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Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
December 04 2017 23:55 GMT
#81
because it's lost in translation? it's explained pretty clearly in the post you quoted, the meaning is closer to 'idiot' than 'mentally retarded'

fish_radio is saying that lx's post is poorly translated and the translation makes it sound like lx is calling larva a literal retard
noname_
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
457 Posts
December 04 2017 23:58 GMT
#82
Guess what, the two are the same (to a great degree...).
chuDr3t4
Profile Joined April 2010
Russian Federation484 Posts
December 05 2017 00:02 GMT
#83
This is the best PR starcraft got in a while... that foot clip has 700k views and gaining about 50k/hour as I write this.
I live in Russia. I wear the fufaika, valenoks and the shapka-ushanka with the red star. I drink vodka straight from the samovar, and my riding bear plays on the balalaika.
HaFnium
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United Kingdom1074 Posts
December 05 2017 00:12 GMT
#84
I'm no native speaker myself but would use "idiot" in this context.
BW forever!
JacktheTerr
Profile Blog Joined November 2016
United States97 Posts
December 05 2017 00:16 GMT
#85
why are yall acting like this is worse than Sea?
It's hard to stay sucker free in a world full of lollipops.
blunderfulguy
Profile Blog Joined April 2016
United States1415 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-05 00:16:52
December 05 2017 00:16 GMT
#86
So, calling somebody an "idiot" in this situation is totally fine, then? Ya learn something every day... sad that it usually isn't what I hope to learn.
Blunder Man doing everything thing a blunder can.
Brutaxilos
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2629 Posts
December 05 2017 00:21 GMT
#87
On December 05 2017 09:16 blunderfulguy wrote:
So, calling somebody an "idiot" in this situation is totally fine, then?

Given what Larva did to Legend, yes. Calling him "mentally retarded" is a bit much, but calling him an "idiot" is perfectly acceptable for the situation.
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Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
December 05 2017 00:26 GMT
#88
blunderful you realize that youre tying to take offense at the phrasing of a comment in a language that you dont understand
tanngard
Profile Joined April 2011
Norway1325 Posts
December 05 2017 00:41 GMT
#89
I understand that Legend feels that Larva disrespected him. He was there in a completely foreign country as a guest and as someone representing China (former pride of BW-China) and himself as someone with a respected career in this game. Its one thing to BM someone who you know or have some history with (good or bad), but this kind of behaviour from Larva was just bad judgement from him. People blindly defending Larva here should try and imagine how it would have felt for Legend and his chinese fans to watch those events. Is this how you would have liked to be treated as guest? As someone representing a certain set of pride of a nation related to a given sport? To be represented that way for a foreign audience? Again, trolling someone can be fun, but there are social contexts to decide when its okay and when it isnt.

People talking about how it was ok because it being a showmatch, need to understand that unspoken rules of social decensy dont get thrown out of the window just because you are playing games titled "showmatch". I dont know what Larva was thinking, maybe he thought that he got invited also because for his crazy antics while streaming and that his foreign fans wanted him to deliver on that, but clearly Legend had different expectations than to be just remembered as the guy at the other end of Larva's jokes.

I dont think necessarily there was any bad intent from Larva and therefore i dont think that a ban, but a warning with a request for an apology should be a more warranted.

Lastly i would say its easy to be smart in hindsight. I was not sure how to react during the games. I didnt like it that much, but then again it was also a bit funny (just for the absurdity in it). But when thinking about it afterwards (and how it felt for the people offended) i have come to the conclusion you see above.
Songleyun
Profile Joined May 2013
China1 Post
December 05 2017 00:54 GMT
#90
Fuck you larva

User was temp banned for this post.
Qingdao
RagequitBM
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada2270 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-05 01:17:42
December 05 2017 01:11 GMT
#91
Shocked that people can be mad at Larva for this. It was a showmatch.

When I go out and play basketball and I notice the guy is a lot worse than me, hell yeah I'm gonna mess with him and make him look like a fool. Just like he would make me look like a fool if the situation was reversed. That's half the fun of competition.

I really think people are just taking life and starcraft too seriously.

edit: I see a lot of people saying they wouldn't have minded as much if he did troll builds. How is that any different? Both of them are for the sole purpose of making your opponent look like a goof for the viewers benefit.

It's either that, or with how easy Larva made this look, he could have played standard and ended every game within 7 minutes. That would have been such a bore.
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404AlphaSquad
Profile Joined October 2011
839 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-05 01:26:00
December 05 2017 01:25 GMT
#92
I don't really see the big deal. Behaving in condescending ways and shaming your opponents for their lack of skill, whether its in-game or in person, is part of BW culture. A simple YT search, even from Kespa players would confirm this.
aka Kalevi
s_k_911
Profile Joined August 2008
China361 Posts
December 05 2017 01:34 GMT
#93
Imaging next event : larva's foot vs Midas or Nada (same age and pro time as Legend)

So many guy say"free larva".This is a shame on sc community.

Legend told his friend he didnot know what happened during the match.But as soon as his friend told him larva play with foot agaist him, Legend was root at this seat 30mins and did nothing.

This was definitely not what he expect.
apm200 terran play for fun
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10158 Posts
December 05 2017 01:38 GMT
#94
On December 05 2017 10:34 s_k_911 wrote:
Imaging next event : larva's foot vs Midas or Nada (same age and pro time as Legend)

So many guy say"free larva".This is a shame on sc community.

Legend told his friend he didnot know what happened during the match.But as soon as his friend told him larva play with foot agaist him, Legend was root at this seat 30mins and did nothing.

This was definitely not what he expect.

I'm imagining it... and I still don't care.
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Midj
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada253 Posts
December 05 2017 01:39 GMT
#95
This is great, love Larva for doing it. Ridiculous that he's being punished for it but stodgy promoters are gonna be bummers.

(Can't believe I logged in again after like 6 years to talk about this drama)
I enjoy watching more than playing.
Endymion
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States3701 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-05 01:42:38
December 05 2017 01:40 GMT
#96
On December 05 2017 10:25 404AlphaSquad wrote:
I don't really see the big deal. Behaving in condescending ways and shaming your opponents for their lack of skill, whether its in-game or in person, is part of BW culture. A simple YT search, even from Kespa players would confirm this.

this is not my experience in bw at all, both on foreign and korean servers. people are for the most part very chill and polite, even if they're not all socialable. the pros x1000 were that.. they play up their personalities for their streams nowadays though, but i still think they're good/manner deep down

On December 05 2017 10:38 FlaShFTW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2017 10:34 s_k_911 wrote:
Imaging next event : larva's foot vs Midas or Nada (same age and pro time as Legend)

So many guy say"free larva".This is a shame on sc community.

Legend told his friend he didnot know what happened during the match.But as soon as his friend told him larva play with foot agaist him, Legend was root at this seat 30mins and did nothing.

This was definitely not what he expect.

I'm imagining it... and I still don't care.


so if you got a chance to play vs JD or flash, and you practiced like 2 or 3 months leading up to it... and they played with their feet against you... you wouldn't be annoyed/disappointed/jaded? it's denying you the decency of having an actual game of starcraft if someone plays with their feet.. it's ludicrously rude, he should have just left the game if he was so disinclined to play.
Have you considered the MMO-Champion forum? You are just as irrational and delusional with the right portion of nostalgic populism. By the way: The old Brood War was absolutely unplayable
SpringWind
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
China230 Posts
December 05 2017 01:44 GMT
#97
clown larva is BM all the times
404AlphaSquad
Profile Joined October 2011
839 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-05 01:55:20
December 05 2017 01:46 GMT
#98
On December 05 2017 10:40 Endymion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2017 10:25 404AlphaSquad wrote:
I don't really see the big deal. Behaving in condescending ways and shaming your opponents for their lack of skill, whether its in-game or in person, is part of BW culture. A simple YT search, even from Kespa players would confirm this.

this is not my experience in bw at all, both on foreign and korean servers. people are for the most part very chill and polite, even if they're not all socialable. the pros x1000 were that.. they play up their personalities for their streams nowadays though, but i still think they're good/manner deep down

Writing with pylons ingame, thumbing down players. Literally pulling of your t-shirt and go swimming at the beach, after you win. It all happened before without it becoming a big drama. It is just a part of this game. Even before streaming became big. This is the no-fun game where no one is "respected" unless you win and then you can have fun.

On December 05 2017 10:40 Endymion wrote:
so if you got a chance to play vs JD or flash, and you practiced like 2 or 3 months leading up to it... and they played with their feet against you... you wouldn't be annoyed/disappointed/jaded? it's denying you the decency of having an actual game of starcraft if someone plays with their feet.. it's ludicrously rude, he should have just left the game if he was so disinclined to play.

Yes I would be annoyed and yes it is rude. However since larva is so good, he can do whatever he wants. Its how everything here works.
aka Kalevi
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10158 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-05 01:56:01
December 05 2017 01:53 GMT
#99
On December 05 2017 10:40 Endymion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2017 10:25 404AlphaSquad wrote:
I don't really see the big deal. Behaving in condescending ways and shaming your opponents for their lack of skill, whether its in-game or in person, is part of BW culture. A simple YT search, even from Kespa players would confirm this.

this is not my experience in bw at all, both on foreign and korean servers. people are for the most part very chill and polite, even if they're not all socialable. the pros x1000 were that.. they play up their personalities for their streams nowadays though, but i still think they're good/manner deep down

Show nested quote +
On December 05 2017 10:38 FlaShFTW wrote:
On December 05 2017 10:34 s_k_911 wrote:
Imaging next event : larva's foot vs Midas or Nada (same age and pro time as Legend)

So many guy say"free larva".This is a shame on sc community.

Legend told his friend he didnot know what happened during the match.But as soon as his friend told him larva play with foot agaist him, Legend was root at this seat 30mins and did nothing.

This was definitely not what he expect.

I'm imagining it... and I still don't care.


so if you got a chance to play vs JD or flash, and you practiced like 2 or 3 months leading up to it... and they played with their feet against you... you wouldn't be annoyed/disappointed/jaded? it's denying you the decency of having an actual game of starcraft if someone plays with their feet.. it's ludicrously rude, he should have just left the game if he was so disinclined to play.

1) Your hypothetical is so extreme it's not really worth it to discuss but I'll entertain it.
2) No, I really wouldn't care. If they can beat me with their feet AFTER they had already held off an all-in and I've already lost, why should I care. If anything, I would have been more impressed if Larva held off the initial all-in with his feet the entire time, rather than the end when he had already won the game.

I'm looking for good Starcraft games. If someone wins a game with their feet to make the game closer, I'm all for it. In fact, it would be a good challenge because that's how much time they've put into the game where they're so superior they can do that. It's like CSGO pros in low ELO games using only deagle or zeus's. Or League of Legends where they run all TP/Smite to troll.

On December 05 2017 10:46 404AlphaSquad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2017 10:40 Endymion wrote:
On December 05 2017 10:25 404AlphaSquad wrote:
I don't really see the big deal. Behaving in condescending ways and shaming your opponents for their lack of skill, whether its in-game or in person, is part of BW culture. A simple YT search, even from Kespa players would confirm this.

this is not my experience in bw at all, both on foreign and korean servers. people are for the most part very chill and polite, even if they're not all socialable. the pros x1000 were that.. they play up their personalities for their streams nowadays though, but i still think they're good/manner deep down

Writing with pylons ingame, thumbing down players. Literally pulling of your t-shirt and go swimming at the beach, after you win. It all happened before without it becoming a big drama. It is just a part of this game. Even before streaming became big. This is the no-fun game where no one is "respected" unless you win and then you can have fun.

Never forget the pylon heart and stasising your own units. Much I love you forever. And everyone was hyping it up if anything, not saying bad stuff. Just because you might have a fan bias towards Legend, it shouldn't get in the way of a good BM/disrespect. Scout BM was great from Bisu in his games, even if I hate Bisu with a passion, and even when I was a huge savior fan and saw FBH BMing him, I was more upset that Savior sucked rather than FBH doing pelvic thrusts at him.
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outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
December 05 2017 01:54 GMT
#100
On December 05 2017 10:46 404AlphaSquad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2017 10:40 Endymion wrote:
On December 05 2017 10:25 404AlphaSquad wrote:
I don't really see the big deal. Behaving in condescending ways and shaming your opponents for their lack of skill, whether its in-game or in person, is part of BW culture. A simple YT search, even from Kespa players would confirm this.

this is not my experience in bw at all, both on foreign and korean servers. people are for the most part very chill and polite, even if they're not all socialable. the pros x1000 were that.. they play up their personalities for their streams nowadays though, but i still think they're good/manner deep down

Writing with pylons ingame, thumbing down players. Literally pulling of your t-shirt and go swimming at the beach, after you win. It all happened before without it becoming a big drama. It is just a part of this game. Even before streaming became big. This is the no-fun game where no one is "respected" unless you win and then you can have fun.


So true! Since when BroodWar became snowflakes game? I have nothing against Legend but his play was really trash, his APM was twice, thrice low as Larva's. I wonder how he managed to take down Michael and Draco.
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