There are several threads floating around BW General that are all pertaining to the same topic. Let's keep it all in one thread for the sake of coherence.
On December 04 2017 17:33 Serene_Potato wrote: Translation for OP: How did I meet such a mentally ill person while going overseas to have a little fun (not sure if that’s what his metaphor means). What kind of enjoyment did you get from this, or did you do it for some mentally challenged fans. When I first knew you I thought you got your results through hard work, and I respected that. But now I see that I was completely wrong. Even if you were to nuke me in game I would just laugh it off. Outside the game you act like a clown, this is the difference between you and a 1st place professional player. Trash…
The Incontrol thread at least is a different topic than the Larva stuff, even if it is related. That one shouldn't be locked. In fact, I'm not sure any of them needed to be
Was just about to post in incontrol's thread, but I guess I'll put it here instead:
I didn't catch the event live, and ended up reading most of the reaction/drama threads before looking at the VOD. I thought that the "incontrol is so mad lol"-thing that popped up in that chat every 5 minutes was a meme or something before seeing your response in one of the other threads. It seemed pretty obvious (to me at least) that you were playing the straight man to the funny man of the tastosis duo.
This situation has blown way out of proportion, but anyway, wanted to say that I enjoyed both the games and the casting. Looking forward to seeing more in the future!
Zotac expecting Larva to apologize? My ass after Lx was so butthurt and called him trash and mentally ill. If he wasn't so butthurt about it maybe this drama couldn't even happen. But I'm glad everyone gonna remember how he got demolished and humiliated by Larva.
On December 05 2017 05:13 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: #FreeLarva
The Incontrol thread at least is a different topic than the Larva stuff, even if it is related. That one shouldn't be locked. In fact, I'm not sure any of them needed to be
Yeah, seems weird to close a thread thats basically an official statement from a e-celebrity/caster, etc.
So what incentive does Larva have to apologize if Zotac has already already banned him from future Zotac events? What are they going to do if he doesn't apologize, ban him again?
On December 05 2017 05:20 General Nuke Em wrote: So what incentive does Larva have to apologize if Zotac has already already banned him from future Zotac events? What are they going to do if he doesn't apologize, ban him again?
Decency? Reputation? Maturity? Acting like an adult?
Lx's words were mistranslated. I feel by Chinese standards at least;; "Mentally ill" and things like that are not offensive at all. The way it is written, he is genuine he believes Larva needs medical help.
I want to dislike Zotac for this, but Larva is so manner... He's a crybaby. Even in Korean networks he will trash talk everybody, then cry when someone trash talks him.
Just to expand on what i was saying in Incontrol's thread,
If you know anything about Larva, you know that the guy doesn't take himself seriously and does that kind of stuff in a cheeky/joyful way, not as a mean to humiliate someone he dislikes. He has "disrespected" himself more than anybody, i've seen him impersonating a dragoon in pants, throwing punches at a his his pikachu in the same outfit, breaking his keyboard while screaming, crying on the ground like a baby with the ugliest face you can imagine. He was the laughing stock of the BW scene for a while (years ?), the clown who can't perform in offline events. He got relentlessly crushed by FlaSh, Bisu and the likes on stream forn again, years and yet he didn't give up, kept practicing while being funny and entertaining and finally managed to make it and perform to the big stage (and on top of his showmanship, that's why 90% of the audience was disapointed when he lost to hero).
I would understand the anger about his trolling if he was an arrogant prick, but he's like the opposite, so all this constroversy is pretty ridiculous in my opinion. The goal of his trolling wasn't to humiliate Legend, it was to entertain the audience...
Here's just my thoughts regarding this ordeal as a player at the event :
Larva did nothing wrong.
The skill gap is so large between Korea and the rest of the world that if you want competitive and close games you shouldn't put Koreans vs. Foreigners. This has been demonstrated many times throughout brood war history. Winning against Koreans is so rare that when a foreigner does win against a Korean in tournament the feat makes history and often becomes the crowning achievement of the foreign player.
I was under the impression that this is well understood and that Zotac invited a Korean for the purpose of creating entertaining, but not necessarily competitive matches.
I was wrong, the Zotac guys seemed really convinced before and after the tournament that the games were close and that there is only a small difference in skill between Larva/Korea and everyone else. Combine this with the naming convention of "Showmatch Event" which implies that the primary purpose was entertainment and we get what happened.
(Edit for clarification: This paragraph was just my explanation on how various factors could have contributed to the miscommunication leading up to the Grand Finals. I don't think the first sentence is applicable and after talking more with Zotac I think they knew about the skill difference.)
Larva, myself and other players were under the impression that the invite showmatch was primarily for entertainment. Larva especially had difficulty talking with much of the staff and players at Zotac due to the language barrier. And as shown on the stream the translator had a tendency to translate what was said more nicely and made it milder. Given all of this I'm not surprised that Larva thinks he asked for permission and was okay to mess around and Zotac thinks he didn't.
Larva did his best to show exactly what he thought he was supposed to show at the event. The tournament had ambiguous expectations and it's reasonable to think that a showmatch will or should have showmanship, which is Larva's specialty.
My other thoughts are that outside of games Larva is one of the nicest and most helpful people I've met. Even with a huge language barrier he was happy to try and help me out with my game and even practice with me. I never once saw him say or do anything rude outside of the games and was always very respectful to everyone.
Last tidbit and brag I beat Larva's Terran in a practice game and I just don't know why I play my heart out in practice against Larva then play so sloppily when it actually matters.
Larva has been my favorite streamer for a long time now. He is a good person, a husband, a father, and down to Earth guy. It's very sad to see him receiving all this flak.
The fact of the matter is, no one would have heard about these games or cared if he played straight up. He turned this one sided tournament into one of the most memorable Starcraft events ever.
It's sad how short sighted Zotac and Legend are being. They need to swallow their pride and realize this is nothing but good for the game.
I don't understand why people are arguing that Legend should just "thicken his skin" or something like that. Sure BMing is a part of the competition, but what Larva did (even if he intended it in good faith) can easily be misinterpreted as being incredibly insulting. I don't know what sort of relationship Larva and Legend had beforehand, but assuming the two aren't that close, Larva definitely should have been more aware of the ramifications of his behavior. It's unfortunate that the whole situation blew up, Larva really should reach out to Legend and apologize though (if he hasn't already).
really bothered me how people just call Lx a "crybaby" or for him to "get good"
have you spent part of your life in a team house playing bw trying to be a pro? did you retire and practice hard for a fun comeback/showmatch/tournament only to have your opponent show you no respect to you, for no reason other than for attention? If you put yourself in his shoes, I think you can see why he is mad. What might seem funny to you might not to him, he has every right to and there's nothing wrong with that. His choice of words might be questionable however (shakey translations around) but don't tell him to "get gud".
On December 05 2017 05:27 NickHotS wrote: Larva has been my favorite streamer for a long time now. He is a good person, a husband, a father, and down to Earth guy. It's very sad to see him receiving all this flak.
The fact of the matter is, no one would have heard about these games or cared if he played straight up. He turned this one sided tournament into one of the most memorable Starcraft events ever.
It's sad how short sighted Zotac and Legend are being. They need to swallow their pride and realize this is nothing but good for the game.
Zotac had plenty of viewers and hype before Larva decided to shit on a fellow brood war player, this didnt make the tournament, it undermined it.
Regardless of Larva's rep, this kind of backlash was easily foreseeable, imo. That Larva didn't expect to be banned for what he saw as relatively innocuous shows a lack of consideration. Unfortunate, really, that it went down like this, but at least the tournament is gaining some notoriety
EPT
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