to mid C (1600).
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