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Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4128 Posts
May 14 2016 13:38 GMT
#281
WOW this is the best news for BW ever!! Hopefully this helps to attract tons of new players to the game.

THANK YOU SO MUCH OP AND TEAM!
c3rberUs
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Japan11286 Posts
May 14 2016 14:04 GMT
#282
On May 14 2016 22:12 King_of_Blades wrote:
Awesome news! Just a quick question though, I can see that you're advertising a lot of new window-mode options, however, since launchers like mc64 already offer wide range of fullscreen resolutions, why not implement regular HD fullscreen? Atm, they are considered "hacks" since you can have better overview, however, if you implement them as a norm, I believe that would work perfect. Window-mode is part of that era you're trying to replace and tbh, it should just die already :>

Well the thing is not everyone likes to use fullscreen. People with bigger screens sometimes tend to use windowed mode so BW will look more natural (same with other people in a bunch of other games I've seen.) Some streamers too also use windowed mode but I don't know if it's a necessity for them.
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Hadoken!
Profile Joined May 2016
8 Posts
May 14 2016 14:05 GMT
#283
The only reason I stopped playing BW was because I couldn't find any matches online. This is a dream coming true!

Can Blizzard sue you guys though?
TaShadan
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany1977 Posts
May 14 2016 14:29 GMT
#284
Great news. Unfortunately 8-10 years too late. Not coming back to BW
I wish you guys good luck!
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Jaedrik
Profile Joined June 2015
113 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-14 16:35:15
May 14 2016 16:24 GMT
#285
On May 13 2016 15:24 tec27 wrote:

Show nested quote +
On May 13 2016 09:36 9heart wrote:
isnt playing at resolutions other than 640x480 considered an unfair advantage/hacks and generally frowned upon? i know for a fact its not allowed in fishladder or iccup tournaments

Our windowed mode does scaling, it doesn't change how much of the map is visible. It's akin to W-Mode's 2x mode, but unlike that, we can scale to any resolution and do it fully GPU-accelerated (which both makes it much more performant *and* allows for doing a higher quality scale).


On May 14 2016 22:12 King_of_Blades wrote:
Awesome news! Just a quick question though, I can see that you're advertising a lot of new window-mode options, however, since launchers like mc64 already offer wide range of fullscreen resolutions, why not implement regular HD fullscreen? Atm, they are considered "hacks" since you can have better overview, however, if you implement them as a norm, I believe that would work perfect. Window-mode is part of that era you're trying to replace and tbh, it should just die already :>

It's a disappointing, self-imposed limitation.
Sad, we're clinging to a bygone era's limitations as if it's integral to the beauty of Brood War.
It's not. The beauty lies in its game design, which is eternal and would only be enhanced by modern interface standards.
Wrath
Profile Blog Joined July 2014
3174 Posts
May 14 2016 16:31 GMT
#286
You can't login or create an account until you receive a closed beta invitation. That is the whole point of a closed beta
And you're right, there's no password retrieval method yet, but there will be before go into the open beta.


Thanks for answering.

After watching GTR's video multiple times. I noticed that the web interface seems to have no support for Keyboard shortcuts. It seems like if we want to create a new game we must click on the "Create game" icon and so on. I wonder if this will be handled later to be as close as possible to the in game interface for Battle.net.

It is really easy to use the keyboard shortcuts for creating games and so, it makes your life easier. Hopefully this will be implemented.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50466 Posts
May 14 2016 16:33 GMT
#287
The problem with doing a proper HD scaling is that the sprites would have to be messed around with, and that's going to be a big no-no from blizz
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Jaedrik
Profile Joined June 2015
113 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-14 16:37:30
May 14 2016 16:36 GMT
#288
On May 15 2016 01:33 BLinD-RawR wrote:
The problem with doing a proper HD scaling is that the sprites would have to be messed around with, and that's going to be a big no-no from blizz

Given what they're doing already I think that step is nothing, unless Blizzard arbitrarily decides "okay, now you're crossing the arbitrary line."
Either way, I doubt the problem you present. There are... resolution expander hacks for BW out there already that don't mess with the sprites, at least to my knowledge.
Capresis
Profile Joined September 2008
United States518 Posts
May 14 2016 16:38 GMT
#289
Can I have a list of contributors so I can bow whenever I pass them in the halls of TL?
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50466 Posts
May 14 2016 16:45 GMT
#290
On May 15 2016 01:38 Capricis wrote:
Can I have a list of contributors so I can bow whenever I pass them in the halls of TL?

tec27 and 2Pacalypse-
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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Probemicro
Profile Joined February 2014
3708 Posts
May 14 2016 16:51 GMT
#291
On May 15 2016 01:36 Jaedrik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2016 01:33 BLinD-RawR wrote:
The problem with doing a proper HD scaling is that the sprites would have to be messed around with, and that's going to be a big no-no from blizz

Given what they're doing already I think that step is nothing, unless Blizzard arbitrarily decides "okay, now you're crossing the arbitrary line."
Either way, I doubt the problem you present. There are... resolution expander hacks for BW out there already that don't mess with the sprites, at least to my knowledge.


the game has been played competitively in the current way for >15 years, there are purists that want to play the game as it is.

if you introduce things like hotkey changers and scaled HD resolution, nobody hardcore about the game (especially koreans where they form the vast majority of current BW playerbase) will treat this server seriously. you think the current korean pros who have trained immensely under the default setup will like it when they see newbies playing with changed hotkeys and expanded res? they will laugh it off as a joke server for casuals

B-royal
Profile Joined May 2015
Belgium1330 Posts
May 14 2016 16:52 GMT
#292
I don't want anyone to have a larger view while in game, that's obviously cheating and changing the game.

These features have their place when observing, but not when playing.

What would you call this by the way? Is a resolution change always concomitant with a bigger overview? Or is it because we don't change the sprites that this would be a necessary consequence? In other words, if we were to update sprites and thus create more pixels we could have a higher resolution without having a bigger view in game?
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Jaedrik
Profile Joined June 2015
113 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-14 17:04:01
May 14 2016 16:58 GMT
#293
On May 15 2016 01:51 Probemicro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2016 01:36 Jaedrik wrote:
On May 15 2016 01:33 BLinD-RawR wrote:
The problem with doing a proper HD scaling is that the sprites would have to be messed around with, and that's going to be a big no-no from blizz

Given what they're doing already I think that step is nothing, unless Blizzard arbitrarily decides "okay, now you're crossing the arbitrary line."
Either way, I doubt the problem you present. There are... resolution expander hacks for BW out there already that don't mess with the sprites, at least to my knowledge.


the game has been played competitively in the current way for >15 years, there are purists that want to play the game as it is.

if you introduce things like hotkey changers and scaled HD resolution, nobody hardcore about the game (especially koreans where they form the vast majority of current BW playerbase) will treat this server seriously. you think the current korean pros who have trained immensely under the default setup will like it when they see newbies playing with changed hotkeys and expanded res? they will laugh it off as a joke server for casuals



Precedent is no good excuse. And... for some reason, I doubt the honest existence of such so-called 'purists.'
I think there'd be considerable demand, among everyone, for these changes. Your hypotheticals seem contrived imo.

On May 15 2016 01:52 B-royal wrote:
I don't want anyone to have a larger view while in game, that's obviously cheating and changing the game.

These features have their place when observing, but not when playing.

What would you call this by the way? Is a resolution change always concomitant with a bigger overview? Or is it because we don't change the sprites that this would be a necessary consequence? In other words, if we were to update sprites and thus create more pixels we could have a higher resolution without having a bigger view in game?


It's not cheating, properly defined, if it's a standard feature available to everyone. I thought that'd be obvious.
There is no good reason to not increase the overview imo.
Probemicro
Profile Joined February 2014
3708 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-14 17:11:09
May 14 2016 17:07 GMT
#294
On May 15 2016 01:58 Jaedrik wrote:

Precedent is no good excuse. And... for some reason, I doubt the honest existence of such so-called 'purists.'
I think there'd be considerable demand, among everyone, for these changes. I highly doubt your hypotheticals.



they only ones asking for these changes are new players/casuals, like you.
unlike you i follow the scene closely and i know by instinct and heart that the hardcore fanatic koreans who love this game to bits will certainly not appreciate such changes.

someone who never follow the scene or even play the game anyway have no right to tell me what hypothetical and whats not. koreans have many bad impressions of foerigners in the past, when they see such 'cheaty" features in this server what do you think they will say??

if you like your GRAPHICS so much, you know theres a pretty rts game called sc2 out there right?
-NegativeZero-
Profile Joined August 2011
United States2142 Posts
May 14 2016 17:11 GMT
#295
On May 15 2016 01:24 Jaedrik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2016 15:24 tec27 wrote:

On May 13 2016 09:36 9heart wrote:
isnt playing at resolutions other than 640x480 considered an unfair advantage/hacks and generally frowned upon? i know for a fact its not allowed in fishladder or iccup tournaments

Our windowed mode does scaling, it doesn't change how much of the map is visible. It's akin to W-Mode's 2x mode, but unlike that, we can scale to any resolution and do it fully GPU-accelerated (which both makes it much more performant *and* allows for doing a higher quality scale).


Show nested quote +
On May 14 2016 22:12 King_of_Blades wrote:
Awesome news! Just a quick question though, I can see that you're advertising a lot of new window-mode options, however, since launchers like mc64 already offer wide range of fullscreen resolutions, why not implement regular HD fullscreen? Atm, they are considered "hacks" since you can have better overview, however, if you implement them as a norm, I believe that would work perfect. Window-mode is part of that era you're trying to replace and tbh, it should just die already :>

It's a disappointing, self-imposed limitation.
Sad, we're clinging to a bygone era's limitations as if it's integral to the beauty of Brood War.
It's not. The beauty lies in its game design, which is eternal and would only be enhanced by modern interface standards.

the real concern is probably balance, if one player has a higher resolution monitor they can see more of the map at a time and will have an advantage
vibeo gane,
duke91
Profile Joined April 2014
Germany1458 Posts
May 14 2016 17:22 GMT
#296
On May 14 2016 23:05 Hadoken! wrote:
The only reason I stopped playing BW was because I couldn't find any matches online. This is a dream coming true!

Can Blizzard sue you guys though?


Blizzard won't dare to sue. The shitstorm would be immense. It would only reveal to the world what a shit company Blizzard has become with its questionable practices. If Blizzard sues, it would just create advertisement
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Piste
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
6179 Posts
May 14 2016 17:27 GMT
#297
At first glance this seemed great, something that could gather koreans, foreigners and newcomers all together in pne place. But yeah custom hotkeys and resolution hacks is something that won't attract older players.
MarineCA1
Profile Joined June 2015
93 Posts
May 14 2016 17:29 GMT
#298
they only ones asking for these changes are new players/casuals, like you.
unlike you i follow the scene closely and i know by instinct and heart that the hardcore fanatic koreans who love this game to bits will certainly not appreciate such changes.

someone who never follow the scene or even play the game anyway have no right to tell me what hypothetical and whats not. koreans have many bad impressions of foerigners in the past, when they see such 'cheaty" features in this server what do you think they will say??

if you like your GRAPHICS so much, you know theres a pretty rts game called sc2 out there right?


I honestly prefer broodwar graphics, cause it gives me the dark and gritty atmosphere, which feels more "starcraft".
Piste
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
6179 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-14 17:31:00
May 14 2016 17:30 GMT
#299
At first glance this seemed great, something that could gather koreans, foreigners and newcomers all together in pne place. But yeah custom hotkeys and resolution hacks is something that won't attract the current player pool, there's a reason why they're frowned upon at the current ladders.
Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
May 14 2016 17:53 GMT
#300
On May 15 2016 02:30 Piste wrote:
At first glance this seemed great, something that could gather koreans, foreigners and newcomers all together in pne place. But yeah custom hotkeys and resolution hacks is something that won't attract the current player pool, there's a reason why they're frowned upon at the current ladders.

Excellent thing that they're not putting in custom hotkeys or resolution hacks, then, right? They're just doing resolution scaling, which doesn't introduce more visuals to one player over another.
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