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amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
September 02 2013 03:45 GMT
#861
On September 02 2013 11:10 snipealot wrote:
Mini just got announced as a new sospa entry by sonic on fb


so when will we get some terrans or zergs? Seems like all the tosses are joining sospa
The world is burning and you rather be on this terrible website discussing video games and your shallow feelings
rauk
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States2228 Posts
September 02 2013 03:49 GMT
#862
On September 02 2013 11:34 Cele wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2013 10:08 theMagus wrote:
On September 01 2013 13:59 likeasu wrote:
jangbi is coming BACK! =)
Project twit:

"Jangbi is joining to SOSPA, he will be play on SSL very soon! It is very likely Bisu will do the same!!!"
WOW!! Its GREAT!


shit just got real in sospa!


im sry but before we get all over exited again... why would pro7ect know this for sure? He didnt provide a link to korean or anything.


pro7ect is korean, probably knows someone
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19391 Posts
September 02 2013 03:58 GMT
#863
On September 02 2013 11:34 Cele wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2013 10:08 theMagus wrote:
On September 01 2013 13:59 likeasu wrote:
jangbi is coming BACK! =)
Project twit: https://twitter.com/Pro7ecT/status/373886710611845120
"Jangbi is joining to SOSPA, he will be play on SSL very soon! It is very likely Bisu will do the same!!!"
WOW!! Its GREAT!


shit just got real in sospa!


im sry but before we get all over exited again... why would pro7ect know this for sure? He didnt provide a link to korean or anything.

Who cares? We got mini in the SSL!!!
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
NotJumperer
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States1371 Posts
September 02 2013 04:06 GMT
#864
--- Nuked ---
theMagus
Profile Joined February 2013
578 Posts
September 02 2013 04:07 GMT
#865
On September 02 2013 12:49 rauk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2013 11:34 Cele wrote:
On September 02 2013 10:08 theMagus wrote:
On September 01 2013 13:59 likeasu wrote:
jangbi is coming BACK! =)
Project twit: https://twitter.com/Pro7ecT/status/373886710611845120
"Jangbi is joining to SOSPA, he will be play on SSL very soon! It is very likely Bisu will do the same!!!"
WOW!! Its GREAT!


shit just got real in sospa!


im sry but before we get all over exited again... why would pro7ect know this for sure? He didnt provide a link to korean or anything.


pro7ect is korean, probably knows someone


this was what i was thinking about, pretty much. jangbi joining sospa isn't too far-fetched is it? i'm also just trying to be positive here
"Give away the stone. Let the oceans take and transmutate this cold and fated anchor. Let the waters kiss and transmutate these leaden grudges into gold. Let go."
theMagus
Profile Joined February 2013
578 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-02 04:20:34
September 02 2013 04:07 GMT
#866
On September 02 2013 13:06 Jumperer wrote:
jangbi is now streaming on snipealot2


i'm there!

edit: he ain't :/
"Give away the stone. Let the oceans take and transmutate this cold and fated anchor. Let the waters kiss and transmutate these leaden grudges into gold. Let go."
L3gendary
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1470 Posts
September 02 2013 04:08 GMT
#867
On September 02 2013 12:45 amazingxkcd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2013 11:10 snipealot wrote:
Mini just got announced as a new sospa entry by sonic on fb


so when will we get some terrans or zergs? Seems like all the tosses are joining sospa


We have some great terrans between sea, hiya, and ssak. Could use some more zergs but at least there's killer.
Watching Jaedong play purifies my eyes. -Coach Ju Hoon
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
September 02 2013 04:40 GMT
#868
On September 02 2013 13:07 theMagus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2013 13:06 Jumperer wrote:
jangbi is now streaming on snipealot2


i'm there!

edit: he ain't :/

ya it's Orz, dunno who that is. Supposedly he streamed yesterday but same thing happened lol.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19391 Posts
September 02 2013 04:55 GMT
#869
On September 02 2013 13:40 BigFan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2013 13:07 theMagus wrote:
On September 02 2013 13:06 Jumperer wrote:
jangbi is now streaming on snipealot2


i'm there!

edit: he ain't :/

ya it's Orz, dunno who that is. Supposedly he streamed yesterday but same thing happened lol.

I'm so sad right now. I was rdy to watch Jangbang.
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
September 02 2013 05:18 GMT
#870
On September 02 2013 08:58 snipealot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2013 08:28 SkelA wrote:
I would actually start watching BW again.... if streams were not a total shit everytime i tried to.


Anything specific I can improve?


Obviously the stream is badass. I never have any problems with the stream itself.

The only, and I mean literally only thing I have any issue with is that VOD lengths sometimes get pretty long. When they start getting 40, 60, 90+ hours, you can only jump in like 20 min increments which makes it a pain if you want to skip somewhere specific.
EffOrt and Soulkey Hwaiting!
purakushi
Profile Joined August 2012
United States3304 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-02 05:55:13
September 02 2013 05:49 GMT
#871
Yay, SC2 bringing back BW BW is forever :D

He may have been doing relatively well in SC2, but he should not play a game he does not like.

/Waits patiently for the rest of ex-BW pros to "retire".
T P Z sagi
Spazer
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada8036 Posts
September 02 2013 05:58 GMT
#872
On September 02 2013 14:18 L_Master wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2013 08:58 snipealot wrote:
On September 02 2013 08:28 SkelA wrote:
I would actually start watching BW again.... if streams were not a total shit everytime i tried to.


Anything specific I can improve?


Obviously the stream is badass. I never have any problems with the stream itself.

The only, and I mean literally only thing I have any issue with is that VOD lengths sometimes get pretty long. When they start getting 40, 60, 90+ hours, you can only jump in like 20 min increments which makes it a pain if you want to skip somewhere specific.

The twitch interface sucks. Use timecodes in the url if you want accurate skips.
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L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
September 02 2013 06:37 GMT
#873
On September 02 2013 14:58 Spazer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2013 14:18 L_Master wrote:
On September 02 2013 08:58 snipealot wrote:
On September 02 2013 08:28 SkelA wrote:
I would actually start watching BW again.... if streams were not a total shit everytime i tried to.


Anything specific I can improve?


Obviously the stream is badass. I never have any problems with the stream itself.

The only, and I mean literally only thing I have any issue with is that VOD lengths sometimes get pretty long. When they start getting 40, 60, 90+ hours, you can only jump in like 20 min increments which makes it a pain if you want to skip somewhere specific.

The twitch interface sucks. Use timecodes in the url if you want accurate skips.


My life has been revolutionized. Not sure why I didn't think of this.

Thank you!
EffOrt and Soulkey Hwaiting!
snipealot *
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Korea (South)494 Posts
September 02 2013 06:52 GMT
#874
There is also a script in the works for auto-restart every 24 hours at exactly 8AM KST - this means that in the future SRT will always begin at the exact same time in all the VODs and they will all be 24 hours long
M.R. McThundercrotch
Profile Joined June 2012
United States265 Posts
September 02 2013 06:57 GMT
#875
So, StarCraft 2 continues shrinking, causing more old Brood War pros to join amateur leagues. The influx of old pros brings heightened interest and heightened interest brings in more sponsors. More sponsors brings in more pros, rinse and repeat until a New Golden Age of Brood War is formed. Blizzard gives up on SC2 and the new Korean StarCraft scene uses the Galaxy Editor to create StarCraft Pro, a game that combines all the best ideas from both games.

Ten years down the line, Blizzard is looking to make StarCraft 3. This time, they approach the Korean pros, asking for help. The response is "You tried to destroy us last time, why should we help you?" Dejected, Blizzard seeks out the only person they can think of to help them.

Scene opens with Browder and Kim climbing a mountain. When they reach the top, they find an old, ancient monastery. They go through giant double doors, and inside is a lone man, sitting on the floor in front of a computer screen.

KIM: That's him.

BROWDER: You sure?

KIM: Yes, he's the only bonjwa who will work with us; the only man who could be our...savior.

Cut to black. Roll credits. Stinger featuring Hong Jin Ho running for Mayor of Seoul - he comes in second when the people of Korea literally write in "Slayers_Boxer." Lim Yo Hwan's first act as President is to build a bunker across the street from Yellow's house. Begin production on the sequel, working title StarCraft Wars Episode 2: the Drone Wars. In theaters soonTM.
On June 30 2012 01:42 iNcontroL wrote: Fuck a lot of you. Fuck you forever.
Birdie
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
New Zealand4438 Posts
September 02 2013 07:00 GMT
#876
Lim Yo Hwan's first act as President is to build a bunker across the street from Yellow's house.

Hahahahahaha
Red classic | A butterfly dreamed he was Zhuangzi | 4.5k, heading to 5k as support!
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
September 02 2013 07:02 GMT
#877
On September 02 2013 15:57 M.R. McThundercrotch wrote:
So, StarCraft 2 continues shrinking, causing more old Brood War pros to join amateur leagues. The influx of old pros brings heightened interest and heightened interest brings in more sponsors. More sponsors brings in more pros, rinse and repeat until a New Golden Age of Brood War is formed. Blizzard gives up on SC2 and the new Korean StarCraft scene uses the Galaxy Editor to create StarCraft Pro, a game that combines all the best ideas from both games.

Ten years down the line, Blizzard is looking to make StarCraft 3. This time, they approach the Korean pros, asking for help. The response is "You tried to destroy us last time, why should we help you?" Dejected, Blizzard seeks out the only person they can think of to help them.

Scene opens with Browder and Kim climbing a mountain. When they reach the top, they find an old, ancient monastery. They go through giant double doors, and inside is a lone man, sitting on the floor in front of a computer screen.

KIM: That's him.

BROWDER: You sure?

KIM: Yes, he's the only bonjwa who will work with us; the only man who could be our...savior.

Cut to black. Roll credits. Stinger featuring Hong Jin Ho running for Mayor of Seoul - he comes in second when the people of Korea literally write in "Slayers_Boxer." Lim Yo Hwan's first act as President is to build a bunker across the street from Yellow's house. Begin production on the sequel, working title StarCraft Wars Episode 2: the Drone Wars. In theaters soonTM.


I love you.

That was definitely worth my time haha!
EffOrt and Soulkey Hwaiting!
tRuE008
Profile Joined March 2009
United States54 Posts
September 02 2013 07:37 GMT
#878
+ Show Spoiler +
On September 02 2013 15:57 M.R. McThundercrotch wrote:
So, StarCraft 2 continues shrinking, causing more old Brood War pros to join amateur leagues. The influx of old pros brings heightened interest and heightened interest brings in more sponsors. More sponsors brings in more pros, rinse and repeat until a New Golden Age of Brood War is formed. Blizzard gives up on SC2 and the new Korean StarCraft scene uses the Galaxy Editor to create StarCraft Pro, a game that combines all the best ideas from both games.

Ten years down the line, Blizzard is looking to make StarCraft 3. This time, they approach the Korean pros, asking for help. The response is "You tried to destroy us last time, why should we help you?" Dejected, Blizzard seeks out the only person they can think of to help them.

Scene opens with Browder and Kim climbing a mountain. When they reach the top, they find an old, ancient monastery. They go through giant double doors, and inside is a lone man, sitting on the floor in front of a computer screen.

KIM: That's him.

BROWDER: You sure?

KIM: Yes, he's the only bonjwa who will work with us; the only man who could be our...savior.

Cut to black. Roll credits. Stinger featuring Hong Jin Ho running for Mayor of Seoul - he comes in second when the people of Korea literally write in "Slayers_Boxer." Lim Yo Hwan's first act as President is to build a bunker across the street from Yellow's house. Begin production on the sequel, working title StarCraft Wars Episode 2: the Drone Wars. In theaters soonTM.


Pretty much a lurker here, but unburrowed just to say how much win this post is. BW for life *burrow*
reminisce12
Profile Joined March 2012
Australia318 Posts
September 02 2013 08:29 GMT
#879
On September 01 2013 23:25 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2013 22:50 Ribbon wrote:
On September 01 2013 18:55 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:
On September 01 2013 18:12 Abort Retry Fail wrote:
On September 01 2013 16:03 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:
On September 01 2013 15:44 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On September 01 2013 15:41 StarStruck wrote:
On September 01 2013 14:42 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:
On September 01 2013 05:59 figq wrote:
Rumor has it that Bisu is next.



Awwww SHEEEEET.

Man I'm going to lose countless hours watching BW again. Literally the best news I've heard in a long time.

Really good time for Bisu to switch back too. Even with Jangbi and BeSt, Bisu has really a good record in head to heads vs all the top players in SSL atm.

With the exception of Killer who he hasn't played much, and Ssak who was a former teamate, so they've never played an official game.

Oh and Hero, who beat him a whole bunch of times in '09.


Ofc he will be next considering the KeSPA teams will be downsizing to six players, eek. Going to see a lot of guys retiring and doing other shit like SOSPA-YA!

rumored to downsize, we'll see.

6 is too little though, should be more like 8-9.


It's a shame SC2 appropriated Kespa and all it's infrastructure.

If they were to downsize to 6, enough former BW monsters might switch to sospa that we would be able to support a small BW proleague again if only we had the sponsorship

Yeah. Lets be honest. SC2 is not working.

Lets find a way to revive BW, even just the top-tier/S-Class division.


The problem is a bunch of S-class guys in a single tournament does not a esport make. BW was going fine before SC2 came along, it may have been in decline, but it was still going.

Now even if SC2 completely collapses, Kespa, and more importantly the large commercial entities involved in Kespa are unlikely to sponsor BW. Without sponsors we can't have a proleague (or similar team competition), without a proleague we can't have proper pro-teams. Without pro-teams we can't have salaried players, and without salaried players we can't have BW anywhere near what it used to be.

Basically we can take back our players, but we can't take back the infrastructure, which ironically we built in the first place. Basically unless Kespa (or another group of large sponsors) wants to put money back in BW, even SC2 collapsing isn't going to do us that much good, we will get our players back, but thats about it.


We'll just have to get new corporate overlords. I think it's really important to try to grow BW in the foreign scene, to make the sponsors like Red Bull and Razor who sponsor goddamn everything to throw some cash BW's way.


I wish that is what is going to happen, words could not adequately explain how much I wished in my heart of hearts that it could be. However, that said, call me a fatalist, I can't help but notice the odds are heavily stacked against us.

SC2 had a few things going for it that BW didn't, kinda funnily enough SC2 didn't strictly need Kespa, but BW did.

For one thing, SC2 was new, there still a sense (perhaps mistaken) among the community at the start that maybe foreign players would be competitive with the Korean scene. And for whatever reason, this was an important driving force behind the globalisation of SC2 esports. This is also why SC2 could get big foreign sponsors like Red Bull and Razor, who's primary market is outside of SK. Perhaps some strange manifestation of patriotism, why ever it is, it was important for there to be at least that illusion of the professional scene not being Koreacentric for there to be as large of a foreign fanbase as there was.

For another, SC2 has the backing of Blizzard, they want the SC2 scene to be successful, since they still have an expansion to sell.

BW has neither of these going for it. Blizzard's profits from BW sales are going to be negligible, they literally do not give a shit about BW so long as it's not interfering with SC2 sales. The question of competitiveness between the foreign scene compared to the Korean one is a question that is well and truly settled, we've had showmatches aplenty and a decade of WCGs to unequivocally disabuse us of that notion. The competitive professional scene is defined by the Korean one, while it has a loyal foreign fanbase, and it's simply not going to be profitable for foreign sponsors pick up Kespa's slack.

Which takes me back to my original quote, it's a shame SC2/Blizzard pulled out that infrastructure from underneath us. Kespa may have been inept and corrupt, but it was important to us, far more so than it was/is to SC2.

I mean it's great we get some of our players back, it's better than nothing. And I guess we can still pray for a miracle that Kespa or other large Korean companies champion the BW cause, but lets face it, the chances of BW getting back to anything like it's former glory is pretty grim. We can still be happy that the future of BW looks alot brighter than it did a week ago, and it pains me to say this, but lets not get too carried away.


Heres the thing though, if SC2 didnt have starcraft in its name, would pplz play it as esports?

BW was the most pop esports because it was a fun and deeply rich game, you cant say the same for sc2, it will eventually drop off the face of esports.
Boonbag
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
France3318 Posts
September 02 2013 08:34 GMT
#880
On September 02 2013 17:29 reminisce12 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2013 23:25 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:
On September 01 2013 22:50 Ribbon wrote:
On September 01 2013 18:55 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:
On September 01 2013 18:12 Abort Retry Fail wrote:
On September 01 2013 16:03 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:
On September 01 2013 15:44 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On September 01 2013 15:41 StarStruck wrote:
On September 01 2013 14:42 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:
On September 01 2013 05:59 figq wrote:
Rumor has it that Bisu is next.



Awwww SHEEEEET.

Man I'm going to lose countless hours watching BW again. Literally the best news I've heard in a long time.

Really good time for Bisu to switch back too. Even with Jangbi and BeSt, Bisu has really a good record in head to heads vs all the top players in SSL atm.

With the exception of Killer who he hasn't played much, and Ssak who was a former teamate, so they've never played an official game.

Oh and Hero, who beat him a whole bunch of times in '09.


Ofc he will be next considering the KeSPA teams will be downsizing to six players, eek. Going to see a lot of guys retiring and doing other shit like SOSPA-YA!

rumored to downsize, we'll see.

6 is too little though, should be more like 8-9.


It's a shame SC2 appropriated Kespa and all it's infrastructure.

If they were to downsize to 6, enough former BW monsters might switch to sospa that we would be able to support a small BW proleague again if only we had the sponsorship

Yeah. Lets be honest. SC2 is not working.

Lets find a way to revive BW, even just the top-tier/S-Class division.


The problem is a bunch of S-class guys in a single tournament does not a esport make. BW was going fine before SC2 came along, it may have been in decline, but it was still going.

Now even if SC2 completely collapses, Kespa, and more importantly the large commercial entities involved in Kespa are unlikely to sponsor BW. Without sponsors we can't have a proleague (or similar team competition), without a proleague we can't have proper pro-teams. Without pro-teams we can't have salaried players, and without salaried players we can't have BW anywhere near what it used to be.

Basically we can take back our players, but we can't take back the infrastructure, which ironically we built in the first place. Basically unless Kespa (or another group of large sponsors) wants to put money back in BW, even SC2 collapsing isn't going to do us that much good, we will get our players back, but thats about it.


We'll just have to get new corporate overlords. I think it's really important to try to grow BW in the foreign scene, to make the sponsors like Red Bull and Razor who sponsor goddamn everything to throw some cash BW's way.


I wish that is what is going to happen, words could not adequately explain how much I wished in my heart of hearts that it could be. However, that said, call me a fatalist, I can't help but notice the odds are heavily stacked against us.

SC2 had a few things going for it that BW didn't, kinda funnily enough SC2 didn't strictly need Kespa, but BW did.

For one thing, SC2 was new, there still a sense (perhaps mistaken) among the community at the start that maybe foreign players would be competitive with the Korean scene. And for whatever reason, this was an important driving force behind the globalisation of SC2 esports. This is also why SC2 could get big foreign sponsors like Red Bull and Razor, who's primary market is outside of SK. Perhaps some strange manifestation of patriotism, why ever it is, it was important for there to be at least that illusion of the professional scene not being Koreacentric for there to be as large of a foreign fanbase as there was.

For another, SC2 has the backing of Blizzard, they want the SC2 scene to be successful, since they still have an expansion to sell.

BW has neither of these going for it. Blizzard's profits from BW sales are going to be negligible, they literally do not give a shit about BW so long as it's not interfering with SC2 sales. The question of competitiveness between the foreign scene compared to the Korean one is a question that is well and truly settled, we've had showmatches aplenty and a decade of WCGs to unequivocally disabuse us of that notion. The competitive professional scene is defined by the Korean one, while it has a loyal foreign fanbase, and it's simply not going to be profitable for foreign sponsors pick up Kespa's slack.

Which takes me back to my original quote, it's a shame SC2/Blizzard pulled out that infrastructure from underneath us. Kespa may have been inept and corrupt, but it was important to us, far more so than it was/is to SC2.

I mean it's great we get some of our players back, it's better than nothing. And I guess we can still pray for a miracle that Kespa or other large Korean companies champion the BW cause, but lets face it, the chances of BW getting back to anything like it's former glory is pretty grim. We can still be happy that the future of BW looks alot brighter than it did a week ago, and it pains me to say this, but lets not get too carried away.


Heres the thing though, if SC2 didnt have starcraft in its name, would pplz play it as esports?

BW was the most pop esports because it was a fun and deeply rich game, you cant say the same for sc2, it will eventually drop off the face of esports.


well yeah i mean bw still outlasted warIII
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