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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51690 Posts
August 26 2016 05:01 GMT
#1561
On April 04 2005 15:19 jtan wrote:
Ive got an idea of learning quick, but it requires someone to practice with: Do like this: select a matchup, say pvt, then switch races every game. So for example:

1. noob gets zealotrushed-->dies
2. noob zealotrushes-->dies because of wall
3. noob builds wall-->gets goonrushed-->dies
4. noob goonrushes-->Dies to tankmicro
5. noob builds wall and micro his tank-->dies to dt drop
6. noob drops dts...... and so on.

Never tried it exactly this way, but it sounds fun, and its the way I learned...only much slower >.<
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zion
Profile Joined June 2003
Belgium31 Posts
August 26 2016 08:10 GMT
#1562
no invite .
legalize the herb
Wrath
Profile Blog Joined July 2014
3175 Posts
August 26 2016 08:48 GMT
#1563
On August 26 2016 17:10 zion wrote:
no invite .


You are not a lone. You can play BW on ICCUP
BornToPun
Profile Joined October 2012
United States38 Posts
August 26 2016 12:16 GMT
#1564
Got my invite! Observing some games right now. the whole experience is really smooth. Great work everyone!
EndingLife
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States1605 Posts
August 26 2016 13:05 GMT
#1565
Why would you remove random from the game?
EndingLife
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States1605 Posts
August 26 2016 13:09 GMT
#1566
On August 23 2016 01:59 duke91 wrote:
If you play random vs random, will it avoid mirror matchups as on ICCUP? Will you implement true random vs "avoid mirror" random vs random?

Iccup doesn't avoid mirror matchups when playing random vs random. Why in the world wouldn't you implement a random?
Looks like a lot of people will be waiting for BW HD
SCC-Faust
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3736 Posts
August 26 2016 14:46 GMT
#1567
On August 26 2016 22:09 EndingLife wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2016 01:59 duke91 wrote:
If you play random vs random, will it avoid mirror matchups as on ICCUP? Will you implement true random vs "avoid mirror" random vs random?

Iccup doesn't avoid mirror matchups when playing random vs random. Why in the world wouldn't you implement a random?
Looks like a lot of people will be waiting for BW HD


I've read your post like 50 times and still don't understand it.
I want to fuck Soulkey with a Zelderan.
tec27
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States3707 Posts
August 26 2016 15:28 GMT
#1568
On August 26 2016 22:09 EndingLife wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2016 01:59 duke91 wrote:
If you play random vs random, will it avoid mirror matchups as on ICCUP? Will you implement true random vs "avoid mirror" random vs random?

Iccup doesn't avoid mirror matchups when playing random vs random. Why in the world wouldn't you implement a random?
Looks like a lot of people will be waiting for BW HD

When I said "not implementing a random", it means "we use BW's random algorithm", not that you cannot play random on ShieldBattery.

And yes, that algorithm does avoid mirror matchups in random vs random, see the post I linked on the previous page:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/413197-few-mirrors-when-both-players-random#18
Can you jam with the console cowboys in cyberspace?
Little-Chimp
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada949 Posts
August 26 2016 15:29 GMT
#1569
I'm in.

IT'S HAPPENING ARTOSIS
EndingLife
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States1605 Posts
August 26 2016 16:16 GMT
#1570
Why would you want to avoid mirror matchups in random vs random? It's part of the game, and it's part of random vs random. Makes no sense :/
Kau *
Profile Joined March 2007
Canada3502 Posts
August 26 2016 16:21 GMT
#1571
On August 27 2016 01:16 EndingLife wrote:
Why would you want to avoid mirror matchups in random vs random? It's part of the game, and it's part of random vs random. Makes no sense :/


That would be a question only Blizzard can answer unfortunately.
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pheer
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
5403 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-26 16:25:49
August 26 2016 16:22 GMT
#1572
OK, guys, read the post that tec linked to.

He is not saying avoid, as in completely avoid. He is using the exact same algorithm that BW uses, which avoids the likelihood that mirror matchups will occur. The BW algorithm favors non-mirror-matchups so they don't happen as much.

So yes, mirror matchups will still happen, at the exact same weighted randomness that they currently do in regular BW, iccup, fish... the same! Exact same! Nothing is different.
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SCC-Faust
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3736 Posts
August 26 2016 16:28 GMT
#1573
On August 27 2016 01:16 EndingLife wrote:
It's part of the game, and it's part of random vs random.


No it isn't lol
I want to fuck Soulkey with a Zelderan.
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36402 Posts
August 26 2016 18:55 GMT
#1574
On August 27 2016 01:16 EndingLife wrote:
Why would you want to avoid mirror matchups in random vs random? It's part of the game, and it's part of random vs random. Makes no sense :/

i think you're just misunderstanding how the BW random algorithm works

its just less likely of a mirror, not completely avoid, and its been this way for 15 years lol
@Hot_Bid on Twitter - ESPORTS life since 2010 - http://i.imgur.com/U2psw.png
tec27
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States3707 Posts
August 26 2016 19:25 GMT
#1575
On August 27 2016 03:55 Hot_Bid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2016 01:16 EndingLife wrote:
Why would you want to avoid mirror matchups in random vs random? It's part of the game, and it's part of random vs random. Makes no sense :/

i think you're just misunderstanding how the BW random algorithm works

its just less likely of a mirror, not completely avoid, and its been this way for 15 years lol

18*

RvR is really uncommon anyway. I imagine Blizzard was mostly trying to keep team games diverse, but for whatever reason also applied it to 1v1s. In any case, I don't really have a problem with it existing that way, and Eriador (I think) wants it that way, so I'm fine with it
Can you jam with the console cowboys in cyberspace?
Sonny-
Profile Joined July 2016
47 Posts
August 26 2016 21:00 GMT
#1576
So from what I've read and seen everything works pretty smoothly. Wouldn't it be time to invite some more people to get the servers a bit more crowdy and see how it's holding up? And with that I mean including people with a little less shitty specs *wink* *wink*
Qwyn
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2781 Posts
August 26 2016 21:43 GMT
#1577
Thank you for the invite . I'm going to get some good friends into BW and we're all going to have fun learning together.
"Think of the hysteria following the realization that they consciously consume babies and raise the dead people from their graves" - N0
Excalibur_Z
Profile Joined October 2002
United States12252 Posts
August 27 2016 04:23 GMT
#1578
On August 27 2016 04:25 tec27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2016 03:55 Hot_Bid wrote:
On August 27 2016 01:16 EndingLife wrote:
Why would you want to avoid mirror matchups in random vs random? It's part of the game, and it's part of random vs random. Makes no sense :/

i think you're just misunderstanding how the BW random algorithm works

its just less likely of a mirror, not completely avoid, and its been this way for 15 years lol

18*

RvR is really uncommon anyway. I imagine Blizzard was mostly trying to keep team games diverse, but for whatever reason also applied it to 1v1s. In any case, I don't really have a problem with it existing that way, and Eriador (I think) wants it that way, so I'm fine with it


The RANDOMINATOR is a fraud who has skated by for years via not being tested with mirror matchups!
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fearthequeen
Profile Joined November 2011
United States788 Posts
August 27 2016 04:37 GMT
#1579
1v1 RvR = 5% mirror
2v2 RRvRR = 95% will be XXYZ (where XYZ are the 3 races)
NAKR`flying
Akasha
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States261 Posts
August 27 2016 05:04 GMT
#1580
Got in, however I'm horrible Playing computers a bit tho
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