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Waxangel
United States33388 Posts
Samsung Khan's  JangBi has announced his retirement. According to Daily Esports, the two time OSL champion had expressed that he had lost interest in StarCraft II.JangBi will forfeit his spot this season's Code S Ro32, where he had been scheduled to play in Group C. JangBi is said to return to his hometown of Busan to take a year off before starting his mandatory military service. 
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citron
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Shellshock
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StarStruck
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LeeDawg
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Looms
United States4624 Posts
 gl JangBi... so many memories... | ||
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rauk
United States2228 Posts
MORE PROTOSS JOBBERS TO GET CRUSHED BY MINIDONG AWW YEAH | ||
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Msr
Korea (South)495 Posts
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Megaliskuu
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Tosstriss
Canada334 Posts
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Zerg.Zilla
Hungary5029 Posts
...fuck. | ||
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babylon
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Well, good luck to him. | ||
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DMXD
United States4064 Posts
jangbi retiring before stork...... | ||
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Darkness2k11
Chile313 Posts
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Pin
United States55 Posts
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
Good luck to him in whatever he chooses to do thereafter. | ||
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Bam Lee
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but we'll I guess if you don't enjoy the game any longer there's no point in trying to compete | ||
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StarStruck
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boesthius
United States11637 Posts
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19235 Posts
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RaiKageRyu
Canada4773 Posts
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MythZero
Korea (South)102 Posts
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NovemberstOrm
Canada16217 Posts
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HereBeDragons
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On August 29 2013 14:21 boesthius wrote: fuckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk gl in life jangbang<3 We needs more jangbang.  | ||
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AmorVincitOmnia
Kenya3846 Posts
Afreeca here we gooooo~ | ||
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MysteryMeat1
United States3292 Posts
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Wuster
1974 Posts
Then again I can imagine it really sucked having BW end just as he was at his peak too. In any case, good luck to him. | ||
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StarStruck
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Mahanaim
Korea (South)1002 Posts
sad day. T.T | ||
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ahmedaak88
Kuwait12 Posts
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Pufftrees
2449 Posts
( Thanks for the great BW memories Jangbi! | ||
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Ryler
Slovenia370 Posts
User was warned for this post | ||
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alypse
2771 Posts
Noooooo | ||
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Slardar
Canada7593 Posts
To the last Champion, Jangbanger away. | ||
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itsdaniel
Austria334 Posts
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Bobo_
United States192 Posts
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ShiroKaisen
United States1082 Posts
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HwangjaeTerran
Finland5967 Posts
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
On August 29 2013 14:22 HereBeDragons wrote: Nooooooooooooooo! If Jangbi retires then how long will Stork stick around T_T So sad, and not long imo. If I'd had to put money on one high-profile retirement after the last season it would've been Stork. | ||
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Tobblish
Sweden6404 Posts
Best of wishes Jangbi. | ||
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StarStruck
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ArvickHero
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
I wish BW was still going strong...I miss those days On August 29 2013 14:27 Tobblish wrote: Unexpected since he was doing so well in SC2 but I guess he didn't feel that much for the game(?). Best of wishes Jangbi. better he quits a game he doesn't like than continue just for the sake of continuing IMO gotta do what you like | ||
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Darkren
Canada1841 Posts
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SigmaoctanusIV
United States3313 Posts
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BigFan
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lynchkin
United States14 Posts
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
On August 29 2013 14:27 Darkren wrote: Noooooooooooooo the storms Probably too easy, couldn't stand out like he did in BW | ||
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Arceus
Vietnam8333 Posts
I was sure JangBi has what it takes to win this GSL too many protosses retire. goddamn this game | ||
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Phyanketto
United States505 Posts
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
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ShiroKaisen
United States1082 Posts
On August 29 2013 14:29 Arceus wrote: what the fuck I was sure JangBi has what it takes to win this GSL too many protosses retire. goddamn this game that's what happens when protoss is by far the least fun of the three races...to play as and play against. | ||
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Lucumo
6850 Posts
On August 29 2013 14:19 babylon wrote: What. And he was doing so well. :/ Well, good luck to him. Doesn't matter though if the game is no fun... | ||
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Necosarius
Sweden4042 Posts
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shin_toss
Philippines2589 Posts
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vhapter
Brazil677 Posts
GL HF in RL I guess! | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On August 29 2013 14:28 lynchkin wrote: How many players have reitred this month? I think it's about 4 or something. But the topic of players retiring seems to be pretty common nowadays. To be fair this is technically the off-season for PL and this is when we see the most movement in the scene contract wise for KeSPA teams. That's why you see the player transfers and a lot of the old boys retire and do their military service. Still it sucks because JangBi is a marque player. | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On August 29 2013 14:25 itsdaniel wrote: he was such a funny guy to talk to...thank you! IM SAD ~~ lucky guy >< On August 29 2013 14:26 ShiroKaisen wrote: Unfortunately, I feel like this is gonna keep happening now that Woongjin is disbanding probably and KeSPA is restructuring. Hopefully they all come and play SOSPA at least. I want more Jangbi Carriers. Woongjin is disbanding? :O I thought it was STX(rumours) >< On August 29 2013 14:24 ahmedaak88 wrote: hmm so is this a sign that kespa is getting away for sc2 in general since all the superstars are leaving I think they want to maintain PL but it won't be the same once the new rules are in place(no fees). | ||
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Archaeo
United States397 Posts
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pylonsalad
Canada649 Posts
On August 29 2013 14:29 ShiroKaisen wrote: that's what happens when protoss is by far the least fun of the three races...to play as and play against. If that were the case, he could just change races. I think the issue is the game design in general. | ||
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EsMuyVien
United States408 Posts
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Arceus
Vietnam8333 Posts
On August 29 2013 14:29 ShiroKaisen wrote: that's what happens when protoss is by far the least fun of the three races...to play as and play against. I was even thinking, if theres enough protoss retiring, Blizzard might consider re-design the race not gonna happen though | ||
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Disengaged
United States6994 Posts
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StarStruck
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On August 29 2013 14:33 pylonsalad wrote: If that were the case, he could just change races. I think the issue is the game design in general. There are several players on record who said they didn't want to disappoint their fans and felt like they had to play the race they did in BW even if a switch would suit their play style more. For example Bisu. Yes, many people have commented on the design flaws of the game it isn't anything new but you got to do the best with the tools you have and players still find success. | ||
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Lumi
United States1612 Posts
Cya JangBii! | ||
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SoleSteeler
Canada5422 Posts
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On August 29 2013 14:33 Arceus wrote: I was even thinking, if theres enough protoss retiring, Blizzard might consider re-design the race not gonna happen though Try to take the positives out of this. This leaves a seat for more up-and-comers to fill the void. A lot of these KeSPA players who have been playing years and years of BW are part of the old guard. This is great news for the young generation of players even if JangBi leaves big shoes to fill. | ||
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FoShao
United States256 Posts
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On August 29 2013 14:33 pylonsalad wrote: If that were the case, he could just change races. I think the issue is the game design in general. Some players stuck to the same race they played in BW for their fans. SCII terran benefits greatly from multitasking and would suit Bisu fine but he kept playing protoss for the fans. Same with Flash and protoss(although its not mentioned as much. | ||
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tuho12345
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Falling
Canada11350 Posts
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Malphite
United States186 Posts
I mean when the best BW player at the end retires less than a year in SC2.... somethings wrong. He was the best player in BW at the end. I'm actually sad, I've always thought he would be the first BW pro to do big things in SC2. It's a shame, as much as I think League is the new Esports king, I love watching SC2. I watch more SC 2 than LoL and i strictly only play League. If flash/Jaedong retires.. I don't know how i'd feel. | ||
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myminerals
560 Posts
Legend of the Fall! I shall not miss you in SC2, I shall miss you in BW | ||
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Jmanthedragonguy
Canada1202 Posts
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L3gendary
Canada1470 Posts
On August 29 2013 14:18 Msr wrote: good decision by him. Amazing player that is not able to showcase his skills with how stupidly protoss is designed in sc2. Sad to see him go though. I agree, protoss is an abomination in sc2 compared with bw, unlike terran. Hope to see him in sospa leagues. | ||
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Kergy
Peru2011 Posts
On August 29 2013 14:33 Disengaged wrote: Inb4 he tries to be a LoL pro Would love to see him try, there's an old pro BW protoss doing quite well in LoL these days. This is too sad, I suddenly feel a lot less interest in SC2 now that my favorite player is gone. Thank you so much for all the great memories ;~; | ||
lichter
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myminerals
560 Posts
On August 29 2013 14:38 Malphite wrote: I'm crying... I stopped playing this game in Dec (after playing BW from 1998 all the way to 2008... than sc2 til Dec).... but i'm sad my favorite game all time is dying. I mean when the best BW player at the end retires less than a year in SC2.... somethings wrong. He was the best player in BW at the end. I'm actually sad, I've always thought he would be the first BW pro to do big things in SC2. It's a shame, as much as I think League is the new Esports king, I love watching SC2. I watch more SC 2 than LoL and i strictly only play League. If flash/Jaedong retires.. I don't know how i'd feel. don't, Flash and JD are earning too much money to forfeit their spots. But looks like the tendency of retirements is only getting stronger while ppl continue lying about SC2 future. If you ask me, I'd say that I have doubts not because pros retiring, but because all my friends stopped playing SC2 and switched to different games. | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On August 29 2013 14:40 lichter wrote: FUCKING HELL WHAT your eyes are not deceiving you, Jangbi retired! | ||
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Australia4123 Posts
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bduddy
United States1326 Posts
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jormal1ty
Finland72 Posts
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larse
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Jangbi Jaehoon Best and some other big names will be among the list. Flash, Jaedong, Bisu, Fantasy, etc. | ||
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Perguvious
United States1783 Posts
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myminerals
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37023 Posts
Does this mean he won't participate in SSL? | ||
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itsdaniel
Austria334 Posts
this is going to be a horrible day for me![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/rJImEwg.jpg) bye!!! T___T | ||
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larse
1611 Posts
On August 29 2013 14:43 myminerals wrote: I think this thread is worth SC2 section, dunno why it got here in the first place. Because the OP posts here... | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On August 29 2013 14:42 myminerals wrote: don't, Flash and JD are earning too much money to forfeit their spots. But looks like the tendency of retirements is only getting stronger while ppl continue lying about SC2 future. If you ask me, I'd say that I have doubts not because pros retiring, but because all my friends stopped playing SC2 and switched to different games. even though my friends and I got HoTS, I don't see them much online and while wm were an interesting addition, it didn't feel like the game changed enough to maintain my interest. I do agree though. SCII future looks bleak. | ||
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babylon
8765 Posts
On August 29 2013 14:43 larse wrote: I think we are approaching the day when all the BW big names retire. Jangbi Jaehoon Best and some other big names will be among the list. Flash, Jaedong, Bisu, Fantasy, etc. Most likely Stork, possibly Bisu and Fantasy. If Flash doesn't get results soon, I think he might go as well. For some reason though I think JD will stay for a while. | ||
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myminerals
560 Posts
On August 29 2013 14:43 larse wrote: I think we are approaching the day when all the BW big names retire. Jangbi Jaehoon Best and some other big names will be among the list. Flash, Jaedong, Bisu, Fantasy, etc. I wonder why Bisu didn't, it doesn't look like he's doing well anyway. So here is my try Stork, Bisu, Effort, Roro | ||
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Dubzex
United States6994 Posts
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
it was originally in the sc2 section but someone moved it | ||
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papaz
Sweden4149 Posts
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Incanus
Canada695 Posts
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On August 29 2013 14:44 babylon wrote: Most likely Stork, possibly Bisu and Fantasy. If Flash doesn't get results soon, I think he might go as well. For some reason though I think JD will stay for a while. agree. Stork, Bisu and Fantasy are doing horribly in SCII(Bisu best from all three). I doubt Jaedong will go but I think Flash will stay a while as well. He streamed couple of hours back on twitch. Looked tired or something but man, guy is like a robot. He went from game to game to game >< | ||
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slowbacontron
United States7722 Posts
;; he was a contender for one of the best sc2 Protoss these days | ||
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
For some reason, retirees are mostly protoss | ||
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Cheeselicker
United Kingdom78 Posts
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pylonsalad
Canada649 Posts
On August 29 2013 14:35 StarStruck wrote: There are several players on record who said they didn't want to disappoint their fans and felt like they had to play the race they did in BW even if a switch would suit their play style more. For example Bisu. Yes, many people have commented on the design flaws of the game it isn't anything new but you got to do the best with the tools you have and players still find success. I find it telling that it's mostly ex-BW players retiring recently. Just like those who dropped out when Kespa made the switch, I think many just don't like the new game as much but stayed on because, well, they don't have a choice if they want to be progamers. They have a reference for comparison that the non-Kespa SC2 players don't have. With the uncertain future of proleague, I think we're going to see a few more retirements from players who were star players in BW but not doing too great in SC2. | ||
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bokchoi
Korea (South)9498 Posts
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jiberish
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Philippines894 Posts
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On August 29 2013 14:44 itsdaniel wrote: i will miss him so much this is going to be a horrible day for mebye!!! T___T At least we still have Kim Ga Eul so beautiful. | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On August 29 2013 14:46 myminerals wrote: I wonder why Bisu didn't, it doesn't look like he's doing well anyway. So here is my try Stork, Bisu, Effort, Roro Roro isn't retiring yet. He won the last WoL GSL getting 100k although he's fallen a lot from that period. Effort, possibly. Must be painful to be an OSL winner and can't make it past RO32(I believe). | ||
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Thrillz
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mOojc
Australia460 Posts
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Shana
Indonesia1814 Posts
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AndAgain
United States2621 Posts
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NovemberstOrm
Canada16217 Posts
On August 29 2013 14:49 BigFan wrote: Roro isn't retiring yet. He won the last WoL GSL getting 100k although he's fallen a lot from that period. Effort, possibly. Must be painful to be an OSL winner and can't make it past RO32(I believe). he won 50k not 100k | ||
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blabber
United States4448 Posts
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asdfOu
United States2089 Posts
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Arceus
Vietnam8333 Posts
On August 29 2013 14:37 StarStruck wrote: Try to take the positives out of this. This leaves a seat for more up-and-comers to fill the void. A lot of these KeSPA players who have been playing years and years of BW are part of the old guard. This is great news for the young generation of players even if JangBi leaves big shoes to fill. I love the players more than the game. For instance this event takes away much interest of me in this GSL. Thats the case for most sports imo Gotta devote more time to watching the SSL I guess | ||
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doubleupgradeobbies!
Australia1187 Posts
 .Probably very quickly going to be by far the best protoss in the competition if he joins, since he should be the highest calibre player not playing sc2. Hopefully this starts an avalanche of retirements of former BW superstars that arn't doing that well (stork, bisu). If we could get enough high calibre players to get another BW proleague going that would be a dream come true, probably getting ahead of myself there though .If Jangbi doesn't join SOSPA though that would be extraordinarily sad . | ||
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myminerals
560 Posts
On August 29 2013 14:49 BigFan wrote: Roro isn't retiring yet. He won the last WoL GSL getting 100k although he's fallen a lot from that period. Effort, possibly. Must be painful to be an OSL winner and can't make it past RO32(I believe). I called Roro because of his sudden drop, that may mean that something is wrong. Just a guess. | ||
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StarStruck
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On August 29 2013 14:47 pylonsalad wrote: I find it telling that it's mostly ex-BW players retiring recently. Just like those who dropped out when Kespa made the switch, I think many just don't like the new game as much but stayed on because, well, they don't have a choice if they want to be progamers. They have a reference for comparison that the non-Kespa SC2 players don't have. With the uncertain future of proleague, I think we're going to see a few more retirements from players who were star players in BW but not doing too great in SC2. When you've been playing a game for the vast majority of your adolescence years? It's very hard when you're told you aren't allowed playing it anymore and you have to play a new game. Very hard and the pressure on them is enormous. I'm really happy for guys like Sea who got out right away because he knew it wasn't for him and look at him now. Before they switched from BW to SC2. Sea was in a BW nightmare in PL. It was some of his darkest days as a player where he looked absolutely clueless. Ever since his return to BW and joining Sonic League he's now a beast again. | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
50? wasn't it 100 million won? I may be basing this on GSL open season prize although I watched the game live and saw him get the cheque. | ||
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
On August 29 2013 14:46 BigFan wrote: agree. Stork, Bisu and Fantasy are doing horribly in SCII(Bisu best from all three). Are you high? Fantasy's vastly outperformed Bisu in SC2 | ||
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myminerals
560 Posts
On August 29 2013 14:51 Arceus wrote: I love the players more than the game. For instance this event takes away much interest of me in this GSL. Thats the case for most sports imo Gotta devote more time to watching the SSL I guess hmm, this is kinda what I always felt towards SC2 scene, I watch the games mostly because of former BW players. If there was noone to play SC2 from former BW scene, I would not watch it. This is sad. | ||
Kinky
United States4126 Posts
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MarkusCZ
Czech Republic6 Posts
gl hf in life ! | ||
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Lunareste
United States3596 Posts
goodbye Jangbi, I really loved your play. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On August 29 2013 14:51 Arceus wrote: I love the players more than the game. For instance this event takes away much interest of me in this GSL. Thats the case for most sports imo Gotta devote more time to watching the SSL I guess Oh I agree with you there because I really enjoyed watching JangBi excel. It's a token to him because near the end of the KeSPA BW days he was the Protoss to look out for and then look what he did with SC2 in PL. The guy is a beast. I used to criticize him a lot for using so many proxies early on his BW career but I give credit where it's due and this guy has proved himself time and time again. Very good player and he will be missed. Now it's time for someone else to step up and lead Khan to victory. Who wants to take JangBi's seat? | ||
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[F_]aths
Germany3947 Posts
And ... retiring while in Code-S?? | ||
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RiceAgainst
United States1849 Posts
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Zenbrez
Canada5973 Posts
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On August 29 2013 14:52 Scarecrow wrote: Are you high? Fantasy's vastly outperformed Bisu in SC2 early on, yes he did. I think once HoTS released, Bisu started performing on par or better than Fantasy. I haven't seen Fantasy play in a while though so I could be wrong. As for stork, well, we can both agree he was the worst from all three XD | ||
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Canada39254 Posts
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United Kingdom2950 Posts
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On August 29 2013 14:55 RiceAgainst wrote: Wow, that sucks. For now. Hope he plays some BW before he goes into military. Not surprised, though I thought Stork would've retired first. I think a lot of us saw Birdtoss retiring before Mr. Jangbang. ;/ | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On August 29 2013 14:56 StarStruck wrote: I think a lot of us saw Birdtoss retiring before Mr. Jangbang. ;/ ya, agree with this. Maybe Bisu is next | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On August 29 2013 14:52 BigFan wrote: 50? wasn't it 100 million won? I may be basing this on GSL open season prize although I watched the game live and saw him get the cheque. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_Global_StarCraft_II_League_Season_1 60 mil won | ||
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myminerals
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StarStruck
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On August 29 2013 14:56 BigFan wrote: early on, yes he did. I think once HoTS released, Bisu started performing on par or better than Fantasy. I haven't seen Fantasy play in a while though so I could be wrong. As for stork, well, we can both agree he was the worst from all three XD Bisu still has a ton to prove though man. Okay, so he got a few wins in PL. What has he done in Individual Leagues? In either case I don't see the worth in comparing players in a retirement thread. Difference is too small. | ||
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
..God this makes me so sad | ||
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pylonsalad
Canada649 Posts
On August 29 2013 14:52 StarStruck wrote: When you've been playing a game for the vast majority of your adolescence years? It's very hard when you're told you aren't allowed playing it anymore and you have to play a new game. Very hard and the pressure on them is enormous. I'm really happy for guys like Sea who got out right away because he knew it wasn't for him and look at him now. Before they switched from BW to SC2. Sea was in a BW nightmare in PL. It was some of his darkest days as a player where he looked absolutely clueless. Ever since his return to BW and joining Sonic League he's now a beast again. I agree. I'm happy for the guys who recognized right away that SC2 wasn't for them. It just sucks that there won't be any new blood in BW. | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On August 29 2013 14:29 Torte de Lini wrote: Beyond unsurprised you must get some high level insider information at Clauf to not be surprised by this | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
Jangbi! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! at least come back to BW. | ||
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zeo
Serbia6284 Posts
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KadaverBB
Germany25657 Posts
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T.O.P
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Destructicon
4713 Posts
I thought Jangbi had a shot at a SC2 championship for real, some of his games in Proleague where pure brilliance, I'm really down upon reading this. Good luck to you Jangbi wherever you go. | ||
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United States214 Posts
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minilance
Canada500 Posts
Jangbi was my favorite player | ||
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myminerals
560 Posts
On August 29 2013 14:58 StarStruck wrote: Bisu still has a ton to prove though man. Okay, so he got a few wins in PL. What has he done in Individual Leagues? In either case I don't see the worth in comparing players in a retirement thread. Difference is too small. Bisu had a ton to prove on while he was in BW. Never actually won anything from the days of Savior! I always said he had not fighter's spirit, something that makes old veterans like JD still play. | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On August 29 2013 14:57 opterown wrote: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_Global_StarCraft_II_League_Season_1 60 mil won thanks, must be thinking of fruitdealer then. watched this clip so many times I lost count lol On August 29 2013 14:58 StarStruck wrote: Bisu still has a ton to prove though man. Okay, so he got a few wins in PL. What has he done in Individual Leagues? In either case I don't see the worth in comparing players in a retirement thread. Difference is too small. ya true. Mostly going off the PL wins for Bisu although Parting said he's amazing in practice or something. | ||
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BlackPanther
United States872 Posts
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Canada38 Posts
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On August 29 2013 15:01 BlackPanther wrote: Makes sense. He wasn't making any progress in SC2 and he was going into military service soon anyway. I'm pretty sure he was the 2nd best Protoss in the HotS half of Proleague and he was on the Power Rank a month ago. | ||
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endy
Switzerland8970 Posts
gg Jangbi, hope to see you playing BW soon. | ||
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Whisperkill
Canada76 Posts
On August 29 2013 14:19 Tosstriss wrote: Shit, just heard the news on Mafia but damn... By hearing the news on mafia you mean while playing mafia or that Action also retired? If so, that would be pretty awesome to have a KT Zerg in SOSPA. Kinda hoping for Hoejja to leave as well so I have a favorite player to cheer for(though Mafia Zerg would do just perfect) On topic, that's kind of sad in an SC2 point of view, but exciting if he plays Sonic's leagues as he was obviously the top BW player at the time of the switch. Even Minidong wouldn't withstand the fury of the Almighty. | ||
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lichter
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On August 29 2013 15:01 BigFan wrote: thanks, must be thinking of fruitdealer then. watched this clip so many times I lost count lol ya true. Mostly going off the PL wins for Bisu although Parting said he's amazing in practice or something. Ofc he is. It's fucking Bisu mechanics. o; Practice is practice man but when it comes to the real deal you got to perform regularly. ;/ I was a huge supporter of Bisu back in the BW days, but I know when they're struggling. | ||
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Austria831 Posts
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Laryleprakon
New Zealand9496 Posts
Hopefully he does amazing in w/e he does next! | ||
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Shinta)
United States1716 Posts
On August 29 2013 14:18 Msr wrote: good decision by him. Amazing player that is not able to showcase his skills with how stupidly protoss is designed in sc2. Sad to see him go though. I lol'd. You should go on your my friend. | ||
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myminerals
560 Posts
On August 29 2013 15:01 BlackPanther wrote: Makes sense. He wasn't making any progress in SC2 and he was going into military service soon anyway. On the contrary he became quite good. From the moment he first lost to a zerling runby he turned into a very skilled toss, so we can't say he was not making progress. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On August 29 2013 15:04 Whisperkill wrote: By hearing the news on mafia you mean while playing mafia or that Action also retired? If so, that would be pretty awesome to have a KT Zerg in SOSPA. Kinda hoping for Hoejja to leave as well so I have a favorite player to cheer for(though Mafia Zerg would do just perfect) On topic, that's kind of sad in an SC2 point of view, but exciting if he plays Sonic's leagues as he was obviously the top BW player at the time of the switch. Even Minidong wouldn't withstand the fury of the Almighty. We're both listening to the Esports Mafia Week 18 cast man. That's how I heard about it too lol. | ||
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Savagewood
United States83 Posts
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sM.Zik
Canada2547 Posts
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aoe2fan
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Just_a_Moth
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United Kingdom202 Posts
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myminerals
560 Posts
On August 29 2013 15:04 lichter wrote: If I don't see an epic 10,000 word article about JangBi by next week I am going to be so disappointed in TL hah, your hopes are too high | ||
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Destructicon
4713 Posts
On August 29 2013 15:01 BlackPanther wrote: Makes sense. He wasn't making any progress in SC2 and he was going into military service soon anyway. Not true at all, he looked bad in the first couple of showings after the switch to SC2 and then HoTS, but he improved by leaps and bounds since then, and he is one of the few tosses to have won a game against the dreaded SH split map scenario, and he did it against Soulkey. Given a bit more time I'd have called him a champion contender. Seriously though all these old BW vets retiring now is greatly depressing. | ||
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Thinasy
2856 Posts
Sigh, been a huge fan of Jangbi since his earlier MSL runs, through the slump and ending BW at the top. I always knew the day would come, but why today... Good luck in the military and hopefully we'll be able to see him associated with esports after it and please stream on afreeca! Jangbi fighting! | ||
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StarscreamG1
Portugal1653 Posts
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Whisperkill
Canada76 Posts
On August 29 2013 15:04 StarStruck wrote: We're both listening to the Esports Mafia Week 18 cast man. That's how I heard about it too lol. Thanks. There goes my hopes of having Mafia playing in SSL 9 | ||
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painkilla
United States695 Posts
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Fionn
United States23455 Posts
Jangbi always seemed to talk about how he relished the new game. Stork seemed like the one who hated it. | ||
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Immaterial
Canada510 Posts
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synapse
China13814 Posts
no more jangbangs T_T | ||
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althaz
Australia1001 Posts
On August 29 2013 15:02 Dodgin wrote: I'm pretty sure he was the 2nd best Protoss in the HotS half of Proleague and he was on the Power Rank a month ago. Agreed. JangBi was never bad at SC2 and was getting better. I'm incredibly sad to see him go . One of the few to win back-to-back OSLs (the only Protoss to do it I think?).You will be missed JangBi! | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On August 29 2013 15:04 StarStruck wrote: Ofc he is. It's fucking Bisu mechanics. o; Practice is practice man but when it comes to the real deal you got to perform regularly. ;/ I was a huge supporter of Bisu back in the BW days, but I know when they're struggling. ya, he's not enjoying himself thus the struggle. Can't blame them tbh. Feel bad for any BW player that was forced into SCII due to the change in PL. Worse for those like Jangbi who peaked and were at their best right when they were forced to switch. | ||
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myminerals
560 Posts
Just remember his long slump of 13-15 losses? We all laughted whether he'd beat his loss record every new PL game, remember his smile when he won a game against Zero by storming the soul out of his drones. And that game was the begging of his rise. | ||
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jonich0n
United States1982 Posts
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bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
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Zenbrez
Canada5973 Posts
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On August 29 2013 15:11 Zenbrez wrote: Bisu, don't you back out too. You're going to qualify for the next OSL and stay with us! Bisu and OSLs don't mix, sorry | ||
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Thinasy
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On August 29 2013 15:09 Fionn wrote: Weird. Jangbi always seemed to talk about how he relished the new game. Stork seemed like the one who hated it. Rule number <insert number here>: never trash the game you currently get paid to play. Those PR/media skills, har har har. | ||
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writer22816
United States5775 Posts
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myminerals
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Mirham
Denmark44 Posts
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NovemberstOrm
Canada16217 Posts
On August 29 2013 15:09 Fionn wrote: Weird. Jangbi always seemed to talk about how he relished the new game. Stork seemed like the one who hated it. The only explanation..... they switched souls!!! | ||
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Fionn
United States23455 Posts
On August 29 2013 15:12 StarStruck wrote: Rule number <insert number here>: never trash the game you currently get paid to play. Those PR/media skills, har har har. Yeah, but there have been a few players who've shown non-interest in the game in interviews. Stork seemed like he fucking hated switching and has been terrible in SC2. Jangbi was the exact opposite. | ||
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Grend
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tns
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On August 29 2013 14:21 BisuDagger wrote: Can't wait to see him stream BW. SRT awaits him. And Brave needs an ally for ex khan players. Poor Stork though is all alone. Yay it would be great, I mean... well you know x) | ||
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myminerals
560 Posts
Until there is Shine or Roro ;P | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On August 29 2013 15:14 Fionn wrote: Yeah, but there have been a few players who've shown non-interest in the game in interviews. Stork seemed like he fucking hated switching and has been terrible in SC2. Jangbi was the exact opposite. Yeah, yeah. I know, I know. We have a lot of examples of it. That's where you hope all that PR training goes to work, but some people just cannot help but voice their frustrations. Best example being IdrA. | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
rofl. For someone who has a lot of OSLs to catch up on, I'm surprised I get your reference XD | ||
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Swiv
Germany3674 Posts
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vesicular
United States1310 Posts
Still, Jangbi is not one I expected. The more this happens the less and less I'm interested in watching SC2. | ||
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
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mistsifter
Australia44 Posts
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eskashaborn
United States177 Posts
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Fionn
United States23455 Posts
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bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
On August 29 2013 15:18 lichter wrote: On the one hand, I agree that if he didn't enjoy the game, then getting on with his life is the right choice. But on the other I see someone like Jaedong who did so poorly for a long period in SC2, but just won't fucking give up until he succeeds. Jaedong might enjoy the game a hell of a lot more as well though | ||
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hansonslee
United States2027 Posts
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Olli
Austria24417 Posts
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babylon
8765 Posts
On August 29 2013 15:18 lichter wrote: On the one hand, I agree that if he didn't enjoy the game, then getting on with his life is the right choice. But on the other I see someone like Jaedong who did so poorly for a long period in SC2, but just won't fucking give up until he succeeds. Yeah, but it definitely takes a certain temperament to be able to crush one's way through the depressing miasma of "hero to zero." Not that Jangbi was anywhere close to zero ... (which is why this news is so shocking). | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On August 29 2013 15:18 lichter wrote: On the one hand, I agree that if he didn't enjoy the game, then getting on with his life is the right choice. But on the other I see someone like Jaedong who did so poorly for a long period in SC2, but just won't fucking give up until he succeeds. we don't know how much Jaedong enjoys SCII. I'm sure his success and all the traveling must be a big bonus for him to stick around. | ||
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Thinasy
2856 Posts
On August 29 2013 15:19 Fionn wrote: Maybe Jangbi can go join Grape in LoL. Please. | ||
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On August 29 2013 15:20 babylon wrote: Yeah, but it definitely takes a certain temperament to be able to crush one's way through the depressing miasma of "hero to zero." Not that Jangbi was anywhere close to zero ... (which is why this news is so shocking). I know, I am just so depressed by this On August 29 2013 15:21 BigFan wrote: we don't know how much Jaedong enjoys SCII. I'm sure his success and all the traveling must be a big bonus for him to stick around. Makes me wonder why more Kespa players don't try that route. It might actually be fruitful. Instead of straight up retiring, try going on a foreign adventure. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On August 29 2013 15:18 lichter wrote: On the one hand, I agree that if he didn't enjoy the game, then getting on with his life is the right choice. But on the other I see someone like Jaedong who did so poorly for a long period in SC2, but just won't fucking give up until he succeeds. Other than Flash you would be hard pressed to find a player with as much dedication and work ethic as Jaedong and for how long they've in the business? God damn. | ||
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theking1
Romania658 Posts
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negativedge
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Gamlet
Ukraine336 Posts
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pbjsandwich
United States443 Posts
On August 29 2013 15:23 theking1 wrote: not really a surprise.a lot of former pros can not adapt to sc2.Also less money,less fame compared to bw and a lot of players lose interest really quick..And this is just the tip of the iceberg.When esf and kespa en their trade ban this november the scene will have only one set of teams which is probably better since it will eliminate the weakest ones but i see a lot of former bw greats getting brenched or retireing simply because of too much competition.I would pick maru over bisu or flash in my team any day of the week. have you seen Jangbis SC2 record? He was a fantastic player | ||
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Brutaxilos
United States2629 Posts
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Jenia6109
Russian Federation1612 Posts
He had potential to be a top protoss in SC2. So damn sad JangBi, thank you for what you did in 2011-2012 <3 Will always remember you, legend of the fall and the last Protoss! <3 <3 <3 | ||
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Maleta
Chile150 Posts
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NDPH_Prodigy
Australia35 Posts
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Fionn
United States23455 Posts
On August 29 2013 15:23 theking1 wrote: not really a surprise.a lot of former pros can not adapt to sc2.Also less money,less fame compared to bw and a lot of players lose interest really quick..And this is just the tip of the iceberg.When esf and kespa en their trade ban this november the scene will have only one set of teams which is probably better since it will eliminate the weakest ones but i see a lot of former bw greats getting brenched or retireing simply because of too much competition.I would pick maru over bisu or flash in my team any day of the week. Where does the less money come from? I can see the less fame part, but he could have made a lot more money in SC2 than BW if he was doing as well as he was at the end of BW. | ||
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schaf
Germany1326 Posts
On August 29 2013 15:21 lichter wrote: I know, I am just so depressed by this Makes me wonder why more Kespa players don't try that route. It might actually be fruitful. Instead of straight up retiring, try going on a foreign adventure. It's a big decision for your life and the amount of work these guys put in becoming brood war champions back in the day must be horrific. You can only survive that if you love the challenge and the thrill of the game. another good example for this is Best, who retired and directly started playing bw again. and Sea, and Hiya (though I would accept that these guys did not really delve deep into sc2)... | ||
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Existential
Australia2107 Posts
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On August 29 2013 15:23 theking1 wrote: not really a surprise.a lot of former pros can not adapt to sc2.Also less money,less fame compared to bw and a lot of players lose interest really quick..And this is just the tip of the iceberg.When esf and kespa en their trade ban this november the scene will have only one set of teams which is probably better since it will eliminate the weakest ones but i see a lot of former bw greats getting brenched or retireing simply because of too much competition.I would pick maru over bisu or flash in my team any day of the week. The real surprise rests on the fact that JangBi was actually looking quite good, guys like Sea were making strides, but yeah at the end of the day if you don't enjoy the game or find that passion then maybe it's time for a change of scenery. Getting your military duty out of the way is a great start. | ||
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babylon
8765 Posts
On August 29 2013 15:21 BigFan wrote: we don't know how much Jaedong enjoys SCII. I'm sure his success and all the traveling must be a big bonus for him to stick around. I actually think the scenery change did JD a ton of good. From what I hear, JD enjoys being on EG, and honestly, if you're a Chinese/Korean player and you have the chance to go to a legit foreign team, I think you should take it and run. Both for the money and all the experiences. Given how short a progaming career is, it's a good idea to make the most out of it. | ||
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United States5585 Posts
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Gaius Baltar
United States449 Posts
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Nerevar
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Atoissen
Norway1737 Posts
Jangbi, the new era's saviour, the hero we needed and deserved!! And, Khan feels so weak now | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On August 29 2013 15:21 lichter wrote: I know, I am just so depressed by this Makes me wonder why more Kespa players don't try that route. It might actually be fruitful. Instead of straight up retiring, try going on a foreign adventure. Thing is, you have to find a foreign team to take you and have to be willing and want to try outside Korea and compete at all the different lans. It's a big commitment to do that. On August 29 2013 15:26 babylon wrote: I actually think the scenery change did JD a ton of good. From what I hear, JD enjoys being on EG, and honestly, if you're a Chinese/Korean player and you have the chance to go to a legit foreign team, I think you should take it and run. Both for the money and all the experiences. Given how short a progaming career is, it's a good idea to make the most out of it.ya, agree although we don't know his reason for not trying for that. | ||
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zeo
Serbia6284 Posts
On August 29 2013 15:20 bo1b wrote: Jaedong might enjoy the game a hell of a lot more as well though Jeadong enjoys money | ||
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Trasko
Sweden983 Posts
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On August 29 2013 15:28 Nerevar wrote: I would've expected him to drop to Code B before retiring instead of doing it while he's still in Code S. But given the circumstances of his enjoyment for the game and military service coming up, I understand his decision. Best of luck to him. Fair, but a lot of players have given up their seeds for various reasons. Whether it be retiring or not being able to make it out there. | ||
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Kashll
United States1117 Posts
What the FUCK? | ||
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Lysanias
Netherlands8351 Posts
Meh Jangbi, that's Fantasy GG timing right there, not impressed. Goodluck irl. | ||
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Brutaxilos
United States2629 Posts
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fuzzylogic44
Canada2633 Posts
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On August 29 2013 15:31 Lysanias wrote: Wait what ? atleast finish the season ? Go to all that effort to get into code S and then drop out. Just makes 0 sense. Meh Jangbi, that's Fantasy GG timing right there, not impressed. Goodluck irl. PL Season is over man. This is technically the KeSPA offseason even with the WCS going on. | ||
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Bayyne
United States1967 Posts
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Wintex
Norway16838 Posts
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ChoDing
United States740 Posts
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
![[image loading]](http://s273.photobucket.com/user/BigFan_2008/media/Jangbi_zps3cda3e8e.png.html) I believe he did the same in his games against Zero after he realized he won. Jangbi fighting! | ||
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b3n3tt3
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DyEnasTy
United States3714 Posts
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GTR
51449 Posts
the victor of the first and last bw osl final i've ever attended. Also, never forget the greatest moment in my history of watching e-Sports. | ||
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Lysanias
Netherlands8351 Posts
On August 29 2013 15:33 StarStruck wrote: PL Season is over man. This is technically the KeSPA offseason even with the WCS going on. Yeah i supose i should have thought of that. Oh well i thought he would have enough time to retire after his code S play before the next PL season. | ||
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United States2786 Posts
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Magreidis
Lithuania146 Posts
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Big-t
Austria1350 Posts
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
On August 29 2013 14:25 Slardar wrote: Dear fucking......God. To the last Champion, Jangbanger away. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PC3TOTMJCM&feature=plcp protoss glory days...when are basic units were scary as shit and super manly. Now we just have that pussy mobile they call the mothership core and a bunch of units that instantly melt to terran infantry, something protoss used to laugh at. Sigh. | ||
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DarkSpectre
121 Posts
User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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zyce
United States649 Posts
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Charlie.Sheen
662 Posts
Good luck for your future life, beloved Jangbi!! | ||
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myminerals
560 Posts
On August 29 2013 15:36 GTR wrote: NOT JANGBANG the victor of the first and last bw osl final i've ever attended. Also, never forget the greatest moment in my history of watching e-Sports. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LloxjP8QD_k yeah, that game. Jangbi started to rise out of his slump if I remember correctly | ||
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Torpedo.Vegas
United States1890 Posts
On August 29 2013 15:40 DarkSpectre wrote: HAHAHAHAHA!!! A LOT OF SC2 PROS ARE LEAVING THE SC2 SCENE :D :D :D \o/ Hope this horrible game die a painful but quick death!!! Kinda sad you need to get you jollies trying so hard to trash a game others enjoy because of your problems dude. But to each his own. Enjoy your inevitable ban. | ||
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myminerals
560 Posts
On August 29 2013 15:38 VayneAuthority wrote: protoss glory days...when are basic units were scary as shit and super manly. Now we just have that pussy mobile they call the mothership core and a bunch of units that instantly melt to terran infantry, something protoss used to laugh at. Sigh. yeah, if not for those blasted terran tanks, protoss would march over terran helmets won't even notice | ||
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TheDougler
Canada8304 Posts
. And he did so well for a while in proleague! Sad day. | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On August 29 2013 15:36 GTR wrote: NOT JANGBANG the victor of the first and last bw osl final i've ever attended. Also, never forget the greatest moment in my history of watching e-Sports. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LloxjP8QD_k loved that game. One base protoss survives a contain then manages to win the game even after losing so many probes to lurkers. | ||
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theking1
Romania658 Posts
On August 29 2013 15:25 Fionn wrote: Where does the less money come from? I can see the less fame part, but he could have made a lot more money in SC2 than BW if he was doing as well as he was at the end of BW. He wasn't as succefull in sc2 as bw.In bw he was a 2 time osl champion who probably demanded an amount of money fit for his performance.In sc2 not having the same performance as in bw his contract probably dropped significantly.Also he might have done some introspection and realized sc2 wasn't for him so he decided to quit while he was on top instead of dragging it out.He might have wanted to pull a jaedong and join a foreign team that would have send him to tournaments and such which probably would have been the best option for him seeing how well this did to jaedong but we may never know.SOmetimes it is best to keep it real real and quit while you are on top than let people see your decline.I can respect him for that. | ||
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myminerals
560 Posts
On August 29 2013 15:38 VayneAuthority wrote: protoss glory days...when are basic units were scary as shit and super manly. Now we just have that pussy mobile they call the mothership core and a bunch of units that instantly melt to terran infantry, something protoss used to laugh at. Sigh. this was one of the last BW PvZs and I saw commentator cry... | ||
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Stratos
Czech Republic6104 Posts
SOSPA . | ||
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NguN
Australia1322 Posts
He was a good player too. Good thing I'm been tuning more and more into the SRT since WCS KR had such a long downtime after its finals | ||
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Olli
Austria24417 Posts
On August 29 2013 15:40 DarkSpectre wrote: HAHAHAHAHA!!! A LOT OF SC2 PROS ARE LEAVING THE SC2 SCENE :D :D :D \o/ Hope this horrible game die a painful but quick death!!! User was temp banned for this post. Why is this only a temp ban I'm so sad right now. This just came out of the blue. Didn't Jangbi say that he was really enjoying the game? He was getting so good too | ||
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gulshngill
Malaysia140 Posts
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babylon
8765 Posts
On August 29 2013 15:44 theking1 wrote: He wasn't as succefull in sc2 as bw.In bw he was a 2 time osl champion who probably demanded an amount of money fit for his performance.In sc2 not having the same performance as in bw his contract probably dropped significantly.Also he might have done some introspection and realized sc2 wasn't for him so he decided to quit while he was on top instead of dragging it out.He might have wanted to pull a jaedong and join a foreign team that would have send him to tournaments and such which probably would have been the best option for him seeing how well this did to jaedong but we may never know.SOmetimes it is best to keep it real real and quit while you are on top than let people see your decline.I can respect him for that. Yeah, I mean, he also isn't a spring chicken or anything... 24's about that time when you start thinking about where the fuck you're going with your life. I'm sure he will come back with more shitposting and get banned eventually. His last few posts are fucking atrocious, lol. | ||
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Ctesias
4595 Posts
Shame... I really liked Jangbi. I wish him the best of luck in whatever he decides to do after his military service. | ||
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Charlie.Sheen
662 Posts
On August 29 2013 15:50 DarkLordOlli wrote: Why is this only a temp ban I'm so sad right now. This just came out of the blue. Didn't Jangbi say that he was really enjoying the game? He was getting so good too Cause he spoke truth with a rude tone, rather than spreading lies with a rude tone. | ||
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MarsMJ
Germany4 Posts
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Olli
Austria24417 Posts
On August 29 2013 15:52 Charlie.Sheen wrote: Cause he spoke truth with a rude tone, rather than spreading lies with a rude tone. The quality posts just keep on coming. | ||
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On August 29 2013 15:51 babylon wrote: Yeah, I mean, he also isn't a spring chicken or anything... 24's about that time when you start thinking about where the fuck you're going with your life. I'm sure he will come back with more shitposting and get banned eventually. His last few posts are fucking atrocious, lol. Wow. His last 4 or 5 posts have all had some variation of the phrase "SC2 is dying" in them lol | ||
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On August 29 2013 15:52 Charlie.Sheen wrote: Cause he spoke truth with a rude tone, rather than spreading lies with a rude tone. Huh. On July 31 2013 01:08 DarkSpectre wrote: Innovation - Patchterren Life - Patchzerg User was temp banned for this post. On August 10 2013 21:04 DarkSpectre wrote: SC2 is dying but at a slow rate. I'm no longer enjoying playing nor watching SC2 games anymore. I'm sure that I'm in the majority. On August 09 2013 06:38 DarkSpectre wrote: It seems that SC2 is dying. LoL and Dota2 are getting more and more popular these days. Hell, as an e-sport spectator, I think that SC2 HoTS is boring as shit to watch these days. On August 09 2013 06:50 DarkSpectre wrote: If some of you still think that SC2 is popular worldwide then you need to wake the **** up. IT IS DYING because otherwise, MLG wouldn't have made such a decision regarding SC2, one of the most well known RTS games, in the first place. They have a lot of data that support their decision of dropping SC2. Well, sorry but in the end it's all about business to MLG. HoTS is a joke. Blizzard made a huge mess of it. On August 27 2013 23:16 DarkSpectre wrote: At this rate, SC2 will be dead before Superman/Batman movie comes out. On August 12 2013 04:46 DarkSpectre wrote: WCS SUCKS!!!! KOREANS ARE INVADING USA AND EUROPE. IT'S NOT ACCEPTABLE. Ban me plskthxbai User was temp banned for this post. Being "truthful" doesn't mean he isn't shitposting  And these are just the last few posts. | ||
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Mewka
Poland1458 Posts
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zeo
Serbia6284 Posts
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Olli
Austria24417 Posts
I hope Jangbi finds something else he really enjoys. I love the guy and I'd love to see him stay but it's not the right thing for him if he isn't enjoying it. | ||
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theking1
Romania658 Posts
On August 29 2013 15:58 Zeo wrote: Wow you guys stop talking about shit posts and start talking about how much more epic the BW amature leagues are about to become. Hope more BW greats 'retire' in the near future. inb4 sospa has higher viewership on twitch than osl | ||
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ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
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Kal_rA
United States2925 Posts
Hope to see you play again in the SRT. For those curious.. These are some of the best games comback games during the end of BW. Was EPIC to watch live :D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiIRazYouGw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PC3TOTMJCM | ||
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On August 29 2013 15:58 Zeo wrote: Wow you guys stop talking about shit posts and start talking about how much more epic the BW amature leagues are about to become. Hope more BW greats 'retire' in the near future. If he doesn't return in some capacity (whether it be in Sonic Leagues or as a coach/caster/something) after his military service I am going to be even more sad | ||
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Draconicfire
Canada2562 Posts
Good luck Jangbi | ||
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Gosi
Sweden9072 Posts
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HandA711
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Chairman Ray
United States11903 Posts
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29 fps
United States5724 Posts
On August 29 2013 16:03 HandA711 wrote: I wonder how many pros actually enjoy playing SC2. this is a good question. i would like to know as well | ||
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theking1
Romania658 Posts
On August 29 2013 16:03 HandA711 wrote: I wonder how many pros actually enjoy playing SC2. What do you mean by enjoy?And how do you measure enjoyment? | ||
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fezvez
France3021 Posts
Jangbang, will you be the last one to retire? I sure hope so, but I am not a fool... | ||
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Fuell
Netherlands3111 Posts
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Kergy
Peru2011 Posts
On August 29 2013 15:59 theking1 wrote: inb4 sospa has higher viewership on twitch than osl SSL already seems to have a bigger sponsor than the current GSL, at least as big. | ||
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RiZu
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Serpico
4285 Posts
On August 29 2013 15:09 Fionn wrote: Weird. Jangbi always seemed to talk about how he relished the new game. Stork seemed like the one who hated it. There's obviously pressure on well known players to not shit on the game publicly, it's bad for everyone involved. | ||
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Sub40APM
6336 Posts
On August 29 2013 16:03 HandA711 wrote: I wonder how many pros actually enjoy playing SC2. they play the same game for 10 hours a day, 5-6 days a week. i doubt many of them enjoy it the way you enjoy an icecream. | ||
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Boundz(DarKo)
5311 Posts
The last hero of broodwar fades away.... so many memories. Instead of saying goodbye I'll say thanks for the games, and now I'll watch the last finals all-over! | ||
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Taku
Canada2036 Posts
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hidetoaizen
Norway460 Posts
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Taefox
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허영무 그동안 저 허영무를 응원해주셔서 감사합니다! He said thank you everyone for cheering him Good luck Jangbi | ||
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metzninja
New Zealand626 Posts
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InvincibleRice
United States38 Posts
If we see more retirements, I'd imagine that Stork and Bisu would be next. | ||
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skylarr
Canada209 Posts
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Fionn
United States23455 Posts
Innovation disliked BW and loves SC2. All hail our cardboard personality hero. | ||
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rauk
United States2228 Posts
On August 29 2013 16:34 Fionn wrote: It's alright. Innovation disliked BW and loves SC2. All hail our cardboard personality hero. sc2 > bw how can anyone prefer bw to sc2, wtf, bogus has his heart in the right place | ||
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sunless
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p14c
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Charlie.Sheen
662 Posts
On August 29 2013 16:30 InvincibleRice wrote: Sad to see him go. I'm surprised Stork didn't go first. If we see more retirements, I'd imagine that Stork and Bisu would be next. Stork don't have GSL to play, so he's in no rush, he can announce retirement next month, which won't make any difference. I expect him to retire at least before next proleague, and a bunch of old BW pros to retire during this time span as well. | ||
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Kergy
Peru2011 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=238074 | ||
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thepaz
France31 Posts
++ Jangbang | ||
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Locke-
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51484 Posts
oh how sad.Goodbye JangBi you will be missed | ||
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Seraphic
United States3849 Posts
The 6 Dragons are slowly going into slumber... BeSt is gone, JangBi is now gone too... Next thing you know Stork and Bisu will be gone also. Noooo... | ||
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t0ssboy
Bulgaria681 Posts
JangBi fighting!. | ||
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Douillos
France3195 Posts
I really getting the feeling that he was getting better and better | ||
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theking1
Romania658 Posts
On August 29 2013 16:34 skylarr wrote: This breaks my heart. Players are leaving the game one after another. Congrats blizzard! i'm sure this is blizzards fault. | ||
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BAdGer_
United States80 Posts
Carrier carriers! The only hope to see the resurgence of this long forgotten unit Has just left us Gl to jangbi the Last Dragon | ||
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DRTnOOber
New Zealand476 Posts
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KameZerg
Sweden1762 Posts
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KivTM
Australia90 Posts
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Gorilla23
United States339 Posts
My heart has been getting torn a lot recently. | ||
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Riquiz
Netherlands402 Posts
Thanks for all the memories! | ||
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Patate
Canada441 Posts
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
On August 29 2013 16:44 Seraphic wrote: WHAT NOO! The 6 Dragons are slowly going into slumber... BeSt is gone, JangBi is now gone too... Next thing you know Stork and Bisu will be gone also. Noooo... Bisu is effectively gone already. #shotsfired And Kal is on ACE who haven't competed in this last season of ProLeague... =( | ||
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Nuclease
United States1049 Posts
NO. NO GOD. Please no. Michael Scott up in this bitch right now. I watched his OSL victories, and was instantly a fan. What a legend, so sad. If he had the passion for it he could one of the very best. | ||
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cYaN
Norway3322 Posts
Thanks for all the excellent bw games (and a few in sc2)^^ | ||
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Patate
Canada441 Posts
On August 29 2013 16:37 rauk wrote: sc2 > bw how can anyone prefer bw to sc2, wtf, bogus has his heart in the right place This has to be a troll... i have talked to a retired SC2 player in a local lan 2 years ago, and he said that mostly every foreigner BW players really disliked SC2 but saw an opportunity in making money that foreign BW never had. As for your comment, you have never watched BroodWar. Playing it is more tedious, I'd agree, but at least a 20 minutes game doesn't finish in 20 seconds. | ||
KristofferAG
Norway25712 Posts
Wonder what he'll do next. Gogo BW stream? | ||
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Drake
Germany6146 Posts
he was starting to get incredible good | ||
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Serpico
4285 Posts
On August 29 2013 16:34 Fionn wrote: It's alright. Innovation disliked BW and loves SC2. All hail our cardboard personality hero. Everyone loves games they're great at, especially when he can stand to make a ton of money off a new contract and tourney winnings. Jangbi was getting there but it was certainly not a guarantee. | ||
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hXc_
179 Posts
.But I think everyone should remember that eSports isn't something you will do all your life, and players have to retire at some point. The moment you stop enjoying something you should change it, whether it is playing a game or everything else you do in life. GL for him in whatever he chooses to do. | ||
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MercurialVanjal
14 Posts
Why????? why Janbi retires????? omg this is so heartbreaking...:SSS | ||
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Malinor
Germany4727 Posts
My only Protoss love. That is just wrong, my sweet little Jangbang :-( | ||
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sinistral
Singapore859 Posts
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baubo
China3370 Posts
On August 29 2013 16:59 Drake wrote: wait so, the second he gets good he retires ? .... why on earth he played himself in code s then ... he was starting to get incredible good Player contracts run through the PL season. Likely his contract's up and Jangbi just decided to fuck it. Honestly, I totally understand his decision. Protoss in SC2 just sucks. It's stupid to play with, and stupid to watch. Jangbi especially is a very bad fit for protoss similar to Bisu in that he's too aggressive. And switching to another race would just seem wrong. GL Jangbi. Wish you the best and thanks for all the memories these past few years. | ||
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NotSorry
United States6722 Posts
Good night sweet prince and final hero of Aiur. | ||
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Pwnzer
United States617 Posts
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Targe
United Kingdom14103 Posts
gl | ||
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Monsen
Germany2548 Posts
That's what happens when you've been spoiled by the best game of all time. | ||
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Artunit
Philippines399 Posts
. Jangbi in my opinion is 1 of the protoss hope in sc2 that can innovate it's play style. I hope he comes back to BW tho. 1 of my favorite protoss with Stork, Nal_ra. | ||
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jsharick
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reminisce12
Australia318 Posts
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
It's Blizzard's fault for killing professional BW and forcing Kespa to switch to SC2 even though not all players enjoy the game. | ||
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Gravesong
United States96 Posts
I'm also surprised because I thought he was doing decently in SC2. On August 29 2013 17:00 hXc_ wrote: So sad to him go .But I think everyone should remember that eSports isn't something you will do all your life, and players have to retire at some point. The moment you stop enjoying something you should change it, whether it is playing a game or everything else you do in life. GL for him in whatever he chooses to do. Definitely true. Sad though that the high volatility of esports means much less consistent careers than, say, traditional sports barrings injuries. | ||
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Donutz_Warrior
Spain6 Posts
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Fluffboll
Sweden516 Posts
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
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hns
Germany609 Posts
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On August 29 2013 17:22 Zealously wrote: I wish people would stop taking cheap shots at BW and/or SC2 whenever players retire, come on This is the Brood War forum what were you expecting | ||
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On August 29 2013 17:22 Zealously wrote: I wish people would stop taking cheap shots at BW and/or SC2 whenever players retire, come on A lot of people only post when they have a chance to shit on something/someone else Nature of the internet | ||
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Grumbels
Netherlands7031 Posts
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On August 29 2013 17:23 Dodgin wrote: This is the Brood War forum what were you expecting Some dignity would be nice but maybe I'm an optimist | ||
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bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
On August 29 2013 17:24 Zealously wrote: Some dignity would be nice but maybe I'm an optimist Looking past faults is something that naniwa fans are good at, surely you can look past the bw forums problems. | ||
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chambertin
United States1704 Posts
After starting SC2 i still somehow decided to tune into to some Jangbi vs Zero as like the first BW I ever really watched.... the storms, the magic. Gl gl sir, tho I wish you wouldn't go. | ||
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Lucumo
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On August 29 2013 17:28 bo1b wrote: Looking past faults is something that naniwa fans are good at, surely you can look past the bw forums problems. What problems? We are fine on our own and at least we don't derail threads unlike some other people ^ So don't answer and let the people who are on-topic post. | ||
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LuckyMacro
United States1482 Posts
I'll miss you :[ | ||
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Khai
Australia551 Posts
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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SkelA
Macedonia13032 Posts
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
On August 29 2013 17:37 SkelA wrote: Why is this in BW forum and not in SC2 ? Last time i checked he played SC2 I think it's funny that you consider yourself a KHAN fan and then make a post like this... | ||
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theking1
Romania658 Posts
On August 29 2013 17:17 MasterOfPuppets wrote: It's Blizzard's fault for killing professional BW and forcing Kespa to switch to SC2 even though not all players enjoy the game. blizzard didn't kill anything.bw simply got replaced by it's newer version called sc2.And if you think kespa and ogn would have kept bw teams and broadcasted bw competition instead of lol ones..i highly disagree with you | ||
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
On August 29 2013 17:39 theking1 wrote: blizzard didn't kill anything.bw simply got replaced by it's newer version called sc2.And if you think kespa and ogn would have kept bw teams and broadcasted bw competition instead of lol ones..i highly disagree with you Well I know they would never have switched to SC2 of their own volition, considering how little popularity it has in Korea compared to either BW -or- LoL. | ||
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Glioburd
France1911 Posts
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endy
Switzerland8970 Posts
On August 29 2013 15:18 lichter wrote: On the one hand, I agree that if he didn't enjoy the game, then getting on with his life is the right choice. But on the other I see someone like Jaedong who did so poorly for a long period in SC2, but just won't fucking give up until he succeeds. Seriously ? Jangbi was working extremely hard and is certainly not someone who gives up easily. He did very well during the Dragons era, then fell into a huge and very long slump and ended up being nicknamed "pae-wang" ( = loser king) by journalists. Then he came back out of nowhere to win two OSL back to back. The real problem is that he was forced to switch to SC2 while he was dreaming of a Golden Mouse... | ||
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Kergy
Peru2011 Posts
On August 29 2013 17:39 theking1 wrote: blizzard didn't kill anything.bw simply got replaced by it's newer version called sc2.And if you think kespa and ogn would have kept bw teams and broadcasted bw competition instead of lol ones..i highly disagree with you uhmm no... Blizzard tried but ultimately, LoL replaced BW and became the long awaited BW2 in Korea | ||
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On August 29 2013 17:38 MasterOfPuppets wrote: I think it's funny that you consider yourself a KHAN fan and then make a post like this... What's funny is that you seem to think being a KHAN fan somehow means you should think this belongs in the BW forum. Anyway, if we all were to stop spitting insults, I think it's really sad that Jangbi is retiring - I thought for sure he was going to have some real success after watching him play toward the end of the PL season. But if you're not enjoying what you're doing when you're putting in as many hours as Jangbang no doubt was, then there's not much to do but call it a day. Hopefully he'll have a great life, whatever he chooses to do. On August 29 2013 17:37 SkelA wrote: Why is this in BW forum and not in SC2 ? Last time i checked he played SC2 How is a player's career ending because he's not enjoying himself great news? | ||
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
On August 29 2013 17:43 Zealously wrote: What's funny is that you seem to think being a KHAN fan somehow means you should think this belongs in the BW forum. Anyway, if we all were to stop spitting insults, I think it's really sad that Jangbi is retiring - I thought for sure he was going to have some real success after watching him play toward the end of the PL season. But if you're not enjoying what you're doing when you're putting in as many hours as Jangbang no doubt was, then there's not much to do but call it a day. Hopefully he'll have a great life, whatever he chooses to do. So you're renouncing JangBi's legacy in Brood War just because he plays a different game now? Maybe he still has people who give two shits about him in the BW community, don't you think they deserve to know about his retirement and discuss/mourn? | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
this is the danger zone | ||
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On August 29 2013 17:44 MasterOfPuppets wrote: So you're renouncing JangBi's legacy in Brood War just because he plays a different game now? Maybe he still has people who give two shits about him in the BW community, don't you think they deserve to know about his retirement and discuss/mourn? No I agree that it should be in the Brood War section, but wondering why it isn't in the Starcraft II-section since Jangbi hasn't had anything to do with Brood War for over a year isn't exactly a whacked-out thing to say (and it has little to do with team icons) On August 29 2013 17:45 Dodgin wrote: careful zealousy this is the danger zone All I see is gloating. But you're right, I'll leave. Sorry for stirring shit up. | ||
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GTR
51449 Posts
On August 29 2013 16:41 Kergy wrote: Does anyone have the comic from this thread saved? http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=238074 for some reason i only have this iconic image saved ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/jfN2FLT.jpg) | ||
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Pontius Pirate
United States1557 Posts
January 21st, 2013: "I found out how to properly play SC2 WoL. Ever since I found out exactly how I'm supposed to play a macro game, I've even been enjoying my practices. If there was ever a time in the beginning where I was feeling forced to practice, then right now I feel the complete opposite. Since I am putting in the effort to work hard, I am having fun and I think I'm making good results." April 10th, 2013: "After winning my final BW championship, I've been on a decline ever since my transition to HotS. However, I'm sure that's just one of many roads that I'll be able to take. It's time for me to start rising." In a video interview with Khaldor on the same day, he expressed resignation and frustration that he wouldn't get many opportunities to travel abroad, as Samsung only contracted the team out for events inside Korea. He also stated that he wished he could switch to Zerg, but he felt an obligation to the fans to stay as Protoss, which he found to be the race least suitable to his playstyle, and that the changes in HotS actually encouraged more defensive play from Protoss. While he clearly emphasized how much easier SC2 was than BW, he also specifically stated "even as a Brood War pro, I played Starcraft 2 as a hobby when I had time. They're both really fun games." April 13th, 2013: "I feel proud of the fact that I was responsible for the team's 200th victory today. I really hope I'm still here when we grab our 300th victory." (I just thought that this showed his commitment to his legacy) Guys, I hate to sound like I've got a tinfoil hat on, but I really don't think this is all about being bored with SC2. I think it's very likely that that is partially to blame, and that he feels Protoss isn't terribly fun, but I think the story is greatly oversimplifying his reasons for quitting. He's from the farthest city in SK from Seoul, so he probably doesn't get to see his family terribly often. He mentioned wanting to see his sister's wedding and his (potential) niece. He's got military service coming up in a year, and probably has only so much time he can get better. SC2 is a less remunerative career in Korea these days, and he probably was looking at his contract negotiations, comparing them with the years in which he was nearly top banana, and thinking "gee, this sucks!". Perhaps he felt that he was currently hitting a wall, much as Snute explored the psychology of in his recent blog. All of these were probably (except maybe hitting a wall, which is purely conjecture) on his mind and contributing to him not continuing his career. | ||
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myminerals
560 Posts
On August 29 2013 17:38 MasterOfPuppets wrote: I think it's funny that you consider yourself a KHAN fan and then make a post like this... I tend to think that waxangel did it on purpose, less trashtalk about SC2 decline and retirements | ||
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Aeleron
Australia71 Posts
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theking1
Romania658 Posts
On August 29 2013 17:40 MasterOfPuppets wrote: Well I know they would never have switched to SC2 of their own volition, considering how little popularity it has in Korea compared to either BW -or- LoL. to lol yes.to bw i dunno.i know bw is still more played in pc bangs but as a spectator esport i doubt it can make more numbers than sc2 on the long run.a game made in 98 can only be on tv for so long.But i may be wrong on that since according to pc bang statistics a lot of games are more popular than sc2. | ||
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NervO
Netherlands511 Posts
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Aserrin
Uruguay231 Posts
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PH
United States6173 Posts
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Cele
Germany4016 Posts
On August 29 2013 17:48 Zealously wrote: No I agree that it should be in the Brood War section, but wondering why it isn't in the Starcraft II-section since Jangbi hasn't had anything to do with Brood War for over a year isn't exactly a whacked-out thing to say (and it has little to do with team icons) All I see is gloating. But you're right, I'll leave. Sorry for stirring shit up. To be a bit more constructive: well of course this news should be in the sc2 forums as well as Jangbi played it for over a year now. However it's legit too, to post it in the BW section as his history with this game is longer and more meaningful to fans. I doubt Jangbi made ton of fans for what he did in sc2 or for what he achieved. A lot of his sc2 fans also remember his BW times fondly. So, as a player historically and emotionally he is stronger tied to the BW scene then to the sc2. On a different note: i don't think there is a reason why you coulnd't post a thread like this aswell in sc2 forums. So instead of arguing whether or not, why didnt you just create it there aswell? i would have posted a few nice words there too. topic: T_T Jangbi, you were one of my favorite all time Protoss players. i hope you fare well in whatever you do and i might see you in SRT /SSL. | ||
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ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
On August 29 2013 17:24 Zealously wrote: Some dignity would be nice but maybe I'm an optimist You're so cool. | ||
Epoxide
Magic Woods9326 Posts
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Lorch
Germany3682 Posts
Really sad to see someone like that go, I guess it's really hard to force yourself to play a worse version of what you actually fell in love with. | ||
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Vasoline73
United States7801 Posts
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Sawamura
Malaysia7602 Posts
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SuperRanger
United States2 Posts
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khellian
Korea (South)922 Posts
GLHF IRL JangBi! | ||
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
On August 29 2013 17:55 theking1 wrote: to lol yes.to bw i dunno.i know bw is still more played in pc bangs but as a spectator esport i doubt it can make more numbers than sc2 on the long run.a game made in 98 can only be on tv for so long.But i may be wrong on that since according to pc bang statistics a lot of games are more popular than sc2. When a game came out is irrelevant, what's relevant is how appealing it continues to be to its fans. And BW's unparalleled depth as an RTS game has it still be much more popular than SC2 in Korea. Most of GOM's views and viewers come from the Western audience. On August 29 2013 18:04 Epoxide wrote: Seeing him play BW on Brave's stream was nice. Maybe HyuN is next? HyuN's only been getting more successful in SC2 so I doubt it. | ||
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Ammanas
Slovakia2166 Posts
What will I do now? Who will be the player for me to watch all the matches? To hype up in everything? Who will now take your spot in my heart?! I am sad now. | ||
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DwD
Sweden8621 Posts
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CountZero71
Germany89 Posts
Good luck for him in the future!!! | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
That's so sad....Please go into Brood war again... That's so sad, the forced to play SC2 players that try hard and then quit after being good because they don't enjoy it | ||
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liberate71
Australia10252 Posts
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CursivE
Australia317 Posts
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Torpedo.Vegas
United States1890 Posts
On August 29 2013 17:17 MasterOfPuppets wrote: It's Blizzard's fault for killing professional BW and forcing Kespa to switch to SC2 even though not all players enjoy the game. Lets be honest here, yes Blizzard drove one of the, or the final nail in, but BW was not the healthy young esport it once was prior or during the whole legal battle. Remove SC2 from the equation all together and do you think BW would have maintained itself in light of the rise of other competitive esports like World of Tanks, Dota 2, LoL, etc? What of the effects from the betting scandal, or lack of expansion and outreach to a global audience? I'm not arguing quality of the experience for viewers and players here, I'm just pointing out it was a bit too comfortable in its niche position to have continued in a commanding capacity for too much longer in face of having to deal with actual competition to its esport's status. There are a lot of factors including Blizzard's handling of the situation for both BW and SC2 to place the fault ENTIRELY on their shoulders. Big names are leaving, but its not like there is a shortage of players. Would there be as much of an uproar about the state of the scene if a BW B-teamer retired from SC2 instead of someone like Jangbi? Maybe the expected Elephant's effects didnt upset the state of the room as much as people had anticipated. | ||
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United Kingdom3685 Posts
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SkelA
Macedonia13032 Posts
On August 29 2013 17:38 MasterOfPuppets wrote: I think it's funny that you consider yourself a KHAN fan and then make a post like this... I was a KHAN fan till 2012, the date when pro BW died i was done with BW/SC2. Nothing to do with my tag, just its weird to see no news in SC2 section while its in BW forum and he havent played BW for over a year . GL to Jangbi in life. He was my 2nd favorite protoss after Stork obviously. | ||
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Qikz
United Kingdom12022 Posts
On August 29 2013 17:51 Pontius Pirate wrote: November 11th, 2012: "SC2 is a new challenge for me. There are many new things in SC2 that are different from BW. I'm beginning to develop a new passion that I didn't feel while playing BW. It's great that Korean players now get the opportunity to go abroad and experience many new things, and I want to attend foreign events if possible, too." January 21st, 2013: "I found out how to properly play SC2 WoL. Ever since I found out exactly how I'm supposed to play a macro game, I've even been enjoying my practices. If there was ever a time in the beginning where I was feeling forced to practice, then right now I feel the complete opposite. Since I am putting in the effort to work hard, I am having fun and I think I'm making good results." April 10th, 2013: "After winning my final BW championship, I've been on a decline ever since my transition to HotS. However, I'm sure that's just one of many roads that I'll be able to take. It's time for me to start rising." In a video interview with Khaldor on the same day, he expressed resignation and frustration that he wouldn't get many opportunities to travel abroad, as Samsung only contracted the team out for events inside Korea. He also stated that he wished he could switch to Zerg, but he felt an obligation to the fans to stay as Protoss, which he found to be the race least suitable to his playstyle, and that the changes in HotS actually encouraged more defensive play from Protoss. While he clearly emphasized how much easier SC2 was than BW, he also specifically stated "even as a Brood War pro, I played Starcraft 2 as a hobby when I had time. They're both really fun games." April 13th, 2013: "I feel proud of the fact that I was responsible for the team's 200th victory today. I really hope I'm still here when we grab our 300th victory." (I just thought that this showed his commitment to his legacy) Guys, I hate to sound like I've got a tinfoil hat on, but I really don't think this is all about being bored with SC2. I think it's very likely that that is partially to blame, and that he feels Protoss isn't terribly fun, but I think the story is greatly oversimplifying his reasons for quitting. He's from the farthest city in SK from Seoul, so he probably doesn't get to see his family terribly often. He mentioned wanting to see his sister's wedding and his (potential) niece. He's got military service coming up in a year, and probably has only so much time he can get better. SC2 is a less remunerative career in Korea these days, and he probably was looking at his contract negotiations, comparing them with the years in which he was nearly top banana, and thinking "gee, this sucks!". Perhaps he felt that he was currently hitting a wall, much as Snute explored the psychology of in his recent blog. All of these were probably (except maybe hitting a wall, which is purely conjecture) on his mind and contributing to him not continuing his career. It's pretty interesting seeing all the interview questions at once like that. I'll miss you Jangbi. I mean I'm getting bored with SC2 now as well but the one thing I enjoyed were watching my favourite players play and although you were KHAN scum and beat Fantasy too often, I still liked you T_T | ||
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
On August 29 2013 18:15 Torpedo.Vegas wrote: Lets be honest here, yes Blizzard drove one of the, or the final nail in, but BW was not the healthy young esport it once was prior or during the whole legal battle. Remove SC2 from the equation all together and do you think BW would have maintained itself in light of the rise of other competitive esports like World of Tanks, Dota 2, LoL, etc? What of the effects from the betting scandal, or lack of expansion and outreach to a global audience? I'm not arguing quality of the experience for viewers and players here, I'm just pointing out it was a bit too comfortable in its niche position to have continued in a commanding capacity for too much longer in face of having to deal with actual competition to its esport's status. There are a lot of factors including Blizzard's handling of the situation for both BW and SC2 to place the fault ENTIRELY on their shoulders. Big names are leaving, but its not like there is a shortage of players. Would there be as much of an uproar about the state of the scene if a BW B-teamer retired from SC2 instead of someone like Jangbi? Maybe the expected Elephant's effects didnt upset the state of the room as much as people had anticipated. Oh don't get me wrong, I don't think it could have competed with LoL. As for WoT and DotA 2 that's debatable. (please bare in mind WC3 and DotA 1 are still quite popular in China and to a somewhat lesser extent Korea) But I do think it would have maintained some respectable numbers for a few more years. It certainly would have done better than SC2 in Korea. Whatever the case, I would have liked to see Blizzard not meddling in it and letting it just run its course. Let it retire with dignity, instead of force it be put to sleep in favor of a successor that has thus far been very much unsuccessful in Korea. When you're 60, do you want to try and live 15-20 more years, or would you rather someone just barge into your house and kill you randomly? | ||
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writer22816
United States5775 Posts
On August 29 2013 18:15 Torpedo.Vegas wrote: Lets be honest here, yes Blizzard drove one of the, or the final nail in, but BW was not the healthy young esport it once was prior or during the whole legal battle. Remove SC2 from the equation all together and do you think BW would have maintained itself in light of the rise of other competitive esports like World of Tanks, Dota 2, LoL, etc? I don't follow the SC2 scene but from what I've heard, it doesn't sound like SC2 is doing too great either against these games? I have a hard time imagining that BW would have done worse. BW has an extremely loyal fanbase and a long established history in Korea. | ||
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On August 29 2013 18:20 SkelA wrote: I was a KHAN fan till 2012, the date when pro BW died i was done with BW/SC2. Nothing to do with my tag, just its weird to see no news in SC2 section while its in BW forum and he havent played BW for over a year . GL to Jangbi in life. He was my 2nd favorite protoss after Stork obviously. this was posted in SC2 news and someone moved it to the BW forums, so yea | ||
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Romania6942 Posts
On August 29 2013 18:24 writer22816 wrote: I don't follow the SC2 scene but from what I've heard, it doesn't sound like SC2 is doing too great either against these games? I have a hard time imagining that BW would have done worse. BW has an extremely loyal fanbase and a long established history in Korea. Its history, its legacy and its sheer depth as a game would have carried it forward. Again, most likely not a serious competitor to LoL, but it still would be doing quite well. | ||
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WhX
Germany778 Posts
Hopefully he's going to stream BW. There's still SRT as well, so I don't mind this too much I guess. But still... Good luck Jangbi, and best of luck in your future endeavours! | ||
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On August 29 2013 14:21 BisuDagger wrote: Can't wait to see him stream BW. SRT awaits him. And Brave needs an ally for ex khan players. Poor Stork though is all alone. This. | ||
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On August 29 2013 18:26 MasterOfPuppets wrote: Its history, its legacy and its sheer depth as a game would have carried it forward. Again, most likely not a serious competitor to LoL, but it still would be doing quite well. Do you really think so? I remember people worrying about how the last OSL and PL were delayed because no one wanted to sponsor them. It kinda seems like OGN was to forced to make the switch to attract sponsors, even if those deals were only based on the promise that ''BW's sequel'' would eventually reinvigorate the declining korean esports scene. If only LoL had been released some months earlier... maybe it could've saved BW, much like it seems to be doing for SC2 right now. | ||
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Im just waiting for Bisu, Fantasy, Stork to deliver the same message... | ||
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Some caller on ITG just discussed how protoss in SC2 doesn't feel like protoss in BW which is closer to the terran in SC2. Perhaps if Jangbi tried terran. Ugh, nevermind.. | ||
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On August 29 2013 18:44 BadAim wrote: This really sucks, but I do understand his decision. Im just waiting for Bisu, Fantasy, Stork to deliver the same message... No way fantasy's retiring, though I do agree the days of the dragons are numbered. | ||
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what the fucckkk man we have no good protoss except rain now . our only hope was rain+jangbi the macro beasts and now is only rain alone ......... | ||
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United Kingdom4425 Posts
On August 29 2013 17:51 Pontius Pirate wrote: Guys, I hate to sound like I've got a tinfoil hat on, but I really don't think this is all about being bored with SC2. I think it's very likely that that is partially to blame, and that he feels Protoss isn't terribly fun, but I think the story is greatly oversimplifying his reasons for quitting. He's from the farthest city in SK from Seoul, so he probably doesn't get to see his family terribly often. He mentioned wanting to see his sister's wedding and his (potential) niece. He's got military service coming up in a year, and probably has only so much time he can get better. SC2 is a less remunerative career in Korea these days, and he probably was looking at his contract negotiations, comparing them with the years in which he was nearly top banana, and thinking "gee, this sucks!". Perhaps he felt that he was currently hitting a wall, much as Snute explored the psychology of in his recent blog. All of these were probably (except maybe hitting a wall, which is purely conjecture) on his mind and contributing to him not continuing his career. South Korea has some of the best transport infastructure in the world so it's actually super quick to get from Seoul-Busan, probably quicker than Seoul-some of the cities in the middle since the trains run down the coast. Jangbi could probably get from whereever Smasung Khan live in Seoul to his families house in Busan in around 3.5 hours. I think you're right that contract negotiations had something to do with it though. It might be possible to practice long hours of while not really enjoying the game/race/whatever when you're on that ace of the A team salary, but if they wanted to lower his salary it could definetly have made him question whether it was worth it to continue, and even possible to continue being a top player without that motivation. | ||
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On August 29 2013 14:40 Kergy wrote: Would love to see him try, there's an old pro BW protoss doing quite well in LoL these days. Huh who? On August 29 2013 18:19 Sayle wrote: Great, now who am I supposed to cockblock. Lol what? I'd like to hear that story. On August 29 2013 15:01 myminerals wrote: Bisu had a ton to prove on while he was in BW. Never actually won anything from the days of Savior! I always said he had not fighter's spirit, something that makes old veterans like JD still play. Not sure I agree with this. Bisu was insanely strong in the '12 or '11 PL season, and focused well and fought hard even in the tense and high stakes games. He just had bad luck or nerves in the OSL. | ||
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On August 29 2013 18:09 SuperRanger wrote: He was my favorite programmer TT.TT gl Jangbi! Such a dedicated C++ person | ||
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SOSPA scene is about to become Protoss heavy. | ||
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nice chinese show matches with jangbi the possibilities are endless!! | ||
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A year with Jangbi streams! | ||
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On August 29 2013 19:30 endy wrote: I'm pretty sure Stork is next. I don't see him playing SC2 much longer with such awful results. SOSPA scene is about to become Protoss heavy. Let's hope if becomes a little more Dragon heavy. BW needs Stork vs Bisu once again. | ||
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On August 29 2013 19:41 EthanOz wrote: I understand when a player with no results retires, but this guy is code S. This is just terrible. It is lack of passion or something like that... He said he lost interest. | ||
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Russian Federation3209 Posts
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Korea (South)2066 Posts
After the switch to SC2 I watched and read all games and interviews with JangBI, he was the example to me with his play and his attitude: hard work never betrays. In his 1st SC2 game he destroyed Iris with his storms, then he destroyed Jaedong with his dark templar build, from the beginning he shew smart builds and heavy micro. He was my very favorite player with Life and was the reason to watch SC2 and root so hard for him, I want to name my pet JangBi. Now I am really lost and I dunno when I can watch or play SC2 again without my favorite player and source of inspiration. | ||
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Netherlands1286 Posts
Hey atleast Fantasy can win his second OSL now! (Oh how I wish) | ||
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On August 29 2013 19:52 DiMano wrote: NO NO NO NO After the switch to SC2 I watched and read all games and interviews with JangBI, he was the example to me with his play and his attitude: hard work never betrays. In his 1st SC2 game he destroyed Iris with his storms, then he destroyed Jaedong with his dark templar build, from the beginning he shew smart builds and heavy micro. He was my very favorite player with Life and was the reason to watch SC2 and root so hard for him, I want to name my pet JangBi. Now I am really lost and I dunno when I can watch or play SC2 again without my favorite player and source of inspiration. i somehow feel the same . man jangbi was such a monster i still remember jangbi vs TY . what a sick example of how to be a MACRO TOSS . and now this . i hope he would say what sucks at the game before leaving . | ||
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On August 29 2013 14:26 ShiroKaisen wrote: Unfortunately, I feel like this is gonna keep happening now that Woongjin is disbanding probably and KeSPA is restructuring. Hopefully they all come and play SOSPA at least. I want more Jangbi Carriers. this happens again 2-3 times - I stop giving any fucks about the game at all, not like anyone would miss me. | ||
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Switzerland745 Posts
On August 29 2013 20:03 riyanme wrote: in other news, STORK and BISU will announce their retirement............ Looking forwad to hearing this soon | ||
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Didn't know him as much as BW fans but I freaking loved him and he was starting to play really well in HotS . | ||
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Bisutopia19235 Posts
On August 29 2013 14:47 lichter wrote: JD won't retire. He has got that competitive fire that won't die until he wins something. For some reason, retirees are mostly protoss Protoss players retiring is not really a big surprise. SC2 is a completely different game then SC1. They are like distant cousins. On August 29 2013 14:26 ShiroKaisen wrote: Unfortunately, I feel like this is gonna keep happening now that Woongjin is disbanding probably and KeSPA is restructuring. Hopefully they all come and play SOSPA at least. I want more Jangbi Carriers. Woongjin disbanding hasn't been in the news as far as I've seen. Through out a source with comments like that plz. | ||
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On August 29 2013 14:26 ShiroKaisen wrote: Unfortunately, I feel like this is gonna keep happening now that Woongjin is disbanding probably and KeSPA is restructuring. Hopefully they all come and play SOSPA at least. I want more Jangbi Carriers. Wait whay ? Did i miss something ? | ||
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Australia318 Posts
On August 29 2013 18:15 Torpedo.Vegas wrote: Lets be honest here, yes Blizzard drove one of the, or the final nail in, but BW was not the healthy young esport it once was prior or during the whole legal battle. Remove SC2 from the equation all together and do you think BW would have maintained itself in light of the rise of other competitive esports like World of Tanks, Dota 2, LoL, etc? What of the effects from the betting scandal, or lack of expansion and outreach to a global audience? I'm not arguing quality of the experience for viewers and players here, I'm just pointing out it was a bit too comfortable in its niche position to have continued in a commanding capacity for too much longer in face of having to deal with actual competition to its esport's status. There are a lot of factors including Blizzard's handling of the situation for both BW and SC2 to place the fault ENTIRELY on their shoulders. Big names are leaving, but its not like there is a shortage of players. Would there be as much of an uproar about the state of the scene if a BW B-teamer retired from SC2 instead of someone like Jangbi? Maybe the expected Elephant's effects didnt upset the state of the room as much as people had anticipated. it really doesnt matter tbh if bw is not as pop as the other esports genres. the fact of the matter is esports will always have a rts, and right now sc2 is in that spotlight but its not doing a very good job at it. the only thing sc2 has going for it atm is its strong western community base and is more accessible to current generation, 3d graphics and select all army, etc. but in terms of gameplay mechanics and depth, and its fun factor.. yeah its leaps and bounds behind bw.. | ||
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I understand sc2 isn't bw, but still... what? you've got to go with your heart, I guess. | ||
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Best of luck for JangBang! User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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2007 – 2013-08-29 Samsung KHAN fuck my life | ||
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On August 29 2013 19:03 GolemMadness wrote: Feels like so many retirements these days. Maybe not actually, but that's how it feels. This is true, but people should keep in mind that august/september tends to be busy months in terms of acquirements and retirements. Just to name a few: - August 10, 2011, Hero join Teamliquid - August 16, 2011, HuK join EG (leaving Teamliquid) - September, 2010, Idra and Tasteless join EG - September 1, 2012, EG and SlayerS partnership comes to an end - September 10, 2012, Stephano join EG There is a lot more, but the point is that people shouldn't panic because we have seen a few players retire within a short time. Universities often time begins in september, and august/sepemtber is also when player contracts end, which means that it is a good time to retire. | ||
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Kipsate
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good luck in life Jangbang, I will remember your storms and your carriers. | ||
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United States4791 Posts
On August 29 2013 21:01 juvenal wrote: And don't you forget that Boxer, most of the PL teams captains (hoejja, leta, calm), FBH himself and almost entire AirForceAce have ninja retired too. 2007 – 2013-08-29 Samsung KHAN fuck my life To present that information accurately, Boxer is the head coach for SKT and FBH is a caster for GOM. It's not like Boxer went 'this game is poo, I'm out.' | ||
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Australia2028 Posts
On August 29 2013 21:08 Prog455 wrote: This is true, but people should keep in mind that august/september tends to be busy months in terms of acquirements and retirements. Just to name a few: - August 10, 2011, Hero join Teamliquid - August 16, 2011, HuK join EG (leaving Teamliquid) - September, 2010, Idra and Tasteless join EG - September 1, 2012, EG and SlayerS partnership comes to an end - September 10, 2012, Stephano join EG There is a lot more, but the point is that people shouldn't panic because we have seen a few players retire within a short time. Universities often time begins in september, and august/sepemtber is also when player contracts end, which means that it is a good time to retire. I don't remember it being quite like that... 2010 and then 2011, I'd guess, without checking. This is a huge surprise to me. There have been a few recently but this one blows the others out of the water. STX Soul finishing means even more to me actually (which might seem funny given that Woongjin just lost the finals to them) but it was less of a surprise. Both very sad news. | ||
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A bit off topic, but does anyone know who will get his spot in group C? Such a short time to find a replacement. On August 29 2013 21:30 LuckoftheIrish wrote: To present that information accurately, Boxer is the head coach for SKT and FBH is a caster for GOM. It's not like Boxer went 'this game is poo, I'm out.' I'm not sure HoeJJa is retired either, not playing of course, but he still gets shown on camera occasionally when KT plays, and so far as I know is still captain. | ||
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On August 29 2013 21:30 LuckoftheIrish wrote: To present that information accurately, Boxer is the head coach for SKT and FBH is a caster for GOM. It's not like Boxer went 'this game is poo, I'm out.' the point is we will not see them play nevermore. Sad huh? And yeah, I am happy they got job in the industry they were born in, they're probably ok with it now. | ||
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Hungary5214 Posts
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TaShadan
Germany1970 Posts
On August 29 2013 18:50 paradoxOO9 wrote: Of all the Brood War players to retire he was the one of the people I would have expected to do it the least, he was actually doing pretty damn well. Good luck with whatever he does in future Doing well and having fun with a game is not the same. | ||
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Canada33091 Posts
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Japan2474 Posts
On August 29 2013 14:22 MysteryMeat1 wrote: stork, second in everything... This is too good XDDD GL HF Jangbi. I really admire you for your play in the last OSL final. First time ever when I learned how a real champ does it + Show Spoiler + I mean he tells Kim Carrier carriers suck in the current map pool, and then brings it out in game one out of no where (I guess mind games), and WINS with it. Such a champ. | ||
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. Hopefully we see him in SSL, new BW amateur bonjwa. | ||
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United States44319 Posts
I'm so sad... Best of luck in the future <3 | ||
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On August 29 2013 18:01 Aserrin wrote: Don't worry guys, LoL would've killed BW anyways Problem yo: BW isn't dead yet. Anytime someone brings that up I laugh because it has no real meaning. | ||
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) and could only go up from there. anyway, i'm expecting him to stream broodwar and he better!if flash retires from sc2, i'll quit following it as well | ||
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N.geNuity
United States5112 Posts
he'll have plenty of times to hit the old pc bangs now | ||
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United States545 Posts
Best of luck to Jangbi tho | ||
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thanks for the awesome games jangbi | ||
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On August 29 2013 22:04 CamoPillbox wrote: as predicted everyone jumping out from sinking ship more retire to come... (ship=sc2) Thank you for clarifying what the ship was in this particular analogy I was unsure | ||
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On August 29 2013 21:30 Fuchsteufelswild wrote: I don't remember it being quite like that... 2010 and then 2011, I'd guess, without checking. According to Liquipedia this is when it happened. | ||
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Russian Federation88 Posts
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Germany393 Posts
( no more Jangbang. | ||
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On August 29 2013 17:28 bo1b wrote: Looking past faults is something that naniwa fans are good at, surely you can look past the bw forums problems. This community seriously depresses me sometimes with the bitchyness of some of our more frequent posters. They take every chance they get to take a stab at another member or a pro player. Or in this case 2 for the price of one. It's like watching the Real Housewives of Team Liquid. Growing up a bit would be appear to be a good idea. A cliche suggestion however you'd be surprised how little you want to take shots at people every chance you get when you start to realize your perspective is more important than anything and from there you really star to grow as a person. ----------------------- ---------------------------------- Anyway....as someone who never watched bw pro scene and yet still knew the name Jangbi I had been eagerly anticipating his return to being one of the top tier players of sc2; similar as to what Jaedong.has accomplished. He finally got into Code S recently and it was looking to only continue rising upward. So this is some truly unfortunate news, but since he's leaving not exactly on top not having won anything at all really, he still at least proved himself in SC2 by performing well enough to make it into Code S. | ||
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Group C is much more wimpy without him, he was a top protoss. | ||
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Is JangBi the first SC2 pro to quit explicitly because of not liking SC2? I imagine he won't be the last (Bisubisubisu). SC2 Protoss is such a bland race | ||
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On August 29 2013 23:07 Ribbon wrote: I love how someone retiring from SC2 is put in the BW section because everyone assumes he'll join SOSPA. Is JangBi the first SC2 pro to quit explicitly because of not liking SC2? I imagine he won't be the last (Bisubisubisu). SC2 Protoss is such a bland race There are several players who have already done so and on record for saying they didn't have the same drive. | ||
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On August 29 2013 23:07 Ribbon wrote: I love how someone retiring from SC2 is put in the BW section because everyone assumes he'll join SOSPA. Is JangBi the first SC2 pro to quit explicitly because of not liking SC2? I imagine he won't be the last (Bisubisubisu). SC2 Protoss is such a bland race I noticed that the last three high profile retirements of ex-BW pros were protoss. Keeping all their units in a tight ball must be boring the shit out of ex-BW protoss. Especially the more aggressive ones like Jangbi and Bisu. Not Stork, though. He loves his carrier deathballs. | ||
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On August 29 2013 23:10 ETisME wrote: this should be put in starcraft 2 forum too, I almost missed this It's in the Community News so it's visible for everyone and not only for those who keeps an eye on the bw forum. Seems a bit odd though as Jangbi and all the others who switched retired there and then as far as bw goes. | ||
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Hopefully he hasn't lost his passion for bw and we'll see him in some of the bw tournaments/leagues. | ||
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Best of luck to Jangbi in his future~ | ||
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but oh well.. I really really hope that the love for BW is still strong in him and that he is going to play in SOSPA events ! go go go ! | ||
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N.geNuity
United States5112 Posts
On August 29 2013 16:34 Fionn wrote: It's alright. Innovation disliked BW and loves SC2. All hail our cardboard personality hero. he didn't dislike bw, but it's very easy to pinpoint the second when bogus said "fuck this shit". It's a moment every terran player has. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/102934_INnoVation_vs_sOs/vod no gg :p that's actually nada fangirls screaming in terror lol. You can hear them scream in joy earlier in the game when jangbi loses a shuttle and reaver. | ||
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United States702 Posts
. Best of luck to Jangbi. | ||
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Come play BW Jangbi! | ||
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On August 30 2013 00:07 forumtext wrote: Sad day for Starcraft 2. | ||
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chesshaha
United States1117 Posts
Even Jangbi really didn't do good in SC2, but he's BW career was remarkable. | ||
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France3318 Posts
jangbi was the best protoss the only one able to really claim the crown aside proleague machine bisu edit : oh and fuck blizzard and sc2 User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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France10201 Posts
On August 30 2013 00:15 Boonbag wrote: fucking army duty jangbi was the best protoss the only one able to really claim the crown aside proleague machine bisu edit : oh and fuck blizzard and sc2 You should edit your edit. | ||
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I wish him well, wherever his life takes him from here. | ||
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On August 30 2013 00:15 chesshaha wrote: The last BW OSL Champ! Thanks for the amazing games! Even Jangbi really didn't do good in SC2, but he's BW career was remarkable. Did you watch his games??? He was the best ace player in SPL and was top 3 protoss overall after Rain and sOs. Such players as JangBi are diamonds which make this game popular. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On August 30 2013 00:36 ChoiSulli wrote: Its easy to see who the BW fans are here, everyone really excited!!! SCII fans have nothing to be sad about though. You can probably storm like Jangbi yourself in SCII ^^, we have been missing Jangbi storms in BW for 2 years. This is like the reverse of when BW players first started switching to SCII... Jangbi is going to bring with him a tone of fans (girls particularly) and will probably give courage to more players to do the same. Im hoping this is the start of something real big. Jangbi Hwaiting! A lot of you seem to be forgetting that although guys like BeSt and co. are making brief returns to BW they still have military service come this September. | ||
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Subversive
Australia2229 Posts
On August 30 2013 00:36 ChoiSulli wrote: Its easy to see who the BW fans are here, everyone really excited!!! SCII fans have nothing to be sad about though. You can probably storm like Jangbi yourself in SCII ^^, we have been missing Jangbi storms in BW for 2 years. This is like the reverse of when BW players first started switching to SCII... Jangbi is going to bring with him a tone of fans (girls particularly) and will probably give courage to more players to do the same. Im hoping this is the start of something real big. Jangbi Hwaiting! What the fuck are you talking about? Heaps of bw fans are sad. For one, no more games in sc2 - you don't need to hate sc2 to like bw. And two, he's going to the military - not bw. That's 2 years out. Who knows if he'll even play either game when he's out. | ||
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_Animus_
Bulgaria1064 Posts
Jangbi who become my very first favorite player in the Jin Air OSL, the man who made the best OSL final ive ever seen. There is no such feeling delivered by any BW player or game to me before the rise of his legend. Sadly this was only for a short time, cuz sc2 ruined it, now its even more sad cuz he is retiring. What a career he couldve had if this shitty sc2 wasnt killed BW. Bows to you almighty hero, the greatest of them all! I have hope that he will join Sospa scene, cuz in an interview after the last BW OSL he said that BW is sacred thing for him. A game that has inspired him to achieve what he is known for, to be the champion. He said also that he will play BW even if there is no one still playing it. Much love for you JangBang, hope to see you soon in BW! | ||
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DiMano
Korea (South)2066 Posts
On August 30 2013 00:42 _Animus_ wrote: When i saw this thread in the sidebar i was like slaped right in the face. Jangbi who become my very first favorite player in the Jin Air OSL, the man who made the best OSL final ive ever seen. There is no such feeling delivered by any BW player or game to me before the rise of his legend. Sadly this was only for a short time, cuz sc2 ruined it, now its even more sad cuz he is retiring. What a career he couldve had if this shitty sc2 wasnt killed BW. Bows to you almighty hero, the greatest of them all! I have hope that he will join Sospa scene, cuz in an interview after the last BW OSL he said that BW is sacred thing for him. A game that has inspired him to achieve what he is known for, to be the champion. He said also that he will play BW even if there is no one still playing it. Much love for you JangBang, hope to see you soon in BW! Oh god it is not SC2 what ruined it is the shift of popularity to LoL and even WoT and lack of SC2 leagues in korea stop being stupid BW fans I like BW and SC2 and I will never say bad things about these games. | ||
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CrayonPopChoa
Canada761 Posts
On August 30 2013 00:42 Subversive wrote: What the fuck are you talking about? Heaps of bw fans are sad. For one, no more games in sc2 - you don't need to hate sc2 to like bw. And two, he's going to the military - not bw. That's 2 years out. Who knows if he'll even play either game when he's out. I thought it said he would take a year off? A lot can change in that time, by then the scene might be strong enough for him to stay. Also you are right he wont be playing SCII but he will be playing BW. As a BW fan I would rather see him stream on snipelot and play in SOSPA then in Code S. | ||
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TanKLoveR
Venezuela838 Posts
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ladysman09
237 Posts
On August 29 2013 14:18 Msr wrote: good decision by him. Amazing player that is not able to showcase his skills with how stupidly protoss is designed in sc2. Sad to see him go though. If Protoss has such a stupid design then how do great elephants like Rain perform so well? Janbi just doesn't have the drive that JD or Flash or Innovation have. He's not motivated so he just chose to give up. | ||
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Subversive
Australia2229 Posts
On August 30 2013 00:45 ChoiSulli wrote: I thought it said he would take a year off? A lot can change in that time, by then the scene might be strong enough for him to stay. Also you are right he wont be playing SCII but he will be playing BW. As a BW fan I would rather see him stream on snipelot and play in SOSPA then in Code S. hm true. It does say the year part, I forgot in my grief sorry. It's still a tragedy imo. I can see why you're happy to (probably) see him play some more bw though. | ||
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Jaaaaasper
United States10225 Posts
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
On August 30 2013 00:52 ladysman09 wrote: If Protoss has such a stupid design then how do great elephants like Rain perform so well? Janbi just doesn't have the drive that JD or Flash or Innovation have. He's not motivated so he just chose to give up. I'd like to point out that even FlaSh himself (among other pros) pointed out there's a discrepancy between how the races play out in Brood War and how they play out in SC2, and that SC2 Protoss plays very much like BW Terran. Maybe Sun is better at adapting to this different style than JangBi is. | ||
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Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
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thezanursic
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illidanx
United States973 Posts
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United States988 Posts
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_Animus_
Bulgaria1064 Posts
On August 30 2013 00:45 DiMano wrote: Oh god it is not SC2 what ruined it is the shift of popularity to LoL and even WoT and lack of SC2 leagues in korea stop being stupid BW fans I like BW and SC2 and I will never say bad things about these games. LOL SC2 is so fucked up that a child can see it, thats a big baloon in which companies throw big money to keep it flying, its just that in Korea the baloon has been popped, because Koreans have better understanding of the two games than most of the global sc2 spectators and players. Also hearing from SC2 players and reading posts here, it seems like many of them lose interest in the game. Blizzard messed up all of the race characteristics which is hell for the switching players, making nothing like sequel of the first game, not to mention how unentertaining and shallow is compared to the its predecessor. Its shame how far SC2 is from the Starcraft form and spirit. How about the visual design? Older rts games like CnC 3 and Universe At War, did much greater job at looking realistic, epic and inspiring. SC2 has so many animations that makes no sense and its all dark and monotonous. It would have been a good game if it was not pretending to be a superrior sequel. | ||
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Sabu113
United States11047 Posts
Wonder if we'll see an inteview with his honest opinion about SC2. Hopefully blizz will read it and make the changes the game desperately needs to be somewhat as interesting as BW. | ||
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
On August 30 2013 01:17 Sabu113 wrote: That's sad. Guess I can change my khan insignia though. Wonder if we'll see an inteview with his honest opinion about SC2. Hopefully blizz will read it and make the changes the game desperately needs to be somewhat as interesting as BW. Whether or not we'll see an interview like that with JangBi, I have no clue. But I do know that if he speaks his real mind on the topic, Blizzard's public response (if any) will be "we appreciate your feedback and will look into these issues very closely" while in reality doing nothing more than writing him off as a nostalgic / someone who couldn't adapt etc etc. Just like they did with the chunk of the community that has spoken out so many times on SC2's game design. | ||
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juvenal
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IcookTacos
Sweden295 Posts
If he feels that way, I'm sure its the best decision for him, I'm just sad we can't see anymore JangBang's in PL. | ||
2Pacalypse-
Croatia9502 Posts
On August 30 2013 00:42 Subversive wrote: What the fuck are you talking about? Heaps of bw fans are sad. For one, no more games in sc2 - you don't need to hate sc2 to like bw. And two, he's going to the military - not bw. That's 2 years out. Who knows if he'll even play either game when he's out. Why would any BW fan be sad about potentially seeing him play BW for a year? It's not like he was forced or made to quit SC2, he made the decision for himself. So as a JangBi fan I want him to do what makes him happy; and as a BW fan, I would be really happy about seeing him play BW for a year. | ||
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Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
On August 30 2013 00:52 ladysman09 wrote: If Protoss has such a stupid design then how do great elephants like Rain perform so well? Janbi just doesn't have the drive that JD or Flash or Innovation have. He's not motivated so he just chose to give up. Protoss being badly designed isn't a balance whine. It's widely agreed that they're the most boring race because they can't split up their army effectively and just kind of death ball. Even Blizzard has all but said as much, given David Kim's comments on the oracle every other interview. When a Terran plays against a Zerg or another Terran, there's at least the hope of a Brood War quality TvT or Brood War quality TvZ, even if it doesn't happen nearly often enough. But Protoss? I've never seen an r/starcraft thread about "OMG this PvZ game was so good!". It's no surprise it's all the KeSPA protoss retiring. | ||
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Subversive
Australia2229 Posts
On August 30 2013 01:37 2Pacalypse- wrote: Why would any BW fan be sad about potentially seeing him play BW for a year? It's not like he was forced or made to quit SC2, he made the decision for himself. So as a JangBi fan I want him to do what makes him happy; and as a BW fan, I would be really happy about seeing him play BW for a year. Any time one of your favourite players retire it's sad. I'm a fan of Jangbi more than I am of him playing amatuer broodwar for a year. I'd still like to see him play sc2. This doesn't not make me a bw fan, it just makes me want to see my favourite player not retire. | ||
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_Animus_
Bulgaria1064 Posts
On August 30 2013 01:28 juvenal wrote: With the renovation of kespa may be it will be possible to gather a solid amateur scene, find a sponsor and run the shit as the official kespa event? Gaining more attention, probably gathering more ex-pros. One can dream. If many dream about it, it becomes a reality. lol im no joking infact there are scientific proof on how collective thought can shape the real life. Too lazy too bring some articles but if anyone is interested search it. So better keep on dreaming. | ||
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myminerals
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
On August 30 2013 01:41 Ribbon wrote: But Protoss? I've never seen an r/starcraft thread about "OMG this PvZ game was so good!". It's no surprise it's all the KeSPA protoss retiring. Hey it happened once! In the grim days where PvZ was "cheese/all-in every game or die", a young up and comer by the name of SlayerS`Brown qualified for Code A and went straight into Code S after beating LosirA in the Ro24 with a 3-base macro style Protoss. Sadly he got nuked in the following season of Code S and never really accomplished anything from that point on. Now jokes aside, I very much agree with your post. On August 30 2013 01:41 Ribbon wrote: It's no surprise it's all the KeSPA protoss retiring. Honestly I find it's quite sad they'd stick to their race despite it not playing in the same way as it did in Brood War... I think it would be worth a shot to change races, but if they're at the point where they've completely lost any interest in or passion for SC2 then there's no helping it. Can't really blame them either way. | ||
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malady
United States600 Posts
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forumtext
575 Posts
I sincerely hope that Blizzard will prove me wrong. | ||
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ballasdontcry
Canada595 Posts
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Gendo
United Kingdom216 Posts
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xsnac
Barbados1365 Posts
On August 30 2013 00:52 ladysman09 wrote: If Protoss has such a stupid design then how do great elephants like Rain perform so well? Janbi just doesn't have the drive that JD or Flash or Innovation have. He's not motivated so he just chose to give up. how is JD and flash protoss players ? tell me another kick ass toss that is great at sc2 and was GOSU in broodwar . bisu ? stork ? jangbi ? y sure . jangbi and rain are the best macro protoss players. other protoss players mix in allins more often then any othre races . | ||
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haka
United States1414 Posts
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amazingxkcd
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
On August 30 2013 02:00 ballasdontcry wrote: blizzard HAS to make more radical changes in LotV to revive interest in the game, not just add 1 or 2 gimmicky units for each race (cough swarm host). if that means that the major mechanics have to be reworked (warpgates, mech, etc) then so be it. also add in high ground mechanics. the fact that sc2 does not have high ground mechanics is completely ridiculous | ||
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Kyuki
Sweden1867 Posts
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pebble444
Italy2497 Posts
That emotion at the last OSL final was frekin epic. One can hope indeed in the return of Pro bw | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On August 30 2013 02:13 amazingxkcd wrote: also add in high ground mechanics. the fact that sc2 does not have high ground mechanics is completely ridiculous I want this! It also allows you to defend with much less and will break the deathball a bit more imo. Still, can't wait to see Jangbi stream some BW. | ||
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a176
Canada6688 Posts
Thank you Jangbi for everything. For bringing us two of the best OSLs ever. | ||
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amazingxkcd
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Prog455
Denmark970 Posts
On August 30 2013 02:00 ballasdontcry wrote: blizzard HAS to make more radical changes in LotV to revive interest in the game, not just add 1 or 2 gimmicky units for each race (cough swarm host). if that means that the major mechanics have to be reworked (warpgates, mech, etc) then so be it. I think that most people would agree with out. The problem is that DB and DK appear to be too proud for their own good when it comes to their previous designs. | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On August 30 2013 02:42 amazingxkcd wrote: Going from rumors heard on twitch chat, Pusan mentioned that Jangbi will be playing in SOSPA for a bit Pusan good friends with Jangbi? Good news regardless! | ||
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Kal_rA
United States2925 Posts
On August 30 2013 02:38 a176 wrote: Fuck. If Jangbi bailed out, I feel there's probably more who will follow suit (looking at you, Stork, Bisu). Thank you Jangbi for everything. For bringing us two of the best OSLs ever. dude yes. game 5 vs fantasy and game 4 vs zero. epicepicepic | ||
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2Pacalypse-
Croatia9502 Posts
On August 30 2013 01:45 Subversive wrote: Any time one of your favourite players retire it's sad. I'm a fan of Jangbi more than I am of him playing amatuer broodwar for a year. I'd still like to see him play sc2. This doesn't not make me a bw fan, it just makes me want to see my favourite player not retire. Why is that sad? He said it himself that he lost interest in SC2. So you would rather have him do something that he's not enjoying than something that makes him happy; what kind of fan are you? It sounds like you're not a fan of JangBi, but a fan of JangBi playing SC2. | ||
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Operations
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Dakure
United States513 Posts
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Kittan
Poland3999 Posts
ITS TIME FOR SOME GODDAMN ZVP IN SSL! | ||
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InDaHouse
Sweden956 Posts
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icyF
Finland305 Posts
Hopefully we get to see some Jangbi storms in SSL! | ||
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Titusmaster6
United States5937 Posts
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EpiK
Korea (South)5757 Posts
.... (after bisu ofc) It's truly unfortunate (both for the scene and him), that the BW scene had to die right when he was about to peak. | ||
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BraveProbe
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Best of luck to him. | ||
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chaosTheory_14cc
Canada1270 Posts
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France4120 Posts
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iFU.pauline
France1556 Posts
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HaFnium
United Kingdom1074 Posts
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Lucumo
6850 Posts
On August 30 2013 03:03 EpiK wrote: my favorite dragon .... (after bisu ofc) It's truly unfortunate (both for the scene and him), that the BW scene had to die right when he was about to peak. Hm, I always think he profited from the game(BW) not being played 100% anymore. Still, he definitely emerged from his slump in a really awesome way, Jangbi, paeh-wang no more. | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On August 30 2013 03:18 HaFnium wrote: I do not think he was ever interested in SC2.... it's debatable imo. Obviously not as much as KeSPA B-teamers who switched when it released but it's possible that he relished the thought of another starcraft game to dominate. Alas, it was not to his liking if we take his statement at face value and ignore his previous statements. On August 30 2013 02:47 2Pacalypse- wrote: Why is that sad? He said it himself that he lost interest in SC2. So you would rather have him do something that he's not enjoying than something that makes him happy; what kind of fan are you? It sounds like you're not a fan of JangBi, but a fan of JangBi playing SC2. this. If you're a fan of a player then you should be happy if they stop playing a game they don't like because otherwise they are forced into playing it. If you're sad about that, well, dunno what kind of fan you are then lol. | ||
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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
On August 30 2013 03:18 HaFnium wrote: I do not think he was ever interested in SC2.... I honestly think this can be said for a lot of SC2 progamers | ||
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Lucumo
6850 Posts
On August 30 2013 03:24 floor exercise wrote: I honestly think this can be said for a lot of SC2 progamers Definitely, but it's scary to retire if you have nothing to fall back on. So many players just kept on going. | ||
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Canada170 Posts
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AmorVincitOmnia
Kenya3846 Posts
On August 30 2013 03:31 ooDi wrote: ..........WHAT???????? gives up his code S and go back to his hometown...? what is going on? He doesn't enjoy the game. | ||
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Sinedd
Poland7052 Posts
On August 30 2013 03:31 ooDi wrote: ..........WHAT???????? gives up his code S and go back to his hometown...? what is going on? got bored of what he was doing so he just dropped it.. fair enough he made enough money already apparently | ||
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EpiK
Korea (South)5757 Posts
On August 30 2013 02:46 BigFan wrote: Pusan good friends with Jangbi? Good news regardless! Wouldn't be surprised. They're both from the same city and both play protoss. | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On August 30 2013 03:34 Sinedd wrote: got bored of what he was doing so he just dropped it.. fair enough he made enough money already apparently 2 time OSL champ and a salary on top of that, I'm sure he made more than enough lol On August 30 2013 03:34 EpiK wrote: Wouldn't be surprised. They're both from the same city and both play protoss. hmm fair enough. He's from Busan right? | ||
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ladysman09
237 Posts
On August 30 2013 00:55 MasterOfPuppets wrote: I'd like to point out that even FlaSh himself (among other pros) pointed out there's a discrepancy between how the races play out in Brood War and how they play out in SC2, and that SC2 Protoss plays very much like BW Terran. Maybe Sun is better at adapting to this different style than JangBi is. Do you even have any proof that flash stated this? Or did you just "hear it in some interview video and now you can't find it."? | ||
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Acertos
France852 Posts
On August 30 2013 03:46 ladysman09 wrote: Do you even have any proof that flash stated this? Or did you just "hear it in some interview video and now you can't find it."? Yes he said it more than once and also that he regretted to not have chosen protoss. | ||
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
On August 30 2013 03:46 ladysman09 wrote: Do you even have any proof that flash stated this? Or did you just "hear it in some interview video and now you can't find it."? Wish granted: Q: Terran is the strongest race in BW. But Protoss is stronger in SC2. Have you thought about changing race? Flash: I am still regretting about that even to today. When I first played SC2, I was already thinking that Protoss is really good. Even now I still think that. The management of SC2’s Protoss is exactly the same as BW’s Terran. First, you defend, then you produce your composition, and then move out. The most urgent thing about SC2’s Terran is to ameliorate mech. In BW, going bio or going mech is a choice and will make your opponent guessing and confused. But now SC2 is 100% bio, so you can’t play mind game and you don’t have strategic choice. From this thread, a mere 10 days ago. And to his point, other people have stated in interviews a while back that Terran would fit Bisu better, but that is something I don't remember with any degree of accuracy or can be bothered to scour for. It might've been Coach Park, it might have been some Kespa pro, I don't know. | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On August 30 2013 03:46 ladysman09 wrote: Do you even have any proof that flash stated this? Or did you just "hear it in some interview video and now you can't find it."? I can verify he said this, that SCII protoss plays like BW terran. "Q: Terran is the strongest race in BW. But Protoss is stronger in SC2. Have you thought about changing race? Flash: I am still regretting about that even to today. When I first played SC2, I was already thinking that Protoss is really good. Even now I still think that. The management of SC2’s Protoss is exactly the same as BW’s Terran. First, you defend, then you produce your composition, and then move out. The most urgent thing about SC2’s Terran is to ameliorate mech. In BW, going bio or going mech is a choice and will make your opponent guessing and confused. But now SC2 is 100% bio, so you can’t play mind game and you don’t have strategic choice." Link: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=426074 | ||
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jpak
United States5045 Posts
But seriously, I'm surprised that there aren't more KeSPA players retiring right now(I guess we will see over the coming months). To be honest, though, I felt little emotion when I saw this news, but I think that's because I chose to not see SC2 as a legitimate successor to BW, but as an abomination that arose after BW was sacrificed on the altar of ESPORTS by Blizzard. Here's a game of Jangbi that I subbed more than a year ago if anyone's interested: Here is the associated thread if anyone's interested in that as well. | ||
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it_is_rizzo
Armenia12 Posts
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chyiwealwin
2 Posts
On August 30 2013 02:46 Kal_rA wrote: dude yes. game 5 vs fantasy and game 4 vs zero. epicepicepic cant agree more! | ||
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Muffloe
Sweden6061 Posts
Maybe this will motivate Stork to pick up the Khan-torch though | ||
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myminerals
560 Posts
On August 30 2013 03:54 jpak wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_J6-3l3hCm0 But seriously, I'm surprised that there aren't more KeSPA players retiring right now(I guess we will see over the coming months). To be honest, though, I felt little emotion when I saw this news, but I think that's because I chose to not see SC2 as a legitimate successor to BW, but as an abomination that arose after BW was sacrificed on the altar of ESPORTS by Blizzard. Here's a game of Jangbi that I subbed more than a year ago if anyone's interested: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMrNZUSAqX8 Here is the associated thread if anyone's interested in that as well. thanks a lot for your work man, I assume there are more subbed vods on your youtube channel? | ||
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jpak
United States5045 Posts
On August 30 2013 04:37 myminerals wrote: thanks a lot for your work man, I assume there are more subbed vods on your youtube channel? Just one other: I don't think I'll be subbing any more games, though. I already went over to "the dark side." That's right. SC2 was so appalling for me that I went over to LoL. | ||
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Dazed.
Canada3301 Posts
On August 30 2013 04:48 jpak wrote: Could of just stayed with bw, the community is still alive.Just one other: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFm4dhxaxRc I don't think I'll be subbing any more games, though. I already went over to "the dark side." That's right. SC2 was so appalling for me that I went over to LoL. | ||
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SkyTheUnknown
Germany2065 Posts
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myminerals
560 Posts
On August 30 2013 04:48 jpak wrote: Just one other: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFm4dhxaxRc I don't think I'll be subbing any more games, though. I already went over to "the dark side." That's right. SC2 was so appalling for me that I went over to LoL. ohh.. | ||
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Jindo
United States1305 Posts
The dragons are leaving | ||
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United States8486 Posts
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Lucumo
6850 Posts
On August 30 2013 03:54 jpak wrote: Here's a game of Jangbi that I subbed more than a year ago if anyone's interested: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMrNZUSAqX8 Here is the associated thread if anyone's interested in that as well. Can't watch right now. Is it the game with the epic commentary with how it's Protoss last stand, just like in the campaign etc? | ||
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United States2147 Posts
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Ettick
United States2434 Posts
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EpiK
Korea (South)5757 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + though he loses, jangbi played well and it was a gg | ||
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United States1551 Posts
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purgerinho
Croatia919 Posts
i was so happy to see him in code s and now this happens he really hates sc2 when he gave up code s spot, money in it and everything... old kings can't live in new age!i hope sospa is his new station! | ||
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Larvator
Ukraine87 Posts
On August 30 2013 01:49 myminerals wrote: Somebody should keep a close watch on the BW streams, we must not miss Jangbanging! Just follow snipealot2 | ||
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myminerals
560 Posts
On August 30 2013 05:42 EpiK wrote: ...let us not forget this game http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwcaoG7yCwA + Show Spoiler + though he loses, jangbi played well and it was a gg Cannot stop being impressed what a monster was JD in BW... Jangbi fighting! | ||
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Cele
Germany4016 Posts
On August 30 2013 01:37 2Pacalypse- wrote: Why would any BW fan be sad about potentially seeing him play BW for a year? It's not like he was forced or made to quit SC2, he made the decision for himself. So as a JangBi fan I want him to do what makes him happy; and as a BW fan, I would be really happy about seeing him play BW for a year. this. You can't expect BW fans to be sad because he quit sc2. I have lost all interest in sc2 over a year ago, so what? But ex pros retiring is GOOD news for me, when they are going to stream BW. Those two games share their player pool of korean pro's, so your loss is my gain. | ||
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RyLai
United States477 Posts
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pookums
151 Posts
On August 30 2013 03:31 ooDi wrote: ..........WHAT???????? gives up his code S and go back to his hometown...? what is going on? Yeah, I never really understood why people retire when they're in a similar case. Don't practice when you decide you want to retire but finish out any leagues you're in if they're as big as Code S. You might win a few extra dollars. | ||
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SheaR619
United States2399 Posts
On August 30 2013 03:46 ladysman09 wrote: Do you even have any proof that flash stated this? Or did you just "hear it in some interview video and now you can't find it."? Anyone who have any knowledge of BW can easily see this and dont really need an interview but I am sure someone already provided one anyways. It no brainer that terran in BW were the "turtle" race since terran had to go mech thus being very similiar to protoss but they also had the choice to go bio too in TvZ but any other match up they had to play a turtle mech style. Protoss style in BW revolve around a bunch of tier 1 (zealot and dragoon) units similar to terran going bio and playing very aggressive with them. | ||
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ZeeSC2
United States134 Posts
( I guess if he lost the passion for the game than why keep on playing when you have no motivation. | ||
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N.geNuity
United States5112 Posts
On August 30 2013 06:28 SheaR619 wrote: Anyone who have any knowledge of BW can easily see this and dont really need an interview but I am sure someone already provided one anyways. It no brainer that terran in BW were the "turtle" race since terran had to go mech thus being very similiar to protoss but they also had the choice to go bio too in TvZ but any other match up they had to play a turtle mech style. Protoss style in BW revolve around a bunch of tier 1 (zealot and dragoon) units similar to terran going bio and playing very aggressive with them. says unmanly terran fantasy, hiya, berserker, go.go (yeah I know T_T), turn (at the end) would kindly disagree protoss style in BW revolved around being a | ||
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Crisium
United States1618 Posts
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GWdeathscythe
Brazil1091 Posts
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On August 30 2013 06:44 N.geNuity wrote: says unmanly terran fantasy, hiya, berserker, go.go (yeah I know T_T), turn (at the end) would kindly disagree protoss style in BW revolved around being a I couldn't help laughing at your cross out XD gas steals by P were a pain to deal with when I played Terran. The BW protoss = SCII Terran is quite interesting. Completely missed how dragoons are almost like marauders(in the sense of level and path to get them) etc... | ||
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Wuster
1974 Posts
On August 30 2013 06:13 Cele wrote: this. You can't expect BW fans to be sad because he quit sc2. I have lost all interest in sc2 over a year ago, so what? But ex pros retiring is GOOD news for me, when they are going to stream BW. Those two games share their player pool of korean pro's, so your loss is my gain. I understand your optimism, but it doesn't really sound like he's going to be playing BW all that much either. I'm sure he's put his life on hold for his progaming career, and now that he's accepting his military service, he's got a lot of catching up to do. That's pretty much how I read 'going home to take a year off' anyways. On August 30 2013 06:28 SheaR619 wrote: Anyone who have any knowledge of BW can easily see this and dont really need an interview but I am sure someone already provided one anyways. It no brainer that terran in BW were the "turtle" race since terran had to go mech thus being very similiar to protoss but they also had the choice to go bio too in TvZ but any other match up they had to play a turtle mech style. Protoss style in BW revolve around a bunch of tier 1 (zealot and dragoon) units similar to terran going bio and playing very aggressive with them. It's not just Flash; Rainbow said that's why he played Terran in SC2, because the harassment options reminded him the most of Reaver dropping. This was during the open seasons, sorry I can't find the specific vod. There's also an old cast of Artosis having fun with talking about why MKP changed from Protoss to Terran ("Marauders are kinda like Dragoons and 'T' is still the button he presses when he wants to kill everything"). Plus, there's Artosis who went from BW Terran to SC2 Zerg (because Zerg was OP during Beta) and now happily turtles away as SC2 Protoss. | ||
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TBone-
United States2309 Posts
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RowdierBob
Australia13005 Posts
Never had much love for protosses, but Jangbi was the truest Protoss hero since Garimto took down Boxer.Hopefully he'll be playing BW again. | ||
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Brutaxilos
United States2629 Posts
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AndAgain
United States2621 Posts
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vanatir
Germany355 Posts
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Jaevlaterran
Sweden578 Posts
although Stork too please. In one month I expect the power ranking to be Killer Jangbi and Sea! | ||
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Intricate
Canada127 Posts
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GWdeathscythe
Brazil1091 Posts
On August 30 2013 08:01 RowdierBob wrote: Jangbi Never had much love for protosses, but Jangbi was the truest Protoss hero since Garimto took down Boxer.Hopefully he'll be playing BW again. since Bisu took down Ma Bonjwa. | ||
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Noz890
United States34 Posts
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Chef
10810 Posts
On August 30 2013 08:06 Brutaxilos wrote: Some of the responses in this thread really piss me off. Stop whining about Protoss design or SC2 sucking or anything. This is about Jangbi and his retirement. That's gonna be pretty hard when Jangbi actually states 'I'm not interested in SC2' as his reason. A lot of pros would avoid saying that, so it carries some weight that he said it anyway. Jangbi is the guy that in interviews during the last OSL said he wanted to keep playing BW in PCBangs even after it was gone. Whenever a BW pro retires it is always going to feel like an implicit criticism of what happened. It's pure conjecture, but it's easy to imagine Jangbi getting into the code S and thinking 'I don't even care' or 'I don't even feel excited about it' and deciding it was time to go. Jangbi could have said something like 'I want to spend some time with my family before I go to the army,' but that's not what he said at all, even though (of those I've met) Koreans are very family-minded. You've gotta keep it in context. Every BW pro that became anything and got on the A team gave up a lot to do that. 'I will practice 12 hours a day and give up other aspects of my life because this is so important.' That's why I think someone can get into Code S and think "I don't care." It's the same sacrifice for something way less meaningful to him. He loses his agency 'I decided to become a pro gamer and play BW' and has to think 'I tried to make the best of this and be positive, but it still feels wrong.' Fans have sympathy for the pros that were forced to switch and didn't like it, and they're going to express it. If it pisses you off that people feel sorry for Jangbi and how things went down, and that they've chosen to blame SC2... don't read replies in a thread like this cause it was never going to be anything else. SOSPA is the embodiment of this phenomenon. Following that thought but less directed at you: For me one of the things I liked most about Jangbi is that he was a player with a lot of heart. He always said in interviews he was going to have fun with the match, even in an important final. This retirement feels like an extension of that. Something doesn't feel right in his heart about it, and he's listening to that. He doesn't wanna play if his heart is not in it, even if he could nab some prize money. I respect that a lot. | ||
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22254 Posts
I have had zero interest in SC2 for a while now too. If you don't have that drive/motivation/ambition, then what's the point? I don't blame him in the least. GL HF to one of my favorite BW players ever~! | ||
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nbaker
United States1341 Posts
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StarStruck
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EleanorRIgby
Canada3923 Posts
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MrMotionPicture
United States4327 Posts
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Mutaller
United States1051 Posts
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Alabasern
United States4005 Posts
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Charlie.Sheen
662 Posts
On August 30 2013 09:20 EleanorRIgby wrote: im honestly surprised more old broodwar players haven't retired I think that's because very few young kids will play sc2 in Korea right now. Not many new blood, and competition level is low, so those older gamers can still hang around. | ||
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L0L
United States176 Posts
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Chimpalimp
United States1135 Posts
I have a special place in my heart for Jangbi. I had long loved watching PL and being on the edge of my seat in tense situations. But Jangbi's OSLs had me jumping like a little school girl hiked up on sugar. It was the last time BW made me feel that way and I am so glad I got to experience it. A protoss actually being the best. I wasn't around for the age of the dragons, so this was really special for me. I wish him the best as he brought great joy to my heart. I hope he hops on SSL to stomp some terrans here and there. | ||
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
He made me like BW Protoss even as a Bisu / Stork hater ( somewhat ). | ||
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konadora
Singapore66161 Posts
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Markwerf
Netherlands3728 Posts
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SheaR619
United States2399 Posts
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
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babylon
8765 Posts
On August 30 2013 10:36 Charlie.Sheen wrote: I think that's because very few young kids will play sc2 in Korea right now. Not many new blood, and competition level is low, so those older gamers can still hang around. There's plenty of new blood in SC2 atm. Hell, one just broke out in the past few weeks (Sora). In fact, I would say that there are too many players and teams in the scene right now, so we should keep an eye out for more going down. There are how many teams in KR atm? 15 (incl. Axiom and EG-TL)? Too many for the scene to sustain. If STX and WJS and maybe Prime go down, then we'll be looking at a much more sustainable 12. | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On August 30 2013 11:42 babylon wrote: There's plenty of new blood in SC2 atm. Hell, one just broke out in the past few weeks (Sora). In fact, I would say that there are too many players and teams in the scene right now, so we should keep an eye out for more going down. There are how many teams in KR atm? 15 (incl. Axiom and EG-TL)? Too many for the scene to sustain. If STX and WJS and maybe Prime go down, then we'll be looking at a much more sustainable 12. where is everyone getting that WJS is going down????? Haven't read anything about it. | ||
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On August 30 2013 11:46 BigFan wrote: where is everyone getting that WJS is going down????? Haven't read anything about it. Woongjin Holdings Co is doing really bad at the moment. Arguably worse than STX (probably around as bad) the last time I researched their situations. Also in lots of debt and one of their subsidiaries filed for bankruptcy, iirc. | ||
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babylon
8765 Posts
On August 30 2013 11:46 BigFan wrote: where is everyone getting that WJS is going down????? Haven't read anything about it. Sorry for the bad news. :x In addition to everything lichter said, WJ is also dealing with financial fraud: http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/yonhap-news-agency/130807/woongjin-group-chief-stand-trial-over-massive-financial-fr-0 | ||
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MountainDewJunkie
United States10341 Posts
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Charlie.Sheen
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On August 30 2013 11:42 babylon wrote: There's plenty of new blood in SC2 atm. Hell, one just broke out in the past few weeks (Sora). In fact, I would say that there are too many players and teams in the scene right now, so we should keep an eye out for more going down. There are how many teams in KR atm? 15 (incl. Axiom and EG-TL)? Too many for the scene to sustain. If STX and WJS and maybe Prime go down, then we'll be looking at a much more sustainable 12. Looks like you don't know how many kids were trying to get into pro teams back in bw days. Number of teams doesn't exactly reflect the talent pool from amateur kids. | ||
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aRyuujin
United States5049 Posts
i was really hoping he would stay and pick up a golden mouse :X stork it's all on you | ||
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Aeleron
Australia71 Posts
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attackbird
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I began to follow this fearless protoss player on his journey. I watched him stumble, and being the flawed human I am, began to wonder if he was really the hero I imagined. With the emergence of sc2 it appeared the end of bw was nearing. The statues of legends were being placed in the sc pantheon while the bw warriors were preparing for their final battles. Who would emerge the ultimate champion, who would write the last chapter, and would the forces of good or the forces of evil prevail? Jaedong and flash would shrug off their defeats, and it appeared that a jester, a destructive terrorist with no concept of reality, would be the last player standing. But Jangbi was on a mission. Not driven by power or greed but by the desire to show the people that good exists, and that in the end, it will triumph. Jangbi fought his way to the finals, destroying those who stood in the way of true justice. When he ran out of energy to storm, it seemed the units themselves came to life and fought for him. Jangbi became champion, and when the forces of evil rearmed for the following season, Jangbi would defeat them again in even more impressive fashion. Following the final starleagues, I was reluctant to join the warriors of bw as they moved into the sc2 realm, but I would not abandon Jangbi as he adjusted to the new world. I watched him develop and once again began to see shimmers of the almighty forces within him. I was excited to see his current form, to see if he would dominate yet again. And so I was saddened and confused by his retirement on the eve of a prestigious tournament. Jangbi's retirement makes me feel alone and lost in the land of esports. It makes me question: how am I still going to be way to into this stuff? And: Why would he leave us now? First off, it's a boss move and Jangbi's a total boss, but it's also because like obi-wan kenobi, Jangbi is not consumed by power and recognition but by his passion to do the right thing. Jangbi accomplished his mission and fulfilled his legacy. The battle between good and evil will always rage on, and Jangbi realizes its time for him to step aside. Jangbi would not leave us if he thought justice was in jeopardy, and so his departure should bring us fans who feel lost a little bit of comfort, and give us faith, that a new hope will emerge. | ||
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babylon
8765 Posts
On August 30 2013 12:05 Charlie.Sheen wrote: Looks like you don't know how many kids were trying to get into pro teams back in bw days. Number of teams doesn't exactly reflect the talent pool from amateur kids. Looks like you haven't followed a scene with a truly dried up talent pool before. Just because the number's lower than it was in BW days doesn't mean it's anywhere close to drying up. | ||
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doubleupgradeobbies!
Australia1187 Posts
On August 30 2013 12:10 Aeleron wrote: Wouldn't Jangbi be the first BW champion to compete in SSL/SRT? (if he does) Reach has competed in one I think, none of the recent champions have for sure (since they were all kespa contracted), but some of the older champs have probably competed (dunno if Garimto has competed, but he'd be a possibility, basically look for people from that kinda of era, pre oov/nada). edit: apparently Anytime has also competed in an SRT, reach was only in some kind of legends match though. | ||
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jinsanity
United States137 Posts
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dUTtrOACh
Canada2339 Posts
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IntoTheEmo
Singapore1169 Posts
To me, what it really means: more possible talent incoming to SOSPA! Sorry to those that enjoyed his SC2 games, but I'm sure it's fairly exciting news to some of us. I hear Jaehoon is out as well? Prospect of two of my favourite Protosses possibly playing BW again: sweet! | ||
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konadora
Singapore66161 Posts
On August 30 2013 14:01 IntoTheEmo wrote: Title says: Jangbi retires To me, what it really means: more possible talent incoming to SOSPA! Sorry to those that enjoyed his SC2 games, but I'm sure it's fairly exciting news to some of us. I hear Jaehoon is out as well? Prospect of two of my favourite Protosses possibly playing BW again: sweet! more jaehoon recalls :3 | ||
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larse
1611 Posts
On August 30 2013 11:42 babylon wrote: There's plenty of new blood in SC2 atm. Hell, one just broke out in the past few weeks (Sora). In fact, I would say that there are too many players and teams in the scene right now, so we should keep an eye out for more going down. There are how many teams in KR atm? 15 (incl. Axiom and EG-TL)? Too many for the scene to sustain. If STX and WJS and maybe Prime go down, then we'll be looking at a much more sustainable 12. Yes, there are many new people in SC2. Of course. But no one can match the popularity and influences of the old BW big names. | ||
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Shinokuki
United States859 Posts
On August 30 2013 00:45 DiMano wrote: Oh god it is not SC2 what ruined it is the shift of popularity to LoL and even WoT and lack of SC2 leagues in korea stop being stupid BW fans I like BW and SC2 and I will never say bad things about these games. just admit that exeprienced bw players do not really enjoy sc2. goddamn it its not FUN goddamn it | ||
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ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
On August 30 2013 11:59 MountainDewJunkie wrote: The greatest BW warrior, from silver to gold, from King Kong to 2-time champ, no one electrified crowds like he did in the twilight of professional Brood War. I salute you, Almighty. You took the darkest of days and lit them blindingly bright with your radiant energy. You are a poet. | ||
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syst
United States247 Posts
I hope you play some Brood War every now and then and have the best time. | ||
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larse
1611 Posts
Rumor from the famous Chinese translator wooyeon. She posts some tweets and posts in social medias that some Korean players, coaches, and casters discuss the following stuff. First, they said SPL is delaying to next year, so that's why some players retire. But some speculate that's because of the combination of LoL SPL and thus it is delayed. A few even say SPL is canceled. Former CJ coach (the one before coach Park) expresses his disappointment in SC2. Second, Samsung Khan is recruiting a LoL team. Stork is now casting the college league (don't know if it's SC2). Third, Jaehoon said in his stream, one Zerg player will retire and Jangbi won't go to Afreeca. http://www.playsc.com/forum/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=378484&extra=page=1 | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19235 Posts
On August 30 2013 15:55 larse wrote: Rumor: SPL is delayed to next year, a Zerg player is retiring, Jangbi won't go to Afreeca, Stork is doing casting, and Samsung is recruiting a LoL team Rumor from the famous Chinese translator wooyeon. She posts some tweets and posts in social medias that some Korean players, coaches, and casters discuss the following stuff. First, they said SPL is delaying to next year, so that's why some players retire. But some speculate that's because of the combination of LoL SPL and thus it is delayed. A few even say SPL is canceled. Former CJ coach (the one before coach Park) expresses his disappointment in SC2. Second, Samsung Khan is recruiting a LoL team. Stork is now casting the college league (don't know if it's SC2). Third, Jaehoon said in his stream, one Zerg player will retire and Jangbi won't go to Afreeca. http://www.playsc.com/forum/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=378484&extra=page=1 The only zerg I could see retiring are hydra, effort, and zero. I would really love to see zero BW again. | ||
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TelecoM
United States10673 Posts
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DinoToss
Poland507 Posts
On August 30 2013 08:06 Brutaxilos wrote: Some of the responses in this thread really piss me off. Stop whining about Protoss design or SC2 sucking or anything. This is about Jangbi and his retirement. BW for JangBi was a dream, a dream he had to end, prematurely. Some people say, how could he make such decision, while being in Code-S, and performing well in Proleague. Have you ever been in a situation where you were thrown into environment you would never choose on your own? How fun is to work, in a place you don't like to work for years, but you HAVE TO (to make a living). On one day you think it will be ok, if i do this and this i can still feel satisfaction, but you wake up on another day and you say to yourself "who am I kidding, i don't want to do this", but then you realize "I have to make a living". This inside turmoil happens, it maybe happened in JangBi's head, and i dread to think about possibility of several others BW players who would be enduring it today, while their play is scrutinized by the public in a way of "wow this guy really is not that good as he used to be in BW". How can you be a champion, when your second thought is always "I hate it". Now what it has to do with with "SC2 suck"? Well some people say it was "Kespa powerplay, Blizzard powerplay or SC2 sucks". All of this can be seen in a different perspective but you could make connections if you wanted. While there are people who take advantage of situation to simply post SC2 suck post, that does not mean there is nothing wrong. SC2 itself is a game, SC2 as a premiere esport is the embodiment of a new workplace, some people would never choose. Every new workplace may create dreams (2010 release switch of B-teamers) and may create nightmares. Years ago people believed that BW->SC2 transition will be effortless("First is starcraft, second is starcraft what difference you speak of?"), but i think we are way past that, the difference between first and second should be big enough to prevent what happened, but the people who hold money didn't care about future careers and dreams of "handful" of people. That did not make a difference to them. | ||
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Canada8550 Posts
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On August 30 2013 16:00 BisuDagger wrote: The only zerg I could see retiring are hydra, effort, and zero. I would really love to see zero BW again. Maybe it's because my english is not really good but is it sure it's a Khan zerg ? I wouldn't want KT zergs to retire Even if they are not at the top it would make me sad | ||
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Witten
United States2094 Posts
This is hopefully a blessing in disguise. | ||
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nighcol
298 Posts
On August 30 2013 16:30 DinoToss wrote: BW for JangBi was a dream, a dream he had to end, prematurely. Some people say, how could he make such decision, while being in Code-S, and performing well in Proleague. Have you ever been in a situation where you were thrown into environment you would never choose on your own? How fun is to work, in a place you don't like to work for years, but you HAVE TO (to make a living). I find it a bit odd how some people choose to interpret the situation like JangBi and others have been unwillingly forced into something. They always had the option to just straight out refuse even trying to transition and some indeed did do that. Kespa simply did not want to run a BW league anymore. Maybe it wasn't the smartest thing to do, maybe it was, but if anything these players got an *opportunity* to transition to a different game they had no previous experience in (even though experience in BW was likely to help) when this happened. It's a *nicer* thing to do than just ending BW and starting, say, a LoL league with completely different players. | ||
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
On August 30 2013 17:51 nighcol wrote: I find it a bit odd how some people choose to interpret the situation like JangBi and others have been unwillingly forced into something. They always had the option to just straight out refuse even trying to transition and some indeed did do that. Kespa simply did not want to run a BW league anymore. Maybe it wasn't the smartest thing to do, maybe it was, but if anything these players got an *opportunity* to transition to a different game they had no previous experience in (even though experience in BW was likely to help) when this happened. It's a *nicer* thing to do than just ending BW and starting, say, a LoL league with completely different players. I find it a bit odd how some people choose to interpret the situation like Blizzard didn't pressure Kespa at all to transition to SC2 and that they "simply did not want to run a BW league anymore". | ||
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SheaR619
United States2399 Posts
On August 30 2013 17:14 Witten wrote: I kind of just wish all the old BW pros would retire and then Sospa can become something huge that hopefully takes off and brings BW back into the limelight. Mostly I just want to see Soulkey back in Brood War. He made me fall in love with the game. Jangbi (and to a lesser extend, Best) were the Protoss versions of Soulkey to me. Their play was just so unique and inspiring that I couldn't tear my eyes away. This is hopefully a blessing in disguise. Even if every BW player quit and return to BW, can BW be rebooted to how it once was? I sadly cant see that happening because BW player were forced to switch for a reason. Our best choice is to nourish and drive SC2 in the right direction by moving forward. A direction where everyone, both BW and sc2 player, will both be satisfied. But honestly....this feels even more improbable then rebooting BW. I honestly think that most veteran BW player will retired simply because of their desire to play BW. Those that switch and continue to have great/moderate successful will probably hang on longer and a few such as Rain will probably stay since they are doing so well. | ||
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DinoToss
Poland507 Posts
On August 30 2013 17:51 nighcol wrote: I find it a bit odd how some people choose to interpret the situation like JangBi and others have been unwillingly forced into something. They always had the option to just straight out refuse even trying to transition and some indeed did do that. Kespa simply did not want to run a BW league anymore. Maybe it wasn't the smartest thing to do, maybe it was, but if anything these players got an *opportunity* to transition to a different game they had no previous experience in (even though experience in BW was likely to help) when this happened. It's a *nicer* thing to do than just ending BW and starting, say, a LoL league with completely different players. Hey i don't hold recorded conversations between CEO's or any evidence, but saying there was no business for each side in BW->SC2 switch is laughable, given the history of dispute between Kespa and Blizzard, OGN and GOMtv. They all fought for something for few years right? You can clearly see what monster could be created from post-BW Korean soil (LoL). In business you don't simply do something on a whim. And JangBi and others simply refusing to transition would make them be unemployed. That's why my analogy to workplace. Just please spare me, going into details why money is neccesary to living. | ||
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TaShadan
Germany1970 Posts
On August 30 2013 17:14 Witten wrote: I kind of just wish all the old BW pros would retire and then Sospa can become something huge that hopefully takes off and brings BW back into the limelight. Mostly I just want to see Soulkey back in Brood War. He made me fall in love with the game. Jangbi (and to a lesser extend, Best) were the Protoss versions of Soulkey to me. Their play was just so unique and inspiring that I couldn't tear my eyes away. This is hopefully a blessing in disguise. I wish that too, but i doubt it will happen. They cant make a living with the money they get from Sospa. | ||
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nktiep
Vietnam40 Posts
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Sinedd
Poland7052 Posts
On August 30 2013 16:00 BisuDagger wrote: The only zerg I could see retiring are hydra, effort, and zero. I would really love to see zero BW again. woah.. shit.. these are some.. interesting rumors.. But I hope that at least not all of them are true.. (i.e. that Jangbi is not going to play in SOSPA events :<) | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
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Seishou
Hong Kong16 Posts
please It's too late ;_; Although I want to blame LoL for SC(2)'s downfall and BW pros leaving, it would be silly to do so. (I play it too along with doto 2) Still. ;_; | ||
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Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
On August 30 2013 21:14 Xiphos wrote: Apparently on that thread, people have been also speculating about SKT and KT (or the twin telecom heroes) showing concern about the future of SC2 and might pull out. I'm really curious how Blizz would react to that. They don't really care about eSports, so I guess they'd probably just shrug, but I'd like to thing it'd make them give protoss the complete redesign everyone demands for LotV. Even if they did (fat chance), it's too late. Hell, even if LotV was just BW HD, the brand is probably already spoiled. | ||
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forumtext
575 Posts
On August 30 2013 16:00 BisuDagger wrote: The only zerg I could see retiring are hydra, effort, and zero. I would really love to see zero BW again. I think it's Zero since he admitted that SK is the better Zerg. | ||
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Chef
10810 Posts
On August 30 2013 21:26 Ribbon wrote: I'm really curious how Blizz would react to that. They don't really care about eSports, so I guess they'd probably just shrug, but I'd like to thing it'd make them give protoss the complete redesign everyone demands for LotV. Even if they did (fat chance), it's too late. Hell, even if LotV was just BW HD, the brand is probably already spoiled. I don't understand what you mean by Blizzard doesn't care about eSports. Every game Blizzard has made in the last 10 years has had a business model that combats the fear of pirating cutting into their profits. SC2 - esports (they make a lot of money from broadcasting deals) DIII - the auction house... They take rake on all items sales. WoW - subscription Hearthstone - booster pack sales I didn't respond to you in the other thread when you made an ignorant comment, but this is essentially the same reply it needed. One could say Blizzard doesn't care about eSports as in they don't care about preserving them or making them immortal, but while Blizzard has an expansion left to sell, they're not gonna be happy if the two biggest teams ever to grace the game say 'this isn't worth our time.' They'll be worried about other KeSPA teams following suit. | ||
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Australia4353 Posts
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On August 30 2013 22:01 Chef wrote: I don't understand what you mean by Blizzard doesn't care about eSports. Every game Blizzard has made in the last 10 years has had a business model that combats the fear of pirating cutting into their profits. SC2 - esports (they make a lot of money from broadcasting deals) DIII - the auction house... They take rake on all items sales. WoW - subscription Hearthstone - booster pack sales I didn't respond to you in the other thread when you made an ignorant comment, but this is essentially the same reply it needed. One could say Blizzard doesn't care about eSports as in they don't care about preserving them or making them immortal, but while Blizzard has an expansion left to sell, they're not gonna be happy if the two biggest teams ever to grace the game say 'this isn't worth our time.' They'll be worried about other KeSPA teams following suit. True. I don't get why the hate on blizzard... If they didn't care about eSports they would not have done wcs. Hell, the might have overpriced licence so no one can buy them. They care. See the Sonic Case. But they have a company to run. They are doing well, their games sell. I'm a Brood War fanboy and Blizzard didn't care to broadcast bw... I watched crappy vids woking up in the night to watch my favorite game. Now, if i want to watch an SC2 match. I just go to blizzard website. It is there. Sure Chef is right. But that does not make them NOT care | ||
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
On August 30 2013 21:26 Ribbon wrote: I'm really curious how Blizz would react to that. They don't really care about eSports, so I guess they'd probably just shrug, but I'd like to thing it'd make them give protoss the complete redesign everyone demands for LotV. Even if they did (fat chance), it's too late. Hell, even if LotV was just BW HD, the brand is probably already spoiled. Blizzard do care about eSports, they're just a sad combination of caring too much about profit, not being able to swallow their pride and admit they made mistakes and a bit of incompetence. If you want to see a company that truly doesn't give two fucks, look at id Software. They only have tournaments at QuakeCon because it would be weird not to considering the event's legacy and history, but other than that they do an absolutely piss poor job of actually running them. :/ | ||
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nadafanboy42
Netherlands209 Posts
On August 30 2013 22:21 FFW_Rude wrote: True. I don't get why the hate on blizzard... If they didn't care about eSports they would not have done wcs. Hell, the might have overpriced licence so no one can buy them. They care. See the Sonic Case. But they have a company to run. They are doing well, their games sell. I'm a Brood War fanboy and Blizzard didn't care to broadcast bw... I watched crappy vids woking up in the night to watch my favorite game. Now, if i want to watch an SC2 match. I just go to blizzard website. It is there. Sure Chef is right. But that does not make them NOT care People just want to hate, it is a lot easier to say "Blizzard doesn't care about Said complex and nuanced reality being that aside from a handful of personalities and fans, nobody cares about "eSports", everyone is first and foremost looking out for number one. KeSPA, OGN, MBC, GOMtv, Blizzard, Valve, Riot, etc. etc. They are all looking first at their own bottomline, as a company and as a person, and second at how eSports can help it. And in addition to that, none of them are anywhere close to perfect, just at various levels of incompetence. And said incompetence isn't equally distributed either, people are always competent at some things and incompetent at others and companies are no different. You could make a laundry lists of faults and virtues for all the people and entities involved in eSports. I rarely visit the Broodwar forums nowadays. I find it sad how people are apparently still having the same arguments which were obviously stupid and delusional two years ago, to the point where a retirement thread can't even be about honouring the player anymore. | ||
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KasPra
Estonia983 Posts
On August 30 2013 11:59 MountainDewJunkie wrote: The greatest BW warrior, from silver to gold, from King Kong to 2-time champ, no one electrified crowds like he did in the twilight of professional Brood War. I salute you, Almighty. You took the darkest of days and lit them blindingly bright with your radiant energy. Yes! 10/10 Jangbang always #1 in my heart. Glad he left SC2, hopefully he comes back to BW. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
As for competitive gaming on the other hand? Sorry, but a lot of them don't know jack. To them it's foreign territory and lookie who Blizzard had in place to head-up the WCS to begin with. The players and community members had many, many chances to communicate with Blizzard with all the summits prior to the release of the game. What you do with that information and decode it is one thing (sorry Sen's English isn't the greatest, but they completely missed his points and we ended up playing broken telephone-- you didn't really get a chance to hear what he really had to say). Anyway, a lot of these guys who have been playing your games for 10+ years, attending the LANs and witnessing everything firsthand. They know their shit and I'd use their experience to your advantage. Not like Blizzard didn't hire guys who were pretty involved in the BW scene in the heyday. They had guys like Pillars (no longer works for Blizz) and Xileas (RTS guy who ended up working on WoW and go figure now he's with Riot), etc. Well, at least Blizzard now has David Ting and Co. but it would be nice if they got more people who are actually involved in the scene involved. You might just learn a thing or two about running a League. | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On August 30 2013 23:07 nadafanboy42 wrote: People just want to hate, it is a lot easier to say "Blizzard doesn't care about Said complex and nuanced reality being that aside from a handful of personalities and fans, nobody cares about "eSports", everyone is first and foremost looking out for number one. KeSPA, OGN, MBC, GOMtv, Blizzard, Valve, Riot, etc. etc. They are all looking first at their own bottomline, as a company and as a person, and second at how eSports can help it. And in addition to that, none of them are anywhere close to perfect, just at various levels of incompetence. And said incompetence isn't equally distributed either, people are always competent at some things and incompetent at others and companies are no different. You could make a laundry lists of faults and virtues for all the people and entities involved in eSports. I rarely visit the Broodwar forums nowadays. I find it sad how people are apparently still having the same arguments which were obviously stupid and delusional two years ago, to the point where a retirement thread can't even be about honouring the player anymore. In that circumstance which we currently reside at, one must observer the situation and make decision to believe which one of the "devils" that is the least foreboding and ominous to follow by examining the method they go to attain their goals. In term of constructing the esport scene, the company, organization, association or w/e name you want to want to call them, the one that contributed the most and instilled the most blood and sweats are indeed MBCGame + OGN. They raised StarCraft out of thin air with their production. And ultimately all of their efforts are laid out wasted into the abyss with Blizzard's lawsuit claims and a coercion for game switching. So the outlook is rather conspicuous on which one the general public would look for as the hero or the villain here. The point is that Blizzard in their deepest interior can't be bothered with electronic sports. At face value, they promotes the "scene" as a white knight in camouflaging their ulterior motives of monetary gains as they would have demonstrated much more deference toward the groups that produced a sustainable system for progaming. | ||
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VasHeR
166 Posts
Blizzard do care about eSports, they're just a sad combination of caring too much about profit, not being able to swallow their pride and admit they made mistakes and a bit of incompetence. approved On a more relevant note, I never played BW or knew his name from it, but Jangbi had become my favorite protoss to watch after only a few amazing games. I'm pretty sure there was a Jangbi vs Flash game on whirlwind that was masterful. I named pokemon after him. Thanks for the ggs | ||
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GulpyBlinkeyes
United States1449 Posts
I started wearing the Khan tag because of my love for Stork/JangBi/FBH/January, and now there's only half of that core left | ||
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Megaliskuu
United States5123 Posts
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Zorkmid
4410 Posts
On August 30 2013 23:12 KasPra wrote: Yes! 10/10 Jangbang always #1 in my heart. Glad he left SC2, hopefully he comes back to BW. Is there still a bw scene? Where can I follow it? | ||
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jormal1ty
Finland72 Posts
On August 31 2013 01:10 Zorkmid wrote: Is there still a bw scene? Where can I follow it? Watch snipealot's channel on twitch | ||
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danbel1005
United States1319 Posts
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L3gendary
Canada1470 Posts
On August 31 2013 01:10 Zorkmid wrote: Is there still a bw scene? Where can I follow it? Just check out the bw section every once in a while http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=427358 | ||
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2Pacalypse-
Croatia9502 Posts
On August 31 2013 01:10 Zorkmid wrote: Is there still a bw scene? Where can I follow it? You can start by turning on BW news on your front page http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=427358 | ||
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Sinedd
Poland7052 Posts
On August 31 2013 01:10 Zorkmid wrote: Is there still a bw scene? Where can I follow it? oh wow.. -.- | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
now now, be nice lol. On August 31 2013 01:10 Zorkmid wrote: Is there still a bw scene? Where can I follow it? It's been since before OSL finished lol. Sonic's league. RO8 Day 1 was just today between Killer/Ssak and Sea/Hiya. Check the upcoming events on the side bar. RO8 Day 2 coming up in 19h 10min from now. Snipealot3's twitch has all the vods for the games as well. One of the streams, snipealot2 is from FPV of one of the players. Snipealot3 has Sonic casting, good games today | ||
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Zorkmid
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On August 31 2013 02:10 Zorkmid wrote: I used to follow it big time, but I understood that KesPA and all of the best pro have migrated so I kinda quit following. I followed it hardcore from about 2004-2010. so you missed the last 2 years of BW then lol. Sonic's SRT/SSL etc... has been going on for >2 years I believe. | ||
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Flonomenalz
Nigeria3519 Posts
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larse
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Lucumo
6850 Posts
On August 30 2013 22:01 Chef wrote: I don't understand what you mean by Blizzard doesn't care about eSports. Yep, especially because they hosted the GOM Classic Seasons to get a foothold in Korea for when SC2 gets released. | ||
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CCa1ss1e
Canada3231 Posts
well.. best of luck, will never forget the last BW OSL finals and that fistpump even before fantasy gg'd. | ||
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Crackpot
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Chef
10810 Posts
Criticizing ID Software in favour of Blizzard is kinda insane. John Carmack is very altruistic and will do things that are just cool even if they don't necessarily increase profits (kinda like Blizzard used to do sometimes). This really does start to go off topic though. To complain that ID software doesn't support eSports doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Blizzard didn't support BW, it just made itself, and that's exactly the way it should be. It's my belief that except by indirect means like selling more copies of their games, it is bad for game developers to get rich off eSports. It creates all kinds of conflicts of interest (in that their goal is to sell stuff and make money, not necessarily to make eSports stable and legitimate, and ultimately those things end up being incompatible). For an eSport to truly ascend to the level of real sports it would really need to be freeware. Brood War was the closest we ever got before Blizzard started caring about [making money off] eSports lol. So yeah, don't misunderstand me hahahaha. I can't forgive them for the lawsuits they filed against the people who made eSports a reality at all rather than just bunch of random unrefined stupid tournaments no one but the #1 player could ever live off (if at all). They are grade A jerks, even if the law is on their side (more because no law has been made yet to protect significant cultures that arise out of such means). I don't know if Jangbi cares about any of that, though. Maybe indirectly, in the way the atmosphere is way less genuine in an artificial eSports scene. | ||
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
On August 31 2013 02:13 larse wrote: Stork says he won't retire. With "he" he means himself and not JangBi right ? i am really sad that JangBi retired . He was the only protoss i cheered for and expected something from in SC2 . Well my only hope is for Free or Stork to do well , at this point i would even cheer for Bisu . Since there aren't many "old school" players left . It's so sad , back in the BW days i would rather be caught dead then cheer for a protoss player , now i just want to see the old greats still having some success . BTW does anybody have any idea of what Much and Iris are doing post military ? I know that Iris was/is coach in Azubu , but i have no idea what Much is doing ? We should have a thread for stalking retired progamers :D . | ||
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United States10774 Posts
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
On August 31 2013 03:53 Chef wrote: Criticizing ID Software in favour of Blizzard is kinda insane. John Carmack is very altruistic and will do things that are just cool even if they don't necessarily increase profits (kinda like Blizzard used to do sometimes). I'm not talking about John Carmack, the guy's fucking brilliant. But John Carmack isn't id. This isn't the 90s and early 00s anymore. id has forsaken its biggest brands in favor of just making engines and mediocre games that showcase those engines in attempts to make them sell better. That in itself is fine, things change, companies can't stay the same forever. But what really stings is that they keep running Quake tournaments at QuakeCon while giving them the least attention and putting in as little effort as possible, to the point where the events become an absolute joke, far worse than any premier tournament we've seen in SC2 and even worse than what WCG has become recently. And that's just pathetic. Pretending to still give a shit about one of the two franchises that made you what you are now, even when everything you're doing points to the contrary. If they just left it alone I would've been happier, instead of shitting on the legacy of the best competitive FPS game of all time more and more with every year. That is inexcusable. And I guarantee to you that this opinion is unanimous among what's left of the Quake community. As an outsider, it might seem odd to you, but trust me it's a pathetic sight to behold. It has nothing to do with Carmack. Things might have gone better if he were still at the helm, but at the same time the guy's passion has always been tech and programming so I can't fault him at all for choosing to focus on that. | ||
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Elroi
Sweden5595 Posts
On August 31 2013 04:07 MasterOfPuppets wrote: I'm not talking about John Carmack, the guy's fucking brilliant. But John Carmack isn't id. This isn't the 90s and early 00s anymore. id has forsaken its biggest brands in favor of just making engines and mediocre games that showcase those engines in attempts to make them sell better. That in itself is fine, things change, companies can't stay the same forever. But what really stings is that they keep running Quake tournaments at QuakeCon while giving them the least attention and putting in as little effort as possible, to the point where the events become an absolute joke, far worse than any premier tournament we've seen in SC2 and even worse than what WCG has become recently. And that's just pathetic. Pretending to still give a shit about one of the two franchises that made you what you are now, even when everything you're doing points to the contrary. If they just left it alone I would've been happier, instead of shitting on the legacy of the best competitive FPS game of all time more and more with every year. That is inexcusable. And I guarantee to you that this opinion is unanimous among what's left of the Quake community. As an outsider, it might seem odd to you, but trust me it's a pathetic sight to behold. It has nothing to do with Carmack. Things might have gone better if he were still at the helm, but at the same time the guy's passion has always been tech and programming so I can't fault him at all for choosing to focus on that. At least they aren't actively hurting the scene to push a new product down our throats... | ||
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
On August 31 2013 04:19 Elroi wrote: At least they aren't actively hurting the scene to push a new product down our throats... I'm pretty sure if it was big enough they would, but eh... Anyway, the point is that Blizzard cares about eSports a shit ton more than id, even if their eSport of choice is SC2. And even then, looking at the big picture, killing a game in favor of another is still better than humiliating and neglecting another every year for no reason and no gain whatsoever. | ||
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Chef
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
On August 31 2013 04:37 Chef wrote: You're right that I don't know anything about the Quake scene, but unless id is telling them they're not allowed to run their own tournaments or build their own scene or is telling them they have to pay huge fees to run them, or that the existing scene had to get out of town because the new quake is in town... You don't get it... people said that Blizzard doesn't care for eSports... that's simply not true. They don't care about Brood War, that's a fucking shame, I agree, but they do care about StarCraft 2, no matter how incompetent their decisions may seem at times. On August 31 2013 04:37 Chef wrote: It is the scene's own fault that they aren't bigger. Not really, every skill-intensive game that's hard to get into and infinitely harder to master has suffered as gaming became more casual and more geared towards catering to a wider audience instead of actually providing interesting gameplay and deep mechanics. And even then I'd say Quake and Brood War are probably among the games least affected by that trend shift. On August 31 2013 04:37 Chef wrote: In Brood War's glory days no one ever thought Blizzcon's invitational with a few pros and top foreigners was shitting on e-sports. It was never meant to be anything more than fanservice and an aside to the rest of their convention. I don't know anything about Quakecon, but I'm getting the vibe it is just a nod, not literally supposed to be the professional scene. It's convention after all. Let me paint a picture for all the BW fans that think they have it so bad. This is gonna be a bit longer but I trust you have the patience to read it, if you really want a wider perspective on things. The Quake series was id's magnum opus, their crown jewel. It revolutionized first-person shooter both single-player and especially multi-player, it paved the way for competitive gaming and eSports in the Western world and even the id Tech engines it used were considered so great that other engines for some of the most popular games would be based on them (Valve's GoldSrc and Source and even the Call of Duty engine, among so many others). QuakeCon provided the biggest tournament in the West for a while, and even when it wasn't anymore, it still continued to be very reputable, well-organized and well-run. Of course the convention entailed much more than that, but there was still ample respect given to the competitors and their game, and things were looking great. But then id started gradually shifting their focus away from that, even though it was enjoying great success. Imagine you have a purebred, prize-winning dog, the kind that you teach tricks and take to shows were it leaves everyone in awe and garners nothing but admiration. But gradually you lose interest in your dog, and focus on other things. The dog still wants to be a champion, still wants to do tricks, still wants to go to shows and make people happy. But you don't take him there anymore. Eventually you start forgetting to take care of him, to wash him, to take him on walks and even to feed him. You don't care about dogs at all anymore. But you still keep him, because people remember that you once had an award-winning dog. He manages to survive one way or another, although he's now sick and fatigued and nothing but an empty, lifeless shell. You don't set it free nor do you put it to sleep. And every once in a while its heart starts pumping more vigorously as it remembers what once was and what could be, and it gets up and starts jumping excitedly. But you kick that damn mutt right in its fucking ribcage until it runs away back into the dark and decrepit basement. That's Quake. You have one of the most revolutionary FPS game series with an almost unparalleled depth and theoretical skill ceiling, both in its genre and gaming overall, now reduced to a measly community that, to boot, is split across 5 different games. All of which excellent, with subtle differences that may not seem relevant in theory but are completely game changing at the higher levels of skill. Still, that's 5 different games all of which hard to get into and infinitely harder to master. And QuakeCon, the tournament that reinforced the legacy of Quake, the legacy of id Software and the legacy of competitive gaming in the West, it used to be its StarLeague, its International, its LCS, its WCS. It wasn't just a convention with a fan-service tournament tacked onto it, it was considered the biggest and most prestigious tournament in Quake, that the top European players would attend to face off against the American ones. And now QuakeCon is a farce. It's a convention that for some reason continues to hold a Quake tournament, even though they are not putting the least bit of effort or interest into running; to the point where it's only announced like 2 weeks before fact; to the point where there's massive delays and down-time; to the point where it feels like an unwanted, tacked-on freak sideshow that's merely "tolerated" instead of supported or organized by the id staff; to the point where meaningless filler like raffles and various other random things are given much more attention than the pro players who bust their ass off every day to train and hone their skills, not for the money (which has shrunk considerably over the years) but because they love it. And this is how they're repaid, by the people whose legacy they've helped build essentially pissing all over them and their passion. It's a disgrace, it truly is... At least Blizzard still has ONE game they still care about, and as long as they don't run it into the ground with the same nonchalance as id did to Quake, they'll still be better. | ||
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Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
I do maintain that Blizz didn't care much about eSports beyond lip service during most of WoL, as evidenced by the balancing around gold league, ignoring the eSport's scenes concerns re: maps etc etc etc. They're clearly made a bit of a come around since late WoL and into HotS. But when I said they don't (currently) care about eSports, I mean in the sense that they don't seem to be competing very hard to be the One True eSport vs LoL, as they see eSports as community building and advertising for LotV and whenever they decide to make SC3. I think Blizz's big greedy plan for SC2 originally was the map marketplace (remember that, when they were going to let people sell customs and take a cut?), but that obviously fell apart. So, provided everyone in BW played nice and gave Blizz a fee, there's not much financial difference between pro BW and pro SC2 (remember, KeSPA wasn't paying Blizz, but Sonic is). So I don't think they'd be inclined to kill a cash inflow out of spite. | ||
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Chef
10810 Posts
People don't wanna see your dog anymore. There's no comparison here. The responsibility is on the fans to create the tournament they want. If there's no fans who wanna do that then this is what you get. Where is the injustice? You reap what you sow. In Brood War's case, Blizzard took all the fruits of the Korean scene's labours and the salted the lands so that nothing but their new salty game could grow. Your complaint about how the tournament was run sloppily is valid, and I'm sure that's disappointing for people who still love Quake and feel that's the only thing a year they have to look forward to... but shit at least no one is telling them not to try and do better. Top foreigners complained constantly about how WCG was run, and it was the biggest tournament for them, and eventually WCG cut out Brood War completely when they thought the foreign scene was competitive enough anymore... but I never really shat on WCG because of that. People always had the option of doing something better, and sometimes that happened (TSL could be an example). It's way better for a game to peter out because the fans left / lost the motivation to keep it alive, than because the developer wants to make a statement about the IP rights it's about to start throwing its weight around with (after over 10 years of a laissez-faire policy), messing with tonnes of people's jobs. I read your whole post and I really don't agree. You can blame id for having a badly run tournament, but you can't blame them for Quake not being an eSport... | ||
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Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
On August 31 2013 05:30 Chef wrote: Quake has always been a hard game to spectate. It's the only FPS I've been able to follow at all, since it was 1v1. FPSes generally, especially team-based, are a mess to spectate. In Brood War's case, Blizzard took all the fruits of the Korean scene's labours and the salted the lands so that nothing but their new salty game could grow. ???? | ||
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
On August 31 2013 05:30 Chef wrote: Quake has always been a hard game to spectate. No? On August 31 2013 05:30 Chef wrote: People don't wanna see your dog anymore. There's no comparison here. The responsibility is on the fans to create the tournament they want. No? The community still handles Quake far better than id, just like the BW community handles BW far better than Blizzard did. On August 31 2013 05:30 Chef wrote: In Brood War's case, Blizzard took all the fruits of the Korean scene's labours and the salted the lands so that nothing but their new salty game could grow. I thought there's still an amateur league going on with plenty of former Kespa pros? On August 31 2013 05:30 Chef wrote: I read your whole post and I really don't agree. You can blame id for having a badly run tournament, but you can't blame them for Quake not being an eSport... It has been an eSport for the longest time. And then suddenly id decided they don't give a shit about it anymore. Which coupled with the massive popularity of games like CoD 4 and onward, lead to a massive decline. Just like Blizzard's legal battles with Kespa and the advent of LoL lead to a massive decline in BW. The difference is that Blizzard tried to kill Brood War to make way for StarCraft 2. id killed Quake to make way for... absolutely nothing. Nothing at all. No new game, no new service, nothing. I feel like you took my post and strawman'd it to oblivion. I'm not trying to argue about which eSport should have been more successful or that it's exclusively id's fault that Quake isn't as big as it was in its prime. All I'm saying is that you can't accuse Blizzard of not caring about eSports when they're still actively supporting at least one competitive scene. Even if it's not the one we like, even if it's not the better one. Compared to id who are supporting none at all and have proven time and time again that they do not give a single flying fuck anymore. We're all salty. But you're jumping to the wrong conclusions and fail to look at things from a wider perspective. I'm done now. | ||
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Chef
10810 Posts
You're saying id killed Quake, but all they did was stop making stuff for it. That's about as indirect as it gets. Blizzard played an active role. I thought there's still an amateur league going on with plenty of former Kespa pros? That's not eSports, that's not a stable scene with players who have salaries to live off. That's a bunch of people playing tournaments for a game with a prize pool, like almost all competitive games have. There is no structure or support and there's nothing Sonic can do about that unless Samsung and KT and SKT all suddenly decide they want to sponsor BW teams again, which isn't happening anytime soon. You're arguing about something that was never a professional institution. Again, it's not the same at all, you're the one trying to compare two things that have nothing in common. I don't know how you can defend that Quake is a good spectator's game. If it were we wouldn't be talking about this cause it'd be really popular. A random person can watch 20 minutes and feel like they've gotten all they can get out of it. The variety in it is too subtle for a casual player, even those who played a bit of Quake back in the day. You can't simultaneously say the game is dying because there's too many casual players not smart enough for it and that it's an easy game to get into and watch at the same time. If it's all relative, then Quake having good spectator value means BW had god-like spectator value ;p I think even BW was just 'pretty good.' BW could make people who only played casually watch it and want to play more or at least see more. Quake I think you already had to be a decent player to get anything out of it. Did you ever meet anyone who watched hours and hours of Quake but was the equivalent of D- in BW? | ||
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Ryo
8787 Posts
The greatest protoss in OSL history. My favourite protoss Jangbi! Best of luck in all your future endeavours. I hope to see you play BW sometime in the future... | ||
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Yorbon
Netherlands4272 Posts
But for some part i think you're not really arguing against eachother, but against some frustration, coming up from misread posts. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
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nimdil
Poland3748 Posts
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Chef
10810 Posts
On August 31 2013 06:25 Yorbon wrote: But for some part i think you're not really arguing against eachother, but against some frustration, coming up from misread posts. Probably true. I don't wanna shit on people who like Quake, or say that it isn't fun to watch for people who like it, or that maybe in some other circumstances it could have been as popular as that Korean FPS that got TV time, but I don't think id software deserves to get shit on for not running high quality Quake tournies anymore... I can hardly think of any game devs nicer than id software. | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On August 31 2013 06:34 Chef wrote: Probably true. I don't wanna shit on people who like Quake, or say that it isn't fun to watch for people who like it, or that maybe in some other circumstances it could have been as popular as that Korean FPS that got TV time, but I don't think id software deserves to get shit on for not running high quality Quake tournies anymore... I can hardly think of any game devs nicer than id software. aren't you being a bit bias there? From reading both your posts, it seems that you both agree that Blizzard cares about esports but in his case, he believes it's a better thing than id since at least they are trying to promote SCII even if it has COI and its for money but you believe that it's better that Blizzard doesn't intervene for those same reasons. I have to agree with you on this one. Blizzard's involvement in SCII was much better prior to WCS induction. Much preferred having GSL on its own with other tourneys and keeping it that way(with maybe an extra tournament in AM with good prize money). I guess it's like BW. No blizzard involvement, have OSL/MSL and PL, just the right amount and keep interest in the players/scene | ||
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PIJAMA
Brazil137 Posts
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Taipoka
Brazil1224 Posts
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nighcol
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On August 31 2013 06:08 Chef wrote: I don't know how you can defend that Quake is a good spectator's game. If it were we wouldn't be talking about this cause it'd be really popular. A random person can watch 20 minutes and feel like they've gotten all they can get out of it. The variety in it is too subtle for a casual player, even those who played a bit of Quake back in the day. You can't simultaneously say the game is dying because there's too many casual players not smart enough for it and that it's an easy game to get into and watch at the same time. If it's all relative, then Quake having good spectator value means BW had god-like spectator value ;p I think even BW was just 'pretty good.' BW could make people who only played casually watch it and want to play more or at least see more. Quake I think you already had to be a decent player to get anything out of it. Did you ever meet anyone who watched hours and hours of Quake but was the equivalent of D- in BW? Hi, I'm someone who watched hours and hours of Quake (Q3, QL, Q4) since 2004 but was not good at all in Quake. I also think it is an awesome game to spectate, I'd say it's easier for a beginner spectator to understand than appreciate than an RTS game. RTS games in turn are more spectacular to watch (cool battles between big armies) and easier to understand than MOBAs but it hasn't prevented LoL from stomping them completely. Whether a game is good spectator wise definitely does not guarantee anything about it's popularity, to suggest such a thing seems completely absurd as there are infinitely more factors that make a game popular. | ||
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WhiteWulf
Australia244 Posts
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Taipoka
Brazil1224 Posts
On August 31 2013 11:05 nighcol wrote: Hi, I'm someone who watched hours and hours of Quake (Q3, QL, Q4) since 2004 but was not good at all in Quake. I also think it is an awesome game to spectate, I'd say it's easier for a beginner spectator to understand than appreciate than an RTS game. RTS games in turn are more spectacular to watch (cool battles between big armies) and easier to understand than MOBAs but it hasn't prevented LoL from stomping them completely. Whether a game is good spectator wise definitely does not guarantee anything about it's popularity, to suggest such a thing seems completely absurd as there are infinitely more factors that make a game popular. I agree with you in a point. It was easier to me to "get" SC2 than it is with LOL or DOTA. Maybe im just dumb :-P, maybe not. | ||
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QCD
Suriname81 Posts
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Sawamura
Malaysia7602 Posts
Regardless I don't know what has Jangbi retiring has to do with quake though........ | ||
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doubleupgradeobbies!
Australia1187 Posts
On August 31 2013 12:31 Sawamura wrote: Regardless I don't know what has Jangbi retiring has to do with quake though........ In short: Ribbon: Blizzard doesn't care about esports. Chef: Blizzard does, but only SC2. Masterofpuppets: They do, if you want to see a company who doesn't give a shit about esports, Id. Chef: Not really Id's fault for killing quake, it's not their job to keep quake alive it's the community's. At least they didn't actively sabotage the quake scene. Masterofpuppets: At least blizzard killed BW to promote SC2, Id is shitting all over quake for no discernable reason. Chef (and everyone else who liked BW): I think we liked it better when blizzard didn't give a shit (basically anytime before SC2 was about to come out), we didn't need them to build the BW esports scene, we just need them not to be assholes. I think that pretty much sums it up. Basically screw Id, they don't give a shit about esports. Screw Blizzard, if only they didn't care about esports. | ||
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chatuka
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NET
United States703 Posts
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havok55
United States276 Posts
Jangbi's probably just too tired to grind back into champion shape again, even though he was making headway. | ||
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FlyingToilet
United States840 Posts
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Stratos
Czech Republic6104 Posts
온게임넷 스타1의 마지막 우승자 허영무선수죠^^ 본격적인 스타1은 이제 시작입니다 김태형 해설님이 도움 주셧습니다 하...^^ Liaison with Jangbi is now formal (complete) The last OSL winner Jangbi ^^ Now, it's serious Star1 start Kim Carrier helped ha... ^^ Translation might not be ideal, I've no idea what kind of liaison they're talking about. Is it casting? Or will he be playing? Either way, everyone in the comments seems to be excited so it's bound to be something good.. wooheee??! | ||
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snipealot
Korea (South)494 Posts
좋은 소식 빨리 올려드리겠습니다. 허영무 선수- 스타1 마지막 우승자 아니겠습니까? 김태형 해설님께서 섭외 도와 주셨습니다^^ 아프리카 스타판은 더더더욱 커질겁니다! I have some good news to give you. Jangbi - Isn't he the final winner of SCBW? Kim Carrier helped out liasing with Jangbi The SCBW side of Afreeca just got a lot bigger | ||
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Stratos
Czech Republic6104 Posts
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Gamegene
United States8308 Posts
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Sawamura
Malaysia7602 Posts
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Invidentia
Denmark30 Posts
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mjuuy
Norway506 Posts
On August 31 2013 18:06 snipealot wrote: It says he is coming to sospa, in what capacity is still unclear - but I assume he will play. 좋은 소식 빨리 올려드리겠습니다. 허영무 선수- 스타1 마지막 우승자 아니겠습니까? 김태형 해설님께서 섭외 도와 주셨습니다^^ 아프리카 스타판은 더더더욱 커질겁니다! I have some good news to give you. Jangbi - Isn't he the final winner of SCBW? Kim Carrier helped out liasing with Jangbi The SCBW side of Afreeca just got a lot bigger fuckyaehhhhhhhhhh... | ||
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Yorbon
Netherlands4272 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + about the sospa rumour, that is.. | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On August 31 2013 18:06 snipealot wrote: It says he is coming to sospa, in what capacity is still unclear - but I assume he will play. 좋은 소식 빨리 올려드리겠습니다. 허영무 선수- 스타1 마지막 우승자 아니겠습니까? 김태형 해설님께서 섭외 도와 주셨습니다^^ 아프리카 스타판은 더더더욱 커질겁니다! I have some good news to give you. Jangbi - Isn't he the final winner of SCBW? Kim Carrier helped out liasing with Jangbi The SCBW side of Afreeca just got a lot bigger awesome! Hopefully he's able to get to his peak level otherwise I would hate to see him go out in the earlier rounds due to lack of practice and having gotten used to SCII's mechanics | ||
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Chef
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endy
Switzerland8970 Posts
On August 31 2013 18:18 Stratos wrote: I kneeeew it. Kim carry too strong/ Welcome back Jangbi! rumoursHaha so happy. Whatever the rumors were saying, why would he take a whole year off before military service if it wasn't for BW... yay ! | ||
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sabas123
Netherlands3122 Posts
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On August 31 2013 21:38 endy wrote: Haha so happy. Whatever the rumors were saying, why would he take a whole year off before military service if it wasn't for BW... yay ! this. Seemed weird to take a whole year and then do nothing? lol. You can't get an education in a year, at least 2-3 years etc... BW seemed like the logical reason | ||
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moopie
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soujiro_
Uruguay5195 Posts
jangbi bw = epic | ||
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rift
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Stratos
Czech Republic6104 Posts
On September 01 2013 02:32 rift wrote: this is seriously getting trippy. BW is taking players from SC2 the way SC2 took players from BW! Not the same way tho. SC2 has (some) moneys, we have Kim Carrier. | ||
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KristofferAG
Norway25712 Posts
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zeo
Serbia6284 Posts
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On September 01 2013 02:55 Zeo wrote: Great news, he can play BW leagues (obviously not ultra competitively, but more for fun) and have time for everything else he wants to do. Wonder how long it will take him to get back on form. Honestly I would bet that JangBi is the most "in-form" player to make the switch. | ||
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t0ssboy
Bulgaria681 Posts
On September 01 2013 03:04 Xiphos wrote: Honestly I would bet that JangBi is the most "in-form" player to make the switch. Next up is BiSu(i hope) then KeSPA and blizz can go s*ck a d*ck. | ||
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zeo
Serbia6284 Posts
On September 01 2013 03:30 t0ssboy wrote: Next up is BiSu(i hope) then KeSPA and blizz can go s*ck a d*ck. Imagine some of the other rumors are true. Effort vs. Bisu BW starleague final *drools* | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On September 01 2013 03:35 Zeo wrote: Imagine some of the other rumors are true. Effort vs. Bisu BW starleague final *drools* sorry to disappoint but effort isn't leaving SCII according to the rumour(not retiring) so that starleague is gonna have to wait lol | ||
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zeo
Serbia6284 Posts
On September 01 2013 03:38 BigFan wrote: sorry to disappoint but effort isn't leaving SCII according to the rumour(not retiring) so that starleague is gonna have to wait lol Ok then anyone versus Bisu *drool* >Effort was my favorite zerg, my 'neo-sAviOr', sigh | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On September 01 2013 03:39 Zeo wrote: Ok then anyone versus Bisu *drool* >Effort was my favorite zerg, my 'neo-sAviOr', sigh you don't like killer? | ||
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zeo
Serbia6284 Posts
The only zerg I didn't like was Hyuk | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
oh, may I ask why? lol. He seems like a likeable fellow | ||
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zeo
Serbia6284 Posts
On September 01 2013 04:50 BigFan wrote: oh, may I ask why? lol. He seems like a likeable fellow I don't know really, he just annoyed me, and he would do things that would make my brain die when he played... Now players like Shine on the other hand would make me rub my hands in glee every-time they played just because of the sheer amount of protoss buthurt and tears that would follow... aahhh, good times | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On September 01 2013 04:54 Zeo wrote: I don't know really, he just annoyed me, and he would do things that would make my brain die when he played... Now players like Shine on the other hand would make me rub my hands in glee every-time they played just because of the sheer amount of protoss buthurt and tears that would follow... aahhh, good times Fair enough. You mean Bisu butthurt? | ||
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figq
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Yorbon
Netherlands4272 Posts
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Neemi
Netherlands656 Posts
On September 01 2013 05:59 figq wrote: Rumor has it that Bisu is next. Seems like it's Starleague-winner-retirement-period then So sad :c | ||
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Itachii
Poland12466 Posts
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
On September 01 2013 05:59 figq wrote: Rumor has it that Bisu is next. Oh boy. Between him and Hoon I'm going to be god of multitask | ||
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Noobville17921 Posts
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On September 01 2013 05:59 figq wrote: Rumor has it that Bisu is next. ya, it's in the other thread with another 6-7 rumours or so. Fourth post from the top | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19235 Posts
On September 01 2013 06:23 Neemi wrote: Seems like it's Starleague-winner-retirement-period then So sad :c Bisu never won a starleague /tears :'( | ||
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blabber
United States4448 Posts
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19235 Posts
On September 01 2013 08:31 blabber wrote: i'm sure he meant include MSL along with OSL under "starleague" I guess enough people got on my case for saying it wrong I became the mean one TT | ||
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Chef
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Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
On September 01 2013 05:59 figq wrote: Rumor has it that Bisu is next. I don't think anyone would be surprised by that. | ||
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Ciryandor
United States3735 Posts
On September 01 2013 04:54 Zeo wrote: I don't know really, he just annoyed me, and he would do things that would make my brain die when he played... Now players like Shine on the other hand would make me rub my hands in glee every-time they played just because of the sheer amount of protoss buthurt and tears that would follow... aahhh, good times Bisu hater detected. Kidding aside, Jangbi is going to stomp on a lot of SOSPA Terrans... | ||
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likeasu
Russian Federation88 Posts
Project twit: "Jangbi is joining to SOSPA, he will be play on SSL very soon! It is very likely Bisu will do the same!!!" WOW!! Its GREAT! | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19235 Posts
On September 01 2013 13:59 likeasu wrote: jangbi is coming BACK! =) Project twit: https://twitter.com/Pro7ecT/status/373886710611845120 "Jangbi is joining to SOSPA, he will be play on SSL very soon! It is very likely Bisu will do the same!!!" WOW!! Its GREAT! BeSt news all night. The time has come. I am ready! | ||
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
On September 01 2013 14:06 BisuDagger wrote: BeSt news all night. The time has come. I am ready! my body is ready | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On September 01 2013 13:59 likeasu wrote: jangbi is coming BACK! =) Project twit: https://twitter.com/Pro7ecT/status/373886710611845120 "Jangbi is joining to SOSPA, he will be play on SSL very soon! It is very likely Bisu will do the same!!!" WOW!! Its GREAT! wow major news! Needs its own thread me thinks lol On September 01 2013 14:06 BisuDagger wrote: BeSt news all night. The time has come. I am ready! I sea what you did there Wish Jangbi's opponent's BeSt of luck | ||
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doubleupgradeobbies!
Australia1187 Posts
On September 01 2013 05:59 figq wrote: Rumor has it that Bisu is next. Awwww SHEEEEET. Man I'm going to lose countless hours watching BW again. Literally the best news I've heard in a long time. Really good time for Bisu to switch back too. Even with Jangbi and BeSt, Bisu has really a good record in head to heads vs all the top players in SSL atm. With the exception of Killer who he hasn't played much, and Ssak who was a former teamate, so they've never played an official game. Oh and Hero, who beat him a whole bunch of times in '09. | ||
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Japan11286 Posts
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On September 01 2013 14:42 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote: Awwww SHEEEEET. Man I'm going to lose countless hours watching BW again. Literally the best news I've heard in a long time. Really good time for Bisu to switch back too. Even with Jangbi and BeSt, Bisu has really a good record in head to heads vs all the top players in SSL atm. With the exception of Killer who he hasn't played much, and Ssak who was a former teamate, so they've never played an official game. Oh and Hero, who beat him a whole bunch of times in '09. Ofc he will be next considering the KeSPA teams will be downsizing to six players, eek. Going to see a lot of guys retiring and doing other shit like SOSPA-YA! | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
On September 01 2013 15:41 StarStruck wrote: Ofc he will be next considering the KeSPA teams will be downsizing to six players, eek. Going to see a lot of guys retiring and doing other shit like SOSPA-YA! rumored to downsize, we'll see. 6 is too little though, should be more like 8-9. | ||
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doubleupgradeobbies!
Australia1187 Posts
On September 01 2013 15:44 BLinD-RawR wrote: rumored to downsize, we'll see. 6 is too little though, should be more like 8-9. It's a shame SC2 appropriated Kespa and all it's infrastructure. If they were to downsize to 6, enough former BW monsters might switch to sospa that we would be able to support a small BW proleague again if only we had the sponsorship | ||
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Ciryandor
United States3735 Posts
On September 01 2013 14:30 BLinD-RawR wrote: my mind just exploded. You know, this is all probably just a Fantasy of your Mind. | ||
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doubleupgradeobbies!
Australia1187 Posts
On September 01 2013 16:24 Ciryandor wrote: You know, this is all probably just a Fantasy of your Mind. With all these rumours flying around I almost believed Fantasy was making the switch and Mind was coming out of retirement? You had me excited for a moment there, don't play with our hearts!! | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
On September 01 2013 16:33 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote: With all these rumours flying around I almost believed Fantasy was making the switch and Mind was coming out of retirement? You had me excited for a moment there, don't play with our hearts!! rumors... Flying | ||
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SheaR619
United States2399 Posts
On September 01 2013 13:59 likeasu wrote: jangbi is coming BACK! =) Project twit: https://twitter.com/Pro7ecT/status/373886710611845120 "Jangbi is joining to SOSPA, he will be play on SSL very soon! It is very likely Bisu will do the same!!!" WOW!! Its GREAT! Wait does that mean Bisu is leaving SK telecom and going back to BW? This is pretty big news because he would be the first of the 4 pillar of BW to switch over. The 4 pillar of BW being, Jaedong, Flash, Bisu and Stork (of course this was during the rise of Jangbi and he has yet to prove he was at their lvl). | ||
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Abort Retry Fail
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On September 01 2013 16:03 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote: It's a shame SC2 appropriated Kespa and all it's infrastructure. If they were to downsize to 6, enough former BW monsters might switch to sospa that we would be able to support a small BW proleague again if only we had the sponsorship Yeah. Lets be honest. SC2 is not working. Lets find a way to revive BW, even just the top-tier/S-Class division. | ||
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endy
Switzerland8970 Posts
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Abort Retry Fail
2636 Posts
On September 01 2013 18:14 endy wrote: Massive switch incoming ?! BW lives!!! | ||
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doubleupgradeobbies!
Australia1187 Posts
On September 01 2013 18:12 Abort Retry Fail wrote: Yeah. Lets be honest. SC2 is not working. Lets find a way to revive BW, even just the top-tier/S-Class division. The problem is a bunch of S-class guys in a single tournament does not a esport make. BW was going fine before SC2 came along, it may have been in decline, but it was still going. Now even if SC2 completely collapses, Kespa, and more importantly the large commercial entities involved in Kespa are unlikely to sponsor BW. Without sponsors we can't have a proleague (or similar team competition), without a proleague we can't have proper pro-teams. Without pro-teams we can't have salaried players, and without salaried players we can't have BW anywhere near what it used to be. Basically we can take back our players, but we can't take back the infrastructure, which ironically we built in the first place. Basically unless Kespa (or another group of large sponsors) wants to put money back in BW, even SC2 collapsing isn't going to do us that much good, we will get our players back, but thats about it. | ||
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Yorbon
Netherlands4272 Posts
On September 01 2013 18:55 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote: Only choice is to completely start anew.The problem is a bunch of S-class guys in a single tournament does not a esport make. BW was going fine before SC2 came along, it may have been in decline, but it was still going. Now even if SC2 completely collapses, Kespa, and more importantly the large commercial entities involved in Kespa are unlikely to sponsor BW. Basically we can take back our players, but we can't take back the infrastructure, which ironically we built in the first place. Slowly grow (if possible) is the first step, and in case of a miracle, the growth may be large enough that some infrastructure can be rebuilt. | ||
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TelecoM
United States10673 Posts
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Dundron2000
Sweden1140 Posts
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Gamegene
United States8308 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
On September 01 2013 20:15 Gamegene wrote: Every zerg in SSL just shed a tear. just one? they are probably read for whats coming then. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5555 Posts
On September 01 2013 20:01 GGzerG wrote: AND SO IT BEGUN.......I think this will spark the rebirth of BW..... If only Blizzard wasn't so against BW, we could get an enhanced version of BW (with proper BNet functions, a combination of WC3 BNet and iCCup, plus some BNet 2.0 functions to top it off) - Brood War: Revival. :D | ||
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vndestiny
Singapore3440 Posts
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endy
Switzerland8970 Posts
On September 01 2013 20:43 vndestiny wrote: Too many good Protoss, but so few good Zerg. Killer needs more ppl by his side to battle against the arrogant alien race and the pussy long range human .That's what we thought at first when we had Horang2, Tyson, Brave, Perfectman, and Movie as they were all solid A teamers before. But then only Movie really stood out. Look at the last SRTs/SSL... Even SRT 15, which had 5 protoss in the ro8, ended up with the 3 non-protoss players taking the first 3 places... | ||
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France1158 Posts
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
On September 01 2013 20:42 maybenexttime wrote: If only Blizzard wasn't so against BW, we could get an enhanced version of BW (with proper BNet functions, a combination of WC3 BNet and iCCup, plus some BNet 2.0 functions to top it off) - Brood War: Revival. :D Lol just you wait until BW starts getting big again and they try to kill it off because SC2 in Korea will be even bigger of a flop by then lol. | ||
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United States100 Posts
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Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
On September 01 2013 18:55 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote: The problem is a bunch of S-class guys in a single tournament does not a esport make. BW was going fine before SC2 came along, it may have been in decline, but it was still going. Now even if SC2 completely collapses, Kespa, and more importantly the large commercial entities involved in Kespa are unlikely to sponsor BW. Without sponsors we can't have a proleague (or similar team competition), without a proleague we can't have proper pro-teams. Without pro-teams we can't have salaried players, and without salaried players we can't have BW anywhere near what it used to be. Basically we can take back our players, but we can't take back the infrastructure, which ironically we built in the first place. Basically unless Kespa (or another group of large sponsors) wants to put money back in BW, even SC2 collapsing isn't going to do us that much good, we will get our players back, but thats about it. We'll just have to get new corporate overlords. I think it's really important to try to grow BW in the foreign scene, to make the sponsors like Red Bull and Razor who sponsor goddamn everything to throw some cash BW's way. | ||
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Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
On September 01 2013 22:49 theseraph wrote: i really hope bisu gives sc2 another shot before doing so. then i'd be unopposed to him stomping people out in SOSPA. He's been doing it for a year. He's out of shots to give. | ||
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figq
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cybertopo
Spain525 Posts
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doubleupgradeobbies!
Australia1187 Posts
On September 01 2013 22:50 Ribbon wrote: We'll just have to get new corporate overlords. I think it's really important to try to grow BW in the foreign scene, to make the sponsors like Red Bull and Razor who sponsor goddamn everything to throw some cash BW's way. I wish that is what is going to happen, words could not adequately explain how much I wished in my heart of hearts that it could be. However, that said, call me a fatalist, I can't help but notice the odds are heavily stacked against us. SC2 had a few things going for it that BW didn't, kinda funnily enough SC2 didn't strictly need Kespa, but BW did. For one thing, SC2 was new, there still a sense (perhaps mistaken) among the community at the start that maybe foreign players would be competitive with the Korean scene. And for whatever reason, this was an important driving force behind the globalisation of SC2 esports. This is also why SC2 could get big foreign sponsors like Red Bull and Razor, who's primary market is outside of SK. Perhaps some strange manifestation of patriotism, why ever it is, it was important for there to be at least that illusion of the professional scene not being Koreacentric for there to be as large of a foreign fanbase as there was. For another, SC2 has the backing of Blizzard, they want the SC2 scene to be successful, since they still have an expansion to sell. BW has neither of these going for it. Blizzard's profits from BW sales are going to be negligible, they literally do not give a shit about BW so long as it's not interfering with SC2 sales. The question of competitiveness between the foreign scene compared to the Korean one is a question that is well and truly settled, we've had showmatches aplenty and a decade of WCGs to unequivocally disabuse us of that notion. The competitive professional scene is defined by the Korean one, while it has a loyal foreign fanbase, and it's simply not going to be profitable for foreign sponsors pick up Kespa's slack. Which takes me back to my original quote, it's a shame SC2/Blizzard pulled out that infrastructure from underneath us. Kespa may have been inept and corrupt, but it was important to us, far more so than it was/is to SC2. I mean it's great we get some of our players back, it's better than nothing. And I guess we can still pray for a miracle that Kespa or other large Korean companies champion the BW cause, but lets face it, the chances of BW getting back to anything like it's former glory is pretty grim. We can still be happy that the future of BW looks alot brighter than it did a week ago, and it pains me to say this, but lets not get too carried away. | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
And in terms of graphics, I think that as time prolongs, there will be enough enough in the programming community to render the pixel of the game into higher resolution with more details and clarity. Now I'm not exactly sure how we might get to that point as we speak but I'm majoring in the computer science and there are 150 students in my class with ambitions so there are definitely plans to make a name of ourselves in the near future. We can solve all of these obstacles that stands in our way by ourselves and I think that as long as we work hard to spread the scene around, share SOSPA leagues with friends, encourage other to try out the DRTL, we can shift the momentum around and have a second coming of the game. And for sponsors, please try to get ANYONE, no matter how minuscule you think their contribution will be, a penny gained is one step closer. Us attracting new players and spectators means higher status of sponsors which in turn incur in more people watching. The only problem is that someone have to start rolling the dice to commence the machine and the stars will align. EDIT: But our great "hypothetical" asset is Day[9], and Tastosis. They have many followers. If we are able to get them into BW restructuring, then our size will explodes. But too bad that they fall into victims of capitalism. Day[9], if you think that BW is so great and everything but without ever making a BW dailies after the release of SC2, that love is all moot and vapid. | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On September 01 2013 23:25 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote: I wish that is what is going to happen, words could not adequately explain how much I wished in my heart of hearts that it could be. However, that said, call me a fatalist, I can't help but notice the odds are heavily stacked against us. SC2 had a few things going for it that BW didn't, kinda funnily enough SC2 didn't strictly need Kespa, but BW did. For one thing, SC2 was new, there still a sense (perhaps mistaken) among the community at the start that maybe foreign players would be competitive with the Korean scene. And for whatever reason, this was an important driving force behind the globalisation of SC2 esports. This is also why SC2 could get big foreign sponsors like Red Bull and Razor, who's primary market is outside of SK. Perhaps some strange manifestation of patriotism, why ever it is, it was important for there to be at least that illusion of the professional scene not being Koreacentric for there to be as large of a foreign fanbase as there was. For another, SC2 has the backing of Blizzard, they want the SC2 scene to be successful, since they still have an expansion to sell. BW has neither of these going for it. Blizzard's profits from BW sales are going to be negligible, they literally do not give a shit about BW so long as it's not interfering with SC2 sales. The question of competitiveness between the foreign scene compared to the Korean one is a question that is well and truly settled, we've had showmatches aplenty and a decade of WCGs to unequivocally disabuse us of that notion. The competitive professional scene is defined by the Korean one, while it has a loyal foreign fanbase, and it's simply not going to be profitable for foreign sponsors pick up Kespa's slack. Which takes me back to my original quote, it's a shame SC2/Blizzard pulled out that infrastructure from underneath us. Kespa may have been inept and corrupt, but it was important to us, far more so than it was/is to SC2. I mean it's great we get some of our players back, it's better than nothing. And I guess we can still pray for a miracle that Kespa or other large Korean companies champion the BW cause, but lets face it, the chances of BW getting back to anything like it's former glory is pretty grim. We can still be happy that the future of BW looks alot brighter than it did a week ago, and it pains me to say this, but lets not get too carried away. I think you're dead on. Keep in mind that SSL/DRT is going strong atm and with Jangbi, possibly Jaehoon and likely Bisu eventually joining SOSPA, the number of viewers will increase. If it increases enough then Sonic can get better sponsors etc... and while BW will never the same as its past since PL rules have changed, teams disbanded etc... it can at least grow and become more stable. I guess what I'm saying is that maybe SSL will grow to OSL/MSL levels with decent prize pools so even without PL, we can get the same feeling with the awesome intros. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5555 Posts
On September 01 2013 23:06 figq wrote: Blizzard still have so much opportunity on their hands with BW, they probably don't even realize. BW is still their IP. They could renovate it, promote it all over Korea for a second big wave of BW esports, and require some reasonable % of that economy, for providing the rights. Everybody could win. Hell, if Blizzard would play that card well, they could easily win more money from BW in Korea than from SC2. Keep in mind they do invest a crapton of money in the development of SC2, and for BW they have everything ready and done, only requiring some addons, like matchmaking and stuff. This! The problem is Blizzard developers seem to have some serious ego issues and insecurities. That's why they have tried to undermine BW for several past years instead of winning Korea fair and square. | ||
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gen.Sun
United States539 Posts
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LRM)INF3cted
Bulgaria242 Posts
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Shana
Indonesia1814 Posts
Can't wait for the next SSL/SRT | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On September 02 2013 00:58 maybenexttime wrote: This! The problem is Blizzard developers seem to have some serious ego issues and insecurities. That's why they have tried to undermine BW for several past years instead of winning Korea fair and square. Why would Blizzard pump so much money into SCII to try and make it the leading esports in Korea then turn around and start pumping into BW and leave SCII in the dust? It'll never happen because it'll alienate any fans that they made with SCII likely losing them a large chunk of money and they are a business after all. Just imagine the community outcry(SCII section) if such a thing happened. They're already singing SCII is dying lol. On top of that, Blizzard should've just invested into BW in the first place but they would make more money prompting SCII since LoTV is still coming out in ~2 years time or so. Ya, they have some ego issues with refusing to have certain mechanics in SCII that should be normal imo like high ground advantage. | ||
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Larvator
Ukraine87 Posts
On September 01 2013 20:15 Gamegene wrote: Every zerg in SSL just shed a tear. SSL Zergs are very sharp-toothed when it comes to killing a protoss. | ||
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VGhost
United States3613 Posts
I'm going to go watch that OSL final now. GL Jangbi with everything. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5555 Posts
On September 02 2013 03:19 BigFan wrote: Why would Blizzard pump so much money into SCII to try and make it the leading esports in Korea then turn around and start pumping into BW and leave SCII in the dust? It'll never happen because it'll alienate any fans that they made with SCII likely losing them a large chunk of money and they are a business after all. Just imagine the community outcry(SCII section) if such a thing happened. They're already singing SCII is dying lol. On top of that, Blizzard should've just invested into BW in the first place but they would make more money prompting SCII since LoTV is still coming out in ~2 years time or so. Ya, they have some ego issues with refusing to have certain mechanics in SCII that should be normal imo like high ground advantage. I'm not talking about investing a lot of money into BW in Korea. The drive is already there, moreso than in case of SC2, afaik. Using WC3's BNet infrastructure/code (which seems to be compatible with BW) and possibly integrating iCCup etc. features (I don't think their creators would oppose that) does not take that much effort. And they wouldn't have to leave SC2 in the dust either - the games are different enough for them to get Blizzard's support. I'm pretty sure they could come up with a new model of monetizing BW that takes into account the PC Bang culture, UMS community, map making community, the sports culture and so on. I mean, if Valve can make a fortune by selling hats, why can't Blizzard do the same? Their fanbase used to be equally enthusiastic as Valve's. | ||
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Birdie
New Zealand4438 Posts
On September 01 2013 20:42 maybenexttime wrote: If only Blizzard wasn't so against BW, we could get an enhanced version of BW (with proper BNet functions, a combination of WC3 BNet and iCCup, plus some BNet 2.0 functions to top it off) - Brood War: Revival. :D It's coming soon(TM). | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On September 02 2013 04:33 maybenexttime wrote: I'm not talking about investing a lot of money into BW in Korea. The drive is already there, moreso than in case of SC2, afaik. Using WC3's BNet infrastructure/code (which seems to be compatible with BW) and possibly integrating iCCup etc. features (I don't think their creators would oppose that) does not take that much effort. And they wouldn't have to leave SC2 in the dust either - the games are different enough for them to get Blizzard's support. I'm pretty sure they could come up with a new model of monetizing BW that takes into account the PC Bang culture, UMS community, map making community, the sports culture and so on. I mean, if Valve can make a fortune by selling hats, why can't Blizzard do the same? Their fanbase used to be equally enthusiastic as Valve's. hmm thing is, by keeping both BW and SCII, you are splitting up the RTS esports market. I see your point though and even though it's valid, I highly doubt Blizzard will do it. To them, BW is old and SCII is its replacement that 'they' made which is why they have a large ego when it comes to SCII and flat out refuse some of the communities' suggestions. Yes, Blizzard's fanbase can be equally as enthusiastic but it doesn't seem like Blizzard will make the right moves to take advantage of that. | ||
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Cele
Germany4016 Posts
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On September 02 2013 04:49 Cele wrote: i doubt blizzard is going to support BW ever, as they never did before. They did bet on SC2 to be the next big epsort thing and they are going to stick with it. However i've decided to watch the vods of the final two OSL in tribute to Jangbi now. you've been beaten my friend edit: Shine vs Shuttle gogo! lol. | ||
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
On September 02 2013 03:36 Larvator wrote: SSL Zergs are very sharp-toothed when it comes to killing a protoss. I seem to remember Bisu having the biggest, sharpest PvZ teeth in the buisness JangBi was one of the best players in the game at the end. Jaehoon was finally overcoming nerves and doing well at the end too (something like 64% WR over last calendar year of BW) and just rolled hero 2-0. Afreeca protoss is getting a major buff! | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On September 02 2013 04:50 BigFan wrote: you've been beaten my friend edit: Shine vs Shuttle gogo! lol. Wait, Shine joined SSL? | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
nono lol, watching OSL | ||
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Larvator
Ukraine87 Posts
On September 02 2013 05:11 L_Master wrote: I seem to remember Bisu having the biggest, sharpest PvZ teeth in the buisness JangBi was one of the best players in the game at the end. Jaehoon was finally overcoming nerves and doing well at the end too (something like 64% WR over last calendar year of BW) and just rolled hero 2-0. Afreeca protoss is getting a major buff! Well, then it's time to see how good Hero and Killer are! | ||
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riyanme
Philippines940 Posts
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SkelA
Macedonia13032 Posts
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snipealot
Korea (South)494 Posts
On September 02 2013 08:28 SkelA wrote: I would actually start watching BW again.... if streams were not a total shit everytime i tried to. Anything specific I can improve? | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
I don't think it is wrongdoings on your part Snipealot, it is more about the function of the contemporary Twitch.tv system. A few weeks ago, the stream ran at a very smooth pace but lately there happened to a few lag spikes there and there. This doesn't just concern us but also other games (as I've seen complaints on multiple fronts). | ||
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theMagus
578 Posts
On September 01 2013 13:59 likeasu wrote: jangbi is coming BACK! =) Project twit: https://twitter.com/Pro7ecT/status/373886710611845120 "Jangbi is joining to SOSPA, he will be play on SSL very soon! It is very likely Bisu will do the same!!!" WOW!! Its GREAT! shit just got real in sospa! | ||
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snipealot
Korea (South)494 Posts
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Cele
Germany4016 Posts
im sry but before we get all over exited again... why would pro7ect know this for sure? He didnt provide a link to korean or anything. | ||
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amazingxkcd
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
On September 02 2013 11:10 snipealot wrote: Mini just got announced as a new sospa entry by sonic on fb so when will we get some terrans or zergs? Seems like all the tosses are joining sospa | ||
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rauk
United States2228 Posts
On September 02 2013 11:34 Cele wrote: im sry but before we get all over exited again... why would pro7ect know this for sure? He didnt provide a link to korean or anything. pro7ect is korean, probably knows someone | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19235 Posts
On September 02 2013 11:34 Cele wrote: im sry but before we get all over exited again... why would pro7ect know this for sure? He didnt provide a link to korean or anything. Who cares? We got mini in the SSL!!! | ||
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NotJumperer
United States1371 Posts
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theMagus
578 Posts
this was what i was thinking about, pretty much. jangbi joining sospa isn't too far-fetched is it? i'm also just trying to be positive here | ||
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theMagus
578 Posts
On September 02 2013 13:06 Jumperer wrote: jangbi is now streaming on snipealot2 i'm there! edit: he ain't :/ | ||
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L3gendary
Canada1470 Posts
On September 02 2013 12:45 amazingxkcd wrote: so when will we get some terrans or zergs? Seems like all the tosses are joining sospa We have some great terrans between sea, hiya, and ssak. Could use some more zergs but at least there's killer. | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
ya it's Orz, dunno who that is. Supposedly he streamed yesterday but same thing happened lol. | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19235 Posts
On September 02 2013 13:40 BigFan wrote: ya it's Orz, dunno who that is. Supposedly he streamed yesterday but same thing happened lol. I'm so sad right now. I was rdy to watch Jangbang. | ||
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
Obviously the stream is badass. I never have any problems with the stream itself. The only, and I mean literally only thing I have any issue with is that VOD lengths sometimes get pretty long. When they start getting 40, 60, 90+ hours, you can only jump in like 20 min increments which makes it a pain if you want to skip somewhere specific. | ||
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purakushi
United States3300 Posts
BW is forever :DHe may have been doing relatively well in SC2, but he should not play a game he does not like. /Waits patiently for the rest of ex-BW pros to "retire". | ||
Spazer
Canada8031 Posts
On September 02 2013 14:18 L_Master wrote: Obviously the stream is badass. I never have any problems with the stream itself. The only, and I mean literally only thing I have any issue with is that VOD lengths sometimes get pretty long. When they start getting 40, 60, 90+ hours, you can only jump in like 20 min increments which makes it a pain if you want to skip somewhere specific. The twitch interface sucks. Use timecodes in the url if you want accurate skips. | ||
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
On September 02 2013 14:58 Spazer wrote: The twitch interface sucks. Use timecodes in the url if you want accurate skips. My life has been revolutionized. Not sure why I didn't think of this. Thank you! | ||
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snipealot
Korea (South)494 Posts
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M.R. McThundercrotch
United States265 Posts
Ten years down the line, Blizzard is looking to make StarCraft 3. This time, they approach the Korean pros, asking for help. The response is "You tried to destroy us last time, why should we help you?" Dejected, Blizzard seeks out the only person they can think of to help them. Scene opens with Browder and Kim climbing a mountain. When they reach the top, they find an old, ancient monastery. They go through giant double doors, and inside is a lone man, sitting on the floor in front of a computer screen. KIM: That's him. BROWDER: You sure? KIM: Yes, he's the only bonjwa who will work with us; the only man who could be our...savior. Cut to black. Roll credits. Stinger featuring Hong Jin Ho running for Mayor of Seoul - he comes in second when the people of Korea literally write in "Slayers_Boxer." Lim Yo Hwan's first act as President is to build a bunker across the street from Yellow's house. Begin production on the sequel, working title StarCraft Wars Episode 2: the Drone Wars. In theaters soonTM. | ||
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Birdie
New Zealand4438 Posts
Lim Yo Hwan's first act as President is to build a bunker across the street from Yellow's house. Hahahahahaha | ||
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
On September 02 2013 15:57 M.R. McThundercrotch wrote: So, StarCraft 2 continues shrinking, causing more old Brood War pros to join amateur leagues. The influx of old pros brings heightened interest and heightened interest brings in more sponsors. More sponsors brings in more pros, rinse and repeat until a New Golden Age of Brood War is formed. Blizzard gives up on SC2 and the new Korean StarCraft scene uses the Galaxy Editor to create StarCraft Pro, a game that combines all the best ideas from both games. Ten years down the line, Blizzard is looking to make StarCraft 3. This time, they approach the Korean pros, asking for help. The response is "You tried to destroy us last time, why should we help you?" Dejected, Blizzard seeks out the only person they can think of to help them. Scene opens with Browder and Kim climbing a mountain. When they reach the top, they find an old, ancient monastery. They go through giant double doors, and inside is a lone man, sitting on the floor in front of a computer screen. KIM: That's him. BROWDER: You sure? KIM: Yes, he's the only bonjwa who will work with us; the only man who could be our...savior. Cut to black. Roll credits. Stinger featuring Hong Jin Ho running for Mayor of Seoul - he comes in second when the people of Korea literally write in "Slayers_Boxer." Lim Yo Hwan's first act as President is to build a bunker across the street from Yellow's house. Begin production on the sequel, working title StarCraft Wars Episode 2: the Drone Wars. In theaters soonTM. I love you. That was definitely worth my time haha! | ||
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tRuE008
United States54 Posts
On September 02 2013 15:57 M.R. McThundercrotch wrote: So, StarCraft 2 continues shrinking, causing more old Brood War pros to join amateur leagues. The influx of old pros brings heightened interest and heightened interest brings in more sponsors. More sponsors brings in more pros, rinse and repeat until a New Golden Age of Brood War is formed. Blizzard gives up on SC2 and the new Korean StarCraft scene uses the Galaxy Editor to create StarCraft Pro, a game that combines all the best ideas from both games. Ten years down the line, Blizzard is looking to make StarCraft 3. This time, they approach the Korean pros, asking for help. The response is "You tried to destroy us last time, why should we help you?" Dejected, Blizzard seeks out the only person they can think of to help them. Scene opens with Browder and Kim climbing a mountain. When they reach the top, they find an old, ancient monastery. They go through giant double doors, and inside is a lone man, sitting on the floor in front of a computer screen. KIM: That's him. BROWDER: You sure? KIM: Yes, he's the only bonjwa who will work with us; the only man who could be our...savior. Cut to black. Roll credits. Stinger featuring Hong Jin Ho running for Mayor of Seoul - he comes in second when the people of Korea literally write in "Slayers_Boxer." Lim Yo Hwan's first act as President is to build a bunker across the street from Yellow's house. Begin production on the sequel, working title StarCraft Wars Episode 2: the Drone Wars. In theaters soonTM. Pretty much a lurker here, but unburrowed just to say how much win this post is. BW for life *burrow* | ||
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reminisce12
Australia318 Posts
On September 01 2013 23:25 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote: I wish that is what is going to happen, words could not adequately explain how much I wished in my heart of hearts that it could be. However, that said, call me a fatalist, I can't help but notice the odds are heavily stacked against us. SC2 had a few things going for it that BW didn't, kinda funnily enough SC2 didn't strictly need Kespa, but BW did. For one thing, SC2 was new, there still a sense (perhaps mistaken) among the community at the start that maybe foreign players would be competitive with the Korean scene. And for whatever reason, this was an important driving force behind the globalisation of SC2 esports. This is also why SC2 could get big foreign sponsors like Red Bull and Razor, who's primary market is outside of SK. Perhaps some strange manifestation of patriotism, why ever it is, it was important for there to be at least that illusion of the professional scene not being Koreacentric for there to be as large of a foreign fanbase as there was. For another, SC2 has the backing of Blizzard, they want the SC2 scene to be successful, since they still have an expansion to sell. BW has neither of these going for it. Blizzard's profits from BW sales are going to be negligible, they literally do not give a shit about BW so long as it's not interfering with SC2 sales. The question of competitiveness between the foreign scene compared to the Korean one is a question that is well and truly settled, we've had showmatches aplenty and a decade of WCGs to unequivocally disabuse us of that notion. The competitive professional scene is defined by the Korean one, while it has a loyal foreign fanbase, and it's simply not going to be profitable for foreign sponsors pick up Kespa's slack. Which takes me back to my original quote, it's a shame SC2/Blizzard pulled out that infrastructure from underneath us. Kespa may have been inept and corrupt, but it was important to us, far more so than it was/is to SC2. I mean it's great we get some of our players back, it's better than nothing. And I guess we can still pray for a miracle that Kespa or other large Korean companies champion the BW cause, but lets face it, the chances of BW getting back to anything like it's former glory is pretty grim. We can still be happy that the future of BW looks alot brighter than it did a week ago, and it pains me to say this, but lets not get too carried away. Heres the thing though, if SC2 didnt have starcraft in its name, would pplz play it as esports? BW was the most pop esports because it was a fun and deeply rich game, you cant say the same for sc2, it will eventually drop off the face of esports. | ||
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Boonbag
France3318 Posts
On September 02 2013 17:29 reminisce12 wrote: Heres the thing though, if SC2 didnt have starcraft in its name, would pplz play it as esports? BW was the most pop esports because it was a fun and deeply rich game, you cant say the same for sc2, it will eventually drop off the face of esports. well yeah i mean bw still outlasted warIII i really wish they go back -- | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On September 02 2013 21:35 nighcol wrote: This article would seem to support this piece of news: http://sports.news.naver.com/sports/index.nhn?category=e_sports&ctg=news&mod=read&office_id=347&article_id=0000044957&date=20130902&page=1 Another one with a nice table & races that's easier to read through translate as someone who doesn't understand korean: http://sports.news.naver.com/sports/index.nhn?category=e_sports&ctg=news&mod=read&office_id=439&article_id=0000000274&date=20130902&page=1 | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19235 Posts
Holy shit. Skt releasing fantasy. That's so stupid. He's been so integral to skt success. Unless he's retiring SC2 I'm pissed at skt. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5555 Posts
On September 02 2013 04:49 BigFan wrote: hmm thing is, by keeping both BW and SCII, you are splitting up the RTS esports market. I see your point though and even though it's valid, I highly doubt Blizzard will do it. To them, BW is old and SCII is its replacement that 'they' made which is why they have a large ego when it comes to SCII and flat out refuse some of the communities' suggestions. Yes, Blizzard's fanbase can be equally as enthusiastic but it doesn't seem like Blizzard will make the right moves to take advantage of that. It's a myth. KeSPA's SC2 audience is closer to GOM's SC2 audience than to KeSPA's BW audience (just look at the seats, the portion of foreigners is quite similar). Many fans simply did not switch and you also had many people watch both games, so I don't think that splitting the RTS esports scene is much of an issue here. | ||
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forumtext
575 Posts
On September 03 2013 02:12 BisuDagger wrote: Holy shit. Skt releasing fantasy. That's so stupid. He's been so integral to skt success. Unless he's retiring SC2 I'm pissed at skt. Not even Boxer can save Fantasy. Or... + Show Spoiler + Maybe Boxer is the one who signed his release?! | ||
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RezChi
Canada2368 Posts
Jangbi Brood War fighting! | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19235 Posts
On September 03 2013 02:30 forumtext wrote: Not even Boxer can save Fantasy. Or... + Show Spoiler + Maybe Boxer is the one who signed his release?! I thought fantasy was good at sc2. Not sure he needed saving. | ||
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
On September 03 2013 03:40 BisuDagger wrote: I thought fantasy was good at sc2. Not sure he needed saving. He's had some good games and shown some truly great play but ultimately he's just very inconsistent. The talent most definitely still shines through at times but it hasn't produced any notable results, certainly none fitting of his legacy. Actually wait, I thought the article was talking about players going into that negotiation thingy? Won't T1 just hire him again? Why all this talk of retirement? :/ | ||
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Thinasy
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
On September 03 2013 02:12 BisuDagger wrote: Holy shit. Skt releasing fantasy. That's so stupid. He's been so integral to skt success. Unless he's retiring SC2 I'm pissed at skt. Fantasy's free agent status does not mean that SKT has released him; it just means that the term of his contract is over. Jaedong went through the same process a few years ago while sitting at the top of KeSPA's ranking and he re-signed with oz. Maybe SKT doesn't want Fantasy anymore, but there is no way to make that determination based on his status as a free agent. | ||
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fabiano
Brazil4644 Posts
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forumtext
575 Posts
On September 03 2013 03:40 BisuDagger wrote: I thought fantasy was good at sc2. Not sure he needed saving. IMO Fantasy never reach that stage in SC2 where he can be consider "good", he just had the mentality for it. Time and time again he has mentioned in interviews that SC2 is more suited to his play style, yet every time we were disappointed. Interestingly, Janbi also said the similar things in interviews before he quit. | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On September 03 2013 02:17 maybenexttime wrote: It's a myth. KeSPA's SC2 audience is closer to GOM's SC2 audience than to KeSPA's BW audience (just look at the seats, the portion of foreigners is quite similar). Many fans simply did not switch and you also had many people watch both games, so I don't think that splitting the RTS esports scene is much of an issue here. hmm fair enough. It probably won't be much of an issue then. On September 03 2013 03:40 BisuDagger wrote: I thought fantasy was good at sc2. Not sure he needed saving. he was ok, definitely not what he was in BW though. He said SCII fit his playstyle yet he disappointed a lot. Not sure why, maybe he just doesn't enjoy it as much and that's understandable imo. For anyone wondering, the names are Effort, TY, Fantasy, Shine and Skyhigh. | ||
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figq
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On September 03 2013 08:01 figq wrote: Fantasy I would guess is one of those who can play well SC2 but just...um, sorry to say it... don't see the point. I still wonder why he's struggling though. He has the skills if he can play BW at such a high level so what's holding him? Lack of love for the game? Must be I think | ||
white_horse
1019 Posts
On September 03 2013 08:03 BigFan wrote: I still wonder why he's struggling though. He has the skills if he can play BW at such a high level so what's holding him? Lack of love for the game? Must be I think More like the game isn't hard enough to clearly separate the good players from the bad | ||
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Cele
Germany4016 Posts
On September 03 2013 09:47 white_horse wrote: More like the game isn't hard enough to clearly separate the good players from the bad yeah that's a very clear problem that everybody can observe who followed Sc2 a bit more. It has become slightly better with HotS, but i still think there isn enough room to show superior skill. Flash said this as well in an interview. | ||
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Mazer
Canada1086 Posts
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Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
On September 03 2013 04:01 Mindcrime wrote: Fantasy's free agent status does not mean that SKT has released him; it just means that the term of his contract is over. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=427820 But in the present state of the StarCraft 2 scene, the real question is why wouldn't INnoVation leave KeSPA? Remember that time INnoVation won the Korean qualifier for IEM Shanghai, earned himself a fully paid trip to China, and then couldn't go because his team was playing Proleague that weekend? Revival ended up winning that tournament, taking home the first place prize of $10,000. Revival. I'm going to leave it to you to imagine what would have happened if INnoVation played Revival. This articles about why KeSPA pros might want to switch to foreign teams, but it's interesting to think about it in the context of retiring, as well. Pretty much all the money in SC2 is put in a safe marked "Not for KeSPA players". It's probably a big part of why all the KeSPA pros are jumping ship and hardly any of the eSF pros are (remember, a lot of the older SC2 pros were BW pros or semi-pros, so BW remains a viable option for, say, MarineKing). Innovation (Bogus) may literally having been giving up more prize money to Soul than they were paying him. | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On September 03 2013 09:55 Cele wrote: yeah that's a very clear problem that everybody can observe who followed Sc2 a bit more. It has become slightly better with HotS, but i still think there isn enough room to show superior skill. Flash said this as well in an interview. hmm you both make a good point. Some things in SCII are quite rigid such as needing vikings for colossi otherwise you die lol. I think the smart AI and smart casting all resulted in a decrease in the skill required and most players play the same style so you can't separate players based on their different styles etc... Maybe Blizzard will get it right with LoTV or maybe they'll just add a couple more units, patch a bit then leave SCII be. On September 03 2013 11:24 Ribbon wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=427820 This articles about why KeSPA pros might want to switch to foreign teams, but it's interesting to think about it in the context of retiring, as well. Pretty much all the money in SC2 is put in a safe marked "Not for KeSPA players". It's probably a big part of why all the KeSPA pros are jumping ship and hardly any of the eSF pros are (remember, a lot of the older SC2 pros were BW pros or semi-pros, so BW remains a viable option for, say, MarineKing). Innovation (Bogus) may literally having been giving up more prize money to Soul than they were paying him. That article is all truth. If you are on a KeSPA team and you're a really good player(think Jaedong for ex if he was still on team 8) then you are missing out on a lot of money and you get to keep most of it for yourself. On top of that, you travel a lot, meet lots of new people etc... Jaedong is definitely loving his time on EG and I'm sure he'll stay on for another year at least. | ||
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snipealot
Korea (South)494 Posts
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VManOfMana
United States764 Posts
On September 03 2013 12:09 BigFan wrote: hmm you both make a good point. Some things in SCII are quite rigid such as needing vikings for colossi otherwise you die lol. I think the smart AI and smart casting all resulted in a decrease in the skill required and most players play the same style so you can't separate players based on their different styles etc... Maybe Blizzard will get it right with LoTV or maybe they'll just add a couple more units, patch a bit then leave SCII be. That article is all truth. If you are on a KeSPA team and you're a really good player(think Jaedong for ex if he was still on team 8) then you are missing out on a lot of money and you get to keep most of it for yourself. On top of that, you travel a lot, meet lots of new people etc... Jaedong is definitely loving his time on EG and I'm sure he'll stay on for another year at least. On the other hand, you are entering an economy that is very top-weighted. There is a limit to how many tournaments a player can travel to in a year, and how many of those tournaments the player is going to win. Then what? For how long the tournament cash winning economy is going to last before people realize it can only support a handful of players? What about anybody else? For how long are the NA and EU scenes going to be sustainable once most of the money goes to Koreans flying in? The fundamental change in the Korea that actually made eSports sustainable was the fact that the money was not concentrated in the top 1% of the players. That was the whole point of Boxer making sure that the whole team, and not just himself, is to be sponsored by SKTelecom. How can I not feel that Blizzard is causing Starcraft to move backwards? Korea, once the capital of eSports, is no longer able to maintain its sustainability, causing an exodus of players which make it practically impossible for other regions to sustain themselves. Starcraft is cannibalizing itself. eSports were not created when Starcraft II was released. Sustainable eSports are not rocket science. It was already figured out in Korea: have a game people actually like playing, have competition grow from those players, competition brings audience, which brings more competition organically. Eventually, once you have enough audience, you can bring sponsorship to competition. Everything went upside down with Starcraft II. | ||
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Fazers
735 Posts
On September 03 2013 08:03 BigFan wrote: I still wonder why he's struggling though. He has the skills if he can play BW at such a high level so what's holding him? Lack of love for the game? Must be I think There's not a doubt about it. I mean look at Bisu...:'( | ||
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DinoToss
Poland507 Posts
On September 03 2013 13:42 snipealot wrote: Third new player announced for sospa, apparently an old-schooler who was on airforce ace http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/players/226_ChRh ChRh vs Bisu, + Show Spoiler + GHOST reporting | ||
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mongmong
Korea (South)1389 Posts
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Sinedd
Poland7052 Posts
On September 03 2013 17:06 DinoToss wrote: ChRh vs Bisu, + Show Spoiler + GHOST reporting http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q76UMzo3oEc woah ! reeeeaaaaalllly oldschool nice ! and who were the 2 new announced before him ? | ||
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traceurling
United States1240 Posts
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On September 03 2013 13:42 snipealot wrote: Third new player announced for sospa, apparently an old-schooler who was on airforce ace http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/players/226_ChRh sweet! More competition On September 03 2013 13:51 VManOfMana wrote: On the other hand, you are entering an economy that is very top-weighted. There is a limit to how many tournaments a player can travel to in a year, and how many of those tournaments the player is going to win. Then what? For how long the tournament cash winning economy is going to last before people realize it can only support a handful of players? What about anybody else? For how long are the NA and EU scenes going to be sustainable once most of the money goes to Koreans flying in? The fundamental change in the Korea that actually made eSports sustainable was the fact that the money was not concentrated in the top 1% of the players. That was the whole point of Boxer making sure that the whole team, and not just himself, is to be sponsored by SKTelecom. How can I not feel that Blizzard is causing Starcraft to move backwards? Korea, once the capital of eSports, is no longer able to maintain its sustainability, causing an exodus of players which make it practically impossible for other regions to sustain themselves. Starcraft is cannibalizing itself. eSports were not created when Starcraft II was released. Sustainable eSports are not rocket science. It was already figured out in Korea: have a game people actually like playing, have competition grow from those players, competition brings audience, which brings more competition organically. Eventually, once you have enough audience, you can bring sponsorship to competition. Everything went upside down with Starcraft II. hmm I see your point. It's disappointing that SC in Korea is declining but SSL/SRT is getting better. Let's wait and see what happens and if BW can make a comeback! | ||
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c0ldfusion
United States8293 Posts
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On September 03 2013 16:55 Fazers wrote: There's not a doubt about it. I mean look at Bisu...:'( Guys stop comparing the two games. They're very fucking different. Just because you had success with one doesn't mean you will find success with the other. | ||
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empty.bottle
685 Posts
On September 02 2013 15:57 M.R. McThundercrotch wrote: So, StarCraft 2 continues shrinking, causing more old Brood War pros to join amateur leagues. The influx of old pros brings heightened interest and heightened interest brings in more sponsors. More sponsors brings in more pros, rinse and repeat until a New Golden Age of Brood War is formed. Blizzard gives up on SC2 and the new Korean StarCraft scene uses the Galaxy Editor to create StarCraft Pro, a game that combines all the best ideas from both games. Ten years down the line, Blizzard is looking to make StarCraft 3. This time, they approach the Korean pros, asking for help. The response is "You tried to destroy us last time, why should we help you?" Dejected, Blizzard seeks out the only person they can think of to help them. Scene opens with Browder and Kim climbing a mountain. When they reach the top, they find an old, ancient monastery. They go through giant double doors, and inside is a lone man, sitting on the floor in front of a computer screen. KIM: That's him. BROWDER: You sure? KIM: Yes, he's the only bonjwa who will work with us; the only man who could be our...savior. Cut to black. Roll credits. Stinger featuring Hong Jin Ho running for Mayor of Seoul - he comes in second when the people of Korea literally write in "Slayers_Boxer." Lim Yo Hwan's first act as President is to build a bunker across the street from Yellow's house. Begin production on the sequel, working title StarCraft Wars Episode 2: the Drone Wars. In theaters soonTM. hahaha so good gj. | ||
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FlaShFTW
United States10155 Posts
fuck damn man owell, good luck 2time OSL champ! | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On September 04 2013 01:22 StarStruck wrote: Guys stop comparing the two games. They're very fucking different. Just because you had success with one doesn't mean you will find success with the other. yes, we are aware that they are different. yes, I'm speculating about the lack of love but it's not unfounded. Parting said that Bisu was amazing in practice, he had #1 GM HoTS during beta(not sure what period) etc... From what I've seen, he performed better in HoTS but nowhere what at least I expected. That is all. | ||
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Fazers
735 Posts
On September 04 2013 01:22 StarStruck wrote: Guys stop comparing the two games. They're very fucking different. Just because you had success with one doesn't mean you will find success with the other. ...we're talking about the passion and love for the game. What I'm trying to say, is that Bisu probably never enjoyed SC2 in the first place as much as he did for BW. It's quite evident through if you compare his results in both games. | ||
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Yorbon
Netherlands4272 Posts
On September 04 2013 03:19 Fazers wrote: starstruck's point is that you can't say anything, because they're different games. The motivation issue is clouded by other factors. You might be able to analyse those factors on a larger scale, but it's meaningless in individual cases....we're talking about the passion and love for the game. What I'm trying to say, is that Bisu probably never enjoyed SC2 in the first place as much as he did for BW. It's quite evident through if you compare his results in both games. So, no, it is not evident at all. | ||
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Black Gun
Germany4482 Posts
and as awesome as the influx of great players in the SSL scene is, i doubt that bw can truely make a sustainable comeback. i cant imagine any young kids starting to play and practice bw to the extend required for a pro or semipro career. if many old pros leave sc2 and return to bw, then bw can have another couple of good years. but in the long run, those guys will have to go to university, get jobs, go to the military and so on - and there will be no new generation of bw players to replace them. it is very possible that we have a sponsored bw league in korea in 2014 or 2015. but in my opinion, it is close to impossible to have a thriving bw scene in 2017 or 2018. | ||
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traceurling
United States1240 Posts
Also a friend of mine said that bisu hasn't played enough televised matches to say that he sucks or is awesome in SCII... | ||
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Fazers
735 Posts
On September 04 2013 03:35 Yorbon wrote: starstruck's point is that you can't say anything, because they're different games. The motivation issue is clouded by other factors. You might be able to analyse those factors on a larger scale, but it's meaningless in individual cases. So, no, it is not evident at all. Naw. | ||
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Potling
Norway298 Posts
On September 04 2013 01:22 StarStruck wrote: Guys stop comparing the two games. They're very fucking different. You just compared them | ||
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doubleupgradeobbies!
Australia1187 Posts
On September 04 2013 04:09 traceurling wrote: What if brood war got new fancy graphics? The next generation seems to love those...Do you thi k that could help maybe not with a comeback but a definite increase in interest, popularity, and sponsorship of BW? Also a friend of mine said that bisu hasn't played enough televised matches to say that he sucks or is awesome in SCII... It's the sponsorship that's the question. Any sort of news on BW is basically going to increase interest and popularity at this stage with Jangbi coming back and maybe some others. But without the support of Kespa companies, sponsorship is tough. Foreign companies are unlikely to sponsor, so your basically stuck with non-Kespa Korean companies. Although if Kespa had the courage to do a 180 and sponsor BW again that would be amazing, if exceedingly unlikely. | ||
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Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
On September 04 2013 04:09 traceurling wrote: What if brood war got new fancy graphics? The next generation seems to love those...Do you thi k that could help maybe not with a comeback but a definite increase in interest, popularity, and sponsorship of BW? Frankly, graphics are like the 30th biggest problem with BW, in terms of getting people into it. It doesn't work on modern OSes without some dedicated hackery, hosting games requires admin access to your router and a bit more hackery, the bnet 1.0 interface is utter garbage by modern standards (I know it's popular to hate on Bnet 2, and for good reason, but BW lives in a glass house in this regard). And while people complain about the lack of community in bnet 2, every time I open ICCUP I'm greeted by a million spanish viagra ads in the default channel (and getting a game against another guy as bad as I am? Hah. And no one will play with you if you play random). Anyway, BW HD isn't happening, and even if it did, the BW community wouldn't actually accept it because there'd almost certainly be subtle differences between engines even if Blizz was actually trying to emulate all of BW's arcane wackiness. No, if BW wants to get more new people involved, and I think it's a real possibility, we as a community need to do the heavy lifting. I've always thought of the SC2 fanbase as BW fans waiting to happen, and that's more true now than ever. But we need to capitalize. We need community figures, a new version of Day9 to bring back the dailies, more "fun" tournaments, etc etc etc. I really do think we can get a semi-sizable foreign BW scene going again, if we only try. | ||
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rauk
United States2228 Posts
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On September 04 2013 04:50 Ribbon wrote: Frankly, graphics are like the 30th biggest problem with BW, in terms of getting people into it. It doesn't work on modern OSes without some dedicated hackery, hosting games requires admin access to your router and a bit more hackery, the bnet 1.0 interface is utter garbage by modern standards (I know it's popular to hate on Bnet 2, and for good reason, but BW lives in a glass house in this regard). And while people complain about the lack of community in bnet 2, every time I open ICCUP I'm greeted by a million spanish viagra ads in the default channel (and getting a game against another guy as bad as I am? Hah. And no one will play with you if you play random). Anyway, BW HD isn't happening, and even if it did, the BW community wouldn't actually accept it because there'd almost certainly be subtle differences between engines even if Blizz was actually trying to emulate all of BW's arcane wackiness. No, if BW wants to get more new people involved, and I think it's a real possibility, we as a community need to do the heavy lifting. I've always thought of the SC2 fanbase as BW fans waiting to happen, and that's more true now than ever. But we need to capitalize. We need community figures, a new version of Day9 to bring back the dailies, more "fun" tournaments, etc etc etc. I really do think we can get a semi-sizable foreign BW scene going again, if we only try. umm I've installed BW on XP, windows vista and windows 7, no issues running it so I'm not sure where you're having problems there. Hosting games is definitely an issue but with fish or the new Starserver, it should be less of a problem. Bnet 1.0 interface feels more alive than Bnet 2.0 but ya, doesn't hold up as well to some of today's interface. With iccup, you can host a game, you can play games for hours on end and get players easily but I see your point. Yes, I agree. SCII players can always play BW but we need to fix the hosting and server issues. I think there isn't much we can do aside from waiting for Starserver to be done since that should eliminate a lot of issues as well as possibly make a thread in the SCII section about Jangbi and co moving to SOSPA so that if they developed any fans from SCII, maybe those fans will watch SSL/SRT and decide to try BW. Aside from those two things, not much else you can do I'm afraid. | ||
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Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
On September 04 2013 05:36 BigFan wrote: umm I've installed BW on XP, windows vista and windows 7, no issues running it so I'm not sure where you're having problems there. I'm referring to the infamous color issue. I can fix it by killing Windows Explorer in task manager, but it's a common complaint. Hosting games is definitely an issue but with fish or the new Starserver, it should be less of a problem. How so? I'm not familiar with Fish or Starserver. What does it do differently from ICCUP? Bnet 1.0 interface feels more alive than Bnet 2.0 but ya, doesn't hold up as well to some of today's interface. With iccup, you can host a game, you can play games for hours on end and get players easily but I see your point. I couldn't host games until switching ISPs (and now my antihack won't work!), and it used to take me 15-20 minutes to find a game Aside from those two things, not much else you can do I'm afraid. I think there is. I think the BW community should be providing more content on its own. Tutorials, for one! Most BW tutorials/guides I've seen have been either the instruction manual or subtle BW > SC2 arguments. I'd love a series of video tutorials on basic builds, hotkey setups, etc etc etc. This is probably the most useful BW tutorial I've ever seen, and it's an SC2 tutorial on basic mechanics. We should have BW versions of things like this. | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On September 04 2013 06:03 Ribbon wrote: I'm referring to the infamous color issue. I can fix it by killing Windows Explorer in task manager, but it's a common complaint. I've never had color issues in a game, only in the MP screen before. It's not that bad if you consider how long ago the game was released. There is also a reg file that can help with the issue. I know that it fixed it for me and it's as easy as double clicking a file and agree to the changes. How so? I'm not familiar with Fish or Starserver. What does it do differently from ICCUP? Starserver is supposed to have auto matchmaking and auto port forwarding to eliminate those issues. With iccup, developer aren't interested in trying to fix some of its issues as they have said in the past. Fish, can't say much on it but I don't recall anyone mentioning having issues hosting on fish due to latency. I couldn't host games until switching ISPs (and now my antihack won't work!), and it used to take me 15-20 minutes to find a game I can get a game in under a minute at times lol. Maybe I'm just getting luck but most of the players are from EU etc... so I don't think it's timing. Port forwarding is quite easy to do as long as you have access to the router although I have heard cases of it not working and don't know why. I think there is. I think the BW community should be providing more content on its own. Tutorials, for one! Most BW tutorials/guides I've seen have been either the instruction manual or subtle BW > SC2 arguments. I'd love a series of video tutorials on basic builds, hotkey setups, etc etc etc. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUohpQKVf_A This is probably the most useful BW tutorial I've ever seen, and it's an SC2 tutorial on basic mechanics. We should have BW versions of things like this. Well, Bisudagger is talking about protoss strategies so there are tutorials, but probably not as frequent as SCII ones. That and I'm sure if you did for the past, you'll find a lot of tutorials made by Day[9] himself. | ||
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Ensue
United States144 Posts
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
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Stratos
Czech Republic6104 Posts
There are several ways of promoting that mindset and hopefully gaining some newcomers, which may not always grow to be the new stars of the community but can still be valuable in many other ways. The (iccup) attack is one of the best ways. Maybe someone can come up with other ideas? Would it be worth trying to seduce some well known SC2 community figures to take part in this? | ||
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c3rberUs
Japan11286 Posts
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On September 04 2013 14:39 Stratos wrote: Maybe instead of tutorials and scaring away everyone with how difficult this game is, we should emphasize the fact that it can still be a ton of fun even if you're a forever D noob who just likes to push some of those buttons every once in a while. There are several ways of promoting that mindset and hopefully gaining some newcomers, which may not always grow to be the new stars of the community but can still be valuable in many other ways. The (iccup) attack is one of the best ways. Maybe someone can come up with other ideas? Would it be worth trying to seduce some well known SC2 community figures to take part in this? honestly, I don't think the game is that difficult. I mean yes, 12 unit control groups, no smart casting, no MBS etc... all add to the mechanical requirements and you'll need a lot of practice to be able to keep up with a lot of stuff but even as a D noob, you can still just put your camera location or put a rax on a control group then just double click that to go to it and make units from all the buildings nearby etc... It doesn't feel that bizzare. I guess what I'm saying is that despite having to do a bit more work with BW compared to SCII for ex, the ability to play at even a D/D- level has been blown way out of proportion in terms of the difficulty level required. In other words, if a new player from SCII started playing BW, it'll take them probably 20-30 games or so to get used to clicking the control group or using the camera to make units from their production structures. In terms of what to do. I think that we as a community should first of all, find other players not on TL that play BW and at minimum, notify them of these forums. Where do we find these people? Maybe friends or friends of friends? Maybe you played on iccup with their player so you can always ask him if he knows TL and then mention what it is if he doesn't. Aside from that, we should try to draw in players from BW in terms of losing players that they were following like Jangbi for instance. Making a post in SCII saying that he started streaming on afreeca with a link and time might be a good idea(dunno if its fine with mods though but I can try it). We need to promote Starserver once it comes out, big time. Maybe a hype video that detailed it's features. It'll be one of the best ways to get SCII players trying BW since they don't have to deal with forwarding ports or finding players. Aside from that, I think something like iccup attack could help. I dunno if seducing well known SCII community figures will help though. If they are involved heavily in SCII, doubt they'll play BW just to help the community regardless of their background. | ||
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Stratos
Czech Republic6104 Posts
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On September 04 2013 15:59 Stratos wrote: Let's do all that after we enjoy Jangbi's stream @7pm KST :p lol lucky you, I'm going to sleep XD I'll make the SCII thread now though Edit: I hope I don't get blasted on the SCII thread I made XD | ||
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Champi
1422 Posts
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On September 04 2013 16:54 Champi wrote: FUCK! hey now, look at the upcoming events. You might be pleasantly surprised | ||
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Stratos
Czech Republic6104 Posts
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Wuster
1974 Posts
On September 04 2013 15:29 BigFan wrote: In terms of what to do. I think that we as a community should first of all, find other players not on TL that play BW and at minimum, notify them of these forums. Where do we find these people? Maybe friends or friends of friends? Maybe you played on iccup with their player so you can always ask him if he knows TL and then mention what it is if he doesn't. To play devil's advocate, isn't that what TL / ICCup was/is? The last bastion of people still playing BW outside of South Korea? I mean, I never heard of TL until the SC2 Beta, so I know there are people playing BW who don't know about TL (I played an SC - not even BW - lan once after work 5 years ago when someone brought in the CD, none of those knew abou TL). But I'm a little skeptical that there's a huge untapped audience waiting to revive the scene. Also: On September 04 2013 05:28 rauk wrote: the biggest draw of bw for most casuals were UMS. casuals are never going to play 1v1 seriously or even regularly, and let's face it, casuals make up your player base. you're never going to get them back because bw has to compete with AAA standalone UMS like dota and lol I saw a survey once of what people at PC Bangs were doing when playing BW, and 1v1 was not near the top of that list (it was mostly UMS's). Not trying to be doom and gloom, sounds like there's still plenty of community support for keeping competitive BW around for a long while, both for players and viewers. I just don't know how much more growth there is to be expected. | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On September 07 2013 08:37 Wuster wrote: To play devil's advocate, isn't that what TL / ICCup was/is? The last bastion of people still playing BW outside of South Korea? I mean, I never heard of TL until the SC2 Beta, so I know there are people playing BW who don't know about TL (I played an SC - not even BW - lan once after work 5 years ago when someone brought in the CD, none of those knew abou TL). But I'm a little skeptical that there's a huge untapped audience waiting to revive the scene. well, it is for the most part but like in your case, some players on iccup have never heard of TL. Personally, I heard about TL from another forum I was on and joined a bit later on. This was also during the inception of SCII so I wasn't here during the prime time of BW, only to its end. Yes, that's my point. Some people don't know about TL. We should try and get everyone on a forum, TL in this case. They'll always be people scattered around who play BW and don't know TL but at least we can get the majority. Don't know about the size of the audience either. I just think even 10 more people on TL is 10 more people to possibly watch SOSPA and help the scene grow. Maybe we'll get more people from those 10 people, you never know Also: I saw a survey once of what people at PC Bangs were doing when playing BW, and 1v1 was not near the top of that list (it was mostly UMS's). Not trying to be doom and gloom, sounds like there's still plenty of community support for keeping competitive BW around for a long while, both for players and viewers. I just don't know how much more growth there is to be expected. I'm sure UMS is at the top of all surveys but those same players also realize how difficult it is to pull off some of the stuff pros do which is why they might be interested in watching. Really, the best way to grow back the BW scene is to spread the word about it. Whether it's creating hype videos(some TL members are amazing at this), mentioning it to your friends and family, holding fun tourneys/team games/UMS games etc... basically, get as many community BW members involved and new blood will see the excitement, the emotions etc... and will want to try the game. | ||
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LightningStrike
United States14277 Posts
On September 03 2013 17:06 DinoToss wrote: ChRh vs Bisu, + Show Spoiler + GHOST reporting http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q76UMzo3oEc That entire game is worth watching imo and I glad that he going to play in sospa and Jangbi welcome back to your home | ||
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Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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