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Dundron2000
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Gamegene
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES51622 Posts
On September 01 2013 20:15 Gamegene wrote: Every zerg in SSL just shed a tear. just one? they are probably read for whats coming then. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5872 Posts
On September 01 2013 20:01 GGzerG wrote: AND SO IT BEGUN.......I think this will spark the rebirth of BW..... If only Blizzard wasn't so against BW, we could get an enhanced version of BW (with proper BNet functions, a combination of WC3 BNet and iCCup, plus some BNet 2.0 functions to top it off) - Brood War: Revival. :D | ||
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vndestiny
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endy
Switzerland8970 Posts
On September 01 2013 20:43 vndestiny wrote: Too many good Protoss, but so few good Zerg. Killer needs more ppl by his side to battle against the arrogant alien race and the pussy long range human .That's what we thought at first when we had Horang2, Tyson, Brave, Perfectman, and Movie as they were all solid A teamers before. But then only Movie really stood out. Look at the last SRTs/SSL... Even SRT 15, which had 5 protoss in the ro8, ended up with the 3 non-protoss players taking the first 3 places... | ||
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Rodiel3
France1158 Posts
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
On September 01 2013 20:42 maybenexttime wrote: If only Blizzard wasn't so against BW, we could get an enhanced version of BW (with proper BNet functions, a combination of WC3 BNet and iCCup, plus some BNet 2.0 functions to top it off) - Brood War: Revival. :D Lol just you wait until BW starts getting big again and they try to kill it off because SC2 in Korea will be even bigger of a flop by then lol. | ||
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theseraph
United States100 Posts
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Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
On September 01 2013 18:55 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote: The problem is a bunch of S-class guys in a single tournament does not a esport make. BW was going fine before SC2 came along, it may have been in decline, but it was still going. Now even if SC2 completely collapses, Kespa, and more importantly the large commercial entities involved in Kespa are unlikely to sponsor BW. Without sponsors we can't have a proleague (or similar team competition), without a proleague we can't have proper pro-teams. Without pro-teams we can't have salaried players, and without salaried players we can't have BW anywhere near what it used to be. Basically we can take back our players, but we can't take back the infrastructure, which ironically we built in the first place. Basically unless Kespa (or another group of large sponsors) wants to put money back in BW, even SC2 collapsing isn't going to do us that much good, we will get our players back, but thats about it. We'll just have to get new corporate overlords. I think it's really important to try to grow BW in the foreign scene, to make the sponsors like Red Bull and Razor who sponsor goddamn everything to throw some cash BW's way. | ||
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Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
On September 01 2013 22:49 theseraph wrote: i really hope bisu gives sc2 another shot before doing so. then i'd be unopposed to him stomping people out in SOSPA. He's been doing it for a year. He's out of shots to give. | ||
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figq
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cybertopo
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doubleupgradeobbies!
Australia1354 Posts
On September 01 2013 22:50 Ribbon wrote: We'll just have to get new corporate overlords. I think it's really important to try to grow BW in the foreign scene, to make the sponsors like Red Bull and Razor who sponsor goddamn everything to throw some cash BW's way. I wish that is what is going to happen, words could not adequately explain how much I wished in my heart of hearts that it could be. However, that said, call me a fatalist, I can't help but notice the odds are heavily stacked against us. SC2 had a few things going for it that BW didn't, kinda funnily enough SC2 didn't strictly need Kespa, but BW did. For one thing, SC2 was new, there still a sense (perhaps mistaken) among the community at the start that maybe foreign players would be competitive with the Korean scene. And for whatever reason, this was an important driving force behind the globalisation of SC2 esports. This is also why SC2 could get big foreign sponsors like Red Bull and Razor, who's primary market is outside of SK. Perhaps some strange manifestation of patriotism, why ever it is, it was important for there to be at least that illusion of the professional scene not being Koreacentric for there to be as large of a foreign fanbase as there was. For another, SC2 has the backing of Blizzard, they want the SC2 scene to be successful, since they still have an expansion to sell. BW has neither of these going for it. Blizzard's profits from BW sales are going to be negligible, they literally do not give a shit about BW so long as it's not interfering with SC2 sales. The question of competitiveness between the foreign scene compared to the Korean one is a question that is well and truly settled, we've had showmatches aplenty and a decade of WCGs to unequivocally disabuse us of that notion. The competitive professional scene is defined by the Korean one, while it has a loyal foreign fanbase, and it's simply not going to be profitable for foreign sponsors pick up Kespa's slack. Which takes me back to my original quote, it's a shame SC2/Blizzard pulled out that infrastructure from underneath us. Kespa may have been inept and corrupt, but it was important to us, far more so than it was/is to SC2. I mean it's great we get some of our players back, it's better than nothing. And I guess we can still pray for a miracle that Kespa or other large Korean companies champion the BW cause, but lets face it, the chances of BW getting back to anything like it's former glory is pretty grim. We can still be happy that the future of BW looks alot brighter than it did a week ago, and it pains me to say this, but lets not get too carried away. | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
And in terms of graphics, I think that as time prolongs, there will be enough enough in the programming community to render the pixel of the game into higher resolution with more details and clarity. Now I'm not exactly sure how we might get to that point as we speak but I'm majoring in the computer science and there are 150 students in my class with ambitions so there are definitely plans to make a name of ourselves in the near future. We can solve all of these obstacles that stands in our way by ourselves and I think that as long as we work hard to spread the scene around, share SOSPA leagues with friends, encourage other to try out the DRTL, we can shift the momentum around and have a second coming of the game. And for sponsors, please try to get ANYONE, no matter how minuscule you think their contribution will be, a penny gained is one step closer. Us attracting new players and spectators means higher status of sponsors which in turn incur in more people watching. The only problem is that someone have to start rolling the dice to commence the machine and the stars will align. EDIT: But our great "hypothetical" asset is Day[9], and Tastosis. They have many followers. If we are able to get them into BW restructuring, then our size will explodes. But too bad that they fall into victims of capitalism. Day[9], if you think that BW is so great and everything but without ever making a BW dailies after the release of SC2, that love is all moot and vapid. | ||
BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On September 01 2013 23:25 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote: I wish that is what is going to happen, words could not adequately explain how much I wished in my heart of hearts that it could be. However, that said, call me a fatalist, I can't help but notice the odds are heavily stacked against us. SC2 had a few things going for it that BW didn't, kinda funnily enough SC2 didn't strictly need Kespa, but BW did. For one thing, SC2 was new, there still a sense (perhaps mistaken) among the community at the start that maybe foreign players would be competitive with the Korean scene. And for whatever reason, this was an important driving force behind the globalisation of SC2 esports. This is also why SC2 could get big foreign sponsors like Red Bull and Razor, who's primary market is outside of SK. Perhaps some strange manifestation of patriotism, why ever it is, it was important for there to be at least that illusion of the professional scene not being Koreacentric for there to be as large of a foreign fanbase as there was. For another, SC2 has the backing of Blizzard, they want the SC2 scene to be successful, since they still have an expansion to sell. BW has neither of these going for it. Blizzard's profits from BW sales are going to be negligible, they literally do not give a shit about BW so long as it's not interfering with SC2 sales. The question of competitiveness between the foreign scene compared to the Korean one is a question that is well and truly settled, we've had showmatches aplenty and a decade of WCGs to unequivocally disabuse us of that notion. The competitive professional scene is defined by the Korean one, while it has a loyal foreign fanbase, and it's simply not going to be profitable for foreign sponsors pick up Kespa's slack. Which takes me back to my original quote, it's a shame SC2/Blizzard pulled out that infrastructure from underneath us. Kespa may have been inept and corrupt, but it was important to us, far more so than it was/is to SC2. I mean it's great we get some of our players back, it's better than nothing. And I guess we can still pray for a miracle that Kespa or other large Korean companies champion the BW cause, but lets face it, the chances of BW getting back to anything like it's former glory is pretty grim. We can still be happy that the future of BW looks alot brighter than it did a week ago, and it pains me to say this, but lets not get too carried away. I think you're dead on. Keep in mind that SSL/DRT is going strong atm and with Jangbi, possibly Jaehoon and likely Bisu eventually joining SOSPA, the number of viewers will increase. If it increases enough then Sonic can get better sponsors etc... and while BW will never the same as its past since PL rules have changed, teams disbanded etc... it can at least grow and become more stable. I guess what I'm saying is that maybe SSL will grow to OSL/MSL levels with decent prize pools so even without PL, we can get the same feeling with the awesome intros. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5872 Posts
On September 01 2013 23:06 figq wrote: Blizzard still have so much opportunity on their hands with BW, they probably don't even realize. BW is still their IP. They could renovate it, promote it all over Korea for a second big wave of BW esports, and require some reasonable % of that economy, for providing the rights. Everybody could win. Hell, if Blizzard would play that card well, they could easily win more money from BW in Korea than from SC2. Keep in mind they do invest a crapton of money in the development of SC2, and for BW they have everything ready and done, only requiring some addons, like matchmaking and stuff. This! The problem is Blizzard developers seem to have some serious ego issues and insecurities. That's why they have tried to undermine BW for several past years instead of winning Korea fair and square. | ||
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gen.Sun
United States539 Posts
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LRM)INF3cted
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