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ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
December 05 2017 04:37 GMT
#141
I want to see Larva do a full 360 in his chair while microing against an opponent.
"If two pregnant women get into a fist fight, it's like a mecha-battle between two unborn babies." - Fyodor Dostoevsky
HansenZ
Profile Joined September 2017
49 Posts
December 05 2017 04:42 GMT
#142
Yes, I want to see Larva use his dick playing Starcraft.

Starcraft is a show game, which is used to show your dick.
rel
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Guam3521 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-05 04:46:10
December 05 2017 04:45 GMT
#143
Yeah but can he beat a blind kid blindfolded?
I'll tank push my way into her heart. ☮♥&$!
outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
December 05 2017 04:46 GMT
#144
On December 05 2017 13:42 HansenZ wrote:
Yes, I want to see Larva use his dick playing Starcraft.

Starcraft is a show game, which is used to show your dick.


If Pornhub will host a tourney we can definitely see this one happening.
sunbeams are never made like me...
juvenal
Profile Joined July 2013
2448 Posts
December 05 2017 04:50 GMT
#145
On December 05 2017 11:36 FlaShFTW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2017 11:33 iamho wrote:
On December 05 2017 11:06 FlaShFTW wrote:
On December 05 2017 10:58 Endymion wrote:
On December 05 2017 10:53 FlaShFTW wrote:
On December 05 2017 10:40 Endymion wrote:
On December 05 2017 10:25 404AlphaSquad wrote:
I don't really see the big deal. Behaving in condescending ways and shaming your opponents for their lack of skill, whether its in-game or in person, is part of BW culture. A simple YT search, even from Kespa players would confirm this.

this is not my experience in bw at all, both on foreign and korean servers. people are for the most part very chill and polite, even if they're not all socialable. the pros x1000 were that.. they play up their personalities for their streams nowadays though, but i still think they're good/manner deep down

On December 05 2017 10:38 FlaShFTW wrote:
On December 05 2017 10:34 s_k_911 wrote:
Imaging next event : larva's foot vs Midas or Nada (same age and pro time as Legend)

So many guy say"free larva".This is a shame on sc community.

Legend told his friend he didnot know what happened during the match.But as soon as his friend told him larva play with foot agaist him, Legend was root at this seat 30mins and did nothing.

This was definitely not what he expect.

I'm imagining it... and I still don't care.


so if you got a chance to play vs JD or flash, and you practiced like 2 or 3 months leading up to it... and they played with their feet against you... you wouldn't be annoyed/disappointed/jaded? it's denying you the decency of having an actual game of starcraft if someone plays with their feet.. it's ludicrously rude, he should have just left the game if he was so disinclined to play.

1) Your hypothetical is so extreme it's not really worth it to discuss but I'll entertain it.
2) No, I really wouldn't care. If they can beat me with their feet AFTER they had already held off an all-in and I've already lost, why should I care. If anything, I would have been more impressed if Larva held off the initial all-in with his feet the entire time, rather than the end when he had already won the game.

I'm looking for good Starcraft games. If someone wins a game with their feet to make the game closer, I'm all for it. In fact, it would be a good challenge because that's how much time they've put into the game where they're so superior they can do that. It's like CSGO pros in low ELO games using only deagle or zeus's. Or League of Legends where they run all TP/Smite to troll.

it's so extreme that it's literally the situation that happened to the cn player. but whatever, if that's what you want from starcraft then by all means, let's keep up the bm and the trolling etc etc etc. instead of having a showmatch why not just put larva on iccup and let him bm peruvians, sounds like it would be a great time

Dude. It's a SHOWMATCH. you act like someone's life was on the line. When did old school BW players become so soft? We've had to deal with iccup bm from people for years and pros bming was great, going for silly strats and manner hatching people. If that happened to you, you can choose to be upset, that's your prerogative. I don't care. They've practiced so hard to reach that level of skill and they should be allowed to do that. It's when M2K pulls out pichu against nonamers because hes just that good with his characters in smash.


Being skilled at something doesn't give you the right to humiliate people of lesser skill. I was a D1 basketball player in college but I don't join pick-up games at the gym and try to embarass the middle aged guys playing there. When you make a new account on ladder and have to play new players, do you shit talk them and tell them they're trash?

A little bit of showboating is alright when you're with close friends, or your opponent is someone of roughly equal skill as you. Against someone you don't personally know and is clearly below your level, it just makes you look like a jackass. Even in pro traditional sports, the top veteran athletes trash talk each other but they don't trash talk the rookies and bottom players - let alone a semi-retired amateur from a foreign country.

tell that to Mew2King who trashes everyone with Pichu in qualifiers for Smash tournaments.

"hey this retarded behavior is okay, since here you can see another dude with the same retarded behavior" nice logic man.
Michael Probu
FoR_BlueS
Profile Joined December 2017
New Zealand21 Posts
December 05 2017 05:10 GMT
#146
Given that BW is almost a 20 year old game, the amount of players who cannot rationally evaluate the moral nature of Larva's behavour is depressing. If you think strength makes right, go read Rousseau, if you think it is unjustified for people to react angrily at an obviously inappropriate behaviour, go read Kant. This has nothing to do with "Chinese pride" or whatever excuse people come up to defend Larva's obviously inappropriate behaviour, the demand for respect is a fundamental human right and doesn't only apply to Chinese people. There are obviously more mature, responsible and respectful ways to entertain a more refined audience, but apparently that is beyond reach of Larva's capabilities.
PM for games, NZ timezone. ICCUP rank TvP/PvT A- , between C/B for other matchups.
Starlightsun
Profile Blog Joined June 2016
United States1405 Posts
December 05 2017 05:25 GMT
#147
On December 05 2017 14:10 FoR_BlueS wrote:
Given that BW is almost a 20 year old game, the amount of players who cannot rationally evaluate the moral nature of Larva's behavour is depressing. If you think strength makes right, go read Rousseau, if you think it is unjustified for people to react angrily at an obviously inappropriate behaviour, go read Kant. This has nothing to do with "Chinese pride" or whatever excuse people come up to defend Larva's obviously inappropriate behaviour, the demand for respect is a fundamental human right and doesn't only apply to Chinese people. There are obviously more mature, responsible and respectful ways to entertain a more refined audience, but apparently that is beyond reach of Larva's capabilities.


Omg name dropping Kant and Rousseau. I feel such gratitude to larva for creating this delicious dramas.
VankaWang
Profile Joined December 2017
3 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-05 05:31:30
December 05 2017 05:28 GMT
#148
[/QUOTE]
I recommend scrolling up and reading the post by Letmelose. If you personally draw the line at feet on keyboard, that's fine. However, saying it is disrespectful to anybody who plays broodwar is ridiculous lol.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the recommendation.
As far as I'm concerned, there's nothing funny about playing this game with your feet before its ending if you started it with your hands. Because I myself will NEVER do it playing against anybody. And it is not about lacking a sense of humor. I don't have a problem with anybody who enjoy things like that. But I will turn away from them. 己所不欲,勿施于人。We must agree to disagree.
Letmelose
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Korea (South)3227 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-05 05:48:54
December 05 2017 05:44 GMT
#149
On December 05 2017 14:10 FoR_BlueS wrote:
This has nothing to do with "Chinese pride".


Nickzouzou wrote:
It's a shame on this game,and a shame on SouthKro!!!


HansenZ wrote:
After Larva's showtime, every people in China will be against Zotac for sure.
Just like Chinese people against Korea Lemart. And Lemart goes bankruptcy.


youngjiddle wrote:
But I'm not surprised with koreans these days when talking about other asian countries like china.


robotninzya wrote:
very soon if SCR is on WCG 2018 no one from the Republic of Korea will be in top3 or atleast on the first place. this is for sure. they will answer for this action and for their low level in the game.


I don't know about you, but there may be some level of nationalism behind all this sudden uproar. I don't think any of these people had a huge issue with what Larva did until he decided to deploy his clown-like behaviour onto their countryman.
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OrangeGarage
Profile Joined October 2015
Korea (South)319 Posts
December 05 2017 05:46 GMT
#150
On December 05 2017 14:44 Letmelose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2017 14:10 FoR_BlueS wrote:
This has nothing to do with "Chinese pride".


Show nested quote +
Nickzouzou wrote:
It's a shame on this game,and a shame on SouthKro!!!


Show nested quote +
HansenZ wrote:
After Larva's showtime, every people in China will be against Zotac for sure.
Just like Chinese people against Korea Lemart. And Lemart goes bankruptcy.


Show nested quote +
youngjiddle wrote:
But I'm not surprised with koreans these days when talking about other asian countries like china.


Show nested quote +
robotninzya wrote:
very soon if SCR is on WCG 2018 no one from the Republic of Korea will be in top3 or atleast on the first place. this is for sure. they will answer for this action and for their low level in the game.


I don't know about you, but there may be some level of nationalism behind all this sudden uproar.

Ooor... it may have to do with how well known and liked Legend was in Chinese BW scene back in like 2006.
I am drone! My dream is Hatchery!
AManHasNoName
Profile Joined September 2017
United States165 Posts
December 05 2017 05:52 GMT
#151
On December 05 2017 13:01 outscar wrote:
So if we sum this what we got here?

1) Larva made the event entartaining
2) Lx got butthurt and called him and his fans "mentally retarded" and trash
3) Larva said he asked permission to perform those stunts
4) Larva tried to apologize to Lx face to face but Lx refused to accept it after match
5) Zotac lied (IMO) and said Larva didn't ask permission and banned Larva (I refuse to believe Larva could lie about this)


That sounds like an accurate summary, yes. It's a pretty silly situation all around at this point lol.
“To love the journey is to accept no such end. I have found, through painful experience, that the most important step a person can take is always the next one.”
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66365 Posts
December 05 2017 05:53 GMT
#152
if larva did this against a fellow korean in a showmatch this wouldnt have happened

lx is salty af
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Letmelose
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Korea (South)3227 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-05 05:58:06
December 05 2017 05:56 GMT
#153
On December 05 2017 14:46 RCCar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2017 14:44 Letmelose wrote:
On December 05 2017 14:10 FoR_BlueS wrote:
This has nothing to do with "Chinese pride".


Nickzouzou wrote:
It's a shame on this game,and a shame on SouthKro!!!


HansenZ wrote:
After Larva's showtime, every people in China will be against Zotac for sure.
Just like Chinese people against Korea Lemart. And Lemart goes bankruptcy.


youngjiddle wrote:
But I'm not surprised with koreans these days when talking about other asian countries like china.


robotninzya wrote:
very soon if SCR is on WCG 2018 no one from the Republic of Korea will be in top3 or atleast on the first place. this is for sure. they will answer for this action and for their low level in the game.


I don't know about you, but there may be some level of nationalism behind all this sudden uproar.

Ooor... it may have to do with how well known and liked Legend was in Chinese BW scene back in like 2006.


I'm sure bringing nationalism to the conversation was a great way of showing that fandom for Legend. Like I said, it's fine to be offended, but what I am not for are bullshit arguments under false pretenses.
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franzji
Profile Joined September 2013
United States583 Posts
December 05 2017 06:17 GMT
#154
On December 05 2017 14:10 FoR_BlueS wrote:
Given that BW is almost a 20 year old game, the amount of players who cannot rationally evaluate the moral nature of Larva's behavour is depressing. If you think strength makes right, go read Rousseau, if you think it is unjustified for people to react angrily at an obviously inappropriate behaviour, go read Kant. This has nothing to do with "Chinese pride" or whatever excuse people come up to defend Larva's obviously inappropriate behaviour, the demand for respect is a fundamental human right and doesn't only apply to Chinese people. There are obviously more mature, responsible and respectful ways to entertain a more refined audience, but apparently that is beyond reach of Larva's capabilities.


100% agree.

I find it amusing how well spoken you are compared to those who spam #freelarva or act like Lx has no right be mad. You would think most people playing BW would be more mature, with it being a 20 year old game. Then again, I bet larvas afreeca viewers are all teenagers too.
juvenal
Profile Joined July 2013
2448 Posts
December 05 2017 06:24 GMT
#155
On December 05 2017 14:53 konadora wrote:
if larva did this against a fellow korean in a showmatch this wouldnt have happened

lx is salty af

if he did that to Yellow (Legend's equivalent), naver would've exploded.
Michael Probu
juvenal
Profile Joined July 2013
2448 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-05 06:32:23
December 05 2017 06:26 GMT
#156
On December 05 2017 14:56 Letmelose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2017 14:46 RCCar wrote:
On December 05 2017 14:44 Letmelose wrote:
On December 05 2017 14:10 FoR_BlueS wrote:
This has nothing to do with "Chinese pride".


Nickzouzou wrote:
It's a shame on this game,and a shame on SouthKro!!!


HansenZ wrote:
After Larva's showtime, every people in China will be against Zotac for sure.
Just like Chinese people against Korea Lemart. And Lemart goes bankruptcy.


youngjiddle wrote:
But I'm not surprised with koreans these days when talking about other asian countries like china.


robotninzya wrote:
very soon if SCR is on WCG 2018 no one from the Republic of Korea will be in top3 or atleast on the first place. this is for sure. they will answer for this action and for their low level in the game.


I don't know about you, but there may be some level of nationalism behind all this sudden uproar.

Ooor... it may have to do with how well known and liked Legend was in Chinese BW scene back in like 2006.


I'm sure bringing nationalism to the conversation was a great way of showing that fandom for Legend. Like I said, it's fine to be offended, but what I am not for are bullshit arguments under false pretenses.

what's false about it? The relations between the countries are not fantastic, Larva's well aware of that, Legend's well aware of that. It is the context you can't ignore. Whatever the controversy was gonna happen, it was bound to be viewed through that prism and Larva, being the initiator, should've taken that into account. Plus, he didn't bm other players. Sure, he did a bow when shaking Legend's hand after the game so you can see there was no malicious intent but how the fuck was Legend supposed to know that?
Michael Probu
Myrddraal
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia937 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-05 06:29:28
December 05 2017 06:28 GMT
#157
On December 05 2017 14:10 FoR_BlueS wrote:
Given that BW is almost a 20 year old game, the amount of players who cannot rationally evaluate the moral nature of Larva's behavour is depressing. If you think strength makes right, go read Rousseau, if you think it is unjustified for people to react angrily at an obviously inappropriate behaviour, go read Kant. This has nothing to do with "Chinese pride" or whatever excuse people come up to defend Larva's obviously inappropriate behaviour, the demand for respect is a fundamental human right and doesn't only apply to Chinese people. There are obviously more mature, responsible and respectful ways to entertain a more refined audience, but apparently that is beyond reach of Larva's capabilities.


Really? I think it's far more irrational to make a big deal about it, take emotions out of it and tell me how exactly anyone was harmed by what Larva did?

It was clearly a relaxed atmopshere, not some super serious competition. If you think that someone playing a video game with with their foot for a short time is some huge moral issue, go watch some comedians and grow a sense of humour.
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flfl000
Profile Joined December 2017
1 Post
December 05 2017 06:29 GMT
#158
For those who believe that Legend should earn his respect. This guy was one of the few non-korean starcraft 1 player that won a world champion he stopped playing about 10 years ago. Humiliating a retired player is nothing to be proud of...This is disrespectful to the opponent, to himself and to the entire e-sports.
AManHasNoName
Profile Joined September 2017
United States165 Posts
December 05 2017 06:31 GMT
#159
It's pretty amazing how many brand new accounts I see being created by Chinese players just wanting to trash larva.
“To love the journey is to accept no such end. I have found, through painful experience, that the most important step a person can take is always the next one.”
franzji
Profile Joined September 2013
United States583 Posts
December 05 2017 06:32 GMT
#160
I hope larva learns to be more mature outside of korea. If he wants to keep a job that is, hurting communities like the chinese scene is a very stupid thing to do.

Also, what's up with the dumbasses who think getting upvotes of reddit videos is more important than maintaining and growing the chinese scene.
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