Your post-BW plans - Page 47

On May 07 2012 19:38 Sawamura wrote:


LoL not a problem at all it's merely my wish that the poll is not corrupted so I can know what bw fan's are really going to play right now after the switch and most of them I have talk to are really leaving for real.

On May 07 2012 20:49 Sawamura wrote:


Yeah my life is pretty much fuck up right now and I wonder why am I here posting instead of studying for my finals . It seems that every path I take I manage to screw it up in the end . I find it also surprising why I find the urge to post here instead of studying and I am really am dumb . Finals in 5 days that's pretty great ......

On May 07 2012 20:53 Sawamura wrote:


If you were a bw fan that answer would have come to you immediately instead of asking this question . Hint korean server like fish what is the population and also visit the gametrics.com broodwar is still listed as top 5 game played in korean although LoL is the king there. Iccup population has been bleeding since sc2 was released and yeah I agree it's dead.

On May 07 2012 20:06 Epithet wrote:

You kinda just proved him right with the quality of your post and the fact that you're a sc2 fan.

Said the person who only posts in SC2 forums except this thread...

On May 04 2012 05:01 Bijan wrote:


This is simply not true anymore. Only in TvP do you see only bio-centric play-styles. Hopefully that will change when new units arrive. Either way, your assessment of Terran is very outdated.

More on topic: I hope that after the BW scene dies in Korea that there will be some more foreign tournaments, even if they don't have money on the line. There is a vocal minority of SC2 fans that think BW should die, but I know many others feel reverently about the game. Most people initially got the new game because of BW, even if they only played customs and BGH. I never see any BW tournaments streamed on TL but maybe when there is no BW in korea to watch we can see more of them pop up. I will certainly watch.

On May 04 2012 12:55 DirtyCash wrote:


Its hard to put that many factual errors and ignorant statements in a single post, quite a feat really. Terran is by far the deepest and most strategically diverse race in SC2. Thats a fact that even non-Terran players often bring up in balance discussions. "Bio only" and often optional medivacs? Complete and utter bullshit, you have to outplay your opponent by a large margin to win with that, especially in TvZ and TvT. You played 5 games in beta, congrats bro but you really dont know what you are talking about.

On May 08 2012 00:35 Mjolnir wrote:


It is true. While I get that Terran has a lot more diversity and certainly more openers than the other races feel they have (especially Zerg) at the end of the day, for most people, a strong bio composition is all you need. You can toss in a few tanks, but the majority of your firepower is infantry. This has been seen in tonnes of games from pros over and over.

It simply doesn't have the depth of BW - and for most players there's no incentive to look for it when straight bio is enough to get you into master league.



Thanks for your condescension, unfortunately it doesn't make me wrong.

Terran may be the deepest and most strategically diverse race in SC2 - and I suppose that's correct all things considered - so that being the case, that's a pretty sad statement on SC2 in general because it would suggest a) Zerg and Protoss are flat and boring as all hell (I would certainly agree) considering that b) BW Terran was far more interesting to play than SC2 Terran - requiring and/or utilizing vastly different strats (and entirely different units) to be effective vs. Protoss and Zerg.

I have consistently placed master league in SC2 with Zerg and Terran as my two main races since this game came out (well, diamond before there was master league) and I was a highly proficient BW player - so it's not like I'm talking out of my ass here. You can absolutely dominate with straight bio - there are pros who built a career out of this fact.

As for the "5 games in beta" comment - give me a break kid, I've probably been playing Starcraft RTS's since before you could hold a mouse. I'm glad you're a fan of SC2, that's great, but there's a reason many people (including many pros) think SC2 is lacking in technical depth and skill level when compared with BW. It's certainly not because they're basing those opinions off "5 games in beta."

On May 02 2012 14:14 Masheyoon wrote:
Once again, I can't emphasize strongly enough on how depressing and heartbreaking this is. The pro Korean BW scene was always there for me and it seemed as though it had proven that it could stand the test of time... it still hasn't sunk in for me...

I'm going to go off on a tangent with the following, but know that I'm not necessarily bashing them: I don't know how guys like Day[9], Tasteless, and Artosis managed to seemingly drop and completely forget about BW. They said themselves before SC2 was released, "StarCraft is my life" and yet they didn't seem to have a problem with basically giving the notion of, "shoot, out with the old and in with the new." To my knowledge not once did Day[9] even mention the happenings of the pro Korean BW scene during his streams after SC2's release. It seems very fraile and fickle to me, but hey, hats off to you guys. As for me, BW truly is my life and I'm going to remember and respect it until the day I die.

On May 08 2012 00:43 nttea wrote:

well seeing as how master league is pretty much c-rank iccup you could do stupid as shit stuff in bw getting into c rank too. Reached c+(high, i was mostly c rank) with zerg : zvz mutas and zerglings zvp: hydralisks zvt: die to marines and medics before i could get defilers. I had no fucking idea about any deepness in bw, essentially you needed even less strategic knowledge in bw because as long as you could click faster you could run in circles around your opponents. I don't see how bw is in any way deeper strategically than sc2, sure it's still way more fun to watch bw (imo) but it's not because it's more complex.

On May 08 2012 01:31 ppshchik wrote:


No offense but do you seriously think Artosis and Tasteless can find jobs outside the progaming world with their highschool diplomas during a time when college graduates are struggling to find jobs? Artosis also has to feed his daughter.

IdrA has always said BW is the better game. When IdrA and Incontrol commentate a GSTL match on stream, IdrA said he wanted to watch the OSL finals instead of the GSL Season 4 finals when he was in Korea, but had to stay in GOM for some audition for his next season. He was ranting how MKP vs MVP was "fucking horrible" and Stork vs Fantasy was a much better finals.

The difference between IdrA and Tastosis is that Tastosis are casters and they have to praise how great of a game SC2 is to get paid.

On May 07 2012 20:51 huehuehuehue wrote:

How many BW fans actually play the game? I think most just watch it, when i went on ICCup it was dead.

On May 08 2012 00:59 Ero-Sennin wrote:
I don't get it. You're admitting you were bad and you're trying to talk about perceived deepness in the game? That's like some kid who sucked at tee ball trying to explain that professional baseball really isn't all that deep.

Yes, speed is important, but it's not the main thing at your level, and I'm pretty sure it isn't the main reason why you'd lose your ZvT unless your APM was like 10.

Zerg was my offrace, I could maybe play it at a 150-160 average? I could still beat people at your level and a little higher with my shitty zerg (and it was shitty) because I knew what they were showing me and I knew what I had to do to win.

On May 08 2012 02:37 nttea wrote:

well i was responding to someone making claims about the deepness of starcraft2 and i just wanted to use similar arguments... and a little higher than my level of zerg would be what... c+/b-? who the fuck calls that shitty.

On May 08 2012 00:35 Mjolnir wrote:


It is true. While I get that Terran has a lot more diversity and certainly more openers than the other races feel they have (especially Zerg) at the end of the day, for most people, a strong bio composition is all you need. You can toss in a few tanks, but the majority of your firepower is infantry. This has been seen in tonnes of games from pros over and over.

It simply doesn't have the depth of BW - and for most players there's no incentive to look for it when straight bio is enough to get you into master league.



Thanks for your condescension, unfortunately it doesn't make me wrong.

Terran may be the deepest and most strategically diverse race in SC2 - and I suppose that's correct all things considered - so that being the case, that's a pretty sad statement on SC2 in general because it would suggest a) Zerg and Protoss are flat and boring as all hell (I would certainly agree) considering that b) BW Terran was far more interesting to play than SC2 Terran - requiring and/or utilizing vastly different strats (and entirely different units) to be effective vs. Protoss and Zerg.

I have consistently placed master league in SC2 with Zerg and Terran as my two main races since this game came out (well, diamond before there was master league) and I was a highly proficient BW player - so it's not like I'm talking out of my ass here. You can absolutely dominate with straight bio - there are pros who built a career out of this fact.

As for the "5 games in beta" comment - give me a break kid, I've probably been playing Starcraft RTS's since before you could hold a mouse. I'm glad you're a fan of SC2, that's great, but there's a reason many people (including many pros) think SC2 is lacking in technical depth and skill level when compared with BW. It's certainly not because they're basing those opinions off "5 games in beta."