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On December 05 2017 05:35 Dazed. wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2017 05:27 NickHotS wrote:
Larva has been my favorite streamer for a long time now. He is a good person, a husband, a father, and down to Earth guy. It's very sad to see him receiving all this flak.
The fact of the matter is, no one would have heard about these games or cared if he played straight up. He turned this one sided tournament into one of the most memorable Starcraft events ever.
It's sad how short sighted Zotac and Legend are being. They need to swallow their pride and realize this is nothing but good for the game. Zotac had plenty of viewers and hype before Larva decided to shit on a fellow brood war player, this didnt make the tournament, it undermined it.
Wut? If Larva finished this 3-0 in less than 30 min. no one even remembered this series. IIRC stream had 4k viewers (5k max) and most viewers left because they announced last prize code before finals started, also it was like 5-6 morning for EU. Even then everyone was so entertained and it lured viewership. What you said is untrue total BS.
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I think the mindset was massively different- Legend thought this showmatch would be a chance to show how he's been to old fans, Larva obviously thought it would be Comedy Central. Cheers to Zotac for choosing an ambiguous side, but I honestly think that Larva should have displayed common sense and thought "hmm... maybe when my opponent (whom I barely know and is from a different country) is 10 years older than me and is sitting right across from me, maybe I shouldn't stick my foot up in his face"
Again, my opinion
TL:DR
Larva should deffo apologize- if Legend accepts then free him.
If Larva and his defenders keep degrading BW legends for the sake of it, then Larva stops getting my monies
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I think it's fine for chinese fans to be butthurt over the BM, I think it's fine for larva to have done the BM. He shouldn't be banned for it. #FreeLarva
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On December 05 2017 05:39 CognacLover wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2017 05:35 Dazed. wrote:On December 05 2017 05:27 NickHotS wrote:
Larva has been my favorite streamer for a long time now. He is a good person, a husband, a father, and down to Earth guy. It's very sad to see him receiving all this flak.
The fact of the matter is, no one would have heard about these games or cared if he played straight up. He turned this one sided tournament into one of the most memorable Starcraft events ever.
It's sad how short sighted Zotac and Legend are being. They need to swallow their pride and realize this is nothing but good for the game. Zotac had plenty of viewers and hype before Larva decided to shit on a fellow brood war player, this didnt make the tournament, it undermined it. Wut? If Larva finished this 3-0 in less than 30 min. no one even remembered this series. IIRC stream had 4k viewers (5k max) and most viewers left because they announced last prize code before finals started, also it was like 5-6 morning for EU. Even then everyone was so entertained and it lured viewership. What you said is untrue total BS. The amount of viewers and attention it had was more than a success given what it was; if you think a tournament being remembered for Larva being a rude mother fucker, and all the dramatic fall out afterwards qualifies as success, well, you have no idea what a successful tournament is, then. 
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On December 05 2017 05:41 RCCar wrote:I think the mindset was massively different- Legend thought this showmatch would be a chance to show how he's been to old fans, Larva obviously thought it would be Comedy Central. Cheers to Zotac for choosing an ambiguous side, but I honestly think that Larva should have displayed common sense and thought "hmm... maybe when my opponent (whom I barely know and is from a different country) is 10 years older than me and is sitting right across from me, maybe I shouldn't stick my foot up in his face" Again, my opinion
I read your "opinion" but actually Larva offraced and nuked Lx not Draco. I agree with everything but Larva shouldn't apologize.
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On December 05 2017 05:39 CognacLover wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2017 05:35 Dazed. wrote:On December 05 2017 05:27 NickHotS wrote:
Larva has been my favorite streamer for a long time now. He is a good person, a husband, a father, and down to Earth guy. It's very sad to see him receiving all this flak.
The fact of the matter is, no one would have heard about these games or cared if he played straight up. He turned this one sided tournament into one of the most memorable Starcraft events ever.
It's sad how short sighted Zotac and Legend are being. They need to swallow their pride and realize this is nothing but good for the game. Zotac had plenty of viewers and hype before Larva decided to shit on a fellow brood war player, this didnt make the tournament, it undermined it. Wut? If Larva finished this 3-0 in less than 30 min. no one even remembered this series. IIRC stream had 4k viewers (5k max) and most viewers left because they announced last prize code before finals started, also it was like 5-6 morning for EU. Even then everyone was so entertained and it lured viewership.
so the viewers were there for the prizes anyway? And Larva's antics lured viewership how? It didn't blow up until a day later. What you say makes no sense.
ps: what a great reason to remember a series. I'd rather forget it.
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On December 05 2017 05:46 CognacLover wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2017 05:41 RCCar wrote:I think the mindset was massively different- Legend thought this showmatch would be a chance to show how he's been to old fans, Larva obviously thought it would be Comedy Central. Cheers to Zotac for choosing an ambiguous side, but I honestly think that Larva should have displayed common sense and thought "hmm... maybe when my opponent (whom I barely know and is from a different country) is 10 years older than me and is sitting right across from me, maybe I shouldn't stick my foot up in his face" Again, my opinion I read your "opinion" but actually Larva offraced and nuked Lx not Draco. I agree with everything but Larva shouldn't apologize.
in fact, he is off racing Draco and drawing out the game, toying with his food, tank dropping, nuking. A trace of a smile, maybe, plays across Draco’s lips- outclassed, he understands. A ceremony.
I said that it was against Draco;;;
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Other Zotac cups? They consider to repeat this money burning?
Next time maybe invite flash, so he can crush a non korean in 5 minutes 30 without showing emotions. At least the viewers can then again call out "faceless koreans".
On December 05 2017 05:46 Dazed. wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2017 05:39 CognacLover wrote:On December 05 2017 05:35 Dazed. wrote:On December 05 2017 05:27 NickHotS wrote:
Larva has been my favorite streamer for a long time now. He is a good person, a husband, a father, and down to Earth guy. It's very sad to see him receiving all this flak.
The fact of the matter is, no one would have heard about these games or cared if he played straight up. He turned this one sided tournament into one of the most memorable Starcraft events ever.
It's sad how short sighted Zotac and Legend are being. They need to swallow their pride and realize this is nothing but good for the game. Zotac had plenty of viewers and hype before Larva decided to shit on a fellow brood war player, this didnt make the tournament, it undermined it. Wut? If Larva finished this 3-0 in less than 30 min. no one even remembered this series. IIRC stream had 4k viewers (5k max) and most viewers left because they announced last prize code before finals started, also it was like 5-6 morning for EU. Even then everyone was so entertained and it lured viewership. What you said is untrue total BS. The amount of viewers and attention it had was more than a success given what it was; if you think a tournament being remembered for Larva being a rude mother fucker, and all the dramatic fall out afterwards qualifies as success, well, you have no idea what a successful tournament is, then.
A tournament where you have to pay Day9, Artosis, Tasteless,Incontrol, a studio and players' prizemoney and accomodoation might be alot, but it was definitly not a successful tournament with 5k english viewer peak.
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On December 05 2017 05:39 CognacLover wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2017 05:35 Dazed. wrote:On December 05 2017 05:27 NickHotS wrote:
Larva has been my favorite streamer for a long time now. He is a good person, a husband, a father, and down to Earth guy. It's very sad to see him receiving all this flak.
The fact of the matter is, no one would have heard about these games or cared if he played straight up. He turned this one sided tournament into one of the most memorable Starcraft events ever.
It's sad how short sighted Zotac and Legend are being. They need to swallow their pride and realize this is nothing but good for the game. Zotac had plenty of viewers and hype before Larva decided to shit on a fellow brood war player, this didnt make the tournament, it undermined it. Wut? If Larva finished this 3-0 in less than 30 min. no one even remembered this series. IIRC stream had 4k viewers (5k max) and most viewers left because they announced last prize code before finals started, also it was like 5-6 morning for EU. Even then everyone was so entertained and it lured viewership. What you said is untrue total BS.
Sure, and if Larva had pulled out a gun and shot someone, it would have brought even more viewers and publicity. Just because something causes publicity, doesn't make it good for the scene or right.
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On December 05 2017 05:41 RCCar wrote:I think the mindset was massively different- Legend thought this showmatch would be a chance to show how he's been to old fans, Larva obviously thought it would be Comedy Central. Cheers to Zotac for choosing an ambiguous side, but I honestly think that Larva should have displayed common sense and thought "hmm... maybe when my opponent (whom I barely know and is from a different country) is 10 years older than me and is sitting right across from me, maybe I shouldn't stick my foot up in his face" Again, my opinionTL:DR Larva should deffo apologize- if Legend accepts then free him. If Larva and his defenders keep degrading BW legends for the sake of it, then Larva stops getting my monies
Excellently written op ed.
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On December 05 2017 05:48 Clonester wrote:Other Zotac cups? They consider to repeat this money burning? Next time maybe invite flash, so he can crush a non korean in 5 minutes 30 without showing emotions. At least the viewers can then again call out "faceless koreans". Show nested quote +On December 05 2017 05:46 Dazed. wrote:On December 05 2017 05:39 CognacLover wrote:On December 05 2017 05:35 Dazed. wrote:On December 05 2017 05:27 NickHotS wrote:
Larva has been my favorite streamer for a long time now. He is a good person, a husband, a father, and down to Earth guy. It's very sad to see him receiving all this flak.
The fact of the matter is, no one would have heard about these games or cared if he played straight up. He turned this one sided tournament into one of the most memorable Starcraft events ever.
It's sad how short sighted Zotac and Legend are being. They need to swallow their pride and realize this is nothing but good for the game. Zotac had plenty of viewers and hype before Larva decided to shit on a fellow brood war player, this didnt make the tournament, it undermined it. Wut? If Larva finished this 3-0 in less than 30 min. no one even remembered this series. IIRC stream had 4k viewers (5k max) and most viewers left because they announced last prize code before finals started, also it was like 5-6 morning for EU. Even then everyone was so entertained and it lured viewership. What you said is untrue total BS. The amount of viewers and attention it had was more than a success given what it was; if you think a tournament being remembered for Larva being a rude mother fucker, and all the dramatic fall out afterwards qualifies as success, well, you have no idea what a successful tournament is, then. A tournament where you have to pay Day9, Artosis, Tasteless,Incontrol, a studio and players' prizemoney and accomodoation might be alot, but it was definitly not a successful tournament with 5k english viewer peak. It was supposed to be a small time casual tournament, primarily geared towards the foreign fanbase, and of course peak viewership=/=viewership, as we have this thing called vods, you know? This was exactly the size anyone could of realistically expected and wanted. Larva playing with his feet was not.
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#FreeLarva
Dude tried to entertain, he entertained. There's cultural differences here and I respect that, but banning Larva is going to do more harm than good.
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1) Larva footcontrol and bming around was very funny as a standard viewer POV (99% of TL)
2) It was very rude for Lx and the chinese people felt humiliated by his moves, on purpose.
Why can't we all agree on this ? The situation is very simple.
Now how to sort it out: Larva should apologize because his behaviour offended many people and the offended people should try to understand that Larva wasn't aiming at them but just doing his usual routine, the same he's doing 7/7 on his afreaca stream.
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On December 05 2017 05:51 Brutaxilos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2017 05:39 CognacLover wrote:On December 05 2017 05:35 Dazed. wrote:On December 05 2017 05:27 NickHotS wrote:
Larva has been my favorite streamer for a long time now. He is a good person, a husband, a father, and down to Earth guy. It's very sad to see him receiving all this flak.
The fact of the matter is, no one would have heard about these games or cared if he played straight up. He turned this one sided tournament into one of the most memorable Starcraft events ever.
It's sad how short sighted Zotac and Legend are being. They need to swallow their pride and realize this is nothing but good for the game. Zotac had plenty of viewers and hype before Larva decided to shit on a fellow brood war player, this didnt make the tournament, it undermined it. Wut? If Larva finished this 3-0 in less than 30 min. no one even remembered this series. IIRC stream had 4k viewers (5k max) and most viewers left because they announced last prize code before finals started, also it was like 5-6 morning for EU. Even then everyone was so entertained and it lured viewership. What you said is untrue total BS. Sure, and if Larva had pulled out a gun and shot someone, it would have brought even more viewers and publicity. Just because something causes publicity, doesn't make it good for the scene or right.
Of course shooting somebody equals to playing with your feet on keyboard. How braindead ppl on TL nowadays. Was there any fucking rule from organizers that you shouldn't 1) offrace 2) nuke 3) kill your drone 4) play with your feet and etc.? If I was in Larva's place I would just sue the shit out of Zotac just because they banned him for no reason when he didn't crossed any rules. This community is so fake and cancer that you can't take it seriously anymore. I'm sure if there was FlaSh who won in 15 min. you would start shitshow again and called tesagi is real. You're hurting yourselves and your game instead of helping it and growing popularity. That's why SC genre will never reach heights of CS, LoL and DotA.
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On December 05 2017 06:03 CognacLover wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2017 05:51 Brutaxilos wrote:On December 05 2017 05:39 CognacLover wrote:On December 05 2017 05:35 Dazed. wrote:On December 05 2017 05:27 NickHotS wrote:
Larva has been my favorite streamer for a long time now. He is a good person, a husband, a father, and down to Earth guy. It's very sad to see him receiving all this flak.
The fact of the matter is, no one would have heard about these games or cared if he played straight up. He turned this one sided tournament into one of the most memorable Starcraft events ever.
It's sad how short sighted Zotac and Legend are being. They need to swallow their pride and realize this is nothing but good for the game. Zotac had plenty of viewers and hype before Larva decided to shit on a fellow brood war player, this didnt make the tournament, it undermined it. Wut? If Larva finished this 3-0 in less than 30 min. no one even remembered this series. IIRC stream had 4k viewers (5k max) and most viewers left because they announced last prize code before finals started, also it was like 5-6 morning for EU. Even then everyone was so entertained and it lured viewership. What you said is untrue total BS. Sure, and if Larva had pulled out a gun and shot someone, it would have brought even more viewers and publicity. Just because something causes publicity, doesn't make it good for the scene or right. Of course shooting somebody equals to playing with your feet on keyboard. How braindead ppl on TL nowadays. Was there any fucking rule from organizers that you shouldn't 1) offrace 2) nuke 3) kill your drone 4) play with your feet and etc.? If I was in Larva's place I would just sue the shit out of Zotac just because they banned him for no reason when he didn't crossed any rules.
Do the people posting here actually watch the game/ read posts from both sides and try to determine what was actually the problem instead of trying to set up a general aggro?
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On December 05 2017 06:03 ppp87 wrote:
1) Larva footcontrol and bming around was very funny as a standard viewer POV (99% of TL)
2) It was very rude for Lx and the chinese people felt humiliated by his moves, on purpose.
Why can't we all agree on this ? The situation is very simple.
Now how to sort it out: Larva should apologize because his behaviour offended many people and the offended people should try to understand that Larva wasn't aiming at them but just doing his usual routine, the same he's doing 7/7 on his afreaca stream.
I think the off-racing was fine, the nuke was fine, the dancing/killing of his drone was fine, but the foot thing and everything else he did outside of the game that humiliated his opponent was pretty uncalled for. I don't think Larva was trying to humiliate Lx as much as he was trying to entertain the viewers, but that's just what he ended up doing. Humiliating Lx.
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imagine being on a date and the beautiful korean girl across from you just stuck her foot in her soup because you were talking to the waitress about what kind of soju you wanted to order. that's what larva did here..
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On December 05 2017 06:13 Endymion wrote:
imagine being on a date and the beautiful korean girl across from you just stuck her foot in her soup because you were talking to the waitress about what kind of soju you wanted to order. that's what larva did here..
This is extremely my shit.
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Man, TL has gone downhill. The amount of people who think Larva's behavior is acceptable is sad.
If Larva wants to behave like that on his own stream then that's fine. But at a LAN event you should have some respect for your opponent.
I could care less if his antics drew more viewers to the stream, it's still wrong and I hope he realizes this and adjusts his behavior in the future.
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