On December 22 2012 06:37 rotinegg wrote:
Just to elaborate, Lee Seung Won and Kim Carrier will be casting the entirety of the SSL, starting from the Ro32. This is awesome.
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Just to elaborate, Lee Seung Won and Kim Carrier will be casting the entirety of the SSL, starting from the Ro32. This is awesome.
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Hi everybody, this is Sonic. It's been a while but I'm gonna put on my serious hat once again and post an update. There were those of you who told me it was the right decision to quit the SSL, but others told me to think it over again, worried for me, and gave me some sound advice. Some even offered to lend me help if I was afraid of doing it alone. To reiterate, Shinbal farm [his company] employees and afreeca helped me put on the finals of SSL7, but that was purely because our employees were too nice to say no and afreeca was just thankful for brining in more viewers. The burden of tying up loose ends and making it actually happen always fell on me, and me alone. Of course, that also meant I didn't have to share the sense of accomplishment I got, but I had to weather a lot of harsh feedback alone at times.
On that momentous day, a certain report made me feel like somebody just lowered a hammer on the back of my head. Although I may come off as a blabbering fool who doesn't care about anything and gets into fights with his viewers, deep inside I am very sensitive. Oftentimes after I finish my stream, I get hurt by some nasty comments left by the viewers, and then get uplifted again by somebody else's comment saying it was fun to watch. Watching me go through the comments after my casts will make me seem like a psychopath. To be honest, I was afraid. What if this had happened not during some all-star event match, but the actual SSL8? What if I really did become the last hope of reviving BW and carrying its legacy, and something like this happened...? I didn't know what to do.
At first, all I could think was I'm gonna find this asshole and prosecute him, but running a business [he is the CEO of Shinbal Farm] while pursuing litigation posed a serious burden on me, and I came to the conclusion that I wouldn't be able to manage both my business and SSL with all of its problems and baggage. After I wrote that SSL would no longer continue, I met a lot of people who told me that I had made a rash decision, that match fixing can be prevented through taking precautionary measures. Some told me that I should have spoken out if I was that stressed out. Some offered me help in the form of legal services, and some whom I never would have thought possible to work with offered to help me run the league. They also gave me some constructive criticism that was much needed. I spent about two weeks wandering around, sometimes getting yelled at by my seniors, and had a lot of time to think things through.
I am embarrassed that I am going back on my words, and am deeply sorry for the fans of BW and innocent players who were held to the public's scrutiny after the scandal, but I want to start again. I won't be able to do everything myself, but the areas I lack, if the players and fans can correct me, sometimes yell at me for being an imbecile, and support me, I want to start with SSL8 once again.
The good news I mentioned earlier is: Kim Carrier and Lee Seung Won [best commentator ever, ex-MSL caster] have agreed to help me out whenever help is needed. They will help me commentate starting from the Ro32. It will be me casting, and Kim Carrier and Lee Seung Won commentating. Even if you hate my casting, you can't deny that you want to see some BW action narrated by Kim Carrier and Lee Seung Won.
If you can please forgive me for my rash decision, I am prepared to start this up once again. I cannot apologize enough for all the fans I disappointed. Also, I want to thank those of you who offered me help, or even yelled at me for being dumb. I want to give a special thanks to Kim Carrier and Lee Seung Won, who gave me courage and advice. We will be setting strict rules regarding illegal betting, and I will do my best to make a problem-free stream. All leagues and event matches will also resume at this time. I won't disappoint you fans; I will do my very best to prepare for SSL8. I will start from scratch and look for sponsors. Also although I am still quite terrible at it, I've been trying to put on different creative content on my stream. I am trying to find ways to make my casts more entertaining, so I hope you enjoy. I'll always be putting in a 120% effort to be a better Sonic. Please cheer for me.
Everybody who left me thousands of comments, emails and messages through Teamliquid and afreeca, I'm so very sorry. I've rewatched just the finals of SSL7 dozens of times so I can gain motivation to go forward, so please cheer for me.
On that momentous day, a certain report made me feel like somebody just lowered a hammer on the back of my head. Although I may come off as a blabbering fool who doesn't care about anything and gets into fights with his viewers, deep inside I am very sensitive. Oftentimes after I finish my stream, I get hurt by some nasty comments left by the viewers, and then get uplifted again by somebody else's comment saying it was fun to watch. Watching me go through the comments after my casts will make me seem like a psychopath. To be honest, I was afraid. What if this had happened not during some all-star event match, but the actual SSL8? What if I really did become the last hope of reviving BW and carrying its legacy, and something like this happened...? I didn't know what to do.
At first, all I could think was I'm gonna find this asshole and prosecute him, but running a business [he is the CEO of Shinbal Farm] while pursuing litigation posed a serious burden on me, and I came to the conclusion that I wouldn't be able to manage both my business and SSL with all of its problems and baggage. After I wrote that SSL would no longer continue, I met a lot of people who told me that I had made a rash decision, that match fixing can be prevented through taking precautionary measures. Some told me that I should have spoken out if I was that stressed out. Some offered me help in the form of legal services, and some whom I never would have thought possible to work with offered to help me run the league. They also gave me some constructive criticism that was much needed. I spent about two weeks wandering around, sometimes getting yelled at by my seniors, and had a lot of time to think things through.
I am embarrassed that I am going back on my words, and am deeply sorry for the fans of BW and innocent players who were held to the public's scrutiny after the scandal, but I want to start again. I won't be able to do everything myself, but the areas I lack, if the players and fans can correct me, sometimes yell at me for being an imbecile, and support me, I want to start with SSL8 once again.
The good news I mentioned earlier is: Kim Carrier and Lee Seung Won [best commentator ever, ex-MSL caster] have agreed to help me out whenever help is needed. They will help me commentate starting from the Ro32. It will be me casting, and Kim Carrier and Lee Seung Won commentating. Even if you hate my casting, you can't deny that you want to see some BW action narrated by Kim Carrier and Lee Seung Won.
If you can please forgive me for my rash decision, I am prepared to start this up once again. I cannot apologize enough for all the fans I disappointed. Also, I want to thank those of you who offered me help, or even yelled at me for being dumb. I want to give a special thanks to Kim Carrier and Lee Seung Won, who gave me courage and advice. We will be setting strict rules regarding illegal betting, and I will do my best to make a problem-free stream. All leagues and event matches will also resume at this time. I won't disappoint you fans; I will do my very best to prepare for SSL8. I will start from scratch and look for sponsors. Also although I am still quite terrible at it, I've been trying to put on different creative content on my stream. I am trying to find ways to make my casts more entertaining, so I hope you enjoy. I'll always be putting in a 120% effort to be a better Sonic. Please cheer for me.
Everybody who left me thousands of comments, emails and messages through Teamliquid and afreeca, I'm so very sorry. I've rewatched just the finals of SSL7 dozens of times so I can gain motivation to go forward, so please cheer for me.
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He used to be a caster on MBCGame before this happened. Many agreed that he was the most knowledgeable and overall 'best' caster, OGN and MBC combined, earning him the nickname of 'casting bonjwa' or 'Seung Won-jwa'
An old Fomos interview with Lee Seung Won, translated by OpticalShot.
Video of him predicting KT vs T8 proleague match
Lee Seung Won saying "Stats' best chance is to rip out his mouse plug right now, because he has absolutely no chance now, there is nothing he can do to win this game!"
An old Fomos interview with Lee Seung Won, translated by OpticalShot.
Video of him predicting KT vs T8 proleague match
Lee Seung Won saying "Stats' best chance is to rip out his mouse plug right now, because he has absolutely no chance now, there is nothing he can do to win this game!"
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In case you've been living in blissful ignorance...
Don't be surprised if number of players are banned within next couple of days. Also, don't be surprised if there aren't any more SSL or SOSPA games. -Sonic
Last update:
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To send a message to Sonic with the rest of TL, go visit this new thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=388087
Don't be surprised if number of players are banned within next couple of days. Also, don't be surprised if there aren't any more SSL or SOSPA games. -Sonic
Last update:
On December 15 2012 05:01 white_horse wrote:
Which says that he concludes match-fixing is deeply rooted into the system. It's nearly impossible for one good man like him to fight and win against something so big.
Which says that he concludes match-fixing is deeply rooted into the system. It's nearly impossible for one good man like him to fight and win against something so big.
On December 15 2012 04:09 rotinegg wrote:
The last line sums it all up: Sonic broadcasting will no longer be running any Starleagues or leagues. ;_;
The last line sums it all up: Sonic broadcasting will no longer be running any Starleagues or leagues. ;_;
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On December 15 2012 13:20 Hesmyrr wrote:
Hello this is Sonic.
I can't tell how much hours I sat in the table writing and deleting this announcement.
First I have to apologize.
First regarding the investigation,
according to info from them the cell phone number I got wasn't made using real name and without real evidence there seem to be little that cn be done.
While investigating this problem myself I heard lot of stories:
"Sonic, you can't catch them. There's no way those who got the money will report themselves and no broker goes around saying he is broker. Everyone - hyung (T/N = someone) you know, friend, cousins - could become one.. how naive..." etc.
Someone was curious why I made this public which killed my public income and someone is saying why I am doing such things when I could have made millions by joining forces with Toto agency myself.
Naturally I like earning money... but I don't want to betray someone just so I could eat twenty thousand won lunch when five thousand won ($4.65) food is plenty enough. So I wanted to continue investigating and solve this problem no matter how much stories I hear.
What I felt when doing this is that broker have quite a deep root. I am not doing this league behind protection of big orgnization and the players are uncontrated individuals, so brokers are far more easier to approach.
After growing league this much, and having gotten so much opportunity with sponsorships even this moment... such opportunities even being given to the players who adamantly stayed with BW... I wondered if I should continue with shadow of such fundemental problem.
I felt bare... and knew what to do and conclusion I drew after agonizing thinking was that I as individual can do nothing.
No matter how good opportunity is, no matter becomes of carrier I built up, I am convinced it is ridiculous for me to continue the league for my profit or sake of preservation.
I think those who love BW would eventully be disappointed more by burying this situation.
I do not own broadcast which have twenty or something official staff.
I admit common criticism such as "you suck at commentary/observing"; this is broadcast where commentary, observer, music, recording, feedback control, announcement, and schedule gets all done by me.
While I want to become someone who can satisfy everyone it's reality such thing is difficult.
The fact that I make this announcement is in no way saying there is those who play BW, BJ (TN: word for those who stream in Afreeca).
I hope no one who get this news choose to blame and be skeptical of Brood War and players itself.
This strlegue was closed because I realized that it is impossible for me to stop future possible matchfixing, and that me as individual is impossible to grow the league any further.
It was not easy. All time, effort, and money spent to reach this sitution... even when everyone called me crazy I invested all this truly as crazy person. So I am saying like crazy individual... I am abandoning everything I began even before becoming adult. I am not telling everyone to support me... but I hope nobody tries to make me feel more bad... please...
I don't know what to broadcast now, but I'll begin from very beginning.
Cooling off my head for a week then visitng you with new content.
I sincerely apologize for fans who truly love BW.
Sonic league will disappear, but BJ Sonic will not go away and disappoint you more.
8th or 9th... it is no longer possible, and SSL I began will be forgotten, but support from everyone will forever remain in my heart.
There will be no BW content anymore. Rarely when I want to play BW, I'll stream my personal playing, entertainig you despite I might get some criticisms.
I cried a lot after pulling curtains on Afreeca BW content I started with Sonic Starlecture. It feels like I, who can't drink, drunk enough to barf for entire week.
Can't think anything. Don't want to think anything nor meet someone, think about someone, do anything.
I once again apologize to everyone I met thorugh starleague.
I adamantly stuck with BW content from age of 19 to 25. I am afraid about starting afresh, giving up all the sponsors I had, but I'll approach this with a mindset I had when I was new.
While nothing may happen for awhile, justice will triumph and everything will eventually be revealed...
Thanks for everyone who filled cold lecture hall at the last 7th SSL finals.
Sorry for not having flamboyant and dramatic end.
From Monday I'll come back with entertaining broadcast.. Thanks.
Sonic broadcast will no longer make any starleague nor any leagues.
Hello this is Sonic.
I can't tell how much hours I sat in the table writing and deleting this announcement.
First I have to apologize.
First regarding the investigation,
according to info from them the cell phone number I got wasn't made using real name and without real evidence there seem to be little that cn be done.
While investigating this problem myself I heard lot of stories:
"Sonic, you can't catch them. There's no way those who got the money will report themselves and no broker goes around saying he is broker. Everyone - hyung (T/N = someone) you know, friend, cousins - could become one.. how naive..." etc.
Someone was curious why I made this public which killed my public income and someone is saying why I am doing such things when I could have made millions by joining forces with Toto agency myself.
Naturally I like earning money... but I don't want to betray someone just so I could eat twenty thousand won lunch when five thousand won ($4.65) food is plenty enough. So I wanted to continue investigating and solve this problem no matter how much stories I hear.
What I felt when doing this is that broker have quite a deep root. I am not doing this league behind protection of big orgnization and the players are uncontrated individuals, so brokers are far more easier to approach.
After growing league this much, and having gotten so much opportunity with sponsorships even this moment... such opportunities even being given to the players who adamantly stayed with BW... I wondered if I should continue with shadow of such fundemental problem.
I felt bare... and knew what to do and conclusion I drew after agonizing thinking was that I as individual can do nothing.
No matter how good opportunity is, no matter becomes of carrier I built up, I am convinced it is ridiculous for me to continue the league for my profit or sake of preservation.
I think those who love BW would eventully be disappointed more by burying this situation.
I do not own broadcast which have twenty or something official staff.
I admit common criticism such as "you suck at commentary/observing"; this is broadcast where commentary, observer, music, recording, feedback control, announcement, and schedule gets all done by me.
While I want to become someone who can satisfy everyone it's reality such thing is difficult.
The fact that I make this announcement is in no way saying there is those who play BW, BJ (TN: word for those who stream in Afreeca).
I hope no one who get this news choose to blame and be skeptical of Brood War and players itself.
This strlegue was closed because I realized that it is impossible for me to stop future possible matchfixing, and that me as individual is impossible to grow the league any further.
It was not easy. All time, effort, and money spent to reach this sitution... even when everyone called me crazy I invested all this truly as crazy person. So I am saying like crazy individual... I am abandoning everything I began even before becoming adult. I am not telling everyone to support me... but I hope nobody tries to make me feel more bad... please...
I don't know what to broadcast now, but I'll begin from very beginning.
Cooling off my head for a week then visitng you with new content.
I sincerely apologize for fans who truly love BW.
Sonic league will disappear, but BJ Sonic will not go away and disappoint you more.
8th or 9th... it is no longer possible, and SSL I began will be forgotten, but support from everyone will forever remain in my heart.
There will be no BW content anymore. Rarely when I want to play BW, I'll stream my personal playing, entertainig you despite I might get some criticisms.
I cried a lot after pulling curtains on Afreeca BW content I started with Sonic Starlecture. It feels like I, who can't drink, drunk enough to barf for entire week.
Can't think anything. Don't want to think anything nor meet someone, think about someone, do anything.
I once again apologize to everyone I met thorugh starleague.
I adamantly stuck with BW content from age of 19 to 25. I am afraid about starting afresh, giving up all the sponsors I had, but I'll approach this with a mindset I had when I was new.
While nothing may happen for awhile, justice will triumph and everything will eventually be revealed...
Thanks for everyone who filled cold lecture hall at the last 7th SSL finals.
Sorry for not having flamboyant and dramatic end.
From Monday I'll come back with entertaining broadcast.. Thanks.
Sonic broadcast will no longer make any starleague nor any leagues.
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On December 11 2012 01:45 supernovamaniac wrote:
Sonic: While broadcasting the matches today, I've gotten a tip from a reliable source that some players might have been contacted and/or related to illegal betting websites, and I did not think that it was right to continue with the matches without figuring out what was actually going on, especially for those who love BroodWar and players who are innocent. That's why I gave out immediate walkovers and ended the broadcast. Please do not assume that the players who played in the last match, as well as other players in the scene, and I'll investigate more on this issue.
I've done BW broadcasting for past 6 years, and now I feel like everything's collapsing around me. Right now, I don't have the time and will investigate more into this issue when I can.
BW is the game that we all worked for.
After receiving the BJ award on Tuesday, I'll find out what's going on and post another notice.
Once again, I'm very sorry.
I want to apologize again because this issue might have gotten too large, possibly out of my hands.
Personal note: Some things never change.
Sonic: While broadcasting the matches today, I've gotten a tip from a reliable source that some players might have been contacted and/or related to illegal betting websites, and I did not think that it was right to continue with the matches without figuring out what was actually going on, especially for those who love BroodWar and players who are innocent. That's why I gave out immediate walkovers and ended the broadcast. Please do not assume that the players who played in the last match, as well as other players in the scene, and I'll investigate more on this issue.
I've done BW broadcasting for past 6 years, and now I feel like everything's collapsing around me. Right now, I don't have the time and will investigate more into this issue when I can.
BW is the game that we all worked for.
After receiving the BJ award on Tuesday, I'll find out what's going on and post another notice.
Once again, I'm very sorry.
I want to apologize again because this issue might have gotten too large, possibly out of my hands.
Personal note: Some things never change.
On December 11 2012 06:17 supernovamaniac wrote:
NOTICE: From his fb post, summarizing:
Don't be surprised if number of players are banned within next couple of days. Also, don't be surprised if there aren't any more SSL or SOSPA games.
NOTICE: From his fb post, summarizing:
Don't be surprised if number of players are banned within next couple of days. Also, don't be surprised if there aren't any more SSL or SOSPA games.
On December 12 2012 07:08 ArvickHero wrote:
Probably by tomorrow we'll know who the matchfixers are, and all the details.
He's not mad, but rather very saddened. He understands how strong temptation is for someone who has no job and only gets money from streaming ..
Sonic has said he'll be doing SSL8, but probably without any sponsor support and possibly his last SC broadcast ever.
Probably by tomorrow we'll know who the matchfixers are, and all the details.
He's not mad, but rather very saddened. He understands how strong temptation is for someone who has no job and only gets money from streaming ..
Sonic has said he'll be doing SSL8, but probably without any sponsor support and possibly his last SC broadcast ever.
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On December 12 2012 15:29 Hesmyrr wrote:
<Kimoleon> got info on monday during nto clan match, there was a connection with a sasultoto (company name I think) broker and confirmed it
<Kimoleon> many players and the leader refused the offer of matchfixing, but one player (don't tell whether he was from NTO clan or not) has confessed to his match fixing, through that player have proof (apparently he gave testimony that other players in Sonic All Stars and other leagues could also have gotten involved) that others in sonic all stars may have match fixed
<Kimoleon> but on the bright side through this event investigation we found numerous players, clan masters, even my broadcasting managers have confirmed refusing these brokers. (It seems that there is no evidence tying NTO Clan with the match fixing)
<Kimoleon> though many confirmations, we found out information on who tried to recruit the NTO clan, that certain gamer was threatened that they would release his name on the matchfixing list, currently linked to this event the truth has been spread from my police investigation request
<Kimoleon> even if the past giant kespa organization could not stop the contact between these brokers and players, how could I BJ Sonic alone prevent hundreds of ppl, bj, etc them? it's so draining and exhausting..
<Kimoleon> these last two days, I've fallen into a state of dejection and helplessness.
<Kimoleon> I was told I could not solve this on my own, the best case is with investigate these brokers who were the ones running the matchfixing, with the checkcall records and the owner of these numbers will be under investigation.
<Kimoleon> this might be tough for people who are playing starcraft, but I have to say this
<Kimoleon> (long list of criminal offenses they can be charged with, interfereance with business, gambling, cheating etc)
cheating etc)
<Kimoleon> when a broker approaches you and says, "if it's just two of us its ok you know?", "after a meal some drinks, I'll give you some cash, they can't catch us. no proof", "we'll take it to our graves" will the be appraoch of these people. In this world, nothing can stay secret forever.
<Kimoleon> (more talk, how even his broadcast manager got offered, what if they get caught, will they pay their lawyer fees etc)
<Kimoleon> until this problem is solved, from my senior year in high school I put my golden years into starcraft1 broodwar... starting my sonic star lessons, amateur leagues, and now passing 2.5 years bj starleague.. after being released from the army I couldn't forget it so I started again, while running a small business couldn't let this go, even as it gives me stress can't let go.. this starcraft league that I love cannot go on.
<Kimoleon> 8th bj starleague connected thousands of dollars from sponsors, big companies with good offers.. stopped all these current talks, the chance given to me, sponsor, offers so that I can put all my effort into ending this event which made fun of viewers and give mistrust to honest players. If this cannot be solved I'm willing to cut my eonnections with starcraft. (Comment: statement seems to imply that even if this offers aren't retracted Sonic himself isn't going to proceed with these offers until this problem has been resolved)
further statement telling everyone not to speculate with netizens being netizens, telling involved parties to give him info and he won't press criminal charges
clarified some info, included minor change from secondary edit
<Kimoleon> got info on monday during nto clan match, there was a connection with a sasultoto (company name I think) broker and confirmed it
<Kimoleon> many players and the leader refused the offer of matchfixing, but one player (don't tell whether he was from NTO clan or not) has confessed to his match fixing, through that player have proof (apparently he gave testimony that other players in Sonic All Stars and other leagues could also have gotten involved) that others in sonic all stars may have match fixed
<Kimoleon> but on the bright side through this event investigation we found numerous players, clan masters, even my broadcasting managers have confirmed refusing these brokers. (It seems that there is no evidence tying NTO Clan with the match fixing)
<Kimoleon> though many confirmations, we found out information on who tried to recruit the NTO clan, that certain gamer was threatened that they would release his name on the matchfixing list, currently linked to this event the truth has been spread from my police investigation request
<Kimoleon> even if the past giant kespa organization could not stop the contact between these brokers and players, how could I BJ Sonic alone prevent hundreds of ppl, bj, etc them? it's so draining and exhausting..
<Kimoleon> these last two days, I've fallen into a state of dejection and helplessness.
<Kimoleon> I was told I could not solve this on my own, the best case is with investigate these brokers who were the ones running the matchfixing, with the checkcall records and the owner of these numbers will be under investigation.
<Kimoleon> this might be tough for people who are playing starcraft, but I have to say this
<Kimoleon> (long list of criminal offenses they can be charged with, interfereance with business, gambling, cheating etc)
cheating etc)
<Kimoleon> when a broker approaches you and says, "if it's just two of us its ok you know?", "after a meal some drinks, I'll give you some cash, they can't catch us. no proof", "we'll take it to our graves" will the be appraoch of these people. In this world, nothing can stay secret forever.
<Kimoleon> (more talk, how even his broadcast manager got offered, what if they get caught, will they pay their lawyer fees etc)
<Kimoleon> until this problem is solved, from my senior year in high school I put my golden years into starcraft1 broodwar... starting my sonic star lessons, amateur leagues, and now passing 2.5 years bj starleague.. after being released from the army I couldn't forget it so I started again, while running a small business couldn't let this go, even as it gives me stress can't let go.. this starcraft league that I love cannot go on.
<Kimoleon> 8th bj starleague connected thousands of dollars from sponsors, big companies with good offers.. stopped all these current talks, the chance given to me, sponsor, offers so that I can put all my effort into ending this event which made fun of viewers and give mistrust to honest players. If this cannot be solved I'm willing to cut my eonnections with starcraft. (Comment: statement seems to imply that even if this offers aren't retracted Sonic himself isn't going to proceed with these offers until this problem has been resolved)
further statement telling everyone not to speculate with netizens being netizens, telling involved parties to give him info and he won't press criminal charges
clarified some info, included minor change from secondary edit
To send a message to Sonic with the rest of TL, go visit this new thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=388087