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RouaF
Profile Joined October 2010
France4121 Posts
May 03 2017 19:17 GMT
#41
I've always found this very annoying, even back in the day... It's the only thing that bothers me when playing bw again. I would be glad if they changed it.
Highgamer
Profile Joined October 2015
1448 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-03 20:08:37
May 03 2017 20:07 GMT
#42
Just my opinion, but I'm against any changes to anything that changes how the game itself is played.

It's part of BW that the inputs have to be super precise and that control is incredibly hard. If you take that away you destroy my game, yes, even the keyboard-mouse-input-conflict.

Arguments about playability, especially making it easier than it is for new (or old) players - that's what all the proposed changes are about at the core - are all valid, they all make the game easier or more convenient if you want to put it that way.
But no, I feel this game is meant to be exactly how it is, with all the quirks as absurd and annoying as they may be. That it it has been like this forever is part of what makes this game nostalgic and awesome. Make a new one if you want another.

What's the point in getting angry about losing a game here and there for these random difficulties? They're even for everyone. Practicing more makes the problem go away.

I just see a lurking danger here, considering what happened to SC2.
"It's just a minor change, it's unintended, only that one."... Give somebody an inch, and... + Show Spoiler +
tomorrow we have smart casting... YES, this is a possible end of the story. But of course today it sounds absurd and I shouldn't bother...
Chosi
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Germany1304 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-05 20:15:11
May 05 2017 20:13 GMT
#43
Your example isn't a good one. Good players already adopted to this and are not really impacted. So fixing that would change nothing for them at all. Smartcasting would change the game for everyone dramatically. Fixing this would take away frustration from new or lower tier players (like me), but it would not give me an edge or advantage or anything. When the game ignores your commands, that is no different from having lags or packet loss. It will frustrate you but there is not really anything you can do about it. It is a ridiculous idea that moving your focus to releasing the mouse before pressing the keyboard is something you will ever be able to do while playing Starcraft, unless you are sub 30 APM (and even then I doubt it).
And even if you really want to consider this an advantage that is granted to the bottom segment of players, what's the impact? Imagine having a really tense and close game and then winning because half your opponents army did not enter the final battle because the game ignored the commands he gave. That's like winning a 45 minute game because your opponent had a disconnect. That sucks for everyone. This needs to be fixed.
Someday, you’re going to fuck up so magnificently, so ambitiously, so overwhelmingly that the sky will light up and the moons will spin and the gods themselves will shit comets with glee. And I just hope I’m still around to see it.
Kau *
Profile Joined March 2007
Canada3500 Posts
May 05 2017 20:28 GMT
#44
I always have this happen to my control groups so that's why I spam them to 1a2a3a4a two or three times. Another way around this is to never play for the late game where you need that many control groups.
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Chosi
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Germany1304 Posts
May 05 2017 21:35 GMT
#45
I can't tell you why but I seem to do that all the time. Somewhere in time I just internalized releasing the mouse while clicking the buttons and so I start struggling with this the moment i have more than one control group. Playing Terran you have a second group the moment you have the first medic and you lose games the moment that 1-3 medics don't follow your marines right away. When you do 1a2a3a and it results in 1aa3a and just by that you lose the game, you want to break your keyboard.
Someday, you’re going to fuck up so magnificently, so ambitiously, so overwhelmingly that the sky will light up and the moons will spin and the gods themselves will shit comets with glee. And I just hope I’m still around to see it.
N-KO
Profile Joined April 2017
25 Posts
May 24 2017 16:41 GMT
#46
Bump because this is important
B-royal
Profile Joined May 2015
Belgium1330 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-24 18:28:57
May 24 2017 18:28 GMT
#47
Yeah it's important to keep the status quo. If this would get changed, I will be microing 2 control groups of mutalisk every game with absolute ease. Even more so if it gets combined with custom hotkeys.
new BW-player (~E rank fish) twitch.tv/crispydrone || What plays 500 games a season but can't get better? => http://imgur.com/a/pLzf9 <= ||
N-KO
Profile Joined April 2017
25 Posts
May 24 2017 19:25 GMT
#48
This would only improve the micro of players who hold down the mouse click button for longer than others. So if you're quick to let go M1 it shouldn't change anything, however mouse release time blocking keyboard inputs is an interesting discussion, it would be an even field if it was removed in a sense, and it would still reward the faster player.
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
May 24 2017 20:57 GMT
#49
On May 25 2017 03:28 B-royal wrote:
Yeah it's important to keep the status quo. If this would get changed, I will be microing 2 control groups of mutalisk every game with absolute ease. Even more so if it gets combined with custom hotkeys.

WTF? No.
N-KO
Profile Joined April 2017
25 Posts
May 24 2017 22:07 GMT
#50
On May 25 2017 05:57 -Archangel- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2017 03:28 B-royal wrote:
Yeah it's important to keep the status quo. If this would get changed, I will be microing 2 control groups of mutalisk every game with absolute ease. Even more so if it gets combined with custom hotkeys.

WTF? No.


Yea I wanted to say just that but I was going to get the "lol under 20 posts" reply.
mca64Launcher_
Profile Joined June 2015
Poland629 Posts
May 24 2017 22:28 GMT
#51
On April 20 2017 23:48 marwin wrote:
First I discovered this issue when I bought cherry mx switchers keyboard. Some of my actions were just "ignored". I realized at that time that holding one of the mouse buttons pressed completely blocked the keyboard input. I ran WC3 and I was surprised that there was no such problem there. I contacted MCA, described the problem and he figured out how to fix it. So now you have an option in MCA Launcher - Shitty Plugin > Keyboard Access > Fix keyboard ignoring (it could sound differently in english version of MCA cause I've translated it from russian).
Conclusion: In my opinion this issue should be completely fixed at least in Remastered.



i remember this, good old times
Lachrymose
Profile Joined February 2008
Australia1928 Posts
May 25 2017 01:04 GMT
#52
On May 25 2017 07:07 N-KO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2017 05:57 -Archangel- wrote:
On May 25 2017 03:28 B-royal wrote:
Yeah it's important to keep the status quo. If this would get changed, I will be microing 2 control groups of mutalisk every game with absolute ease. Even more so if it gets combined with custom hotkeys.

WTF? No.


Yea I wanted to say just that but I was going to get the "lol under 20 posts" reply.

Well Archangel is just going to get a "you don't play Broodwar and won't for more than 2 days at most if HD catches your eye and have no interest or understanding in the longevity of the game and your primary motivation seems to be validating your ideas about what is and is not good about SC2. Please stop." reply anyway. Same thing.
~
B-royal
Profile Joined May 2015
Belgium1330 Posts
May 25 2017 01:42 GMT
#53
On May 25 2017 05:57 -Archangel- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2017 03:28 B-royal wrote:
Yeah it's important to keep the status quo. If this would get changed, I will be microing 2 control groups of mutalisk every game with absolute ease. Even more so if it gets combined with custom hotkeys.

WTF? No.


Eh yes, I can and I will. And I shudder to think what the pro's will be able to do when H/P are on more accessible keys, combined with the fact that switching between control groups and performing your shots will become easy as hell.

new BW-player (~E rank fish) twitch.tv/crispydrone || What plays 500 games a season but can't get better? => http://imgur.com/a/pLzf9 <= ||
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4383 Posts
May 25 2017 06:29 GMT
#54
Just fix it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
May 25 2017 09:45 GMT
#55
On May 25 2017 10:04 Lachrymose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2017 07:07 N-KO wrote:
On May 25 2017 05:57 -Archangel- wrote:
On May 25 2017 03:28 B-royal wrote:
Yeah it's important to keep the status quo. If this would get changed, I will be microing 2 control groups of mutalisk every game with absolute ease. Even more so if it gets combined with custom hotkeys.

WTF? No.


Yea I wanted to say just that but I was going to get the "lol under 20 posts" reply.

Well Archangel is just going to get a "you don't play Broodwar and won't for more than 2 days at most if HD catches your eye and have no interest or understanding in the longevity of the game and your primary motivation seems to be validating your ideas about what is and is not good about SC2. Please stop." reply anyway. Same thing.

Your Elitism and douchebaggery is over 9000 atm.
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
May 25 2017 09:47 GMT
#56
On May 25 2017 10:42 B-royal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2017 05:57 -Archangel- wrote:
On May 25 2017 03:28 B-royal wrote:
Yeah it's important to keep the status quo. If this would get changed, I will be microing 2 control groups of mutalisk every game with absolute ease. Even more so if it gets combined with custom hotkeys.

WTF? No.


Eh yes, I can and I will. And I shudder to think what the pro's will be able to do when H/P are on more accessible keys, combined with the fact that switching between control groups and performing your shots will become easy as hell.


I agree with you completely. The game will surely be too easy. It is way too easy now. I can micro 3 groups of mutalisks with one hand.. on keyboard only. Since I think it is only fair everyone becomes as l33t as me, BW Remastered should also remove mouse support.
Only then the true skill of the game can shine.
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4383 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-25 09:49:41
May 25 2017 09:49 GMT
#57
Where were all these whiners when they allowed rally to be set with right click?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
Lachrymose
Profile Joined February 2008
Australia1928 Posts
May 25 2017 09:53 GMT
#58
On May 25 2017 18:45 -Archangel- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2017 10:04 Lachrymose wrote:
On May 25 2017 07:07 N-KO wrote:
On May 25 2017 05:57 -Archangel- wrote:
On May 25 2017 03:28 B-royal wrote:
Yeah it's important to keep the status quo. If this would get changed, I will be microing 2 control groups of mutalisk every game with absolute ease. Even more so if it gets combined with custom hotkeys.

WTF? No.


Yea I wanted to say just that but I was going to get the "lol under 20 posts" reply.

Well Archangel is just going to get a "you don't play Broodwar and won't for more than 2 days at most if HD catches your eye and have no interest or understanding in the longevity of the game and your primary motivation seems to be validating your ideas about what is and is not good about SC2. Please stop." reply anyway. Same thing.

Your Elitism and douchebaggery is over 9000 atm.

It's not elitism. I don't care how bad at Broodwar you are. I care that you don't actually care about Broodwar.
~
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-25 09:57:13
May 25 2017 09:55 GMT
#59
On May 25 2017 18:53 Lachrymose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2017 18:45 -Archangel- wrote:
On May 25 2017 10:04 Lachrymose wrote:
On May 25 2017 07:07 N-KO wrote:
On May 25 2017 05:57 -Archangel- wrote:
On May 25 2017 03:28 B-royal wrote:
Yeah it's important to keep the status quo. If this would get changed, I will be microing 2 control groups of mutalisk every game with absolute ease. Even more so if it gets combined with custom hotkeys.

WTF? No.


Yea I wanted to say just that but I was going to get the "lol under 20 posts" reply.

Well Archangel is just going to get a "you don't play Broodwar and won't for more than 2 days at most if HD catches your eye and have no interest or understanding in the longevity of the game and your primary motivation seems to be validating your ideas about what is and is not good about SC2. Please stop." reply anyway. Same thing.

Your Elitism and douchebaggery is over 9000 atm.

It's not elitism. I don't care how bad at Broodwar you are. I care that you don't actually care about Broodwar.

I do care about Broodwar, I want it to succeed and replace SC2 as main esport RTS in Korea and the West. But unlike you I understand that it needs some (to you painful) changes to succeed.

The issue in this topic should be fixed, it is more of a bug then a balance concern. Talking like it is not is pure elitism.
Lachrymose
Profile Joined February 2008
Australia1928 Posts
May 25 2017 10:03 GMT
#60
On May 25 2017 18:55 -Archangel- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2017 18:53 Lachrymose wrote:
On May 25 2017 18:45 -Archangel- wrote:
On May 25 2017 10:04 Lachrymose wrote:
On May 25 2017 07:07 N-KO wrote:
On May 25 2017 05:57 -Archangel- wrote:
On May 25 2017 03:28 B-royal wrote:
Yeah it's important to keep the status quo. If this would get changed, I will be microing 2 control groups of mutalisk every game with absolute ease. Even more so if it gets combined with custom hotkeys.

WTF? No.


Yea I wanted to say just that but I was going to get the "lol under 20 posts" reply.

Well Archangel is just going to get a "you don't play Broodwar and won't for more than 2 days at most if HD catches your eye and have no interest or understanding in the longevity of the game and your primary motivation seems to be validating your ideas about what is and is not good about SC2. Please stop." reply anyway. Same thing.

Your Elitism and douchebaggery is over 9000 atm.

It's not elitism. I don't care how bad at Broodwar you are. I care that you don't actually care about Broodwar.

I do care about Broodwar, I want it to succeed and replace SC2 as main esport RTS in Korea and the West. But unlike you I understand that it needs some (to your painful) changes to succeed.

The issue in this topic should be fixed, it is more of a bug then a balance concern. Talking like it is not is pure elitism.

Broodwar is what it is. Turning it into something it's not isn't the way forward. SC2 design paradigms will land it right next to SC2.
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