ZOTAC Larva/Legend Incident Discussion - Page 3

On December 05 2017 06:03 CognacLover wrote:


Of course shooting somebody equals to playing with your feet on keyboard. How braindead ppl on TL nowadays. Was there any fucking rule from organizers that you shouldn't 1) offrace 2) nuke 3) kill your drone 4) play with your feet and etc.? If I was in Larva's place I would just sue the shit out of Zotac just because they banned him for no reason when he didn't crossed any rules. This community is so fake and cancer that you can't take it seriously anymore. I'm sure if there was FlaSh who won in 15 min. you would start shitshow again and called tesagi is real. You're hurting yourselves and your game instead of helping it and growing popularity. That's why SC genre will never reach heights of CS, LoL and DotA.

That's why SC genre will never reach heights of CS, LoL and DotA

On December 05 2017 05:43 synapse wrote:
I think it's fine for chinese fans to be butthurt over the BM, I think it's fine for larva to have done the BM. He shouldn't be banned for it. #FreeLarva

On December 05 2017 06:16 Jonoman92 wrote:
Man, TL has gone downhill. The amount of people who think Larva's behavior is acceptable is sad.

If Larva wants to behave like that on his own stream then that's fine. But at a LAN event you should have some respect for your opponent.

I could care less if his antics drew more viewers to the stream, it's still wrong and I hope he realizes this and adjusts his behavior in the future.

On December 05 2017 06:26 EndingLife wrote:
The REAL question is, what would incontrol do if larva did the foot thing to him? :D

On December 05 2017 06:21 Dazed. wrote:
An analogy doesnt have to share every trait with the thing its compared to, in degree or form, it just has to have at least one point of valid comparison, i.e the very thing being compared in the analogy. In this case, shooting someone would be bad for the scene, and playing with your feet on the keyboard would be bad for the scene-- so yes, they are comparable, in that way. Which is the way he compared them.

A tournament doesnt have to directly rule out all the various possibilities in which someone could possibly go against basic social norms or the spirit of competition, how could they, anyways? Crossing the line should be pretty self evident, hes a fucking adult. Everyone there was an adult. Larva cant socially determine theres a difference between him doing antics privately on his own stream, to random ladder opponents, and him fucking with a guy in person, in a third party tournament? Puhlease.

LMFAO WTF? Broodwar will never be popular BECAUSE BROODWAR PLAYERS WANT PEOPLE TO BE POLITE!!!

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On December 05 2017 05:22 Dazed. wrote:
Decency? Reputation? Maturity? Acting like an adult?

On December 05 2017 05:24 Hawk2 wrote:
And from the tournament thread here's just my thoughts regarding this ordeal as a player at the event :

Larva did nothing wrong.

The skill gap is so large between Korea and the rest of the world that if you want competitive and close games you shouldn't put Koreans vs. Foreigners. This has been demonstrated many times throughout brood war history. Winning against Koreans is so rare that when a foreigner does win against a Korean in tournament the feat makes history and often becomes the crowning achievement of the foreign player.

I was under the impression that this is well understood and that Zotac invited a Korean for the purpose of creating entertaining, but not necessarily competitive matches.

I was wrong, the Zotac guys seemed really convinced before and after the tournament that the games were close and that there is only a small difference in skill between Larva/Korea and everyone else. Combine this with the naming convention of "Showmatch Event" which implies that the primary purpose was entertainment and we get what happened.

Larva, myself and other players were under the impression that the invite showmatch was primarily for entertainment. Larva especially had difficulty talking with much of the staff and players at Zotac due to the language barrier. And as shown on the stream the translator had a tendency to translate what was said more nicely and made it milder. Given all of this I'm not surprised that Larva thinks he asked for permission and was okay to mess around and Zotac thinks he didn't.

Larva did his best to show exactly what he thought he was supposed to show at the event. The tournament had ambiguous expectations and it's reasonable to think that a showmatch will or should have showmanship, which is Larva's specialty.

My other thoughts are that outside of games Larva is one of the nicest and most helpful people I've met. Even with a huge language barrier he was happy to try and help me out with my game and even practice with me. I never once saw him say or do anything rude outside of the games and was always very respectful to everyone.

Last tidbit and brag I beat Larva's Terran in a practice game and I just don't know why I play my heart out in practice against Larva then play so sloppily when it actually matters.

Replay below

https://www.mediafire.com/file/1l9tlc8bzmub2mp/Hawk_vs_Larva_ZvT.rep

On December 05 2017 06:36 nurle wrote:
This is ridiculous. Did Larva break any rules? No, then dont f'ing ban him. Did he BM too much? Maybe...who cares(we all thought it was hilarious) Could he apologize to Legend for it? Sure..Though he doesn't need to really.... I did cheer a bit for legend when Larva started trolling that much, but his replies after the event makes me think hes an ass..