• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 15:41
CEST 21:41
KST 04:41
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S Season 1 - RO8 Preview5[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt2: Progenitors8Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A: Rogue, Percival, Solar, Zoun13[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt1: Inheritors16[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt2: All Star10
Community News
Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule !7Weekly Cups (April 27-May 4): Clem takes triple0RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event12Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO12 Results12026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers25
StarCraft 2
General
Code S Season 1 - RO8 Preview Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book Weekly Cups (April 27-May 4): Clem takes triple Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO12 Results
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule ! GSL Code S Season 1 (2026) RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players
External Content
Mutation # 524 Death and Taxes The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 523 Firewall Mutation # 522 Flip My Base
Brood War
General
Quality of life changes in BW that you will like ? BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ RepMastered™: replay sharing and analyzer site Tulbo's ASL S21 Ro8 Post-Review Why there arent any 256x256 pro maps?
Tourneys
[ASL21] Ro8 Day 4 Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Fighting Spirit mining rates What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Any training maps people recommend?
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Daigo vs Menard Best of 10 Path of Exile OutLive 25 (RTS Game)
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread The Letting Off Steam Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread UK Politics Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
streaming software Strange computer issues (software) [G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
How EEG Data Can Predict Gam…
TrAiDoS
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1699 users

Jangbi retires - Page 44

Forum Index > BW General
937 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 42 43 44 45 46 47 Next All
amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
September 02 2013 03:45 GMT
#861
On September 02 2013 11:10 snipealot wrote:
Mini just got announced as a new sospa entry by sonic on fb


so when will we get some terrans or zergs? Seems like all the tosses are joining sospa
The world is burning and you rather be on this terrible website discussing video games and your shallow feelings
rauk
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States2228 Posts
September 02 2013 03:49 GMT
#862
On September 02 2013 11:34 Cele wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2013 10:08 theMagus wrote:
On September 01 2013 13:59 likeasu wrote:
jangbi is coming BACK! =)
Project twit:

"Jangbi is joining to SOSPA, he will be play on SSL very soon! It is very likely Bisu will do the same!!!"
WOW!! Its GREAT!


shit just got real in sospa!


im sry but before we get all over exited again... why would pro7ect know this for sure? He didnt provide a link to korean or anything.


pro7ect is korean, probably knows someone
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19346 Posts
September 02 2013 03:58 GMT
#863
On September 02 2013 11:34 Cele wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2013 10:08 theMagus wrote:
On September 01 2013 13:59 likeasu wrote:
jangbi is coming BACK! =)
Project twit: https://twitter.com/Pro7ecT/status/373886710611845120
"Jangbi is joining to SOSPA, he will be play on SSL very soon! It is very likely Bisu will do the same!!!"
WOW!! Its GREAT!


shit just got real in sospa!


im sry but before we get all over exited again... why would pro7ect know this for sure? He didnt provide a link to korean or anything.

Who cares? We got mini in the SSL!!!
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
NotJumperer
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States1371 Posts
September 02 2013 04:06 GMT
#864
--- Nuked ---
theMagus
Profile Joined February 2013
578 Posts
September 02 2013 04:07 GMT
#865
On September 02 2013 12:49 rauk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2013 11:34 Cele wrote:
On September 02 2013 10:08 theMagus wrote:
On September 01 2013 13:59 likeasu wrote:
jangbi is coming BACK! =)
Project twit: https://twitter.com/Pro7ecT/status/373886710611845120
"Jangbi is joining to SOSPA, he will be play on SSL very soon! It is very likely Bisu will do the same!!!"
WOW!! Its GREAT!


shit just got real in sospa!


im sry but before we get all over exited again... why would pro7ect know this for sure? He didnt provide a link to korean or anything.


pro7ect is korean, probably knows someone


this was what i was thinking about, pretty much. jangbi joining sospa isn't too far-fetched is it? i'm also just trying to be positive here
"Give away the stone. Let the oceans take and transmutate this cold and fated anchor. Let the waters kiss and transmutate these leaden grudges into gold. Let go."
theMagus
Profile Joined February 2013
578 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-02 04:20:34
September 02 2013 04:07 GMT
#866
On September 02 2013 13:06 Jumperer wrote:
jangbi is now streaming on snipealot2


i'm there!

edit: he ain't :/
"Give away the stone. Let the oceans take and transmutate this cold and fated anchor. Let the waters kiss and transmutate these leaden grudges into gold. Let go."
L3gendary
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1470 Posts
September 02 2013 04:08 GMT
#867
On September 02 2013 12:45 amazingxkcd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2013 11:10 snipealot wrote:
Mini just got announced as a new sospa entry by sonic on fb


so when will we get some terrans or zergs? Seems like all the tosses are joining sospa


We have some great terrans between sea, hiya, and ssak. Could use some more zergs but at least there's killer.
Watching Jaedong play purifies my eyes. -Coach Ju Hoon
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
September 02 2013 04:40 GMT
#868
On September 02 2013 13:07 theMagus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2013 13:06 Jumperer wrote:
jangbi is now streaming on snipealot2


i'm there!

edit: he ain't :/

ya it's Orz, dunno who that is. Supposedly he streamed yesterday but same thing happened lol.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19346 Posts
September 02 2013 04:55 GMT
#869
On September 02 2013 13:40 BigFan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2013 13:07 theMagus wrote:
On September 02 2013 13:06 Jumperer wrote:
jangbi is now streaming on snipealot2


i'm there!

edit: he ain't :/

ya it's Orz, dunno who that is. Supposedly he streamed yesterday but same thing happened lol.

I'm so sad right now. I was rdy to watch Jangbang.
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
September 02 2013 05:18 GMT
#870
On September 02 2013 08:58 snipealot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2013 08:28 SkelA wrote:
I would actually start watching BW again.... if streams were not a total shit everytime i tried to.


Anything specific I can improve?


Obviously the stream is badass. I never have any problems with the stream itself.

The only, and I mean literally only thing I have any issue with is that VOD lengths sometimes get pretty long. When they start getting 40, 60, 90+ hours, you can only jump in like 20 min increments which makes it a pain if you want to skip somewhere specific.
EffOrt and Soulkey Hwaiting!
purakushi
Profile Joined August 2012
United States3301 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-02 05:55:13
September 02 2013 05:49 GMT
#871
Yay, SC2 bringing back BW BW is forever :D

He may have been doing relatively well in SC2, but he should not play a game he does not like.

/Waits patiently for the rest of ex-BW pros to "retire".
T P Z sagi
Spazer
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada8033 Posts
September 02 2013 05:58 GMT
#872
On September 02 2013 14:18 L_Master wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2013 08:58 snipealot wrote:
On September 02 2013 08:28 SkelA wrote:
I would actually start watching BW again.... if streams were not a total shit everytime i tried to.


Anything specific I can improve?


Obviously the stream is badass. I never have any problems with the stream itself.

The only, and I mean literally only thing I have any issue with is that VOD lengths sometimes get pretty long. When they start getting 40, 60, 90+ hours, you can only jump in like 20 min increments which makes it a pain if you want to skip somewhere specific.

The twitch interface sucks. Use timecodes in the url if you want accurate skips.
Liquipedia
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
September 02 2013 06:37 GMT
#873
On September 02 2013 14:58 Spazer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2013 14:18 L_Master wrote:
On September 02 2013 08:58 snipealot wrote:
On September 02 2013 08:28 SkelA wrote:
I would actually start watching BW again.... if streams were not a total shit everytime i tried to.


Anything specific I can improve?


Obviously the stream is badass. I never have any problems with the stream itself.

The only, and I mean literally only thing I have any issue with is that VOD lengths sometimes get pretty long. When they start getting 40, 60, 90+ hours, you can only jump in like 20 min increments which makes it a pain if you want to skip somewhere specific.

The twitch interface sucks. Use timecodes in the url if you want accurate skips.


My life has been revolutionized. Not sure why I didn't think of this.

Thank you!
EffOrt and Soulkey Hwaiting!
snipealot *
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Korea (South)494 Posts
September 02 2013 06:52 GMT
#874
There is also a script in the works for auto-restart every 24 hours at exactly 8AM KST - this means that in the future SRT will always begin at the exact same time in all the VODs and they will all be 24 hours long
M.R. McThundercrotch
Profile Joined June 2012
United States265 Posts
September 02 2013 06:57 GMT
#875
So, StarCraft 2 continues shrinking, causing more old Brood War pros to join amateur leagues. The influx of old pros brings heightened interest and heightened interest brings in more sponsors. More sponsors brings in more pros, rinse and repeat until a New Golden Age of Brood War is formed. Blizzard gives up on SC2 and the new Korean StarCraft scene uses the Galaxy Editor to create StarCraft Pro, a game that combines all the best ideas from both games.

Ten years down the line, Blizzard is looking to make StarCraft 3. This time, they approach the Korean pros, asking for help. The response is "You tried to destroy us last time, why should we help you?" Dejected, Blizzard seeks out the only person they can think of to help them.

Scene opens with Browder and Kim climbing a mountain. When they reach the top, they find an old, ancient monastery. They go through giant double doors, and inside is a lone man, sitting on the floor in front of a computer screen.

KIM: That's him.

BROWDER: You sure?

KIM: Yes, he's the only bonjwa who will work with us; the only man who could be our...savior.

Cut to black. Roll credits. Stinger featuring Hong Jin Ho running for Mayor of Seoul - he comes in second when the people of Korea literally write in "Slayers_Boxer." Lim Yo Hwan's first act as President is to build a bunker across the street from Yellow's house. Begin production on the sequel, working title StarCraft Wars Episode 2: the Drone Wars. In theaters soonTM.
On June 30 2012 01:42 iNcontroL wrote: Fuck a lot of you. Fuck you forever.
Birdie
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
New Zealand4438 Posts
September 02 2013 07:00 GMT
#876
Lim Yo Hwan's first act as President is to build a bunker across the street from Yellow's house.

Hahahahahaha
Red classic | A butterfly dreamed he was Zhuangzi | 4.5k, heading to 5k as support!
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
September 02 2013 07:02 GMT
#877
On September 02 2013 15:57 M.R. McThundercrotch wrote:
So, StarCraft 2 continues shrinking, causing more old Brood War pros to join amateur leagues. The influx of old pros brings heightened interest and heightened interest brings in more sponsors. More sponsors brings in more pros, rinse and repeat until a New Golden Age of Brood War is formed. Blizzard gives up on SC2 and the new Korean StarCraft scene uses the Galaxy Editor to create StarCraft Pro, a game that combines all the best ideas from both games.

Ten years down the line, Blizzard is looking to make StarCraft 3. This time, they approach the Korean pros, asking for help. The response is "You tried to destroy us last time, why should we help you?" Dejected, Blizzard seeks out the only person they can think of to help them.

Scene opens with Browder and Kim climbing a mountain. When they reach the top, they find an old, ancient monastery. They go through giant double doors, and inside is a lone man, sitting on the floor in front of a computer screen.

KIM: That's him.

BROWDER: You sure?

KIM: Yes, he's the only bonjwa who will work with us; the only man who could be our...savior.

Cut to black. Roll credits. Stinger featuring Hong Jin Ho running for Mayor of Seoul - he comes in second when the people of Korea literally write in "Slayers_Boxer." Lim Yo Hwan's first act as President is to build a bunker across the street from Yellow's house. Begin production on the sequel, working title StarCraft Wars Episode 2: the Drone Wars. In theaters soonTM.


I love you.

That was definitely worth my time haha!
EffOrt and Soulkey Hwaiting!
tRuE008
Profile Joined March 2009
United States54 Posts
September 02 2013 07:37 GMT
#878
+ Show Spoiler +
On September 02 2013 15:57 M.R. McThundercrotch wrote:
So, StarCraft 2 continues shrinking, causing more old Brood War pros to join amateur leagues. The influx of old pros brings heightened interest and heightened interest brings in more sponsors. More sponsors brings in more pros, rinse and repeat until a New Golden Age of Brood War is formed. Blizzard gives up on SC2 and the new Korean StarCraft scene uses the Galaxy Editor to create StarCraft Pro, a game that combines all the best ideas from both games.

Ten years down the line, Blizzard is looking to make StarCraft 3. This time, they approach the Korean pros, asking for help. The response is "You tried to destroy us last time, why should we help you?" Dejected, Blizzard seeks out the only person they can think of to help them.

Scene opens with Browder and Kim climbing a mountain. When they reach the top, they find an old, ancient monastery. They go through giant double doors, and inside is a lone man, sitting on the floor in front of a computer screen.

KIM: That's him.

BROWDER: You sure?

KIM: Yes, he's the only bonjwa who will work with us; the only man who could be our...savior.

Cut to black. Roll credits. Stinger featuring Hong Jin Ho running for Mayor of Seoul - he comes in second when the people of Korea literally write in "Slayers_Boxer." Lim Yo Hwan's first act as President is to build a bunker across the street from Yellow's house. Begin production on the sequel, working title StarCraft Wars Episode 2: the Drone Wars. In theaters soonTM.


Pretty much a lurker here, but unburrowed just to say how much win this post is. BW for life *burrow*
reminisce12
Profile Joined March 2012
Australia318 Posts
September 02 2013 08:29 GMT
#879
On September 01 2013 23:25 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2013 22:50 Ribbon wrote:
On September 01 2013 18:55 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:
On September 01 2013 18:12 Abort Retry Fail wrote:
On September 01 2013 16:03 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:
On September 01 2013 15:44 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On September 01 2013 15:41 StarStruck wrote:
On September 01 2013 14:42 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:
On September 01 2013 05:59 figq wrote:
Rumor has it that Bisu is next.



Awwww SHEEEEET.

Man I'm going to lose countless hours watching BW again. Literally the best news I've heard in a long time.

Really good time for Bisu to switch back too. Even with Jangbi and BeSt, Bisu has really a good record in head to heads vs all the top players in SSL atm.

With the exception of Killer who he hasn't played much, and Ssak who was a former teamate, so they've never played an official game.

Oh and Hero, who beat him a whole bunch of times in '09.


Ofc he will be next considering the KeSPA teams will be downsizing to six players, eek. Going to see a lot of guys retiring and doing other shit like SOSPA-YA!

rumored to downsize, we'll see.

6 is too little though, should be more like 8-9.


It's a shame SC2 appropriated Kespa and all it's infrastructure.

If they were to downsize to 6, enough former BW monsters might switch to sospa that we would be able to support a small BW proleague again if only we had the sponsorship

Yeah. Lets be honest. SC2 is not working.

Lets find a way to revive BW, even just the top-tier/S-Class division.


The problem is a bunch of S-class guys in a single tournament does not a esport make. BW was going fine before SC2 came along, it may have been in decline, but it was still going.

Now even if SC2 completely collapses, Kespa, and more importantly the large commercial entities involved in Kespa are unlikely to sponsor BW. Without sponsors we can't have a proleague (or similar team competition), without a proleague we can't have proper pro-teams. Without pro-teams we can't have salaried players, and without salaried players we can't have BW anywhere near what it used to be.

Basically we can take back our players, but we can't take back the infrastructure, which ironically we built in the first place. Basically unless Kespa (or another group of large sponsors) wants to put money back in BW, even SC2 collapsing isn't going to do us that much good, we will get our players back, but thats about it.


We'll just have to get new corporate overlords. I think it's really important to try to grow BW in the foreign scene, to make the sponsors like Red Bull and Razor who sponsor goddamn everything to throw some cash BW's way.


I wish that is what is going to happen, words could not adequately explain how much I wished in my heart of hearts that it could be. However, that said, call me a fatalist, I can't help but notice the odds are heavily stacked against us.

SC2 had a few things going for it that BW didn't, kinda funnily enough SC2 didn't strictly need Kespa, but BW did.

For one thing, SC2 was new, there still a sense (perhaps mistaken) among the community at the start that maybe foreign players would be competitive with the Korean scene. And for whatever reason, this was an important driving force behind the globalisation of SC2 esports. This is also why SC2 could get big foreign sponsors like Red Bull and Razor, who's primary market is outside of SK. Perhaps some strange manifestation of patriotism, why ever it is, it was important for there to be at least that illusion of the professional scene not being Koreacentric for there to be as large of a foreign fanbase as there was.

For another, SC2 has the backing of Blizzard, they want the SC2 scene to be successful, since they still have an expansion to sell.

BW has neither of these going for it. Blizzard's profits from BW sales are going to be negligible, they literally do not give a shit about BW so long as it's not interfering with SC2 sales. The question of competitiveness between the foreign scene compared to the Korean one is a question that is well and truly settled, we've had showmatches aplenty and a decade of WCGs to unequivocally disabuse us of that notion. The competitive professional scene is defined by the Korean one, while it has a loyal foreign fanbase, and it's simply not going to be profitable for foreign sponsors pick up Kespa's slack.

Which takes me back to my original quote, it's a shame SC2/Blizzard pulled out that infrastructure from underneath us. Kespa may have been inept and corrupt, but it was important to us, far more so than it was/is to SC2.

I mean it's great we get some of our players back, it's better than nothing. And I guess we can still pray for a miracle that Kespa or other large Korean companies champion the BW cause, but lets face it, the chances of BW getting back to anything like it's former glory is pretty grim. We can still be happy that the future of BW looks alot brighter than it did a week ago, and it pains me to say this, but lets not get too carried away.


Heres the thing though, if SC2 didnt have starcraft in its name, would pplz play it as esports?

BW was the most pop esports because it was a fun and deeply rich game, you cant say the same for sc2, it will eventually drop off the face of esports.
Boonbag
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
France3318 Posts
September 02 2013 08:34 GMT
#880
On September 02 2013 17:29 reminisce12 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2013 23:25 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:
On September 01 2013 22:50 Ribbon wrote:
On September 01 2013 18:55 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:
On September 01 2013 18:12 Abort Retry Fail wrote:
On September 01 2013 16:03 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:
On September 01 2013 15:44 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On September 01 2013 15:41 StarStruck wrote:
On September 01 2013 14:42 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:
On September 01 2013 05:59 figq wrote:
Rumor has it that Bisu is next.



Awwww SHEEEEET.

Man I'm going to lose countless hours watching BW again. Literally the best news I've heard in a long time.

Really good time for Bisu to switch back too. Even with Jangbi and BeSt, Bisu has really a good record in head to heads vs all the top players in SSL atm.

With the exception of Killer who he hasn't played much, and Ssak who was a former teamate, so they've never played an official game.

Oh and Hero, who beat him a whole bunch of times in '09.


Ofc he will be next considering the KeSPA teams will be downsizing to six players, eek. Going to see a lot of guys retiring and doing other shit like SOSPA-YA!

rumored to downsize, we'll see.

6 is too little though, should be more like 8-9.


It's a shame SC2 appropriated Kespa and all it's infrastructure.

If they were to downsize to 6, enough former BW monsters might switch to sospa that we would be able to support a small BW proleague again if only we had the sponsorship

Yeah. Lets be honest. SC2 is not working.

Lets find a way to revive BW, even just the top-tier/S-Class division.


The problem is a bunch of S-class guys in a single tournament does not a esport make. BW was going fine before SC2 came along, it may have been in decline, but it was still going.

Now even if SC2 completely collapses, Kespa, and more importantly the large commercial entities involved in Kespa are unlikely to sponsor BW. Without sponsors we can't have a proleague (or similar team competition), without a proleague we can't have proper pro-teams. Without pro-teams we can't have salaried players, and without salaried players we can't have BW anywhere near what it used to be.

Basically we can take back our players, but we can't take back the infrastructure, which ironically we built in the first place. Basically unless Kespa (or another group of large sponsors) wants to put money back in BW, even SC2 collapsing isn't going to do us that much good, we will get our players back, but thats about it.


We'll just have to get new corporate overlords. I think it's really important to try to grow BW in the foreign scene, to make the sponsors like Red Bull and Razor who sponsor goddamn everything to throw some cash BW's way.


I wish that is what is going to happen, words could not adequately explain how much I wished in my heart of hearts that it could be. However, that said, call me a fatalist, I can't help but notice the odds are heavily stacked against us.

SC2 had a few things going for it that BW didn't, kinda funnily enough SC2 didn't strictly need Kespa, but BW did.

For one thing, SC2 was new, there still a sense (perhaps mistaken) among the community at the start that maybe foreign players would be competitive with the Korean scene. And for whatever reason, this was an important driving force behind the globalisation of SC2 esports. This is also why SC2 could get big foreign sponsors like Red Bull and Razor, who's primary market is outside of SK. Perhaps some strange manifestation of patriotism, why ever it is, it was important for there to be at least that illusion of the professional scene not being Koreacentric for there to be as large of a foreign fanbase as there was.

For another, SC2 has the backing of Blizzard, they want the SC2 scene to be successful, since they still have an expansion to sell.

BW has neither of these going for it. Blizzard's profits from BW sales are going to be negligible, they literally do not give a shit about BW so long as it's not interfering with SC2 sales. The question of competitiveness between the foreign scene compared to the Korean one is a question that is well and truly settled, we've had showmatches aplenty and a decade of WCGs to unequivocally disabuse us of that notion. The competitive professional scene is defined by the Korean one, while it has a loyal foreign fanbase, and it's simply not going to be profitable for foreign sponsors pick up Kespa's slack.

Which takes me back to my original quote, it's a shame SC2/Blizzard pulled out that infrastructure from underneath us. Kespa may have been inept and corrupt, but it was important to us, far more so than it was/is to SC2.

I mean it's great we get some of our players back, it's better than nothing. And I guess we can still pray for a miracle that Kespa or other large Korean companies champion the BW cause, but lets face it, the chances of BW getting back to anything like it's former glory is pretty grim. We can still be happy that the future of BW looks alot brighter than it did a week ago, and it pains me to say this, but lets not get too carried away.


Heres the thing though, if SC2 didnt have starcraft in its name, would pplz play it as esports?

BW was the most pop esports because it was a fun and deeply rich game, you cant say the same for sc2, it will eventually drop off the face of esports.


well yeah i mean bw still outlasted warIII
i really wish they go back --
Prev 1 42 43 44 45 46 47 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
BSL
19:00
RO16 Group C
Artosis vs TerrOr
spx vs StRyKeR
LiquipediaDiscussion
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
15:00
Last Chance Qualifier
RotterdaM743
uThermal634
SteadfastSC163
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 743
uThermal 634
mouzHeroMarine 356
SteadfastSC 163
BRAT_OK 57
Vindicta 18
PattyMac 8
CosmosSc2 7
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 4205
Mini 477
ZZZero.O 306
ggaemo 291
firebathero 187
Dewaltoss 136
Backho 36
Hyun 29
Rock 24
Dota 2
monkeys_forever1255
LuMiX1
League of Legends
Reynor83
Counter-Strike
Fnx 1954
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu337
Khaldor229
Other Games
Grubby4929
FrodaN2857
fl0m1398
Beastyqt856
B2W.Neo576
Hui .203
KnowMe167
kaitlyn33
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick3551
StarCraft 2
angryscii 0
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 23 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• printf 52
• davetesta23
• Hupsaiya 20
• Adnapsc2 16
• Response 1
• IndyKCrew
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Migwel
• intothetv
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Kozan
StarCraft: Brood War
• FirePhoenix10
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV916
• masondota2208
• lizZardDota262
League of Legends
• imaqtpie2158
• TFBlade907
Other Games
• Shiphtur261
• tFFMrPink 16
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
4h 19m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
14h 19m
RSL Revival
14h 19m
Cure vs Zoun
Clem vs Lambo
WardiTV Invitational
16h 19m
ByuN vs Rogue
Solar vs Ryung
Zoun vs Percival
Cure vs SHIN
BSL
23h 19m
Dewalt vs DragOn
Aether vs Jimin
GSL
1d 12h
Afreeca Starleague
1d 14h
Soma vs Leta
Wardi Open
1d 16h
Monday Night Weeklies
1d 20h
OSC
2 days
[ Show More ]
CranKy Ducklings
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
Light vs Flash
Replay Cast
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
The PondCast
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
Korean StarCraft League
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
BSL
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S2: W6
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
Acropolis #4
KK 2v2 League Season 1
SCTL 2026 Spring
RSL Revival: Season 5
2026 GSL S1
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2

Upcoming

BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
YSL S3
Escore Tournament S2: W7
Escore Tournament S2: W8
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
2026 GSL S2
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026: Closed Qualifier
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.