StarCraft v1.18a Patch Notes; Preparation for SC:R - Page 17

On March 29 2017 04:52 beg wrote:

I'm downloading Dota2, SC2 and HotS to get a definite answer. Will probably post results in 24 hours.

On March 29 2017 04:44 Lorch wrote:
Preparation != Patch is live

You can log onto US East/West right now if you don't believe me. The patch will come out on Thursday for all regions.

On March 29 2017 04:56 ted. wrote:


Not working for me?

The game tries to install "1.16.0" and then it gets rejected because it says I already have "1.16.1"

Is patch up and working for anyone else?

On March 29 2017 04:03 Philoctetes wrote:
It is not a matter of updating. LAN latency for SC is also not the same as latency in single player, and neither is instantanious, as the game isn't forced to update prematurely just because it got an input/command.

BW and SC2 use the same amount of bandwith. A game like HoN uses about 10x as much. I played SC with a 28.8 baud modem. The netcode was written for that. Right now, I am on 1gbit fibreglass. Yet Blizzard seems to be forcing me to play with delay, because a player might be laggy and their netcode is too lazy to handle it smartly.


Just like the SC2 engine is fundamentally flawed to facilitate a crisp microable RTS, so their SC2 netcode has no regard for what type of game it is going to facilitate. Why? Because most of their player base doesn't seem to care. They never had as a design criteria for their netcode: "Ok guys. We need to find multiple tricks to keep this inbuild delay as low as possible, and come up with some intricate code for it." No. They just put in a delay, routed peer to peer, and that's that.

It is the same way as their game engine fundamentally doesn't alllow proper micro, because what kind of control the game engine would lead to was never a consideration in the minds or discussions of those that wrote the code at that time.

On March 29 2017 05:18 Dapper_Cad wrote:


I am now very irate. I don't know how I shall sleep. I am only rage now. Thank you for showing me the light.

On March 29 2017 05:19 ted. wrote:
Ok, I reinstalled, it's working.

I logged onto east, but patch 1.18 is not live yet.

On March 29 2017 07:15 Shield wrote:
Could someone please summarise when HD is expected or is it this patch? Do we need to buy HD version?

On March 29 2017 00:24 beg wrote:

Yes, it does have delay.
Are you playing Dota2 regularly? Then you probably got used to the delay. Try playing HotS for a few weeks and then go back to Dota2. You will become aware of the forced delay

Both SC2 and Dota2 have forced delay.

Some evidence for SC2: http://gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/65049/how-long-is-starcraft-2s-typical-input-delay-compared-to-other-competitive-game

Evidence for Dota2: http://dev.dota2.com/archive/index.php/t-39845.html

Note, I have tested the delay in both games about 2 years ago. I'm not just relying on anecdotal evidence.


I wasn't talking about this video, but from my experience. The delay in SC2 and Dota2 is pretty obvious, imho.

On March 29 2017 07:52 Nixer wrote:

Dota 2 does not have a "forced delay", that is a myth.

On March 29 2017 08:24 Nixer wrote:
The reason why you might've thought you experienced a forced delay, by that I mean an artificial one to emulate the the WC3 experience in Dota, is because of UDP interpolation and lack of network prediction. The reason they haven't made a predictive systems is that they don't work that well for an ARTS/RTS unlike for an FPS. This can inherently make it feel delayed depending on the interpolation settings and servers, which Valve has improved during and since the beta. However this certainly is not an effort to emulate the experience of WC3 or anything among those lines nor on purpose per se, hence my initial reaction.

I guess you could technically call this artificial delay but that's often misunderstood. This system also has its advantages compared to other solutions.

Oh and not to mention other input issues and bugs which definitely were not on purpose.

On March 29 2017 08:40 GoShox wrote:
BTW, the work Blizz today gave us Brood War USA-1 back, which is awesome

Also, I have four maps show up in my game list like this: + Show Spoiler +

I just did a fresh install and these four maps (Fighting Spirit, Circuit Breaker, Andromeda, Jade) are nowhere to be found in my maps folder. I can't imagine Blizzard using the iCCup versions of maps if they were to add them, so I feel like either 1. ShieldBattery is affecting this somehow (tec would know the answer to that) or 2. BW keeps your most recent maps in another location, even during a complete reinstall. In any event, I'd be curious to hear if anyone else sees anything like this

On March 29 2017 09:51 Moonsalt wrote:
Not sure how I feel about keybinds costumization.. one of the biggest parts about BW was that it was very hard mechanically. I hope they keep it that way....