EPTZOTAC Larva/Legend Incident Discussion - Page 4
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jakarti
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outscar
2832 Posts
On December 05 2017 07:21 sweffymo wrote: All in all, it's kind of a crappy situation and I think that the whole thing was caused by miscommunication. However it will go down in history as one of the funniest/most infamous moments in BW history and that is something that this tournament would never have had without it. Well, it's time for GTR to publish Progaming Incidents #3 - post KeSPA shenanigans | ||
Heyoka
Katowice25012 Posts
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rauk
United States2228 Posts
On December 05 2017 07:21 sweffymo wrote: Way to see a nuanced, complex situation as completely black and white guys. The sad thing is that most people on TL are in their mid 30s by now and still act this way. ZOTAC had to have known Larva's reputation when doing research for the showmatch. Then they suddenly expected a man who literally wore a costume to ASL to not do something funny in a foreign showmatch. It's like inviting the Globetrotters to play basketball and then getting mad when they mess around. However, I understand why Chinese fans are butthurt. Lx was a really big player in his day and nobody likes to get savagely trolled 5 games in a row. But calling someone "mentally ill" after that is just as uncalled for. Believe it or not, it's possible to express feelings without attacking the other person. All in all, it's kind of a crappy situation and I think that the whole thing was caused by miscommunication. However it will go down in history as one of the funniest/most infamous moments in BW history and that is something that this tournament would never have had without it. 脑子有病的人 isn't as harsh like calling someone "mentally ill", it's more like if you called someone brain dead or crazy in english | ||
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castleeMg
Canada786 Posts
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Norzma
Sweden160 Posts
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Flameling
United States413 Posts
On December 05 2017 07:33 Norzma wrote: Classic chinks to get upset over some jokes, sad to see Zotac bending over to the raging fans over this, doubtful if I'm gonna watch or buy zotac products after this. lol nice blatant racism | ||
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Starlightsun
United States1405 Posts
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rel
Guam3521 Posts
![[image loading]](http://defiler.ru/i/g/larva.gif) | ||
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NoFxFireBlaze
Canada2 Posts
On December 05 2017 06:34 .vale. wrote: It's been quite a long while since my last time posting on TL. I just heard this from a friend and thus go and check it out here. The posts in this thread and others really surprised me. If this is the majority of TL users' idea such that this type of actions are acceptable, this community must have changed so much and so differently from the community that we used to know. Regarding what Larva did, those were not just humiliating his opponents but also a disgrace to himself. As an old BW/SC fan I have never seen anything like this in a formal match. This is not helping the scene and is indeed pathetic. Edit: please do not reply to my post or quote etc., as my stomach cannot bear it. Similarly I heard about this through Reddit and after years of watching SC/BW I wanted to see how the TL community reacted. I however disagree with you completely. One of the funniest moments was the ceremonies that players did after games. It's been 10 years but I still remember FireBatHero dancing around in swim trunks. I have no idea where grown adults get offended by someone joking around. If your pride is hurt use it as motivation to improve, the reality is Larva played the game with in some cases very notable disadvantages and he still won. There is nothing pathetic about it, besides the response by a few overly sensitive folks. | ||
FlaShFTW
United States10332 Posts
I for one am perfectly OK with players doing silly crap in a SHOWMATCH. Especially one with such a huge skill gap difference. If you didn't want one player to try to handicap himself you should've brought in people of equal skill level and done a no koreans allowed thing like other tournaments. I mean seriously, you invited a top5 player in the world to play against a guy a decade older and way out of practice. What the hell did you think was going to happen. Larva could've ended the games in 6 minutes each and everyone would be like lol free 10k for Larva just get in get out. At least he made things funny and entertaining. As for the hoard of Chinese fans getting upset and people criticizing that, I think any country would have done the same, especially other East Asian countries. There is a lot of pride and nationalism from most Asian countries and if the same happened the other way around, Koreans would be jumping up and down the same way as the Chinese fans have been. While I think the reaction is stupid and no fanbase should be doing it, it's going to be natural, especially with the East Asian rivalries. At the end of the day, if you don't like what Larva has done, you can stop supporting him/being a fan of his. If you liked it, he's picked up some more fans. Either way, remember that a lot of what Larva does is an act, kind of like DrDisRespect. If you invite a personality player, you're going to get personality. If you invite a robot who only knows how to play seriously like a FlaSh, then you're going to get 1 side domination, you're going to get bored viewers. As for the mentally unstable comment from Legend, if he meant it as an insult, you can't expect an apology after that. You just threw more gas onto the fire. And even if he didn't, it was incredibly passive aggressive and still probably doesn't warrant an apology. The dude's a showman. Get over it. Should've kicked his ass while playing with his foot and gotten him to shut up. Oh well, can't wait for the next drama to occur. Can't wait to see the next tournament that Larva is in and for the anti-fans to start pouring him to root for the other guy. This is a good storyline and Larva is a great heel that Starcraft needs. | ||
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dark.matter
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Aunvilgodess
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Shalashaska_123
United States142 Posts
I think Legend and the Chinese community are taking this way too personally. I really doubt Larva meant any disrespect. He just wanted to provide entertainment for the fans in a match that was obviously going to be a boring 3-0. Not only did he entertain me during the games, but also after them with the drama on the forums. I applaud him for his skills. While his behavior was unprofessional, it didn't strike me as inappropriate or offensive, considering the laidback vibe of the casters and atmosphere of the event. If anyone is in the wrong here, it would be Legend and the tournament organizers. If Larva's behavior was unacceptable, they should've paused the game and told him to stop. They didn't, though, which is an implicit sign of approval. ZOTAC's ban on Larva just looks like a desperate attempt to maintain good standing with the Chinese community. The one showing a lack of sportsmanship and civility is Legend with his post, saying that Larva is trash and mentally ill. I think he owes Larva an apology. Also, just a little note to iNcontroL. When you said Larva's thigh weighed 17 pounds, I thought you were taking a jab at Larva, trying to imply he had chicken legs and that the majority of his weight was elsewhere (his gut). Only after I read your post did I realize it was a "wtf" moment. Thanks for clearing up the misunderstanding.  Sincerely, Shalashaska_123 | ||
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Sifu Open
Czech Republic5 Posts
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Brutaxilos
United States2633 Posts
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Response
United States1936 Posts
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blunderfulguy
United States1415 Posts
The problems seem to stem from big issues between translations and two particular clashing player/culture attitudes. As for Geoff's attitude, I saw nothing close to being seriously wrong during the event and his own post goes over, in detail, something that happens at all kinds of events, offline and online, small or large, serious or otherwise: When (usually not an [i]if[/if]) someone gets tired at the end of the day or decides to let everyone have more of the light for any reason, they do any one of the multiple things that Geoff did, talks about, and plenty of other casters/hosts/etc. have done for years. The only surprising thing to me (okay, not too surprising) is that the supposedly better informed or more reasonable viewers within the community (people who use TL) still ignore so much of the context and information. How much this has blown up is pretty surprising too, though it's more what people are focusing on. Part of me was hoping there was something big I missed, but, nope. I gotta say, the whole deal is kinda just dumb. As for this... On December 05 2017 05:23 fish_radio wrote: Lx's words were mistranslated. I feel by Chinese standards at least;; "Mentally ill" and things like that are not offensive at all. The way it is written, he is genuine he believes Larva needs medical help. This is a whole can of worms itself. Being called mentally ill, as far as I am aware, is not something most cultures around the world are okay with when the person saying it is not asked in private for that specific personal feedback. If that's an issue of different aspects of cultures coupled with poor translating, then, while perhaps it should not have been said and accepted to begin with, maybe it shouldn't have been translated to another player after having been said. Calling people "mentally ill", "retarded", "autistic", etc. etc., while being accepted to some degree within certain gaming communities or certain (often younger) audiences within those and other related communities, is generally understood to not be okay. Even with how "popular" that type of dialogue still is, and, from what I thought, was even worse in situations like this (tournaments, interviews, public, etc.). Note (big note tbh) that it is incorrect to say that it isn't offensive, because whether or not it is offensive does not depend on what the person who says something believes about what they said, rather it depends on whether or not the people hearing it are offended by it. Intention can have a big factor, but there are more things going on than just someone saying, even supposedly genuinely, that someone else is mentally ill. | ||
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blunderfulguy
United States1415 Posts
On December 05 2017 08:42 Brutaxilos wrote: @Seeker, you should probably add a footnote to Legend's comment in the OP. He literally describes Larva as someone with "brain sickness". It's a fairly benign Chinese insult, equivalent of calling someone an idiot in English. I think the Google Translate makes his response sound much harsher than what he actually said ("mentally retarded"), and it might cause some unfair backlash. "Brain sickness" is.. more acceptable than "mentally ill"... how, exactly? | ||
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rauk
United States2228 Posts
On December 05 2017 08:47 blunderfulguy wrote: "Brain sickness" is.. more acceptable than "mentally ill"... how, exactly? idiot and moron were medical terms for people with mental disabilities, but no one bats an eye at that in america. no one cares if you call someone 神經病 in chinese | ||
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