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huehuehuehue
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Estonia455 Posts
May 07 2012 11:51 GMT
#921
On May 07 2012 19:38 Sawamura wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2012 19:35 murphs wrote:
On May 07 2012 17:09 Sawamura wrote:
I really wish sc2 fans stop trolling the poll by voting sc2 and expansion every day please ?


I really wish bw fans stop trolling the poll by voting leaving after the switch even though most are just participating in a sc2 sux lol circlejerk and will probably stay anyway every day please ?


LoL not a problem at all it's merely my wish that the poll is not corrupted so I can know what bw fan's are really going to play right now after the switch and most of them I have talk to are really leaving for real.

How many BW fans actually play the game? I think most just watch it, when i went on ICCup it was dead.
chrisolo
Profile Joined May 2009
Germany2609 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-07 11:57:07
May 07 2012 11:53 GMT
#922
On May 06 2012 22:55 Bjoernzor wrote:
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On May 06 2012 20:20 chrisolo wrote:
I will probably quit gaming completely after BW dies.

Tried SC2 from Beta, it sucked, so well yea, all the good things come to an end.

You played a game you thought sucked for 2 years? Oo


I never said I am still playing it Oo That is why I am in the Broodwar Forums Oo

I played it about 1,5 years tho. I thought it is going to get better. I ll probably gonna play again a bit for HotS and then for LotV, but I do not think it will change so much that my oppinion about SC2 will get better.

Edit:
On May 07 2012 18:51 Sinedd wrote:
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On May 07 2012 03:38 dark14cs wrote:
On May 06 2012 20:20 chrisolo wrote:
I will probably quit gaming completely after BW dies.


off you go then ! You wont be missed

we dont need people who turn their tails right after the proscene of some game dies..

Look at them folks still playing WARCRAFT 2 !!! W2 !!!!!! FFS !!! this game was released in 1995 !!!

what a bunch of deserters..


LOL, no need to get rude. I think I am old enough to stop gaming, so I think I could not choose a better moment then when BW dies. The game of my youth, so goodbye youth^^
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ - aka cReAtiVee
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
May 07 2012 11:53 GMT
#923
On May 07 2012 20:51 huehuehuehue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2012 19:38 Sawamura wrote:
On May 07 2012 19:35 murphs wrote:
On May 07 2012 17:09 Sawamura wrote:
I really wish sc2 fans stop trolling the poll by voting sc2 and expansion every day please ?


I really wish bw fans stop trolling the poll by voting leaving after the switch even though most are just participating in a sc2 sux lol circlejerk and will probably stay anyway every day please ?


LoL not a problem at all it's merely my wish that the poll is not corrupted so I can know what bw fan's are really going to play right now after the switch and most of them I have talk to are really leaving for real.

How many BW fans actually play the game? I think most just watch it, when i went on ICCup it was dead.


If you were a bw fan that answer would have come to you immediately instead of asking this question . Hint korean server like fish what is the population and also visit the gametrics.com broodwar is still listed as top 5 game played in korean although LoL is the king there. Iccup population has been bleeding since sc2 was released and yeah I agree it's dead.
BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
SarcasmMonster
Profile Joined October 2011
3136 Posts
May 07 2012 12:01 GMT
#924
On May 07 2012 20:49 Sawamura wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2012 20:10 Darksoldierr wrote:
Sawamura, the hell is wrong with you? You are the sole reason why it keeps getting back to sc2 vs bw war. If you dont have anything better to do, please play BW on iccup or tetris, whatever just dont troll around.

On May 07 2012 19:38 Sawamura wrote:
On May 07 2012 19:35 murphs wrote:
On May 07 2012 17:09 Sawamura wrote:
I really wish sc2 fans stop trolling the poll by voting sc2 and expansion every day please ?


I really wish bw fans stop trolling the poll by voting leaving after the switch even though most are just participating in a sc2 sux lol circlejerk and will probably stay anyway every day please ?


LoL not a problem at all it's merely my wish that the poll is not corrupted so I can know what bw fan's are really going to play right now after the switch and most of them I have talk to are really leaving for real.


You got your anserwers dont you? If you say Sc2 fans "corrupting" your poll, then its obvious they vote on "the happy ending choice" so everyone else are BW fans by your logic. Everything is clear, around 500 will quit alltogether, and 200 stays for the community.


Yeah my life is pretty much fuck up right now and I wonder why am I here posting instead of studying for my finals . It seems that every path I take I manage to screw it up in the end . I find it also surprising why I find the urge to post here instead of studying and I am really am dumb . Finals in 5 days that's pretty great ......


Not sure why you felt the need to share an uninteresting and irrelevant story of your life.

I'm curious for those won't follow SC2 after BW, will you watch your favorite player's first SC2 game? Must be kind of tempting to see how they will perform.
MMA: The true King of Wings
huehuehuehue
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Estonia455 Posts
May 07 2012 12:02 GMT
#925
On May 07 2012 20:53 Sawamura wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2012 20:51 huehuehuehue wrote:
On May 07 2012 19:38 Sawamura wrote:
On May 07 2012 19:35 murphs wrote:
On May 07 2012 17:09 Sawamura wrote:
I really wish sc2 fans stop trolling the poll by voting sc2 and expansion every day please ?


I really wish bw fans stop trolling the poll by voting leaving after the switch even though most are just participating in a sc2 sux lol circlejerk and will probably stay anyway every day please ?


LoL not a problem at all it's merely my wish that the poll is not corrupted so I can know what bw fan's are really going to play right now after the switch and most of them I have talk to are really leaving for real.

How many BW fans actually play the game? I think most just watch it, when i went on ICCup it was dead.


If you were a bw fan that answer would have come to you immediately instead of asking this question . Hint korean server like fish what is the population and also visit the gametrics.com broodwar is still listed as top 5 game played in korean although LoL is the king there. Iccup population has been bleeding since sc2 was released and yeah I agree it's dead.

I mean foreign BW fans, I know some TLers play on Fish server, but i don't think it's a very big amount.
seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9777 Posts
May 07 2012 12:33 GMT
#926
On May 07 2012 21:01 SarcasmMonster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2012 20:49 Sawamura wrote:
On May 07 2012 20:10 Darksoldierr wrote:
Sawamura, the hell is wrong with you? You are the sole reason why it keeps getting back to sc2 vs bw war. If you dont have anything better to do, please play BW on iccup or tetris, whatever just dont troll around.

On May 07 2012 19:38 Sawamura wrote:
On May 07 2012 19:35 murphs wrote:
On May 07 2012 17:09 Sawamura wrote:
I really wish sc2 fans stop trolling the poll by voting sc2 and expansion every day please ?


I really wish bw fans stop trolling the poll by voting leaving after the switch even though most are just participating in a sc2 sux lol circlejerk and will probably stay anyway every day please ?


LoL not a problem at all it's merely my wish that the poll is not corrupted so I can know what bw fan's are really going to play right now after the switch and most of them I have talk to are really leaving for real.


You got your anserwers dont you? If you say Sc2 fans "corrupting" your poll, then its obvious they vote on "the happy ending choice" so everyone else are BW fans by your logic. Everything is clear, around 500 will quit alltogether, and 200 stays for the community.


Yeah my life is pretty much fuck up right now and I wonder why am I here posting instead of studying for my finals . It seems that every path I take I manage to screw it up in the end . I find it also surprising why I find the urge to post here instead of studying and I am really am dumb . Finals in 5 days that's pretty great ......


Not sure why you felt the need to share an uninteresting and irrelevant story of your life.

I'm curious for those won't follow SC2 after BW, will you watch your favorite player's first SC2 game? Must be kind of tempting to see how they will perform.

To answer your question, I probably will read the LR and if I think its worth my time (ie not utterly disappointing) then I very well might watch the VOD.

If I have to pay for it tho then hell no.
boomer hands
iky43210
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States2099 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-07 15:05:38
May 07 2012 15:04 GMT
#927
On May 07 2012 20:06 Epithet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2012 19:35 murphs wrote:
On May 07 2012 17:09 Sawamura wrote:
I really wish sc2 fans stop trolling the poll by voting sc2 and expansion every day please ?


I really wish bw fans stop trolling the poll by voting leaving after the switch even though most are just participating in a sc2 sux lol circlejerk and will probably stay anyway every day please ?

You kinda just proved him right with the quality of your post and the fact that you're a sc2 fan.
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2012 18:56 iky43210 wrote:
On May 07 2012 17:09 Sawamura wrote:
I really wish sc2 fans stop trolling the poll by voting sc2 and expansion every day please ?


people don't have the same opinion as me?

THEY MUST BE TROLLING!11

Said the person who only posts in SC2 forums except this thread...

I didn't know you have to participate in threads to like something.

I like sc2 and bw, simple as that. I've probably invested a fair amount of time watching random broodwar streamers (before they went extinct) and events
myopia
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2928 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-07 15:32:13
May 07 2012 15:31 GMT
#928
As long as TL's other games and dota forums remain good, I'll keep posting here.
it's my first day
Mjolnir
Profile Joined January 2009
912 Posts
May 07 2012 15:35 GMT
#929
On May 04 2012 05:01 Bijan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 02:00 Mjolnir wrote:

SC2 is not worth it.

It's pretty and all but doesn't hold a candle to BW. I jumped on the SC2 bandwagon when beta came out and it wasn't too long before I realized how utterly lacking it is compared to BW. I stayed around for patch after patch thinking "this'll be the one that makes it great" and it just hasn't happened.

Honestly, the biggest disappointment is Terran.

I loved Terran in BW. It was such a great race to play. I feel bad for all the Terran BW fans moving to SC2 and how heartbroken they'll be to know that you play EVERY match up the same way.

BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO

You can get into masters making marines, marauders, and medivacs. That's it - and many games medivacs will be optional.

Utterly heartbreaking.

To go from the dynamism of the Terran bio, bio/mech, mech, positional play of BW to SC2's marine/marauder faceroll style is just sad. It was - and still is - the biggest let-down of SC2 for me, a former Terran player. I imagine it will be for many of you as well.

EDIT: Spelling error.



This is simply not true anymore. Only in TvP do you see only bio-centric play-styles. Hopefully that will change when new units arrive. Either way, your assessment of Terran is very outdated.

More on topic: I hope that after the BW scene dies in Korea that there will be some more foreign tournaments, even if they don't have money on the line. There is a vocal minority of SC2 fans that think BW should die, but I know many others feel reverently about the game. Most people initially got the new game because of BW, even if they only played customs and BGH. I never see any BW tournaments streamed on TL but maybe when there is no BW in korea to watch we can see more of them pop up. I will certainly watch.


It is true. While I get that Terran has a lot more diversity and certainly more openers than the other races feel they have (especially Zerg) at the end of the day, for most people, a strong bio composition is all you need. You can toss in a few tanks, but the majority of your firepower is infantry. This has been seen in tonnes of games from pros over and over.

It simply doesn't have the depth of BW - and for most players there's no incentive to look for it when straight bio is enough to get you into master league.

On May 04 2012 12:55 DirtyCash wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 02:00 Mjolnir wrote:

SC2 is not worth it.

It's pretty and all but doesn't hold a candle to BW. I jumped on the SC2 bandwagon when beta came out and it wasn't too long before I realized how utterly lacking it is compared to BW. I stayed around for patch after patch thinking "this'll be the one that makes it great" and it just hasn't happened.

Honestly, the biggest disappointment is Terran.

I loved Terran in BW. It was such a great race to play. I feel bad for all the Terran BW fans moving to SC2 and how heartbroken they'll be to know that you play EVERY match up the same way.

BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO

You can get into masters making marines, marauders, and medivacs. That's it - and many games medivacs will be optional.

Utterly heartbreaking.

To go from the dynamism of the Terran bio, bio/mech, mech, positional play of BW to SC2's marine/marauder faceroll style is just sad. It was - and still is - the biggest let-down of SC2 for me, a former Terran player. I imagine it will be for many of you as well.

EDIT: Spelling error.



Its hard to put that many factual errors and ignorant statements in a single post, quite a feat really. Terran is by far the deepest and most strategically diverse race in SC2. Thats a fact that even non-Terran players often bring up in balance discussions. "Bio only" and often optional medivacs? Complete and utter bullshit, you have to outplay your opponent by a large margin to win with that, especially in TvZ and TvT. You played 5 games in beta, congrats bro but you really dont know what you are talking about.


Thanks for your condescension, unfortunately it doesn't make me wrong.

Terran may be the deepest and most strategically diverse race in SC2 - and I suppose that's correct all things considered - so that being the case, that's a pretty sad statement on SC2 in general because it would suggest a) Zerg and Protoss are flat and boring as all hell (I would certainly agree) considering that b) BW Terran was far more interesting to play than SC2 Terran - requiring and/or utilizing vastly different strats (and entirely different units) to be effective vs. Protoss and Zerg.

I have consistently placed master league in SC2 with Zerg and Terran as my two main races since this game came out (well, diamond before there was master league) and I was a highly proficient BW player - so it's not like I'm talking out of my ass here. You can absolutely dominate with straight bio - there are pros who built a career out of this fact.

As for the "5 games in beta" comment - give me a break kid, I've probably been playing Starcraft RTS's since before you could hold a mouse. I'm glad you're a fan of SC2, that's great, but there's a reason many people (including many pros) think SC2 is lacking in technical depth and skill level when compared with BW. It's certainly not because they're basing those opinions off "5 games in beta."

nttea
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Sweden4353 Posts
May 07 2012 15:43 GMT
#930
On May 08 2012 00:35 Mjolnir wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 05:01 Bijan wrote:
On May 04 2012 02:00 Mjolnir wrote:

SC2 is not worth it.

It's pretty and all but doesn't hold a candle to BW. I jumped on the SC2 bandwagon when beta came out and it wasn't too long before I realized how utterly lacking it is compared to BW. I stayed around for patch after patch thinking "this'll be the one that makes it great" and it just hasn't happened.

Honestly, the biggest disappointment is Terran.

I loved Terran in BW. It was such a great race to play. I feel bad for all the Terran BW fans moving to SC2 and how heartbroken they'll be to know that you play EVERY match up the same way.

BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO

You can get into masters making marines, marauders, and medivacs. That's it - and many games medivacs will be optional.

Utterly heartbreaking.

To go from the dynamism of the Terran bio, bio/mech, mech, positional play of BW to SC2's marine/marauder faceroll style is just sad. It was - and still is - the biggest let-down of SC2 for me, a former Terran player. I imagine it will be for many of you as well.

EDIT: Spelling error.



This is simply not true anymore. Only in TvP do you see only bio-centric play-styles. Hopefully that will change when new units arrive. Either way, your assessment of Terran is very outdated.

More on topic: I hope that after the BW scene dies in Korea that there will be some more foreign tournaments, even if they don't have money on the line. There is a vocal minority of SC2 fans that think BW should die, but I know many others feel reverently about the game. Most people initially got the new game because of BW, even if they only played customs and BGH. I never see any BW tournaments streamed on TL but maybe when there is no BW in korea to watch we can see more of them pop up. I will certainly watch.


It is true. While I get that Terran has a lot more diversity and certainly more openers than the other races feel they have (especially Zerg) at the end of the day, for most people, a strong bio composition is all you need. You can toss in a few tanks, but the majority of your firepower is infantry. This has been seen in tonnes of games from pros over and over.

It simply doesn't have the depth of BW - and for most players there's no incentive to look for it when straight bio is enough to get you into master league.

Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 12:55 DirtyCash wrote:
On May 04 2012 02:00 Mjolnir wrote:

SC2 is not worth it.

It's pretty and all but doesn't hold a candle to BW. I jumped on the SC2 bandwagon when beta came out and it wasn't too long before I realized how utterly lacking it is compared to BW. I stayed around for patch after patch thinking "this'll be the one that makes it great" and it just hasn't happened.

Honestly, the biggest disappointment is Terran.

I loved Terran in BW. It was such a great race to play. I feel bad for all the Terran BW fans moving to SC2 and how heartbroken they'll be to know that you play EVERY match up the same way.

BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO

You can get into masters making marines, marauders, and medivacs. That's it - and many games medivacs will be optional.

Utterly heartbreaking.

To go from the dynamism of the Terran bio, bio/mech, mech, positional play of BW to SC2's marine/marauder faceroll style is just sad. It was - and still is - the biggest let-down of SC2 for me, a former Terran player. I imagine it will be for many of you as well.

EDIT: Spelling error.



Its hard to put that many factual errors and ignorant statements in a single post, quite a feat really. Terran is by far the deepest and most strategically diverse race in SC2. Thats a fact that even non-Terran players often bring up in balance discussions. "Bio only" and often optional medivacs? Complete and utter bullshit, you have to outplay your opponent by a large margin to win with that, especially in TvZ and TvT. You played 5 games in beta, congrats bro but you really dont know what you are talking about.


Thanks for your condescension, unfortunately it doesn't make me wrong.

Terran may be the deepest and most strategically diverse race in SC2 - and I suppose that's correct all things considered - so that being the case, that's a pretty sad statement on SC2 in general because it would suggest a) Zerg and Protoss are flat and boring as all hell (I would certainly agree) considering that b) BW Terran was far more interesting to play than SC2 Terran - requiring and/or utilizing vastly different strats (and entirely different units) to be effective vs. Protoss and Zerg.

I have consistently placed master league in SC2 with Zerg and Terran as my two main races since this game came out (well, diamond before there was master league) and I was a highly proficient BW player - so it's not like I'm talking out of my ass here. You can absolutely dominate with straight bio - there are pros who built a career out of this fact.

As for the "5 games in beta" comment - give me a break kid, I've probably been playing Starcraft RTS's since before you could hold a mouse. I'm glad you're a fan of SC2, that's great, but there's a reason many people (including many pros) think SC2 is lacking in technical depth and skill level when compared with BW. It's certainly not because they're basing those opinions off "5 games in beta."


well seeing as how master league is pretty much c-rank iccup you could do stupid as shit stuff in bw getting into c rank too. Reached c+(high, i was mostly c rank) with zerg : zvz mutas and zerglings zvp: hydralisks zvt: die to marines and medics before i could get defilers. I had no fucking idea about any deepness in bw, essentially you needed even less strategic knowledge in bw because as long as you could click faster you could run in circles around your opponents. I don't see how bw is in any way deeper strategically than sc2, sure it's still way more fun to watch bw (imo) but it's not because it's more complex.
Ero-Sennin
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States756 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-07 16:01:41
May 07 2012 15:59 GMT
#931
I don't get it. You're admitting you were bad and you're trying to talk about perceived deepness in the game? That's like some kid who sucked at tee ball trying to explain that professional baseball really isn't all that deep.

Yes, speed is important, but it's not the main thing at your level, and I'm pretty sure it isn't the main reason why you'd lose your ZvT unless your APM was like 10.

Zerg was my offrace, I could maybe play it at a 150-160 average? I could still beat people at your level and a little higher with my shitty zerg (and it was shitty) because I knew what they were showing me and I knew what I had to do to win.
Luck makes talent look like genius.
ppshchik
Profile Joined September 2010
United States862 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-07 16:34:37
May 07 2012 16:31 GMT
#932
On May 02 2012 14:14 Masheyoon wrote:
Once again, I can't emphasize strongly enough on how depressing and heartbreaking this is. The pro Korean BW scene was always there for me and it seemed as though it had proven that it could stand the test of time... it still hasn't sunk in for me...

I'm going to go off on a tangent with the following, but know that I'm not necessarily bashing them: I don't know how guys like Day[9], Tasteless, and Artosis managed to seemingly drop and completely forget about BW. They said themselves before SC2 was released, "StarCraft is my life" and yet they didn't seem to have a problem with basically giving the notion of, "shoot, out with the old and in with the new." To my knowledge not once did Day[9] even mention the happenings of the pro Korean BW scene during his streams after SC2's release. It seems very fraile and fickle to me, but hey, hats off to you guys. As for me, BW truly is my life and I'm going to remember and respect it until the day I die.


No offense but do you seriously think Artosis and Tasteless can find jobs outside the progaming world with their highschool diplomas during a time when college graduates are struggling to find jobs? Artosis also has to feed his daughter.

IdrA has always said BW is the better game. When IdrA and Incontrol commentate a GSTL match on stream, IdrA said he wanted to watch the OSL finals instead of the GSL Season 4 finals when he was in Korea, but had to stay in GOM for some audition for his next season. He was ranting how MKP vs MVP was "fucking horrible" and Stork vs Fantasy was a much better finals.

The difference between IdrA and Tastosis is that Tastosis are casters and they have to praise how great of a game SC2 is to get paid.
Legends never die... they end up working in McDonalds.
stevewch
Profile Joined February 2006
Hong Kong216 Posts
May 07 2012 16:39 GMT
#933
On May 08 2012 00:43 nttea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2012 00:35 Mjolnir wrote:
On May 04 2012 05:01 Bijan wrote:
On May 04 2012 02:00 Mjolnir wrote:

SC2 is not worth it.

It's pretty and all but doesn't hold a candle to BW. I jumped on the SC2 bandwagon when beta came out and it wasn't too long before I realized how utterly lacking it is compared to BW. I stayed around for patch after patch thinking "this'll be the one that makes it great" and it just hasn't happened.

Honestly, the biggest disappointment is Terran.

I loved Terran in BW. It was such a great race to play. I feel bad for all the Terran BW fans moving to SC2 and how heartbroken they'll be to know that you play EVERY match up the same way.

BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO

You can get into masters making marines, marauders, and medivacs. That's it - and many games medivacs will be optional.

Utterly heartbreaking.

To go from the dynamism of the Terran bio, bio/mech, mech, positional play of BW to SC2's marine/marauder faceroll style is just sad. It was - and still is - the biggest let-down of SC2 for me, a former Terran player. I imagine it will be for many of you as well.

EDIT: Spelling error.



This is simply not true anymore. Only in TvP do you see only bio-centric play-styles. Hopefully that will change when new units arrive. Either way, your assessment of Terran is very outdated.

More on topic: I hope that after the BW scene dies in Korea that there will be some more foreign tournaments, even if they don't have money on the line. There is a vocal minority of SC2 fans that think BW should die, but I know many others feel reverently about the game. Most people initially got the new game because of BW, even if they only played customs and BGH. I never see any BW tournaments streamed on TL but maybe when there is no BW in korea to watch we can see more of them pop up. I will certainly watch.


It is true. While I get that Terran has a lot more diversity and certainly more openers than the other races feel they have (especially Zerg) at the end of the day, for most people, a strong bio composition is all you need. You can toss in a few tanks, but the majority of your firepower is infantry. This has been seen in tonnes of games from pros over and over.

It simply doesn't have the depth of BW - and for most players there's no incentive to look for it when straight bio is enough to get you into master league.

On May 04 2012 12:55 DirtyCash wrote:
On May 04 2012 02:00 Mjolnir wrote:

SC2 is not worth it.

It's pretty and all but doesn't hold a candle to BW. I jumped on the SC2 bandwagon when beta came out and it wasn't too long before I realized how utterly lacking it is compared to BW. I stayed around for patch after patch thinking "this'll be the one that makes it great" and it just hasn't happened.

Honestly, the biggest disappointment is Terran.

I loved Terran in BW. It was such a great race to play. I feel bad for all the Terran BW fans moving to SC2 and how heartbroken they'll be to know that you play EVERY match up the same way.

BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO

You can get into masters making marines, marauders, and medivacs. That's it - and many games medivacs will be optional.

Utterly heartbreaking.

To go from the dynamism of the Terran bio, bio/mech, mech, positional play of BW to SC2's marine/marauder faceroll style is just sad. It was - and still is - the biggest let-down of SC2 for me, a former Terran player. I imagine it will be for many of you as well.

EDIT: Spelling error.



Its hard to put that many factual errors and ignorant statements in a single post, quite a feat really. Terran is by far the deepest and most strategically diverse race in SC2. Thats a fact that even non-Terran players often bring up in balance discussions. "Bio only" and often optional medivacs? Complete and utter bullshit, you have to outplay your opponent by a large margin to win with that, especially in TvZ and TvT. You played 5 games in beta, congrats bro but you really dont know what you are talking about.


Thanks for your condescension, unfortunately it doesn't make me wrong.

Terran may be the deepest and most strategically diverse race in SC2 - and I suppose that's correct all things considered - so that being the case, that's a pretty sad statement on SC2 in general because it would suggest a) Zerg and Protoss are flat and boring as all hell (I would certainly agree) considering that b) BW Terran was far more interesting to play than SC2 Terran - requiring and/or utilizing vastly different strats (and entirely different units) to be effective vs. Protoss and Zerg.

I have consistently placed master league in SC2 with Zerg and Terran as my two main races since this game came out (well, diamond before there was master league) and I was a highly proficient BW player - so it's not like I'm talking out of my ass here. You can absolutely dominate with straight bio - there are pros who built a career out of this fact.

As for the "5 games in beta" comment - give me a break kid, I've probably been playing Starcraft RTS's since before you could hold a mouse. I'm glad you're a fan of SC2, that's great, but there's a reason many people (including many pros) think SC2 is lacking in technical depth and skill level when compared with BW. It's certainly not because they're basing those opinions off "5 games in beta."


well seeing as how master league is pretty much c-rank iccup you could do stupid as shit stuff in bw getting into c rank too. Reached c+(high, i was mostly c rank) with zerg : zvz mutas and zerglings zvp: hydralisks zvt: die to marines and medics before i could get defilers. I had no fucking idea about any deepness in bw, essentially you needed even less strategic knowledge in bw because as long as you could click faster you could run in circles around your opponents. I don't see how bw is in any way deeper strategically than sc2, sure it's still way more fun to watch bw (imo) but it's not because it's more complex.


there are different ways to be good in bw.
some chineses can hit b or even green rank with less then 200apm because they have good game sense, knowing the timing, engaging in a good form, etc.
while some others can rely on their micro to outplay their opponents, like doing multitasking/excellent control of muta/reaver/vul..
what you mentioned is the latter only. some people can simply rely on their solid macro/strategy/game knowledge to outplay other.

PS:i have played sc2 for like 2months in the summer of 2010 and hit high diamond(diamond is the highest back then). i would say it is good, but not comparable to bw at this moment, from both viewers' and players' perspective.
and i dont think 2 addons can bring a huge difference to sc2(well,maybe it can fix the balance issue, but bad gameplay problem is still there)
SC forever!
stevewch
Profile Joined February 2006
Hong Kong216 Posts
May 07 2012 16:44 GMT
#934
On May 08 2012 01:31 ppshchik wrote:
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On May 02 2012 14:14 Masheyoon wrote:
Once again, I can't emphasize strongly enough on how depressing and heartbreaking this is. The pro Korean BW scene was always there for me and it seemed as though it had proven that it could stand the test of time... it still hasn't sunk in for me...

I'm going to go off on a tangent with the following, but know that I'm not necessarily bashing them: I don't know how guys like Day[9], Tasteless, and Artosis managed to seemingly drop and completely forget about BW. They said themselves before SC2 was released, "StarCraft is my life" and yet they didn't seem to have a problem with basically giving the notion of, "shoot, out with the old and in with the new." To my knowledge not once did Day[9] even mention the happenings of the pro Korean BW scene during his streams after SC2's release. It seems very fraile and fickle to me, but hey, hats off to you guys. As for me, BW truly is my life and I'm going to remember and respect it until the day I die.


No offense but do you seriously think Artosis and Tasteless can find jobs outside the progaming world with their highschool diplomas during a time when college graduates are struggling to find jobs? Artosis also has to feed his daughter.

IdrA has always said BW is the better game. When IdrA and Incontrol commentate a GSTL match on stream, IdrA said he wanted to watch the OSL finals instead of the GSL Season 4 finals when he was in Korea, but had to stay in GOM for some audition for his next season. He was ranting how MKP vs MVP was "fucking horrible" and Stork vs Fantasy was a much better finals.

The difference between IdrA and Tastosis is that Tastosis are casters and they have to praise how great of a game SC2 is to get paid.


actually many people in sc scene (kor pro team coaches,players and few top foreigners) have already pointed out bw is the better one at this moment, just some people choose not to believe these more intelligent sources and stick to their own belief.
that's pretty sad.
SC forever!
storkfan
Profile Joined March 2012
493 Posts
May 07 2012 17:37 GMT
#935
On May 07 2012 20:51 huehuehuehue wrote:
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On May 07 2012 19:38 Sawamura wrote:
On May 07 2012 19:35 murphs wrote:
On May 07 2012 17:09 Sawamura wrote:
I really wish sc2 fans stop trolling the poll by voting sc2 and expansion every day please ?


I really wish bw fans stop trolling the poll by voting leaving after the switch even though most are just participating in a sc2 sux lol circlejerk and will probably stay anyway every day please ?


LoL not a problem at all it's merely my wish that the poll is not corrupted so I can know what bw fan's are really going to play right now after the switch and most of them I have talk to are really leaving for real.

How many BW fans actually play the game? I think most just watch it, when i went on ICCup it was dead.

clearly you werent online on the peruvian hours.. Just stay up a few hours longer until dozens of "2v2 LATINOS" etc games start popping up like mushrooms after rain
nttea
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Sweden4353 Posts
May 07 2012 17:37 GMT
#936
On May 08 2012 00:59 Ero-Sennin wrote:
I don't get it. You're admitting you were bad and you're trying to talk about perceived deepness in the game? That's like some kid who sucked at tee ball trying to explain that professional baseball really isn't all that deep.

Yes, speed is important, but it's not the main thing at your level, and I'm pretty sure it isn't the main reason why you'd lose your ZvT unless your APM was like 10.

Zerg was my offrace, I could maybe play it at a 150-160 average? I could still beat people at your level and a little higher with my shitty zerg (and it was shitty) because I knew what they were showing me and I knew what I had to do to win.

well i was responding to someone making claims about the deepness of starcraft2 and i just wanted to use similar arguments... and a little higher than my level of zerg would be what... c+/b-? who the fuck calls that shitty.
sCCrooked
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Korea (South)1306 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-07 17:43:20
May 07 2012 17:41 GMT
#937
On May 08 2012 02:37 nttea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2012 00:59 Ero-Sennin wrote:
I don't get it. You're admitting you were bad and you're trying to talk about perceived deepness in the game? That's like some kid who sucked at tee ball trying to explain that professional baseball really isn't all that deep.

Yes, speed is important, but it's not the main thing at your level, and I'm pretty sure it isn't the main reason why you'd lose your ZvT unless your APM was like 10.

Zerg was my offrace, I could maybe play it at a 150-160 average? I could still beat people at your level and a little higher with my shitty zerg (and it was shitty) because I knew what they were showing me and I knew what I had to do to win.

well i was responding to someone making claims about the deepness of starcraft2 and i just wanted to use similar arguments... and a little higher than my level of zerg would be what... c+/b-? who the fuck calls that shitty.


Any and all Koreans would.

Go on iccup and ask anyone that rank if they think they're gosu. Everyone knows we're still at the low end on iccup unless you're green rank or higher. Even green rank is about C- in fish terms.
Enlightened in an age of anti-intellectualism and quotidian repetitiveness of asinine assumptive thinking. Best lycan guide evar --> "Fixing solo queue all pick one game at a time." ~KwarK-
storkfan
Profile Joined March 2012
493 Posts
May 07 2012 17:42 GMT
#938
but honestly i think LoL has had a far bigger impact on BW size than SC2 has. I mean the game has 40Million+ accounts that play monthly and it is a low sys requirements rts free game. exactly the market BW used to be popular in. SC2 is more of a "premium" game with the higher requirements, lack of freeplay option that is not so attractive in the classic foreign BW areas like east europe and latin americas.
densha
Profile Joined December 2010
United States797 Posts
May 07 2012 18:47 GMT
#939
On May 08 2012 00:35 Mjolnir wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 05:01 Bijan wrote:
On May 04 2012 02:00 Mjolnir wrote:

SC2 is not worth it.

It's pretty and all but doesn't hold a candle to BW. I jumped on the SC2 bandwagon when beta came out and it wasn't too long before I realized how utterly lacking it is compared to BW. I stayed around for patch after patch thinking "this'll be the one that makes it great" and it just hasn't happened.

Honestly, the biggest disappointment is Terran.

I loved Terran in BW. It was such a great race to play. I feel bad for all the Terran BW fans moving to SC2 and how heartbroken they'll be to know that you play EVERY match up the same way.

BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO

You can get into masters making marines, marauders, and medivacs. That's it - and many games medivacs will be optional.

Utterly heartbreaking.

To go from the dynamism of the Terran bio, bio/mech, mech, positional play of BW to SC2's marine/marauder faceroll style is just sad. It was - and still is - the biggest let-down of SC2 for me, a former Terran player. I imagine it will be for many of you as well.

EDIT: Spelling error.



This is simply not true anymore. Only in TvP do you see only bio-centric play-styles. Hopefully that will change when new units arrive. Either way, your assessment of Terran is very outdated.

More on topic: I hope that after the BW scene dies in Korea that there will be some more foreign tournaments, even if they don't have money on the line. There is a vocal minority of SC2 fans that think BW should die, but I know many others feel reverently about the game. Most people initially got the new game because of BW, even if they only played customs and BGH. I never see any BW tournaments streamed on TL but maybe when there is no BW in korea to watch we can see more of them pop up. I will certainly watch.


It is true. While I get that Terran has a lot more diversity and certainly more openers than the other races feel they have (especially Zerg) at the end of the day, for most people, a strong bio composition is all you need. You can toss in a few tanks, but the majority of your firepower is infantry. This has been seen in tonnes of games from pros over and over.

It simply doesn't have the depth of BW - and for most players there's no incentive to look for it when straight bio is enough to get you into master league.

Show nested quote +
On May 04 2012 12:55 DirtyCash wrote:
On May 04 2012 02:00 Mjolnir wrote:

SC2 is not worth it.

It's pretty and all but doesn't hold a candle to BW. I jumped on the SC2 bandwagon when beta came out and it wasn't too long before I realized how utterly lacking it is compared to BW. I stayed around for patch after patch thinking "this'll be the one that makes it great" and it just hasn't happened.

Honestly, the biggest disappointment is Terran.

I loved Terran in BW. It was such a great race to play. I feel bad for all the Terran BW fans moving to SC2 and how heartbroken they'll be to know that you play EVERY match up the same way.

BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO BIO

You can get into masters making marines, marauders, and medivacs. That's it - and many games medivacs will be optional.

Utterly heartbreaking.

To go from the dynamism of the Terran bio, bio/mech, mech, positional play of BW to SC2's marine/marauder faceroll style is just sad. It was - and still is - the biggest let-down of SC2 for me, a former Terran player. I imagine it will be for many of you as well.

EDIT: Spelling error.



Its hard to put that many factual errors and ignorant statements in a single post, quite a feat really. Terran is by far the deepest and most strategically diverse race in SC2. Thats a fact that even non-Terran players often bring up in balance discussions. "Bio only" and often optional medivacs? Complete and utter bullshit, you have to outplay your opponent by a large margin to win with that, especially in TvZ and TvT. You played 5 games in beta, congrats bro but you really dont know what you are talking about.


Thanks for your condescension, unfortunately it doesn't make me wrong.

Terran may be the deepest and most strategically diverse race in SC2 - and I suppose that's correct all things considered - so that being the case, that's a pretty sad statement on SC2 in general because it would suggest a) Zerg and Protoss are flat and boring as all hell (I would certainly agree) considering that b) BW Terran was far more interesting to play than SC2 Terran - requiring and/or utilizing vastly different strats (and entirely different units) to be effective vs. Protoss and Zerg.

I have consistently placed master league in SC2 with Zerg and Terran as my two main races since this game came out (well, diamond before there was master league) and I was a highly proficient BW player - so it's not like I'm talking out of my ass here. You can absolutely dominate with straight bio - there are pros who built a career out of this fact.

As for the "5 games in beta" comment - give me a break kid, I've probably been playing Starcraft RTS's since before you could hold a mouse. I'm glad you're a fan of SC2, that's great, but there's a reason many people (including many pros) think SC2 is lacking in technical depth and skill level when compared with BW. It's certainly not because they're basing those opinions off "5 games in beta."



Could you follow up on the bolded part? The only pro that I've ever actually heard (and can find evidence for) disparaging SC2 is IdrA. IdrA said he's talked to others that think the same way, but they could have just been polite and not wanting to argue with him.

I also think it's very telling that the one vocal player who hates SC2 and thinks it's too easy has a 26% win-rate in 2012.
If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe.
therockmanxx
Profile Joined July 2010
Peru1174 Posts
May 07 2012 19:14 GMT
#940
Well I guess that after BW there is only 1 logical direction I can go
SC2 Troll Here I go !!
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