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Cryoc
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany912 Posts
January 02 2020 17:33 GMT
#6421
Maybe he didn't have a templar archives at the time for +2? Hard to answer your question without the specific replay.
http://www.twitch.tv/cryoc
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10295 Posts
January 02 2020 17:47 GMT
#6422
On January 03 2020 00:59 Timebon3s wrote:
I was watching some bisu replays and noticed that he was researching armor instead of attack @ forge while going carrier.
What is the reason for this? I thought armor was very bad against terran.

Do you possibly mean plasma shields? Going plasma shield makes sense because it affects both Carriers and ground army.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
Timebon3s
Profile Joined May 2018
Norway764 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-01-02 18:03:00
January 02 2020 17:53 GMT
#6423
Nope it was +1 armor and he had not upgraded +1 weapons or plasma shields.
It could be a blunder thought because it seems wierd. Maby his brain mistook it for another cybernetics core and meant to get air armor :p

http://bwreplays.com/br90m

here is the replay
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8546 Posts
January 07 2020 09:40 GMT
#6424
Repost this game! Pimpest play!

Watch from here, or , if you want, watch the whole game!
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8166 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-01-07 15:31:36
January 07 2020 15:31 GMT
#6425
Remember how back in the day Jaedong would have super sick scourge timing in ZvT and fly in with his leftover mutas and 2 scourge and snipe T's first vessel as soon as it popped out? How come we never see that from anyone anymore? My guess is a combination of: no zerg is THAT good any more, Ts are better at protecting their vessels, and 111 is so popular with so many variations that timings are way harder to get right for Z (easier to know the right timing when every T was going 3rax every game for years).
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pheer
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
5398 Posts
January 07 2020 15:39 GMT
#6426
I miss seeing 12 vessels getting plagued and then popped 3 at a time with 1 muta
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Timebon3s
Profile Joined May 2018
Norway764 Posts
January 07 2020 17:13 GMT
#6427
I think we just have to accept that people were just better back in the days.
I wont deny that the strategies and tactics have improved, but apm, multitasking and overall game mechanics that came from playing 12 hours a day with a bunch of pros cant be swepped under the carpet
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10295 Posts
January 07 2020 20:26 GMT
#6428
I think that saying "their mechanics aren't good enough" is an oversimplification that likely misses the more pertinent issue, which is build diversity. Around the time I recall Jaedong doing this, was around the time of 3 Tank 1 Vessel push being the most popular go-to push before Defiler/Consume timing. Vessels popped out reliably at around the same time, which can be confirmed with a Zergling or a quick poke with the Muta stack.

Nowadays, we have a greater variety of builds on (mostly) less "figured-out" maps with far less (basically none afaik) coaching staff support. This results in much more variability of Vessel timings, much less confidence in which variation is chosen, etc. That's my best guess, but I am admittedly not as up-to-date in TvZ so i invite someone more knowledgeable to correct me if need be.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8546 Posts
January 07 2020 21:05 GMT
#6429
Zero (Queen), Light , Best and Action having a good time

I must learn korean !!!!


Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10700 Posts
January 07 2020 21:59 GMT
#6430
On January 07 2020 18:40 prosatan wrote:
Repost this game! Pimpest play!

Watch from here, or , if you want, watch the whole game!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR1chIXkNBM&t=2190s

This was a cool game, fun seeing an Overlord micro a reaver instead of a shuttle lol
AKA: TelecoM[WHITE] Protoss fighting
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
January 07 2020 22:48 GMT
#6431
On January 08 2020 00:31 Ideas wrote:
Remember how back in the day Jaedong would have super sick scourge timing in ZvT and fly in with his leftover mutas and 2 scourge and snipe T's first vessel as soon as it popped out? How come we never see that from anyone anymore? My guess is a combination of: no zerg is THAT good any more, Ts are better at protecting their vessels, and 111 is so popular with so many variations that timings are way harder to get right for Z (easier to know the right timing when every T was going 3rax every game for years).


I seem to recall at least attempts at this happening in the first half of 2019?

Also it does definitely still happen for ZvP trying to get the second Corsair I think?
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12025 Posts
January 07 2020 23:33 GMT
#6432
I'm happy for the SC2 community and WC3 community, but I can't help but feel dissapointed that blizzard (not the SCR team, they're great) left SCR to die. I can't figure out why they never tried. They cut the team immediately after the release to go work on WC3 and while I feel they never intended for SCR to launch with so many issues and they're trying to stop that happening this time, it kinda sucks that no matter how passionate the SCR team is they're so small that it'll be hard for them to really help.
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outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
January 08 2020 01:50 GMT
#6433
On January 08 2020 08:33 Qikz wrote:
I'm happy for the SC2 community and WC3 community, but I can't help but feel dissapointed that blizzard (not the SCR team, they're great) left SCR to die. I can't figure out why they never tried. They cut the team immediately after the release to go work on WC3 and while I feel they never intended for SCR to launch with so many issues and they're trying to stop that happening this time, it kinda sucks that no matter how passionate the SCR team is they're so small that it'll be hard for them to really help.


Not only they left game to die, seems like they broke so many things with all those damn patches, some scripts aren't working. Seems like they fully gave up: I didn't see any blue posts on forums in a looong time.
sunbeams are never made like me...
whaski
Profile Joined December 2012
Finland577 Posts
January 10 2020 18:11 GMT
#6434
How come Mong is streaming right now? He went to army just a while ago.
it's not just a music it's something else
Cele
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Germany4016 Posts
January 10 2020 18:27 GMT
#6435
On January 08 2020 08:33 Qikz wrote:
I'm happy for the SC2 community and WC3 community, but I can't help but feel dissapointed that blizzard (not the SCR team, they're great) left SCR to die. I can't figure out why they never tried. They cut the team immediately after the release to go work on WC3 and while I feel they never intended for SCR to launch with so many issues and they're trying to stop that happening this time, it kinda sucks that no matter how passionate the SCR team is they're so small that it'll be hard for them to really help.


I share your feelings, but its actually easy to figure out. Wc3 has a lot more viewers and players now then bw when scr was launched, specifically in the western hemisphere i mean. Thats basically the reason why.
Broodwar for life!
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10700 Posts
January 10 2020 18:40 GMT
#6436
On January 08 2020 08:33 Qikz wrote:
I'm happy for the SC2 community and WC3 community, but I can't help but feel dissapointed that blizzard (not the SCR team, they're great) left SCR to die. I can't figure out why they never tried. They cut the team immediately after the release to go work on WC3 and while I feel they never intended for SCR to launch with so many issues and they're trying to stop that happening this time, it kinda sucks that no matter how passionate the SCR team is they're so small that it'll be hard for them to really help.

I was also sad when I didn't see BW included in this upcoming event... T_T
AKA: TelecoM[WHITE] Protoss fighting
oxKnu
Profile Joined December 2017
1245 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-01-11 21:14:35
January 11 2020 21:14 GMT
#6437
On January 11 2020 03:27 Cele wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2020 08:33 Qikz wrote:
I'm happy for the SC2 community and WC3 community, but I can't help but feel dissapointed that blizzard (not the SCR team, they're great) left SCR to die. I can't figure out why they never tried. They cut the team immediately after the release to go work on WC3 and while I feel they never intended for SCR to launch with so many issues and they're trying to stop that happening this time, it kinda sucks that no matter how passionate the SCR team is they're so small that it'll be hard for them to really help.


I share your feelings, but its actually easy to figure out. Wc3 has a lot more viewers and players now then bw when scr was launched, specifically in the western hemisphere i mean. Thats basically the reason why.


This is the only sensible rationale behind all of this.

Don't forget everybody that it's all still just a business at the end of the day, especially when it comes to the financial side of things.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50643 Posts
January 12 2020 03:41 GMT
#6438
the community and other orgs have always stepped up when Blizzard have failed us, this is nothing new or anything to be truly upset about, the lack of the pro tour equivalent may be a loss but any form of organic growth from interest(through the current community) will lead to more long term retention.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10700 Posts
January 13 2020 02:12 GMT
#6439
On January 12 2020 12:41 BLinD-RawR wrote:
the community and other orgs have always stepped up when Blizzard have failed us, this is nothing new or anything to be truly upset about, the lack of the pro tour equivalent may be a loss but any form of organic growth from interest(through the current community) will lead to more long term retention.

Well said, the community always comes up with something.
AKA: TelecoM[WHITE] Protoss fighting
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10295 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-01-13 02:45:19
January 13 2020 02:16 GMT
#6440
On January 13 2020 11:12 GGzerG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2020 12:41 BLinD-RawR wrote:
the community and other orgs have always stepped up when Blizzard have failed us, this is nothing new or anything to be truly upset about, the lack of the pro tour equivalent may be a loss but any form of organic growth from interest(through the current community) will lead to more long term retention.

Well said, the community always comes up with something.

Broadly speaking, is this percentage of health issues causing alternative or non-service common for other Korean men? It seems like many Brood War players have special accommodations.

I guess there is a selection bias in that anyone who suffered from a medical condition as a child would be more likely to play Brood War than football, but still I'm curious if this kind of accommodation is common outside of pro BW.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
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