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Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
December 12 2012 13:27 GMT
#81
That's just so fucking sad. It's just not fair.

I really, really wish Sonic the best. I'd love him to kick these fuckers out and restart SSL the way it's supposed to be. I'm not even a BW veteran like most posters here, but i still love BW and seeing this shit is just terrible. Good luck Sonic, get SSL where it's supposed to be again! 화이팅! 소닉업! 힘내세요!
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
Clbull
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1439 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-12 13:50:22
December 12 2012 13:48 GMT
#82
SSL 화이팅!

No really, I feel sorry for Sonic and hope that he re-gains his passion and keeps sponsors happy along the way.

Personally, if I were him, I would ensure that a thorough investigation be done into this scandal, that the SSL be postponed until further notice and that anybody implicated in the scandal face criminal charges.

Sonic needs to take a no-tolerance policy towards matchfixing, find those involved, and expel them from any SOSPA events permanently. If he acts upon this swiftly and elimninates those involved to save the Brood War scene, I am sure that this will earn him more sponsor respect for the Brood War scene.
Plissken_2097
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Spain628 Posts
December 12 2012 14:34 GMT
#83
I can't even start to imagine how Sonic has to feel. So pissed off and scared to see the names on that list...
Did ALL sponsors back away for the SSL8?
Formerly Golondrin
Poetic[AoV]
Profile Joined November 2009
United Kingdom183 Posts
December 12 2012 14:41 GMT
#84
On December 12 2012 23:34 Golondrin wrote:
I can't even start to imagine how Sonic has to feel. So pissed off and scared to see the names on that list...
Did ALL sponsors back away for the SSL8?

what list?
endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
December 12 2012 14:49 GMT
#85
I can't believe it after how much it hurt the scene two years ago, it happens again. Horang2 just left sc2, I would love to watch him play in the SSL.
ॐ
AssyrianKing
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia2111 Posts
December 12 2012 14:51 GMT
#86
On December 12 2012 23:49 endy wrote:
I can't believe it after how much it hurt the scene two years ago, it happens again. Horang2 just left sc2, I would love to watch him play in the SSL.

Military Service bro :\
John 15:13
Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
December 12 2012 15:49 GMT
#87
So, it was one player that was match-fixing and the rest refused?

That's....that's maybe not so bad.

On December 12 2012 12:20 Kal_rA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2012 12:13 ArvickHero wrote:
dunno what ppl are saying about BW stagnating by the last real Proleague. If you mean like the top 4 players always dominating, yea I guess, but the game was still evolving and entertaining as hell.

Shirokaisen explains it pretty well (sponsors were hella concerned about image) couple posts above.

One of the main reasons why BW continued to evolve (even during the last pl) was cause of new kespa maps every season. Won't be getting any more of those so the meta game is bound to stagnate now (not to mention the end of properly televised proleague / OSL / MSL / teamhouses / insane practice hours from the best players on the planet)..


Well, my tournaments all have weird metagames by being absurd.

I want to have a map-making contest and use BW Forum maps, then one using Rose of Dream's new maps, and then I've always wanted to have a tournament on BW ports of SC2 maps, but all the good SC2 maps right now are just BW maps remade.
Stratos
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic6104 Posts
December 12 2012 15:53 GMT
#88
On December 13 2012 00:49 Ribbon wrote:
So, it was one player that was match-fixing and the rest refused?

That's....that's maybe not so bad.

apparently he gave testimony that other players in Sonic All Stars and other leagues could also have gotten involved
En Taro Violet
Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
December 12 2012 18:16 GMT
#89
On December 13 2012 00:53 Stratos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2012 00:49 Ribbon wrote:
So, it was one player that was match-fixing and the rest refused?

That's....that's maybe not so bad.

apparently he gave testimony that other players in Sonic All Stars and other leagues could also have gotten involved


I'm striving for willful ignorance, here
IntoTheEmo
Profile Joined February 2009
Singapore1169 Posts
December 12 2012 18:40 GMT
#90
Why do bad things happen to good people

SSL is a product of passion. If it dies like that, it's going to be a real shame. Wish Sonic the best of luck dealing with this. He shouldn't have to though.
MMOs kill APM. However Proleague plus BW Proscene music increase APM -> 100. 이제동 Fighting! Highest ranked Jaedong owner in FPL10 = clearly #1 Jaedong fan~! <- Keeping my sig from 2010
bonifaceviii
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2890 Posts
December 12 2012 18:40 GMT
#91
Fucking matchfixers, man
Stay a while and listen || http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=354018
Darksoldierr
Profile Joined May 2010
Hungary2012 Posts
December 12 2012 20:33 GMT
#92
Seriously, it feels like people want to kill BW off, i mean, how much money could have they promiss for this tournament, really man...
What do humans know of our pain? We have sung songs of lament since before your ancestors crawled on their bellies from the sea.
Epoxide
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Magic Woods9326 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-12 20:51:27
December 12 2012 20:51 GMT
#93
The last SSL gave me great hope. I haven't enjoyed games like that in a while, SSL is the last thing I want to vanish. Hang in there, Sonic fighting!
LiquipediaSouma: EU MM is just Russian Roulette. Literally.
bITt.mAN
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Switzerland3693 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-13 01:40:29
December 13 2012 00:40 GMT
#94
I need help from a mega gosu manga artist to make this kick-ass idea come to life:


Please help me guys. I had this epic crazy awesome story develop in my head, but my MS Paint skillz just.won't.cut.it. I had the idea of drawing a little story expressing how after the abandonment of BW over the newer game, Sonic, just the humble shoe-maker, revives the spark and gives people the spotlight they need to shine - he's the HERO of the scene!


Details are below, I'll try and keep the descriptions as minimal as possible so it's easy enough to read:
+ Show Spoiler [1. Old Glory, then Fall] +
Subject: BW before matchfixing, Sonic an inspired spectator. Then matchfixing taints things (a fall from grace). Popularity dwindles and BW players move away to different games, and abandon their hero legacy. Sonic surrounded by discarded armour, sad, alongside squires who no longer have a future.

Analogy:
BW = medieval mele tournament (think 'A Knights Tale'),
TBLS = champions of the arena with the sickest armour.
Sonic = shoe-maker who lives/works in the shop below the tournament grounds - is a massive fan in the crouds (of amateurs and trainees, denoted by a certain look that associate them with a team or something),
match-fixing = dark shady black demons who dangle bags of gold in front of some players but then are revealed. The players have hypnotized blank $$ stares in their eyes
scandal = scandal loss of support people abandon,
pro's moving on = teams and pros leave to the new more modern games; SC2 = laser-tag in an arena where everyone wears futuristic 3D glasses, genericMOAB = flying dragon shit like Avatar, army = army (; but with planes

At this point the old BW arena is slient, the stands are deserted, and sonic stands in the middle, surrounded by majestic armour discarded, bearing the most famous Korean names that even I would know. Ma Jae Yoon's piece has been desacrated and burned, but still leaves a big dent in the playing field.
Sonic picks up a helmet and looks at it dramatically, not unlike Hamlet+Skull, and dreams of past/future glory. The trainees and squires from before are with him dreaming of themselves in the armour fighting, but struck by the painful reality that it'll never happen. They look remorsefully towards the giant pulsating arena with flashing lights in the distance where all the heroes have gone.



EDIT: This needs to be epic. There is so much history in BW. So much of walking in the footsteps of your heroes/predecessors, being inspired by them, and being inspired to be and become them. There's also lots of repeated symbolism, imagery, and story-line.


Manga is the best medium I believe, it suits the narrative, culture, and aesthetic quite well IMO. And doesn't take too long to tell a story with (lol not like I have ANY idea how much of a time commitment it is).


+ Show Spoiler [Repeated themes] +
I want there to be certain threads that keep on cropping up throughout: dreams/aspirations/heros, arena, matchfixing temptation, inspired enpassioned spectators/audiences
A really cool thing to do is to show how everything that comes after, is an echo of the stuff in the beginning, but is also a development, a fulfillment if you will.


The squires training and dreaming to be BW stars then actually becoming them, but with different armour style and technology (e.g. extendable spears, symbolizing new play styles).
The origional casters, who sonic comes to emulate, then goes all Terratron and combines all their skills and passion into one epic casting broadcaster.
The armour of the old heroes, how people have memories and emotions with that, and how they eventually come to take it upon themselves.
The memory of past glory and inspiration, passed onto the next generation with their own heroes (the kid who comes to know Sonic as his boys, following the footsteps of his predecessor spectators as they watched the old guard).
Match-fixing. Seriously, the demons (think what flying death eaters from Harry Potter look like) is such visceral representation of wicked match fixing. Yeah I'm taking liberties in portraying it as corrupted as I want/can. Its the same demons with the same tricks, methods, and lies.
The arena. This could have a really epic aesthetic as some sort of towering building that everyone looks up to, so it's such a great contrast when it falls from grace into dis-use and dis-repair.



So the idea would be to incorporate a bit of planning before-hand, so if a character in 3. remembers something from 1. since you're creating them chronologically, you have to provide for that, and remember to present it in 1. so you can refer to it later. Stuff like the way people see the champions, casters, arena, matchfixing, and their armour, is all mirrored later so make sure to set it up so that it's clear how the story repeats itself over time.

I just think you can capture something beautiful with that relationship of 'in past, kid looks up to hero, later on, that kid becomes that hero'. Maybe the helmet Sonic keeps going back to .... is the helmet of HIS childhood hero, who inspired him when HE was a kid, who then went to the air-force, came back to bring his team to SC2, but left his [Emperor] armour. That. Is. Sick.
NOW DO IT PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE THANKS!
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bITt.mAN
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Switzerland3693 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-13 01:44:19
December 13 2012 01:08 GMT
#95
+ Show Spoiler [2. Sonic Sparks the Way] +
Subject: Our mega awesome Hero Sonic saddened by the corruption and demise of BW takes the helmet home, and is somehow inspired to use his cobelling hammer as a microphone, hosting and re-enacting a mini fight between two kids with wooden swords in the street. He gives them candy as prizes, but they get glory and their friends get excited.
Sonic sparks passion in the grass-roots community, and leads the way reviving the past glory, except now the battles aren't fought in the old arena but, but on the street

Analogy:
Helmet = symbol of former BW glory, sits on Sonic's desk and reminds him, he looks at it longingly. It has (T1) wings on it like a viking on it. It's actually meant to be Boxer's helmet, but that subplot isn't really revealed until the final hero stage.
Sonic's Shoe Shop = Sonic's Shoe Shop. He finishes his project of a badass pair of boots, that were meant for 'the next hero', looks at the helmet, puts it on, and engraves his own name on the awesome leather boots
Sonic's Hammer = uses it as a microphone, to cast a match between two street kids

Low-level street fights progress and become better attended, a few familiar faces of squires (whom we saw in the origional crouds) get sparked, they leave their current dull jobs, and take up the fight in the streets. They collectively create a virtual arena. While its just dust and wood, in their minds they are all back in the old arena with all the former glory. Sonic's great efforts make the people glad, they smile, and he even gets a big thumbs up and a <3 from the big TL.net hot air balloon passing by.
He converts the front of what used to be his lowly shop, into a really cool front and sign, reading something along the lines of 'Sonic Broadcast Jockey StarLeage"


+ Show Spoiler [3. The Demons Re-surge, Tempting] +
Subject: The evil match-fixing demons who screwed things up last time, re-awaken from their slumber. While they were busy making their way over to the new sports (MOAB and SC2), the catch glimpses of hope-joy-happiness-Esports rays, positively GLOWING from Sonic's shop, person, and street arena. They sieze in like the bad guys do while flying around in Harry Potter.
They tempt and torment the squires, offering them the dream of beating the former TBLS at their own game, and getting all the fame and $£$, while at the same time swapping their wooden swords for bendy fake rubber ones. They make them wear Anicent-Greek-Masks of happiness and laughter, while really they tie black twisted bonds around the wrists and ankles of their players, and puppet them to defeat.
Evil match-fixing demons are evil, and make bad things happen, and are the reason why we can't have nice things.

The rich business-man (represents prospective sponsor) gets scared away when he sees 'that look' in the eyes of the current corrupted players, which he recognizes from a flash-back of the faces of the original baddies, with the same blank $$ stare.


+ Show Spoiler [4. Sonic Beats Baddies, Saves the Day] +
Subject: basically we've now related the important things that have happened until this point. Now is the time we make the statement about what we want for the future. Let's encourage Sonic to be brave and have hope to fight the evil match-fixer-demons, and get the fans and players to support the purge of their disgusting taint!

The demons successfully puppet a great player to his downfall, and laugh as they drop him and leave him covered in their dark bonds, shamed and disgraced. Sonic again looks face-to-face with the helmet and sees the past repeating itself. He gets somewhat sad, discouraged, and angry, and contemplates (thought bubble) setting his store and the stadium on fire, to purge the demons.
But then he looks out the window and sees a little boy staring in. That kid wants Brood War, he's made a little drawing of him + Sonic, his hero. For the sake of the fans, because BW is a wonderful and beautiful game, because we can't let it die after so much history and so many memories. Sonic ... enters 'Hero Mode'. I don't know how it'd look, but basically he transforms into a super demon-fighting-badass. errr... he grabs his hammer and helmet and heads to the roof. At this point you can see the inscription on the back of the helmet "The Emperor".
He goes up onto the roof and smashes his BJ-hammer into the remains of the tainted armour, Sparks fly, demons are emitted, typical manga funtimes.

And there he stands, crowned in all his glory and mighty boots, Sonic the Broadcast Jockey. He is now wearing 'the helmet'. The hammer breaks , and out from it .... comes his destiny .... It transforms into a microphone. And then shit goes fucking crazy! Sonic sings into it and EVERYONE looks up, from the whole city. He stands at the top of the old arena and inspires the people.
He shoots rays of BroodWarEpicGoodness at the demons and they get their shit fucked up (you can tell from the swears I'm really passionate about their downfall, and his badassery).
He flies. Yeah. And people look up in the sky at the bird-plane, and see all their past heroes embodied. The street fighters climb to the top of the arena and pick up the assorted pieces of rusted and decayed armour, and start to fight, and everyone cheers, and good things happen, and the good guys win.

From their futuristic arenas, from the army, from the sky-planes, and hot air baloons, people's hearts are gladdened by Sonic's work. They look back towards him, admire him, smile, and are thankful for reviving their heart's love. Beautiful



This is SUCH AN AWESOME narrative Sonic totally could use the encouragement, inspiration and support it could provide. Serious man, be impacting with your artwork and message! Do good, do iiiit!
BW4LYF . . . . . . PM me, I LOVE PMs. . . . . . Long live "NaDa's Body" . . . . . . Fantasy | Bisu/Best | Jaedong . . . . .
miercat
Profile Joined November 2011
394 Posts
December 13 2012 01:47 GMT
#96
Sonic, please, do not stop the SSL.
Gatsbizzle
Profile Joined March 2010
United States132 Posts
December 13 2012 02:56 GMT
#97
Sonic is the hero that Brood War needs AND deserves. Sonic HWAITING.
I joined TeamLiquid for TSL2 but I stayed for Nada's Body.
Stratos
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic6104 Posts
December 13 2012 07:24 GMT
#98
On December 13 2012 10:08 bITt.mAN wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [2. Sonic Sparks the Way] +
Subject: Our mega awesome Hero Sonic saddened by the corruption and demise of BW takes the helmet home, and is somehow inspired to use his cobelling hammer as a microphone, hosting and re-enacting a mini fight between two kids with wooden swords in the street. He gives them candy as prizes, but they get glory and their friends get excited.
Sonic sparks passion in the grass-roots community, and leads the way reviving the past glory, except now the battles aren't fought in the old arena but, but on the street

Analogy:
Helmet = symbol of former BW glory, sits on Sonic's desk and reminds him, he looks at it longingly. It has (T1) wings on it like a viking on it. It's actually meant to be Boxer's helmet, but that subplot isn't really revealed until the final hero stage.
Sonic's Shoe Shop = Sonic's Shoe Shop. He finishes his project of a badass pair of boots, that were meant for 'the next hero', looks at the helmet, puts it on, and engraves his own name on the awesome leather boots
Sonic's Hammer = uses it as a microphone, to cast a match between two street kids

Low-level street fights progress and become better attended, a few familiar faces of squires (whom we saw in the origional crouds) get sparked, they leave their current dull jobs, and take up the fight in the streets. They collectively create a virtual arena. While its just dust and wood, in their minds they are all back in the old arena with all the former glory. Sonic's great efforts make the people glad, they smile, and he even gets a big thumbs up and a <3 from the big TL.net hot air balloon passing by.
He converts the front of what used to be his lowly shop, into a really cool front and sign, reading something along the lines of 'Sonic Broadcast Jockey StarLeage"


+ Show Spoiler [3. The Demons Re-surge, Tempting] +
Subject: The evil match-fixing demons who screwed things up last time, re-awaken from their slumber. While they were busy making their way over to the new sports (MOAB and SC2), the catch glimpses of hope-joy-happiness-Esports rays, positively GLOWING from Sonic's shop, person, and street arena. They sieze in like the bad guys do while flying around in Harry Potter.
They tempt and torment the squires, offering them the dream of beating the former TBLS at their own game, and getting all the fame and $£$, while at the same time swapping their wooden swords for bendy fake rubber ones. They make them wear Anicent-Greek-Masks of happiness and laughter, while really they tie black twisted bonds around the wrists and ankles of their players, and puppet them to defeat.
Evil match-fixing demons are evil, and make bad things happen, and are the reason why we can't have nice things.

The rich business-man (represents prospective sponsor) gets scared away when he sees 'that look' in the eyes of the current corrupted players, which he recognizes from a flash-back of the faces of the original baddies, with the same blank $$ stare.


+ Show Spoiler [4. Sonic Beats Baddies, Saves the Day] +
Subject: basically we've now related the important things that have happened until this point. Now is the time we make the statement about what we want for the future. Let's encourage Sonic to be brave and have hope to fight the evil match-fixer-demons, and get the fans and players to support the purge of their disgusting taint!

The demons successfully puppet a great player to his downfall, and laugh as they drop him and leave him covered in their dark bonds, shamed and disgraced. Sonic again looks face-to-face with the helmet and sees the past repeating itself. He gets somewhat sad, discouraged, and angry, and contemplates (thought bubble) setting his store and the stadium on fire, to purge the demons.
But then he looks out the window and sees a little boy staring in. That kid wants Brood War, he's made a little drawing of him + Sonic, his hero. For the sake of the fans, because BW is a wonderful and beautiful game, because we can't let it die after so much history and so many memories. Sonic ... enters 'Hero Mode'. I don't know how it'd look, but basically he transforms into a super demon-fighting-badass. errr... he grabs his hammer and helmet and heads to the roof. At this point you can see the inscription on the back of the helmet "The Emperor".
He goes up onto the roof and smashes his BJ-hammer into the remains of the tainted armour, Sparks fly, demons are emitted, typical manga funtimes.

And there he stands, crowned in all his glory and mighty boots, Sonic the Broadcast Jockey. He is now wearing 'the helmet'. The hammer breaks , and out from it .... comes his destiny .... It transforms into a microphone. And then shit goes fucking crazy! Sonic sings into it and EVERYONE looks up, from the whole city. He stands at the top of the old arena and inspires the people.
He shoots rays of BroodWarEpicGoodness at the demons and they get their shit fucked up (you can tell from the swears I'm really passionate about their downfall, and his badassery).
He flies. Yeah. And people look up in the sky at the bird-plane, and see all their past heroes embodied. The street fighters climb to the top of the arena and pick up the assorted pieces of rusted and decayed armour, and start to fight, and everyone cheers, and good things happen, and the good guys win.

From their futuristic arenas, from the army, from the sky-planes, and hot air baloons, people's hearts are gladdened by Sonic's work. They look back towards him, admire him, smile, and are thankful for reviving their heart's love. Beautiful



This is SUCH AN AWESOME narrative Sonic totally could use the encouragement, inspiration and support it could provide. Serious man, be impacting with your artwork and message! Do good, do iiiit!

That was truly awesome just to read :O I doubt we'll be lucky enough to find a manga artist to do this, but something like this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=251856 would do as well imo. I think it would actually be kinda nice to see it made in a similar style, and it shouldn't be that time consuming? I'd try contacting Kiett maybe, she's done a ton of awesome artwork and I doubt she'd have any trouble with this. The question is if she'd be interested as I don't recall seeing her in anything SSL related, but worth a try?
Maybe make a blog or a thread asking for help if that fails? I'm afraid it'll go quite unnoticed here. I'll add it to OP but most people have read the OP already anyway, so..
En Taro Violet
Antisocialmunky
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5912 Posts
December 13 2012 09:30 GMT
#99
No updates today?
[゚n゚] SSSSssssssSSsss ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Marine/Raven Guide:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=163605
Stratos
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic6104 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-13 10:14:48
December 13 2012 10:07 GMT
#100
On December 13 2012 18:30 Antisocialmunky wrote:
No updates today?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=387575&currentpage=4#64
The latest update regarding the betting that I know of, now in OP.

And untranslated yet http://live.afreeca.com:8080/app/read_bbs.cgi?szBjId=sogoodtt&nStationNo=55614&nBbsNo=8979457&szSkin=&nTitleNo=53721074
I think it says there's a broadcast coming today 9PM KST, and I believe it says Larva will do something with Sonic... (임홍규 선수가 저 조종합니다.) Might mean Larva will influence Sonic's play (by telling him what to do or whatever.. also, if I'm right that might explain why he's calling it Avatar broadcast?). Hopefully we'll see.
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