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You want Terrans and Zergs????
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Bisutopia19391 Posts
On September 02 2013 22:21 Xiphos wrote:You want Terrans and Zergs????
Holy shit. Skt releasing fantasy. That's so stupid. He's been so integral to skt success. Unless he's retiring SC2 I'm pissed at skt.
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On September 02 2013 04:49 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 04:33 maybenexttime wrote:On September 02 2013 03:19 BigFan wrote:On September 02 2013 00:58 maybenexttime wrote:On September 01 2013 23:06 figq wrote:
Blizzard still have so much opportunity on their hands with BW, they probably don't even realize. BW is still their IP. They could renovate it, promote it all over Korea for a second big wave of BW esports, and require some reasonable % of that economy, for providing the rights. Everybody could win. Hell, if Blizzard would play that card well, they could easily win more money from BW in Korea than from SC2. Keep in mind they do invest a crapton of money in the development of SC2, and for BW they have everything ready and done, only requiring some addons, like matchmaking and stuff. This! The problem is Blizzard developers seem to have some serious ego issues and insecurities. That's why they have tried to undermine BW for several past years instead of winning Korea fair and square. Why would Blizzard pump so much money into SCII to try and make it the leading esports in Korea then turn around and start pumping into BW and leave SCII in the dust? It'll never happen because it'll alienate any fans that they made with SCII likely losing them a large chunk of money and they are a business after all. Just imagine the community outcry(SCII section) if such a thing happened. They're already singing SCII is dying lol. On top of that, Blizzard should've just invested into BW in the first place but they would make more money prompting SCII since LoTV is still coming out in ~2 years time or so. Ya, they have some ego issues with refusing to have certain mechanics in SCII that should be normal imo like high ground advantage. I'm not talking about investing a lot of money into BW in Korea. The drive is already there, moreso than in case of SC2, afaik. Using WC3's BNet infrastructure/code (which seems to be compatible with BW) and possibly integrating iCCup etc. features (I don't think their creators would oppose that) does not take that much effort. And they wouldn't have to leave SC2 in the dust either - the games are different enough for them to get Blizzard's support. I'm pretty sure they could come up with a new model of monetizing BW that takes into account the PC Bang culture, UMS community, map making community, the sports culture and so on. I mean, if Valve can make a fortune by selling hats, why can't Blizzard do the same? Their fanbase used to be equally enthusiastic as Valve's. hmm thing is, by keeping both BW and SCII, you are splitting up the RTS esports market. I see your point though and even though it's valid, I highly doubt Blizzard will do it. To them, BW is old and SCII is its replacement that 'they' made which is why they have a large ego when it comes to SCII and flat out refuse some of the communities' suggestions. Yes, Blizzard's fanbase can be equally as enthusiastic but it doesn't seem like Blizzard will make the right moves to take advantage of that.
It's a myth. KeSPA's SC2 audience is closer to GOM's SC2 audience than to KeSPA's BW audience (just look at the seats, the portion of foreigners is quite similar). Many fans simply did not switch and you also had many people watch both games, so I don't think that splitting the RTS esports scene is much of an issue here.
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On September 03 2013 02:12 BisuDagger wrote:Holy shit. Skt releasing fantasy. That's so stupid. He's been so integral to skt success. Unless he's retiring SC2 I'm pissed at skt.
Not even Boxer can save Fantasy.
Or...
+ Show Spoiler +Maybe Boxer is the one who signed his release?!
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What the hell... Didn't see this coming = ( My Khan protoss brothers all leaving = (
Jangbi Brood War fighting!
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Bisutopia19391 Posts
On September 03 2013 02:30 forumtext wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2013 02:12 BisuDagger wrote:On September 02 2013 22:21 Xiphos wrote:You want Terrans and Zergs???? Holy shit. Skt releasing fantasy. That's so stupid. He's been so integral to skt success. Unless he's retiring SC2 I'm pissed at skt. Not even Boxer can save Fantasy. Or... + Show Spoiler +Maybe Boxer is the one who signed his release?!
I thought fantasy was good at sc2. Not sure he needed saving.
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On September 03 2013 03:40 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2013 02:30 forumtext wrote:On September 03 2013 02:12 BisuDagger wrote:On September 02 2013 22:21 Xiphos wrote:You want Terrans and Zergs???? Holy shit. Skt releasing fantasy. That's so stupid. He's been so integral to skt success. Unless he's retiring SC2 I'm pissed at skt. Not even Boxer can save Fantasy. Or... + Show Spoiler +Maybe Boxer is the one who signed his release?! I thought fantasy was good at sc2. Not sure he needed saving.
He's had some good games and shown some truly great play but ultimately he's just very inconsistent. The talent most definitely still shines through at times but it hasn't produced any notable results, certainly none fitting of his legacy.
Actually wait, I thought the article was talking about players going into that negotiation thingy? Won't T1 just hire him again? Why all this talk of retirement? :/
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Well if Fantasy really does decide to retire I sure hope he'll play in SOSPA events, cause at first when I saw that Jangbi retired I instantly reacted as if I was never going to be able to watch him play anymore and that made my so sad, even in the SC2 Proleague I woke up at like 4-5am everyday KHAN played mostly due to him, but now after the fact that he'll actually play in SOSPA events I just want more of my favorite players to join in. Leta & Fantasy please.
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On September 03 2013 02:12 BisuDagger wrote:Holy shit. Skt releasing fantasy. That's so stupid. He's been so integral to skt success. Unless he's retiring SC2 I'm pissed at skt.
Fantasy's free agent status does not mean that SKT has released him; it just means that the term of his contract is over. Jaedong went through the same process a few years ago while sitting at the top of KeSPA's ranking and he re-signed with oz. Maybe SKT doesn't want Fantasy anymore, but there is no way to make that determination based on his status as a free agent.
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These news seem so unreal.
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On September 03 2013 03:40 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2013 02:30 forumtext wrote:On September 03 2013 02:12 BisuDagger wrote:On September 02 2013 22:21 Xiphos wrote:You want Terrans and Zergs???? Holy shit. Skt releasing fantasy. That's so stupid. He's been so integral to skt success. Unless he's retiring SC2 I'm pissed at skt. Not even Boxer can save Fantasy. Or... + Show Spoiler +Maybe Boxer is the one who signed his release?! I thought fantasy was good at sc2. Not sure he needed saving.
IMO Fantasy never reach that stage in SC2 where he can be consider "good", he just had the mentality for it. Time and time again he has mentioned in interviews that SC2 is more suited to his play style, yet every time we were disappointed. Interestingly, Janbi also said the similar things in interviews before he quit.
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TLADT24920 Posts
On September 03 2013 02:17 maybenexttime wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 04:49 BigFan wrote:On September 02 2013 04:33 maybenexttime wrote:On September 02 2013 03:19 BigFan wrote:On September 02 2013 00:58 maybenexttime wrote:On September 01 2013 23:06 figq wrote:
Blizzard still have so much opportunity on their hands with BW, they probably don't even realize. BW is still their IP. They could renovate it, promote it all over Korea for a second big wave of BW esports, and require some reasonable % of that economy, for providing the rights. Everybody could win. Hell, if Blizzard would play that card well, they could easily win more money from BW in Korea than from SC2. Keep in mind they do invest a crapton of money in the development of SC2, and for BW they have everything ready and done, only requiring some addons, like matchmaking and stuff. This! The problem is Blizzard developers seem to have some serious ego issues and insecurities. That's why they have tried to undermine BW for several past years instead of winning Korea fair and square. Why would Blizzard pump so much money into SCII to try and make it the leading esports in Korea then turn around and start pumping into BW and leave SCII in the dust? It'll never happen because it'll alienate any fans that they made with SCII likely losing them a large chunk of money and they are a business after all. Just imagine the community outcry(SCII section) if such a thing happened. They're already singing SCII is dying lol. On top of that, Blizzard should've just invested into BW in the first place but they would make more money prompting SCII since LoTV is still coming out in ~2 years time or so. Ya, they have some ego issues with refusing to have certain mechanics in SCII that should be normal imo like high ground advantage. I'm not talking about investing a lot of money into BW in Korea. The drive is already there, moreso than in case of SC2, afaik. Using WC3's BNet infrastructure/code (which seems to be compatible with BW) and possibly integrating iCCup etc. features (I don't think their creators would oppose that) does not take that much effort. And they wouldn't have to leave SC2 in the dust either - the games are different enough for them to get Blizzard's support. I'm pretty sure they could come up with a new model of monetizing BW that takes into account the PC Bang culture, UMS community, map making community, the sports culture and so on. I mean, if Valve can make a fortune by selling hats, why can't Blizzard do the same? Their fanbase used to be equally enthusiastic as Valve's. hmm thing is, by keeping both BW and SCII, you are splitting up the RTS esports market. I see your point though and even though it's valid, I highly doubt Blizzard will do it. To them, BW is old and SCII is its replacement that 'they' made which is why they have a large ego when it comes to SCII and flat out refuse some of the communities' suggestions. Yes, Blizzard's fanbase can be equally as enthusiastic but it doesn't seem like Blizzard will make the right moves to take advantage of that. It's a myth. KeSPA's SC2 audience is closer to GOM's SC2 audience than to KeSPA's BW audience (just look at the seats, the portion of foreigners is quite similar). Many fans simply did not switch and you also had many people watch both games, so I don't think that splitting the RTS esports scene is much of an issue here.
hmm fair enough. It probably won't be much of an issue then.
On September 03 2013 03:40 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2013 02:30 forumtext wrote:On September 03 2013 02:12 BisuDagger wrote:On September 02 2013 22:21 Xiphos wrote:You want Terrans and Zergs???? Holy shit. Skt releasing fantasy. That's so stupid. He's been so integral to skt success. Unless he's retiring SC2 I'm pissed at skt. Not even Boxer can save Fantasy. Or... + Show Spoiler +Maybe Boxer is the one who signed his release?! I thought fantasy was good at sc2. Not sure he needed saving.
he was ok, definitely not what he was in BW though. He said SCII fit his playstyle yet he disappointed a lot. Not sure why, maybe he just doesn't enjoy it as much and that's understandable imo.
On September 02 2013 22:21 Xiphos wrote:You want Terrans and Zergs????
For anyone wondering, the names are Effort, TY, Fantasy, Shine and Skyhigh.
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Fantasy I would guess is one of those who can play well SC2 but just...um, sorry to say it... don't see the point.
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TLADT24920 Posts
On September 03 2013 08:01 figq wrote:
Fantasy I would guess is one of those who can play well SC2 but just...um, sorry to say it... don't see the point.
I still wonder why he's struggling though. He has the skills if he can play BW at such a high level so what's holding him? Lack of love for the game? Must be I think
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On September 03 2013 08:03 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2013 08:01 figq wrote:
Fantasy I would guess is one of those who can play well SC2 but just...um, sorry to say it... don't see the point. I still wonder why he's struggling though. He has the skills if he can play BW at such a high level so what's holding him? Lack of love for the game? Must be I think
More like the game isn't hard enough to clearly separate the good players from the bad
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On September 03 2013 09:47 white_horse wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2013 08:03 BigFan wrote:On September 03 2013 08:01 figq wrote:
Fantasy I would guess is one of those who can play well SC2 but just...um, sorry to say it... don't see the point. I still wonder why he's struggling though. He has the skills if he can play BW at such a high level so what's holding him? Lack of love for the game? Must be I think More like the game isn't hard enough to clearly separate the good players from the bad
yeah that's a very clear problem that everybody can observe who followed Sc2 a bit more. It has become slightly better with HotS, but i still think there isn enough room to show superior skill. Flash said this as well in an interview.
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A little sad of what this means for SC2 but I'm pretty giddy about the prospect of him playing some Brood War once again. He got godlike just as BW died out.
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On September 03 2013 04:01 Mindcrime wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2013 02:12 BisuDagger wrote:On September 02 2013 22:21 Xiphos wrote:You want Terrans and Zergs???? Holy shit. Skt releasing fantasy. That's so stupid. He's been so integral to skt success. Unless he's retiring SC2 I'm pissed at skt. Fantasy's free agent status does not mean that SKT has released him; it just means that the term of his contract is over.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=427820
But in the present state of the StarCraft 2 scene, the real question is why wouldn't INnoVation leave KeSPA?
Remember that time INnoVation won the Korean qualifier for IEM Shanghai, earned himself a fully paid trip to China, and then couldn't go because his team was playing Proleague that weekend? Revival ended up winning that tournament, taking home the first place prize of $10,000. Revival. I'm going to leave it to you to imagine what would have happened if INnoVation played Revival.
This articles about why KeSPA pros might want to switch to foreign teams, but it's interesting to think about it in the context of retiring, as well. Pretty much all the money in SC2 is put in a safe marked "Not for KeSPA players". It's probably a big part of why all the KeSPA pros are jumping ship and hardly any of the eSF pros are (remember, a lot of the older SC2 pros were BW pros or semi-pros, so BW remains a viable option for, say, MarineKing). Innovation (Bogus) may literally having been giving up more prize money to Soul than they were paying him.
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On September 03 2013 09:55 Cele wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2013 09:47 white_horse wrote:On September 03 2013 08:03 BigFan wrote:On September 03 2013 08:01 figq wrote:
Fantasy I would guess is one of those who can play well SC2 but just...um, sorry to say it... don't see the point. I still wonder why he's struggling though. He has the skills if he can play BW at such a high level so what's holding him? Lack of love for the game? Must be I think More like the game isn't hard enough to clearly separate the good players from the bad yeah that's a very clear problem that everybody can observe who followed Sc2 a bit more. It has become slightly better with HotS, but i still think there isn enough room to show superior skill. Flash said this as well in an interview.
hmm you both make a good point. Some things in SCII are quite rigid such as needing vikings for colossi otherwise you die lol. I think the smart AI and smart casting all resulted in a decrease in the skill required and most players play the same style so you can't separate players based on their different styles etc... Maybe Blizzard will get it right with LoTV or maybe they'll just add a couple more units, patch a bit then leave SCII be.
On September 03 2013 11:24 Ribbon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2013 04:01 Mindcrime wrote:On September 03 2013 02:12 BisuDagger wrote:On September 02 2013 22:21 Xiphos wrote:You want Terrans and Zergs???? Holy shit. Skt releasing fantasy. That's so stupid. He's been so integral to skt success. Unless he's retiring SC2 I'm pissed at skt. Fantasy's free agent status does not mean that SKT has released him; it just means that the term of his contract is over. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=427820Show nested quote +But in the present state of the StarCraft 2 scene, the real question is why wouldn't INnoVation leave KeSPA? Show nested quote +Remember that time INnoVation won the Korean qualifier for IEM Shanghai, earned himself a fully paid trip to China, and then couldn't go because his team was playing Proleague that weekend? Revival ended up winning that tournament, taking home the first place prize of $10,000. Revival. I'm going to leave it to you to imagine what would have happened if INnoVation played Revival. This articles about why KeSPA pros might want to switch to foreign teams, but it's interesting to think about it in the context of retiring, as well. Pretty much all the money in SC2 is put in a safe marked "Not for KeSPA players". It's probably a big part of why all the KeSPA pros are jumping ship and hardly any of the eSF pros are (remember, a lot of the older SC2 pros were BW pros or semi-pros, so BW remains a viable option for, say, MarineKing). Innovation (Bogus) may literally having been giving up more prize money to Soul than they were paying him.
That article is all truth. If you are on a KeSPA team and you're a really good player(think Jaedong for ex if he was still on team 8) then you are missing out on a lot of money and you get to keep most of it for yourself. On top of that, you travel a lot, meet lots of new people etc... Jaedong is definitely loving his time on EG and I'm sure he'll stay on for another year at least.
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