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WinterViewbot420
Profile Blog Joined December 2015
345 Posts
April 01 2016 16:27 GMT
#161
On April 02 2016 01:23 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
I will congratulate this bot guy,he alone managed to troll the active bw community,he dodge a ban from mods(talks about the mods we have)he also create an amazing guide to fish server that is mostly ok for korean speakers missing important information like u need 48 hours and 30 melee wins to play ladder,and now he saying that korean xenophobe is justified.so i clap for him.clap clap badass!

Oh fuck off Sir Salt. You're pissed because after saying that making some Korean friends and learning Korean was useless this came up. Wait till the Fish owner gets back from Japan and have fun on iCCup for not taking my advice.

It's the Korean server, you need to respect this. We all do.

User was temp banned for this post.
Probemicro
Profile Joined February 2014
3708 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-01 16:30:04
April 01 2016 16:27 GMT
#162
On April 02 2016 01:23 WinterViewbot420 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2016 01:20 Probemicro wrote:
On April 02 2016 01:16 WinterViewbot420 wrote:
On April 02 2016 00:51 Probemicro wrote:
On April 02 2016 00:23 GeckoXp wrote:
On April 01 2016 23:30 Probemicro wrote:
On April 01 2016 23:24 GeckoXp wrote:
On April 01 2016 23:10 WinterViewbot420 wrote:
IMO part of the phone number thing is that foreigners need to get to know Koreans and learn some basic Korean. It's a Korean server meant for Korean players. How would you guys feel if I just came on TL and only spoke Chinese or something? You'd want me out of here because nobody could understand what I was saying. It's not that you didn't like me, it's that you didn't even know if I was cool or not because you had no clue what I was even trying to communicate.


I remember how the Dutch founder of this page started to ban everyone posting in English and restricting download and forum access to those who had a Dutch passport.


..realises its much better to let everyone share their passion of BW irregardless of race and it was opened up eventually.

fish is going the other way round. your point?


sarcasm


yes while you are here munching your popcorn and trying to be funny with historical quips, would like to thank you for also being staunch believer in the closed systems like as advocated by fish admins, helping to put a nail on BW eventual coffin too.

You do realize this was because smurfing was so out of control people were leaving the ladder, right?


...and you do realise that it will not really curb smurfing, right? or are you naive as well

It was. Thousands of accounts for smurfing are created every week. Melee is a disaster because of it and getting into ladder is ten times harder than it should be.


or are just creating excuses for yourself rather than improving? iccup is there as an easier alternative, you dont have to play only peruvians. and in fact fish melee is relatively easy tbh, fuck i once saw a player with 20 apm. the smurfs provide a good challenge and aren't exactly insurmountable unless you are a whiny noobfuck.

also acting like you an authority when you are just a new player yourself. korean american trying to act like mainland korean, funny shit


[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6537 Posts
April 01 2016 16:29 GMT
#163
On April 02 2016 01:27 WinterViewbot420 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2016 01:23 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
I will congratulate this bot guy,he alone managed to troll the active bw community,he dodge a ban from mods(talks about the mods we have)he also create an amazing guide to fish server that is mostly ok for korean speakers missing important information like u need 48 hours and 30 melee wins to play ladder,and now he saying that korean xenophobe is justified.so i clap for him.clap clap badass!

Oh fuck off Sir Salt. You're pissed because after saying that making some Korean friends and learning Korean was useless this came up. Wait till the Fish owner gets back from Japan and have fun on iCCup for not taking my advice.

It's the Korean server, you need to respect this. We all do.

thanks
WinterViewbot420
Profile Blog Joined December 2015
345 Posts
April 01 2016 16:32 GMT
#164
On April 02 2016 01:27 Probemicro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2016 01:23 WinterViewbot420 wrote:
On April 02 2016 01:20 Probemicro wrote:
On April 02 2016 01:16 WinterViewbot420 wrote:
On April 02 2016 00:51 Probemicro wrote:
On April 02 2016 00:23 GeckoXp wrote:
On April 01 2016 23:30 Probemicro wrote:
On April 01 2016 23:24 GeckoXp wrote:
On April 01 2016 23:10 WinterViewbot420 wrote:
IMO part of the phone number thing is that foreigners need to get to know Koreans and learn some basic Korean. It's a Korean server meant for Korean players. How would you guys feel if I just came on TL and only spoke Chinese or something? You'd want me out of here because nobody could understand what I was saying. It's not that you didn't like me, it's that you didn't even know if I was cool or not because you had no clue what I was even trying to communicate.


I remember how the Dutch founder of this page started to ban everyone posting in English and restricting download and forum access to those who had a Dutch passport.


..realises its much better to let everyone share their passion of BW irregardless of race and it was opened up eventually.

fish is going the other way round. your point?


sarcasm


yes while you are here munching your popcorn and trying to be funny with historical quips, would like to thank you for also being staunch believer in the closed systems like as advocated by fish admins, helping to put a nail on BW eventual coffin too.

You do realize this was because smurfing was so out of control people were leaving the ladder, right?


...and you do realise that it will not really curb smurfing, right? or are you naive as well

It was. Thousands of accounts for smurfing are created every week. Melee is a disaster because of it and getting into ladder is ten times harder than it should be.


or are just creating excuses for yourself rather than improving? iccup is there as an easier alternative, you dont have to play only peruvians. and in fact fish melee is relatively easy tbh, fuck i once saw a player with 20 apm. the smurfs provide a good challenge and aren't exactly insurmountable unless you are a whiny noobfuck.

also acting like you an authority when you are just a new player yourself. korean american trying to act like mainland korean, funny shit



I'm the only one providing news and I'm a translator for Fish staff. I'm in no way an authority. Also this isn't a problem with me, it's a problem that thousands of people complain about. Trust me when I say I hate the whining from noobs just as much as you but smurfing is a fundamental flaw in the Fish Server. This is the best they can do without totally locking out foreigners.

If you really want something done, you guys can all put up a list of viable alternatives than the phone number thing and I'll be sure to show Turtle.
SuGo
Profile Joined March 2013
United States681 Posts
April 01 2016 16:32 GMT
#165
On April 02 2016 01:27 Probemicro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2016 01:23 WinterViewbot420 wrote:
On April 02 2016 01:20 Probemicro wrote:
On April 02 2016 01:16 WinterViewbot420 wrote:
On April 02 2016 00:51 Probemicro wrote:
On April 02 2016 00:23 GeckoXp wrote:
On April 01 2016 23:30 Probemicro wrote:
On April 01 2016 23:24 GeckoXp wrote:
On April 01 2016 23:10 WinterViewbot420 wrote:
IMO part of the phone number thing is that foreigners need to get to know Koreans and learn some basic Korean. It's a Korean server meant for Korean players. How would you guys feel if I just came on TL and only spoke Chinese or something? You'd want me out of here because nobody could understand what I was saying. It's not that you didn't like me, it's that you didn't even know if I was cool or not because you had no clue what I was even trying to communicate.


I remember how the Dutch founder of this page started to ban everyone posting in English and restricting download and forum access to those who had a Dutch passport.


..realises its much better to let everyone share their passion of BW irregardless of race and it was opened up eventually.

fish is going the other way round. your point?


sarcasm


yes while you are here munching your popcorn and trying to be funny with historical quips, would like to thank you for also being staunch believer in the closed systems like as advocated by fish admins, helping to put a nail on BW eventual coffin too.

You do realize this was because smurfing was so out of control people were leaving the ladder, right?


...and you do realise that it will not really curb smurfing, right? or are you naive as well

It was. Thousands of accounts for smurfing are created every week. Melee is a disaster because of it and getting into ladder is ten times harder than it should be.


or are just creating excuses for yourself rather than improving? iccup is there as an easier alternative, you dont have to play only peruvians. and in fact fish melee is relatively easy tbh, fuck i once saw a player with 20 apm. the smurfs provide a good challenge and aren't exactly insurmountable unless you are a whiny noobfuck.

also acting like you an authority when you are just a new player yourself. korean american trying to act like mainland korean, funny shit





+1. Stop acting like an authority. You're a no one. Even if we all lose out on playing Fish, just remember that you will still remain a no one. I understand when someone like Scan voices his opinion on this matter but he's also got an amazing reputation. People do tend to put more faith in those who actually have skill. iCCUP is complete trash but I still feel like you wouldn't even get B- there lol.
SolaR-
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
United States2685 Posts
April 01 2016 16:35 GMT
#166
I like how he tries to act like it's not that bad by saying you can still play melee!!!!!

Yeah man we really are going to get the practice we want by playing those scrubs.. When have koreans ever been banned from an entire ladder? Never. Tournaments are a different discussion, so don't mention them.
GeckoXp
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Germany2016 Posts
April 01 2016 16:37 GMT
#167
On April 02 2016 01:23 WinterViewbot420 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2016 01:20 Probemicro wrote:
On April 02 2016 01:16 WinterViewbot420 wrote:
On April 02 2016 00:51 Probemicro wrote:
On April 02 2016 00:23 GeckoXp wrote:
On April 01 2016 23:30 Probemicro wrote:
On April 01 2016 23:24 GeckoXp wrote:
On April 01 2016 23:10 WinterViewbot420 wrote:
IMO part of the phone number thing is that foreigners need to get to know Koreans and learn some basic Korean. It's a Korean server meant for Korean players. How would you guys feel if I just came on TL and only spoke Chinese or something? You'd want me out of here because nobody could understand what I was saying. It's not that you didn't like me, it's that you didn't even know if I was cool or not because you had no clue what I was even trying to communicate.


I remember how the Dutch founder of this page started to ban everyone posting in English and restricting download and forum access to those who had a Dutch passport.


..realises its much better to let everyone share their passion of BW irregardless of race and it was opened up eventually.

fish is going the other way round. your point?


sarcasm


yes while you are here munching your popcorn and trying to be funny with historical quips, would like to thank you for also being staunch believer in the closed systems like as advocated by fish admins, helping to put a nail on BW eventual coffin too.

You do realize this was because smurfing was so out of control people were leaving the ladder, right?


...and you do realise that it will not really curb smurfing, right? or are you naive as well

It was. Thousands of accounts for smurfing are created every week. Melee is a disaster because of it and getting into ladder is ten times harder than it should be.


Yeah, guess what. Casual users at ICCup complain about the same shit for I don't know how long. Korea is not magically better at tackling this particular issue. As a matter of fact, it will more likely hurt them in the long run. Casuals tend to overestimate their skill and overvalue their losses. Even if they somehow manage to get a 50% win rate, they'll be convinced they should win more. Their losses are explained by the "good players smurfing". Even if the smurfs turn out to be just slightly better and a lot worse than the actual pros, which FISH has a lot of. I can only applaud that FISH admins decided to attack this situation not by trying to bind accounts to the BW owner, a MAC adress or whatnot, but to farm for private data, which they in turn can use to actually make money.

As far as the racist card goes: I don't think Koreans are racist, they're just ignorant. They don't care about the rest of the world, not positively or negatively, as their community is well enough to sustain on itself. Racism would imply the main reason of the policy is to shut out the rest. They just never thought of it. You defending their intentions is just ridiculous if you don't care, if you do, it's offending as shit.
SuGo
Profile Joined March 2013
United States681 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-01 16:41:40
April 01 2016 16:41 GMT
#168
Also - if you're not an authority stop defending and giving ridiculous reasons to defend all of this. Just give us the news and translation and go about your way.

You sitting here with your bias and authoritative tone is what is causing folks to hate you.
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10111 Posts
April 01 2016 16:44 GMT
#169
So many salty people in this thread, simultaneously telling WinterViewBot that he is not an authority but getting mad at him for the situation, lol.

Even if he is a newcomer and has no clout, he apparently can still translate from Korean to English, and is the only one to have done so (until Scan came in way later). Would Scan have even made a thread like this, or would we have been blindsided by this change? Impossible to say now, but the fact remains that he's trying to be proactive and provide stuff for TeamLiquid and you guys are shitting on him because he's new, is bad at StarCraft, doesn't actually live in Korea (lol?), and other wholly irrelevant facts. Y'all acting worse than the supposedly xenophobic Koreans.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
SolaR-
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
United States2685 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-01 16:50:04
April 01 2016 16:48 GMT
#170
On April 02 2016 01:44 Jealous wrote:
So many salty people in this thread, simultaneously telling WinterViewBot that he is not an authority but getting mad at him for the situation, lol.

Even if he is a newcomer and has no clout, he apparently can still translate from Korean to English, and is the only one to have done so (until Scan came in way later). Would Scan have even made a thread like this, or would we have been blindsided by this change? Impossible to say now, but the fact remains that he's trying to be proactive and provide stuff for TeamLiquid and you guys are shitting on him because he's new, is bad at StarCraft, doesn't actually live in Korea (lol?), and other wholly irrelevant facts. Y'all acting worse than the supposedly xenophobic Koreans.


Yet again you have a selective reading problem. People don't like him because he has a very authoritative tone without any credentials or history. He has not even been understanding of our concerns or at least to try and undertsand our perspective. He's one-sided and blindlessly agrees with anything the fish admins or koreans in general decide. He then continues to get an attitude when you disagree with him. Need i say more?
SuGo
Profile Joined March 2013
United States681 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-01 16:51:35
April 01 2016 16:49 GMT
#171
On April 02 2016 01:44 Jealous wrote:
So many salty people in this thread, simultaneously telling WinterViewBot that he is not an authority but getting mad at him for the situation, lol.

Even if he is a newcomer and has no clout, he apparently can still translate from Korean to English, and is the only one to have done so (until Scan came in way later). Would Scan have even made a thread like this, or would we have been blindsided by this change? Impossible to say now, but the fact remains that he's trying to be proactive and provide stuff for TeamLiquid and you guys are shitting on him because he's new, is bad at StarCraft, doesn't actually live in Korea (lol?), and other wholly irrelevant facts. Y'all acting worse than the supposedly xenophobic Koreans.



I'm totally cool with him providing us news, translating, etc. I can appreciate and respect that. But to then continually defend what's going on with an authoritative "Yes, I'm friends with Turtle!!" and bias tone is what's caused all of this. If he's going to give news, just give it, and go about your way. But if you've been keeping tabs on this guy's posts since he joined TL, every post he makes is seemingly condescending, carries a tone of bigotry, and acts like he is the Fish authority. Obviously people will react a certain way, even if it's attacking him on wholly irrelevant facts. In my opinion, he deserves it.
SuGo
Profile Joined March 2013
United States681 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-01 16:51:05
April 01 2016 16:50 GMT
#172
NEUTRALITY AS A REPORTER.
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10111 Posts
April 01 2016 16:51 GMT
#173
On April 02 2016 01:48 SolaR- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2016 01:44 Jealous wrote:
So many salty people in this thread, simultaneously telling WinterViewBot that he is not an authority but getting mad at him for the situation, lol.

Even if he is a newcomer and has no clout, he apparently can still translate from Korean to English, and is the only one to have done so (until Scan came in way later). Would Scan have even made a thread like this, or would we have been blindsided by this change? Impossible to say now, but the fact remains that he's trying to be proactive and provide stuff for TeamLiquid and you guys are shitting on him because he's new, is bad at StarCraft, doesn't actually live in Korea (lol?), and other wholly irrelevant facts. Y'all acting worse than the supposedly xenophobic Koreans.


Yet again you have a selective reading problem. People don't like him because he has a very authoritative tone without any credentials or history. He has not even been understanding of our concerns or at least to try and undertsand our perspective. He's one-sided and blindlessly agrees with anything the fish admins or koreans in general decide. He then continues to get an attitude when you disagree with him. Need i say more?

So he's not allowed to defend actions he finds rational? He's not allowed an opinion? Posting possible explanations/reasons for the change is the same as being one-sided and agreeing "blindlessly?" Ok, got it.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
SuGo
Profile Joined March 2013
United States681 Posts
April 01 2016 16:53 GMT
#174
On April 02 2016 01:51 Jealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2016 01:48 SolaR- wrote:
On April 02 2016 01:44 Jealous wrote:
So many salty people in this thread, simultaneously telling WinterViewBot that he is not an authority but getting mad at him for the situation, lol.

Even if he is a newcomer and has no clout, he apparently can still translate from Korean to English, and is the only one to have done so (until Scan came in way later). Would Scan have even made a thread like this, or would we have been blindsided by this change? Impossible to say now, but the fact remains that he's trying to be proactive and provide stuff for TeamLiquid and you guys are shitting on him because he's new, is bad at StarCraft, doesn't actually live in Korea (lol?), and other wholly irrelevant facts. Y'all acting worse than the supposedly xenophobic Koreans.


Yet again you have a selective reading problem. People don't like him because he has a very authoritative tone without any credentials or history. He has not even been understanding of our concerns or at least to try and undertsand our perspective. He's one-sided and blindlessly agrees with anything the fish admins or koreans in general decide. He then continues to get an attitude when you disagree with him. Need i say more?

So he's not allowed to defend actions he finds rational? He's not allowed an opinion? Posting possible explanations/reasons for the change is the same as being one-sided and agreeing "blindlessly?" Ok, got it.


I think this has more to do with him feeling like he is 'ENTITLED.' It's this authoritative mindset which has given him (as what he perceives) as entitlement and that's where this tone comes out. It riles folks up. Frankly, it is what it is. I can troll with the best of them. But this is definitely why people do not enjoy this guy, to say the least. So much to the point where people don't even care about the news he gives us anymore lol.
SolaR-
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
United States2685 Posts
April 01 2016 16:55 GMT
#175
On April 02 2016 01:51 Jealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2016 01:48 SolaR- wrote:
On April 02 2016 01:44 Jealous wrote:
So many salty people in this thread, simultaneously telling WinterViewBot that he is not an authority but getting mad at him for the situation, lol.

Even if he is a newcomer and has no clout, he apparently can still translate from Korean to English, and is the only one to have done so (until Scan came in way later). Would Scan have even made a thread like this, or would we have been blindsided by this change? Impossible to say now, but the fact remains that he's trying to be proactive and provide stuff for TeamLiquid and you guys are shitting on him because he's new, is bad at StarCraft, doesn't actually live in Korea (lol?), and other wholly irrelevant facts. Y'all acting worse than the supposedly xenophobic Koreans.


Yet again you have a selective reading problem. People don't like him because he has a very authoritative tone without any credentials or history. He has not even been understanding of our concerns or at least to try and undertsand our perspective. He's one-sided and blindlessly agrees with anything the fish admins or koreans in general decide. He then continues to get an attitude when you disagree with him. Need i say more?

So he's not allowed to defend actions he finds rational? He's not allowed an opinion? Posting possible explanations/reasons for the change is the same as being one-sided and agreeing "blindlessly?" Ok, got it.


Did i say he can't defend his own opinion? I said he speaks with an authoritative tone and fails to at least see or understand our perspective. Hes not democratic at all about this. Attitude goes a long way with people not liking you.
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10111 Posts
April 01 2016 16:58 GMT
#176
On April 02 2016 01:53 ProtossGG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2016 01:51 Jealous wrote:
On April 02 2016 01:48 SolaR- wrote:
On April 02 2016 01:44 Jealous wrote:
So many salty people in this thread, simultaneously telling WinterViewBot that he is not an authority but getting mad at him for the situation, lol.

Even if he is a newcomer and has no clout, he apparently can still translate from Korean to English, and is the only one to have done so (until Scan came in way later). Would Scan have even made a thread like this, or would we have been blindsided by this change? Impossible to say now, but the fact remains that he's trying to be proactive and provide stuff for TeamLiquid and you guys are shitting on him because he's new, is bad at StarCraft, doesn't actually live in Korea (lol?), and other wholly irrelevant facts. Y'all acting worse than the supposedly xenophobic Koreans.


Yet again you have a selective reading problem. People don't like him because he has a very authoritative tone without any credentials or history. He has not even been understanding of our concerns or at least to try and undertsand our perspective. He's one-sided and blindlessly agrees with anything the fish admins or koreans in general decide. He then continues to get an attitude when you disagree with him. Need i say more?

So he's not allowed to defend actions he finds rational? He's not allowed an opinion? Posting possible explanations/reasons for the change is the same as being one-sided and agreeing "blindlessly?" Ok, got it.


I think this has more to do with him feeling like he is 'ENTITLED.' It's this authoritative mindset which has given him (as what he perceives) as entitlement and that's where this tone comes out. It riles folks up. Frankly, it is what it is. I can troll with the best of them. But this is definitely why people do not enjoy this guy, to say the least. So much to the point where people don't even care about the news he gives us anymore lol.

Rofl, that's pretty sad ): Not as in pathetic sad, but as in it's depressing that his contributions get outweighed by his posting history. This is how we lose contributors, even if they might be questionable posters. Fuck, I'm still around somehow, and my "contributions" have been far less useful to the scene and my crimes much greater, lol.

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"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
SuGo
Profile Joined March 2013
United States681 Posts
April 01 2016 17:00 GMT
#177
On April 02 2016 01:55 SolaR- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2016 01:51 Jealous wrote:
On April 02 2016 01:48 SolaR- wrote:
On April 02 2016 01:44 Jealous wrote:
So many salty people in this thread, simultaneously telling WinterViewBot that he is not an authority but getting mad at him for the situation, lol.

Even if he is a newcomer and has no clout, he apparently can still translate from Korean to English, and is the only one to have done so (until Scan came in way later). Would Scan have even made a thread like this, or would we have been blindsided by this change? Impossible to say now, but the fact remains that he's trying to be proactive and provide stuff for TeamLiquid and you guys are shitting on him because he's new, is bad at StarCraft, doesn't actually live in Korea (lol?), and other wholly irrelevant facts. Y'all acting worse than the supposedly xenophobic Koreans.


Yet again you have a selective reading problem. People don't like him because he has a very authoritative tone without any credentials or history. He has not even been understanding of our concerns or at least to try and undertsand our perspective. He's one-sided and blindlessly agrees with anything the fish admins or koreans in general decide. He then continues to get an attitude when you disagree with him. Need i say more?

So he's not allowed to defend actions he finds rational? He's not allowed an opinion? Posting possible explanations/reasons for the change is the same as being one-sided and agreeing "blindlessly?" Ok, got it.


Did i say he can't defend his own opinion? I said he speaks with an authoritative tone and fails to at least see or understand our perspective. Hes not democratic at all about this. Attitude goes a long way with people not liking you.


Agree with Solar-.

No one can deny the fact that him giving us news, translation, etc is great. I can respect him 'TRYING' to foster the foreign community a bit. But this is not the right way. At this rate, we rather just hear thru the grapevine (and yes, we would've heard this news even with out him...)
SuGo
Profile Joined March 2013
United States681 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-01 17:14:06
April 01 2016 17:02 GMT
#178
On April 02 2016 01:58 Jealous wrote:
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On April 02 2016 01:53 ProtossGG wrote:
On April 02 2016 01:51 Jealous wrote:
On April 02 2016 01:48 SolaR- wrote:
On April 02 2016 01:44 Jealous wrote:
So many salty people in this thread, simultaneously telling WinterViewBot that he is not an authority but getting mad at him for the situation, lol.

Even if he is a newcomer and has no clout, he apparently can still translate from Korean to English, and is the only one to have done so (until Scan came in way later). Would Scan have even made a thread like this, or would we have been blindsided by this change? Impossible to say now, but the fact remains that he's trying to be proactive and provide stuff for TeamLiquid and you guys are shitting on him because he's new, is bad at StarCraft, doesn't actually live in Korea (lol?), and other wholly irrelevant facts. Y'all acting worse than the supposedly xenophobic Koreans.


Yet again you have a selective reading problem. People don't like him because he has a very authoritative tone without any credentials or history. He has not even been understanding of our concerns or at least to try and undertsand our perspective. He's one-sided and blindlessly agrees with anything the fish admins or koreans in general decide. He then continues to get an attitude when you disagree with him. Need i say more?

So he's not allowed to defend actions he finds rational? He's not allowed an opinion? Posting possible explanations/reasons for the change is the same as being one-sided and agreeing "blindlessly?" Ok, got it.


I think this has more to do with him feeling like he is 'ENTITLED.' It's this authoritative mindset which has given him (as what he perceives) as entitlement and that's where this tone comes out. It riles folks up. Frankly, it is what it is. I can troll with the best of them. But this is definitely why people do not enjoy this guy, to say the least. So much to the point where people don't even care about the news he gives us anymore lol.

Rofl, that's pretty sad ): Not as in pathetic sad, but as in it's depressing that his contributions get outweighed by his posting history. This is how we lose contributors, even if they might be questionable posters. Fuck, I'm still around somehow, and my "contributions" have been far less useful to the scene and my crimes much greater, lol.

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Lol. Yes, well, I guess "first impressions" do go a long way, indeed.

EDIT: He's temp banned now. Guess that tone of his did not go such a long way after all.
Me_ToKa
Profile Joined September 2009
Bulgaria309 Posts
April 01 2016 18:08 GMT
#179
On April 01 2016 08:05 LaStScan wrote:

You can always have a chance to talk to the admins.


How many of Fish admins knows english and most important will be willing to help foreigners to dodge SMS verification??

On April 01 2016 23:47 CaucasianAsian wrote:
인증된 아이디와 20전 이상의 전적이 있는 아이디에 한해 래더 게임이 가능합니다.

Ladder matches are restricted only to verified IDs and IDs that have more than 20 games.


One by one (SMS and 20 games) or both together??


Everyone is xenophobic or/and racist less or more!
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
April 01 2016 20:12 GMT
#180
On April 02 2016 02:02 ProtossGG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2016 01:58 Jealous wrote:
On April 02 2016 01:53 ProtossGG wrote:
On April 02 2016 01:51 Jealous wrote:
On April 02 2016 01:48 SolaR- wrote:
On April 02 2016 01:44 Jealous wrote:
So many salty people in this thread, simultaneously telling WinterViewBot that he is not an authority but getting mad at him for the situation, lol.

Even if he is a newcomer and has no clout, he apparently can still translate from Korean to English, and is the only one to have done so (until Scan came in way later). Would Scan have even made a thread like this, or would we have been blindsided by this change? Impossible to say now, but the fact remains that he's trying to be proactive and provide stuff for TeamLiquid and you guys are shitting on him because he's new, is bad at StarCraft, doesn't actually live in Korea (lol?), and other wholly irrelevant facts. Y'all acting worse than the supposedly xenophobic Koreans.


Yet again you have a selective reading problem. People don't like him because he has a very authoritative tone without any credentials or history. He has not even been understanding of our concerns or at least to try and undertsand our perspective. He's one-sided and blindlessly agrees with anything the fish admins or koreans in general decide. He then continues to get an attitude when you disagree with him. Need i say more?

So he's not allowed to defend actions he finds rational? He's not allowed an opinion? Posting possible explanations/reasons for the change is the same as being one-sided and agreeing "blindlessly?" Ok, got it.


I think this has more to do with him feeling like he is 'ENTITLED.' It's this authoritative mindset which has given him (as what he perceives) as entitlement and that's where this tone comes out. It riles folks up. Frankly, it is what it is. I can troll with the best of them. But this is definitely why people do not enjoy this guy, to say the least. So much to the point where people don't even care about the news he gives us anymore lol.

Rofl, that's pretty sad ): Not as in pathetic sad, but as in it's depressing that his contributions get outweighed by his posting history. This is how we lose contributors, even if they might be questionable posters. Fuck, I'm still around somehow, and my "contributions" have been far less useful to the scene and my crimes much greater, lol.

[image loading]


Lol. Yes, well, I guess "first impressions" do go a long way, indeed.

EDIT: He's temp banned now. Guess that tone of his did not go such a long way after all.


He's perma banned he said this site is stupid .
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