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On December 05 2017 10:53 FlaShFTW wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2017 10:40 Endymion wrote:On December 05 2017 10:25 404AlphaSquad wrote:
I don't really see the big deal. Behaving in condescending ways and shaming your opponents for their lack of skill, whether its in-game or in person, is part of BW culture. A simple YT search, even from Kespa players would confirm this. this is not my experience in bw at all, both on foreign and korean servers. people are for the most part very chill and polite, even if they're not all socialable. the pros x1000 were that.. they play up their personalities for their streams nowadays though, but i still think they're good/manner deep down On December 05 2017 10:38 FlaShFTW wrote:On December 05 2017 10:34 s_k_911 wrote:
Imaging next event : larva's foot vs Midas or Nada (same age and pro time as Legend)
So many guy say"free larva".This is a shame on sc community.
Legend told his friend he didnot know what happened during the match.But as soon as his friend told him larva play with foot agaist him, Legend was root at this seat 30mins and did nothing.
This was definitely not what he expect. I'm imagining it... and I still don't care. so if you got a chance to play vs JD or flash, and you practiced like 2 or 3 months leading up to it... and they played with their feet against you... you wouldn't be annoyed/disappointed/jaded? it's denying you the decency of having an actual game of starcraft if someone plays with their feet.. it's ludicrously rude, he should have just left the game if he was so disinclined to play. 1) Your hypothetical is so extreme it's not really worth it to discuss but I'll entertain it. 2) No, I really wouldn't care. If they can beat me with their feet AFTER they had already held off an all-in and I've already lost, why should I care. If anything, I would have been more impressed if Larva held off the initial all-in with his feet the entire time, rather than the end when he had already won the game. I'm looking for good Starcraft games. If someone wins a game with their feet to make the game closer, I'm all for it. In fact, it would be a good challenge because that's how much time they've put into the game where they're so superior they can do that. It's like CSGO pros in low ELO games using only deagle or zeus's. Or League of Legends where they run all TP/Smite to troll.
it's so extreme that it's literally the situation that happened to the cn player. but whatever, if that's what you want from starcraft then by all means, let's keep up the bm and the trolling etc etc etc. instead of having a showmatch why not just put larva on iccup and let him bm peruvians, sounds like it would be a great time
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they already had that, it was called battle.net attack and it was fun
pros would just BM random players and nobody batted an eye
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I do not think Larva set out to insult/humiliate his opponents (as others have pointed out he does it on his streams frequently), but the acts themselves have come across as poor showmanship really and I can sympathise with Legend. He's a pro poker player now in his mid thirties and I'm sure he's mainly there for the fun rather than the money anyway.
Yes there is a huge skill difference but there are many other handicaps that are more entertaining/interesting to watch. For example he can do manner hatcheries/broodlings/ensnare/giving vision/mass muta with 2 group muta micro or maybe even do 1 hatch lurker (to show Michael how to do it properly) etc... An analogy would be football (soccer) players doing offensive goal celebrations in a friendly match/showmatch - that would definitely be regarded as an unsportsmanlike conduct. It is way more acceptable to do it say in a really important match. Also, the handicaps weren't even done till mid/late game where he had all the advantage - it would be completely different had he started playing with his feet right from the beginning.
On a personal level I have never found these acts to be particularly funny (i.e. keyboard smashing/pouring soy sauce over you etc etc...) One may argue that Legend perhaps overreacted a little bit but this is difficult - we all know how BW affects our emotions and it may well be a tweet made in the heat of the moment. We are also not sure how closely he follows the afreeca scene.
I'm a little bit sad not about the incident itself but the fact that BW has turned from an actual e-sports to some kind of entertainment now. Gone are the days of the progamers, we now have BJs instead who place a lot of emphasis on entertainment - as Larva has pointed out he's a showman now. Having followed the Afreeca scene on and off this is of course nothing new but seeing an incident like this has just made me realise that we'll never get the professional BW scene back.... (Not that I had huge hopes anyway!)
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On December 05 2017 10:58 Endymion wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2017 10:53 FlaShFTW wrote:On December 05 2017 10:40 Endymion wrote:On December 05 2017 10:25 404AlphaSquad wrote:
I don't really see the big deal. Behaving in condescending ways and shaming your opponents for their lack of skill, whether its in-game or in person, is part of BW culture. A simple YT search, even from Kespa players would confirm this. this is not my experience in bw at all, both on foreign and korean servers. people are for the most part very chill and polite, even if they're not all socialable. the pros x1000 were that.. they play up their personalities for their streams nowadays though, but i still think they're good/manner deep down On December 05 2017 10:38 FlaShFTW wrote:On December 05 2017 10:34 s_k_911 wrote:
Imaging next event : larva's foot vs Midas or Nada (same age and pro time as Legend)
So many guy say"free larva".This is a shame on sc community.
Legend told his friend he didnot know what happened during the match.But as soon as his friend told him larva play with foot agaist him, Legend was root at this seat 30mins and did nothing.
This was definitely not what he expect. I'm imagining it... and I still don't care. so if you got a chance to play vs JD or flash, and you practiced like 2 or 3 months leading up to it... and they played with their feet against you... you wouldn't be annoyed/disappointed/jaded? it's denying you the decency of having an actual game of starcraft if someone plays with their feet.. it's ludicrously rude, he should have just left the game if he was so disinclined to play. 1) Your hypothetical is so extreme it's not really worth it to discuss but I'll entertain it. 2) No, I really wouldn't care. If they can beat me with their feet AFTER they had already held off an all-in and I've already lost, why should I care. If anything, I would have been more impressed if Larva held off the initial all-in with his feet the entire time, rather than the end when he had already won the game. I'm looking for good Starcraft games. If someone wins a game with their feet to make the game closer, I'm all for it. In fact, it would be a good challenge because that's how much time they've put into the game where they're so superior they can do that. It's like CSGO pros in low ELO games using only deagle or zeus's. Or League of Legends where they run all TP/Smite to troll. it's so extreme that it's literally the situation that happened to the cn player. but whatever, if that's what you want from starcraft then by all means, let's keep up the bm and the trolling etc etc etc. instead of having a showmatch why not just put larva on iccup and let him bm peruvians, sounds like it would be a great time
Dude. It's a SHOWMATCH. you act like someone's life was on the line. When did old school BW players become so soft? We've had to deal with iccup bm from people for years and pros bming was great, going for silly strats and manner hatching people. If that happened to you, you can choose to be upset, that's your prerogative. I don't care. They've practiced so hard to reach that level of skill and they should be allowed to do that. It's when M2K pulls out pichu against nonamers because hes just that good with his characters in smash.
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It's totally okay to have mixed emotions about this. I always find it weird when many people try to have one emotion about the whole thing when there's many aspects to it.
- Larva did some BM, and he did it two series in a row. Both playing as Terran and Nuking, and then playing Zerg and doing both in-game and out-of-game BM.
- Legend came all the way from China to get BM'd pretty hard for half of his series.
- Larva and the translator apparently had some miscommunications.
- The event was laidback and pretty free form, thus open to being a bit more "cheeky"
For some reason people are unable to process it's okay to feel bad for Legend but also see that Larva was being funny and can see how he got the impression it would've been okay to do that. I feel both of these can exist at the same time.
I wish people would stop being ridiculously offensive with this. I'm not going to assume how each culture does what with what. If Zotac felt significantly upset with Larva, that's their call. I can guess a few reasons why they're this upset, but I'm trying to not assume anything more than it hurt their brand in some way. I personally would've like to see an open discussion with Larva first asking for an apology or ban.
Overall, I'm pretty bummed I left the event right before this all happened 
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Lx: you are still in the hearth of every Protoss player who watched your replays long years ago, you are still a legend for us, please forget this incident, and keep your love for Starcraft. If Larva apologizes for you accept his apologizes, if he not it's his problem.
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On December 05 2017 10:46 404AlphaSquad wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2017 10:40 Endymion wrote:On December 05 2017 10:25 404AlphaSquad wrote:
I don't really see the big deal. Behaving in condescending ways and shaming your opponents for their lack of skill, whether its in-game or in person, is part of BW culture. A simple YT search, even from Kespa players would confirm this. this is not my experience in bw at all, both on foreign and korean servers. people are for the most part very chill and polite, even if they're not all socialable. the pros x1000 were that.. they play up their personalities for their streams nowadays though, but i still think they're good/manner deep down Writing with pylons ingame, thumbing down players. Literally pulling of your t-shirt and go swimming at the beach, after you win. It all happened before without it becoming a big drama. It is just a part of this game. Even before streaming became big. This is the no-fun game where no one is "respected" unless you win and then you can have fun. Show nested quote +On December 05 2017 10:40 Endymion wrote:
so if you got a chance to play vs JD or flash, and you practiced like 2 or 3 months leading up to it... and they played with their feet against you... you wouldn't be annoyed/disappointed/jaded? it's denying you the decency of having an actual game of starcraft if someone plays with their feet.. it's ludicrously rude, he should have just left the game if he was so disinclined to play. Yes I would be annoyed and yes it is rude. However since larva is so good, he can do whatever he wants. Its how everything here works.
Some of the ceremonies did cause a bit of controversy in Korea/Foreigner scene. The heart cannon is done as a revenge for the ceremony - this is NOT unprovoked. Being good at a game does not make you have the right to become bad-mannered. Especially in a friendly match against an INFERIOR opponent. Being Ronaldo does not give you the right to be rude to the other players.
Also this part of the game is relatively late in the grand scheme of things (Pro-BW started ~ 2001) - done by the younger generation progamers. Prior to that it is mostly just trash-talk/mind games etc...
Of course BW is all about "the show" now so you can argue these things are now acceptable...
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I started playing online in 2000 and I assure you BM in game was always a thing on Battle.net
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On December 05 2017 11:06 FlaShFTW wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2017 10:58 Endymion wrote:On December 05 2017 10:53 FlaShFTW wrote:On December 05 2017 10:40 Endymion wrote:On December 05 2017 10:25 404AlphaSquad wrote:
I don't really see the big deal. Behaving in condescending ways and shaming your opponents for their lack of skill, whether its in-game or in person, is part of BW culture. A simple YT search, even from Kespa players would confirm this. this is not my experience in bw at all, both on foreign and korean servers. people are for the most part very chill and polite, even if they're not all socialable. the pros x1000 were that.. they play up their personalities for their streams nowadays though, but i still think they're good/manner deep down On December 05 2017 10:38 FlaShFTW wrote:On December 05 2017 10:34 s_k_911 wrote:
Imaging next event : larva's foot vs Midas or Nada (same age and pro time as Legend)
So many guy say"free larva".This is a shame on sc community.
Legend told his friend he didnot know what happened during the match.But as soon as his friend told him larva play with foot agaist him, Legend was root at this seat 30mins and did nothing.
This was definitely not what he expect. I'm imagining it... and I still don't care. so if you got a chance to play vs JD or flash, and you practiced like 2 or 3 months leading up to it... and they played with their feet against you... you wouldn't be annoyed/disappointed/jaded? it's denying you the decency of having an actual game of starcraft if someone plays with their feet.. it's ludicrously rude, he should have just left the game if he was so disinclined to play. 1) Your hypothetical is so extreme it's not really worth it to discuss but I'll entertain it. 2) No, I really wouldn't care. If they can beat me with their feet AFTER they had already held off an all-in and I've already lost, why should I care. If anything, I would have been more impressed if Larva held off the initial all-in with his feet the entire time, rather than the end when he had already won the game. I'm looking for good Starcraft games. If someone wins a game with their feet to make the game closer, I'm all for it. In fact, it would be a good challenge because that's how much time they've put into the game where they're so superior they can do that. It's like CSGO pros in low ELO games using only deagle or zeus's. Or League of Legends where they run all TP/Smite to troll. it's so extreme that it's literally the situation that happened to the cn player. but whatever, if that's what you want from starcraft then by all means, let's keep up the bm and the trolling etc etc etc. instead of having a showmatch why not just put larva on iccup and let him bm peruvians, sounds like it would be a great time Dude. It's a SHOWMATCH. you act like someone's life was on the line. When did old school BW players become so soft? We've had to deal with iccup bm from people for years and pros bming was great, going for silly strats and manner hatching people. If that happened to you, you can choose to be upset, that's your prerogative. I don't care. They've practiced so hard to reach that level of skill and they should be allowed to do that. It's when M2K pulls out pichu against nonamers because hes just that good with his characters in smash.
Being skilled at something doesn't give you the right to humiliate people of lesser skill. I was a D1 basketball player in college but I don't join pick-up games at the gym and try to embarass the middle aged guys playing there. When you make a new account on ladder and have to play new players, do you shit talk them and tell them they're trash?
A little bit of showboating is alright when you're with close friends, or your opponent is someone of roughly equal skill as you. Against someone you don't personally know and is clearly below your level, it just makes you look like a jackass. Even in pro traditional sports, the top veteran athletes trash talk each other but they don't trash talk the rookies and bottom players - let alone a semi-retired amateur from a foreign country.
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On December 05 2017 11:33 iamho wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2017 11:06 FlaShFTW wrote:On December 05 2017 10:58 Endymion wrote:On December 05 2017 10:53 FlaShFTW wrote:On December 05 2017 10:40 Endymion wrote:On December 05 2017 10:25 404AlphaSquad wrote:
I don't really see the big deal. Behaving in condescending ways and shaming your opponents for their lack of skill, whether its in-game or in person, is part of BW culture. A simple YT search, even from Kespa players would confirm this. this is not my experience in bw at all, both on foreign and korean servers. people are for the most part very chill and polite, even if they're not all socialable. the pros x1000 were that.. they play up their personalities for their streams nowadays though, but i still think they're good/manner deep down On December 05 2017 10:38 FlaShFTW wrote:On December 05 2017 10:34 s_k_911 wrote:
Imaging next event : larva's foot vs Midas or Nada (same age and pro time as Legend)
So many guy say"free larva".This is a shame on sc community.
Legend told his friend he didnot know what happened during the match.But as soon as his friend told him larva play with foot agaist him, Legend was root at this seat 30mins and did nothing.
This was definitely not what he expect. I'm imagining it... and I still don't care. so if you got a chance to play vs JD or flash, and you practiced like 2 or 3 months leading up to it... and they played with their feet against you... you wouldn't be annoyed/disappointed/jaded? it's denying you the decency of having an actual game of starcraft if someone plays with their feet.. it's ludicrously rude, he should have just left the game if he was so disinclined to play. 1) Your hypothetical is so extreme it's not really worth it to discuss but I'll entertain it. 2) No, I really wouldn't care. If they can beat me with their feet AFTER they had already held off an all-in and I've already lost, why should I care. If anything, I would have been more impressed if Larva held off the initial all-in with his feet the entire time, rather than the end when he had already won the game. I'm looking for good Starcraft games. If someone wins a game with their feet to make the game closer, I'm all for it. In fact, it would be a good challenge because that's how much time they've put into the game where they're so superior they can do that. It's like CSGO pros in low ELO games using only deagle or zeus's. Or League of Legends where they run all TP/Smite to troll. it's so extreme that it's literally the situation that happened to the cn player. but whatever, if that's what you want from starcraft then by all means, let's keep up the bm and the trolling etc etc etc. instead of having a showmatch why not just put larva on iccup and let him bm peruvians, sounds like it would be a great time Dude. It's a SHOWMATCH. you act like someone's life was on the line. When did old school BW players become so soft? We've had to deal with iccup bm from people for years and pros bming was great, going for silly strats and manner hatching people. If that happened to you, you can choose to be upset, that's your prerogative. I don't care. They've practiced so hard to reach that level of skill and they should be allowed to do that. It's when M2K pulls out pichu against nonamers because hes just that good with his characters in smash. Being skilled at something doesn't give you the right to humiliate people of lesser skill. I was a D1 basketball player in college but I don't join pick-up games at the gym and try to embarass the middle aged guys playing there. When you make a new account on ladder and have to play new players, do you shit talk them and tell them they're trash? A little bit of showboating is alright when you're with close friends, or your opponent is someone of roughly equal skill as you. Against someone you don't personally know and is clearly below your level, it just makes you look like a jackass. Even in pro traditional sports, the top veteran athletes trash talk each other but they don't trash talk the rookies and bottom players - let alone a semi-retired amateur from a foreign country.
tell that to Mew2King who trashes everyone with Pichu in qualifiers for Smash tournaments.
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On December 05 2017 11:27 HaFnium wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2017 10:46 404AlphaSquad wrote:On December 05 2017 10:40 Endymion wrote:On December 05 2017 10:25 404AlphaSquad wrote:
I don't really see the big deal. Behaving in condescending ways and shaming your opponents for their lack of skill, whether its in-game or in person, is part of BW culture. A simple YT search, even from Kespa players would confirm this. this is not my experience in bw at all, both on foreign and korean servers. people are for the most part very chill and polite, even if they're not all socialable. the pros x1000 were that.. they play up their personalities for their streams nowadays though, but i still think they're good/manner deep down Writing with pylons ingame, thumbing down players. Literally pulling of your t-shirt and go swimming at the beach, after you win. It all happened before without it becoming a big drama. It is just a part of this game. Even before streaming became big. This is the no-fun game where no one is "respected" unless you win and then you can have fun. On December 05 2017 10:40 Endymion wrote:
so if you got a chance to play vs JD or flash, and you practiced like 2 or 3 months leading up to it... and they played with their feet against you... you wouldn't be annoyed/disappointed/jaded? it's denying you the decency of having an actual game of starcraft if someone plays with their feet.. it's ludicrously rude, he should have just left the game if he was so disinclined to play. Yes I would be annoyed and yes it is rude. However since larva is so good, he can do whatever he wants. Its how everything here works. Some of the ceremonies did cause a bit of controversy in Korea/Foreigner scene. The heart cannon is done as a revenge for the ceremony so you cannot say these acts are unprovoked. Being good at a game does not make you have the right to become bad-mannered. Especially in a friendly match against an INFERIOR opponent. Being Ronaldo does not give you the right to be rude to the other players. Also this part of the game is relatively late in the grand scheme of things (Pro-BW started 2001) - done by the younger generation progamers. Prior to that it is mostly just trash-talk/mind games etc... Of course BW is all about "the show" now so you can argue these things are now acceptable...
Broadcasted BW always had an entertainment aspect to it. Heck thats why there are charismatic commentators. If you just would like to analyze the game you could also just watch replays. It is disingenious to say that this is a "show" business now and before it was all 100% serious no fun allowed mode, where everyone always treated everyone with dignity and respect.
Beeing good at BW, always gave you the right to be bad mannered. Nothing has changed, except maybe that people grew out of that mentality after 15+ years and now frown upon it.
Also coming up with real life analogies for something to condemn gaming culture is also off. Gaming culture has alot of propreties that are considered offensive/disrespectful.
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Last years all I heard was LoL, Overwatch, CS, pubg. Thanks to the "foot thing" I had all my friends asking me if I saw a guy playing "my game" with the foot.
This thing was more good than bad. C'mon this was not ASL or GSL.. It was suppose to be more fun. Long live Starcraft! Long live Lx! Long live Larva!
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On December 05 2017 11:36 FlaShFTW wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2017 11:33 iamho wrote:On December 05 2017 11:06 FlaShFTW wrote:On December 05 2017 10:58 Endymion wrote:On December 05 2017 10:53 FlaShFTW wrote:On December 05 2017 10:40 Endymion wrote:On December 05 2017 10:25 404AlphaSquad wrote:
I don't really see the big deal. Behaving in condescending ways and shaming your opponents for their lack of skill, whether its in-game or in person, is part of BW culture. A simple YT search, even from Kespa players would confirm this. this is not my experience in bw at all, both on foreign and korean servers. people are for the most part very chill and polite, even if they're not all socialable. the pros x1000 were that.. they play up their personalities for their streams nowadays though, but i still think they're good/manner deep down On December 05 2017 10:38 FlaShFTW wrote:On December 05 2017 10:34 s_k_911 wrote:
Imaging next event : larva's foot vs Midas or Nada (same age and pro time as Legend)
So many guy say"free larva".This is a shame on sc community.
Legend told his friend he didnot know what happened during the match.But as soon as his friend told him larva play with foot agaist him, Legend was root at this seat 30mins and did nothing.
This was definitely not what he expect. I'm imagining it... and I still don't care. so if you got a chance to play vs JD or flash, and you practiced like 2 or 3 months leading up to it... and they played with their feet against you... you wouldn't be annoyed/disappointed/jaded? it's denying you the decency of having an actual game of starcraft if someone plays with their feet.. it's ludicrously rude, he should have just left the game if he was so disinclined to play. 1) Your hypothetical is so extreme it's not really worth it to discuss but I'll entertain it. 2) No, I really wouldn't care. If they can beat me with their feet AFTER they had already held off an all-in and I've already lost, why should I care. If anything, I would have been more impressed if Larva held off the initial all-in with his feet the entire time, rather than the end when he had already won the game. I'm looking for good Starcraft games. If someone wins a game with their feet to make the game closer, I'm all for it. In fact, it would be a good challenge because that's how much time they've put into the game where they're so superior they can do that. It's like CSGO pros in low ELO games using only deagle or zeus's. Or League of Legends where they run all TP/Smite to troll. it's so extreme that it's literally the situation that happened to the cn player. but whatever, if that's what you want from starcraft then by all means, let's keep up the bm and the trolling etc etc etc. instead of having a showmatch why not just put larva on iccup and let him bm peruvians, sounds like it would be a great time Dude. It's a SHOWMATCH. you act like someone's life was on the line. When did old school BW players become so soft? We've had to deal with iccup bm from people for years and pros bming was great, going for silly strats and manner hatching people. If that happened to you, you can choose to be upset, that's your prerogative. I don't care. They've practiced so hard to reach that level of skill and they should be allowed to do that. It's when M2K pulls out pichu against nonamers because hes just that good with his characters in smash. Being skilled at something doesn't give you the right to humiliate people of lesser skill. I was a D1 basketball player in college but I don't join pick-up games at the gym and try to embarass the middle aged guys playing there. When you make a new account on ladder and have to play new players, do you shit talk them and tell them they're trash? A little bit of showboating is alright when you're with close friends, or your opponent is someone of roughly equal skill as you. Against someone you don't personally know and is clearly below your level, it just makes you look like a jackass. Even in pro traditional sports, the top veteran athletes trash talk each other but they don't trash talk the rookies and bottom players - let alone a semi-retired amateur from a foreign country. tell that to Mew2King who trashes everyone with Pichu in qualifiers for Smash tournaments.
Before you go down the rabbit hole with different kinds of BM...
But now I see that I was completely wrong. Even if you were to nuke me in game I would just laugh it off. Outside the game you act like a clown, this is the difference between you and a 1st place professional player.
It seems like Legend would have been completely ok with in game BM. When Larva took it out of the game, sitting right across from him, that is when it got a little too far for Legend (and for many people as well). Mew2King playing pichu would have been fine. Lets not lose focus on why exactly Legend (hence his fans) were provoked.
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Really have no idea where people get off presuming to tell other people what they should or shouldn't be offended by 
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Meh. Let's just get over this. Larva did something stupid and got backlashed. End of story.
Also I doubt ZOTAC is going to sponsor any big bw tournament after this. But we will see.
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On December 05 2017 11:36 FlaShFTW wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2017 11:33 iamho wrote:On December 05 2017 11:06 FlaShFTW wrote:On December 05 2017 10:58 Endymion wrote:On December 05 2017 10:53 FlaShFTW wrote:On December 05 2017 10:40 Endymion wrote:On December 05 2017 10:25 404AlphaSquad wrote:
I don't really see the big deal. Behaving in condescending ways and shaming your opponents for their lack of skill, whether its in-game or in person, is part of BW culture. A simple YT search, even from Kespa players would confirm this. this is not my experience in bw at all, both on foreign and korean servers. people are for the most part very chill and polite, even if they're not all socialable. the pros x1000 were that.. they play up their personalities for their streams nowadays though, but i still think they're good/manner deep down On December 05 2017 10:38 FlaShFTW wrote:On December 05 2017 10:34 s_k_911 wrote:
Imaging next event : larva's foot vs Midas or Nada (same age and pro time as Legend)
So many guy say"free larva".This is a shame on sc community.
Legend told his friend he didnot know what happened during the match.But as soon as his friend told him larva play with foot agaist him, Legend was root at this seat 30mins and did nothing.
This was definitely not what he expect. I'm imagining it... and I still don't care. so if you got a chance to play vs JD or flash, and you practiced like 2 or 3 months leading up to it... and they played with their feet against you... you wouldn't be annoyed/disappointed/jaded? it's denying you the decency of having an actual game of starcraft if someone plays with their feet.. it's ludicrously rude, he should have just left the game if he was so disinclined to play. 1) Your hypothetical is so extreme it's not really worth it to discuss but I'll entertain it. 2) No, I really wouldn't care. If they can beat me with their feet AFTER they had already held off an all-in and I've already lost, why should I care. If anything, I would have been more impressed if Larva held off the initial all-in with his feet the entire time, rather than the end when he had already won the game. I'm looking for good Starcraft games. If someone wins a game with their feet to make the game closer, I'm all for it. In fact, it would be a good challenge because that's how much time they've put into the game where they're so superior they can do that. It's like CSGO pros in low ELO games using only deagle or zeus's. Or League of Legends where they run all TP/Smite to troll. it's so extreme that it's literally the situation that happened to the cn player. but whatever, if that's what you want from starcraft then by all means, let's keep up the bm and the trolling etc etc etc. instead of having a showmatch why not just put larva on iccup and let him bm peruvians, sounds like it would be a great time Dude. It's a SHOWMATCH. you act like someone's life was on the line. When did old school BW players become so soft? We've had to deal with iccup bm from people for years and pros bming was great, going for silly strats and manner hatching people. If that happened to you, you can choose to be upset, that's your prerogative. I don't care. They've practiced so hard to reach that level of skill and they should be allowed to do that. It's when M2K pulls out pichu against nonamers because hes just that good with his characters in smash. Being skilled at something doesn't give you the right to humiliate people of lesser skill. I was a D1 basketball player in college but I don't join pick-up games at the gym and try to embarass the middle aged guys playing there. When you make a new account on ladder and have to play new players, do you shit talk them and tell them they're trash? A little bit of showboating is alright when you're with close friends, or your opponent is someone of roughly equal skill as you. Against someone you don't personally know and is clearly below your level, it just makes you look like a jackass. Even in pro traditional sports, the top veteran athletes trash talk each other but they don't trash talk the rookies and bottom players - let alone a semi-retired amateur from a foreign country. tell that to Mew2King who trashes everyone with Pichu in qualifiers for Smash tournaments.
Mew2King literally has aspergers, and I would forgive him for behaving in a manner that is not typical socially. Do you really want to relegate the entire professional scene of Starcraft to that level?
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Some people here apparently think Lx is some random foreign scrub who doesn't take Starcraft seriously. He is not. Ten years ago he too was a progamer, training like crazy trying to make the top. He battled in premium tournaments when Larva was still a no-namer. He'd largely gone on with his life now, but that doesn't make it right to publicly humilate him like he's some kind of imbecile. Showman or not, you don't do that shit against respected old players.
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unlucky lx, beat all the other foreigners and his prize is to get BMed by larva
菜是原罪 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
if larva did this to draco the general opinion in this thread would probably be the completely opposite
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