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On March 27 2012 12:59 Kiett wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 12:53 RIPJAWS wrote:
any1 who thinks this is just a small rumor has clearly not got his head on straight if u guys thought about it for a sec its quite obvious BW is losing steam and fast and if u want competitive brood war to stay alive then u better embrace this because without sc2, BW will fall eventually fall whether u like it or not and even with sc2 BW is nearing the end of the line its a sad truth but life isnt just about having fun they need to make money from this it costs alot of money to run events like this and the money isnt going to BW its going to SC2 hey bro ever heard of periods i herd dey were pretty useful in separating clauses if u dont use dem ur entire paragraph is just this indecipherable clusterfuck of a run-on it really bothers me i'm pretty sure i'm not the only one either plz consider punctuating the next time u make an argument otherwise no1 will read it all your efforts will be for nothing just giving you a tip ok
sorry i would also appreciate it if you weren't so rude but ill definitely remember to punctuate my posts since it apparently makes you really angry. also just a small tip when replying to a post about punctuation you should probably attempt to spell properly. 
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If they make the same players play both games, it will just suck .The quality of the games would just go down so much though if players had to practice both games. It'd be awful to watch for everyone. I especially don't see how this will attract SC2 fans, as much more experienced players will be playing on GOM's leagues.
If it is just B-teamers playing SC2, it will still be bad because there are less practice partners for the BW players and these B-teamers won't be nearly as good as current top SC2 players.
The best case scenario is that all BW teams hire SC2 players (no idea how Team 8 will do this), which just means you see these SC2 players play much less often (as kespa teams wont let them play anywhere else) and there is still only 1/2 as many BW games as there used to be.
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Keep them in separate matches, I've no interest in a format like this, I mean it'd be annoying even if I liked SC2.
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on another note i also think this format is less than ideal they should keep the BW entirely separate from SC2 seeing the quality of games decline would basically mean that they would be putting the last nail in the coffin that is starcraft. the next problem is people are assuming the BW players will just come over to SC2 and dominate these are different games that are similar in various ways but differ in so many others; there are only a few players that will dominate and they are the cream of the crop of BW such as flash and Jaedong and a few others. The rest will fall into the average code A/ Code B players of Korea. I also think that having the games be played on separate day would be far better and improve the viewer-ship of both games. Another key factor for both games to succeed is for GOM and KESPA and OGN to all set there differences aside E-Sports still needs to grow to a much larger size than what we currently have any rivalry or monopoly at this stage in the growth of E-Sports will just bring it all crumbling to the ground.
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This is so disappointing  I HATE SC2!!!!!! BroodWar for life!!! I hope they don't follow through with this
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Lamest thing I've ever heard. At least let Brood War die with some dignity. If Flash is just gonna practice 50% Brood War and 50% SC2 the games are gonna suck 100% and there'll be no point watching at all.
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On March 27 2012 12:14 Sawamura wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 12:06 nekoconeco wrote:
I see this as a positive sign since it shows that they are trying to keep bw while adding sc2. Much better than if the rumor was that sc2 will replace bw entirely. Of course combining them into some weird Frankenstein tournament seems like a bad idea.
Either way the real threat is that bw and sc2 could eventually be replaced or sidelined by LoL. Which would be a much greater tragedy than a sc2/bw mash-up tournament. Greatest tragedy for me would be watching an awesome game of Broodwar and than suddenly on set 2 this weird 3d games that looks like starcraft pops up on screen and it isn't even as interesting as broodwar it self . Crowds will go ??? wtf is this .Koreans have been watching pro BW for a very long time and than you force feed them with sc2 . Some fan's may like it, some may not and if kespa gamble fail they may lose the whole fan base thanks to them adding sc2 in to the proleague system. If you ask me I rather have some other game take the throne of broodwar rather than sc2 .LoL or Dota2 is a much better successor in my opinion.
But why?
Dota style games have literally nothing to do with starcraft, they require a whole different kind of skillsets.
How on earth can they be considered a better successor than sc2?
It still is the same kind of game atleast, despite all of other differencies.(fast paced rts, build base, gather resources, build army, ??? win).
What you are saying basically is "Street fighter 4 is a worthy successor of counterstrike". It does not make any sense.
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On March 27 2012 02:49 endy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 02:43 corumjhaelen wrote:On March 27 2012 02:39 cuppatea wrote:On March 27 2012 02:37 corumjhaelen wrote:On March 27 2012 02:31 cuppatea wrote:
Flash was playing 60 games of SC2 a day while recovering from surgery, according to Naniwa at MLG. Yes, and my 80 years old grandmother opered twice of both hips runs a marathon every months. Good for her. Don't shoot the messenger, I'm just repeating what Naniwa said. I'm ready to belive Flash played a lot SC2 during that time, but could we post reasonable statements or at least give a warning ? It's the second time I read this, and last time there were apparently people believing it. Maybe the last week of his recovery I guess. Plus it's not exactly on topic either. Yeah it doesn't make sense. If we assume that the average game length is 15 minutes, that makes 15 hours a day. I don't think he even practices that much BW when he's in perfect shape, so while recovering from surgery ? What a joke.
For comparison, actual SC2 players play 30-40 games a day. , without being crippled. So yeah, Flash playing 60 a day while in the hospital for a bad wrist is a totally credible idea -_-
On March 27 2012 06:53 eviltomahawk wrote:In regards to who might play in this rumored BW/SC2 Proleague: Show nested quote +TIG> how would players react to an offer from BW pro teams?
Nestea> They would definitely consider it. What I heard was that they want players that are very bottom tiered, the ones who can't even break Code A. They want to buy them cheap and invest in them. Actually, I was approached for my opinions on which players are willing to come and for how much. They even asked me to introduce them and one player actually went. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=305648I think we may see teams approach the SC2/BW duality in many different ways. Assuming that what Hoejja said is correct, perhaps some teams may actually use their BW rosters for SC2. However, I think other teams will definitely try to use pilfered SC2 players, B-teamers, low-level A-teamers, and maybe a few A-teamers with name value rather than use their BW rosters, which may backfire on any plans to get fans of players to switch
I'm sure there'll be SOME switching, but it'll be lower-level A-teamers who wanted to switch anyway. No big-name players will switch to SC2 while BW is still around, unless playing BW 12 hours a day for years has led them to hate it.
Also, Naniwa's story isn't too far fetched. Nestea did an interview with Hwanni on Incredible Miracle's stream a few months ago, and apparently Nestea claims that Flash's play in SC2 is brilliant. How much SC2 that Flash did play isn't really known, but it can be assumed that every BW progamer has at least touched SC2 and has an opinion of it already.
It is physically impossible for Flash to be playing 60 games of SC2 a day while also practicing BW even a little.
On March 27 2012 09:25 Luepert wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 09:20 ShadeR wrote:On March 27 2012 09:08 Luepert wrote:
I am a new Starcraft fan, pretty much only ever seen sc2, I follow the BW scene and I watch proleague but Ihave absolutely no understanding of gameplay, I can tell what the fuck is going on. Personally I am happy at this becauuse I love sc2 and want to see it grow. I understand that BW people are sad and mad but I really don't share that as I have no attachment to BW.
Edit: I'm just a noob and this might be dumb but what I would want to see is BW/S2 team partnerships. Ogs/KT, IM/Khan, Slayers/Skt, that kind of thing, that would make the s2 part of the proleague more competitive as the BW pros probably won't be as good as top sc2 pros right away. Wouldnt be much of a partnership. You'd have large national and multinational coorps plus chicken shops? Then the BW teams should just buy the teams. It might be more likely that they just grab all they really good players but that would wreck the sc2 team community. Maybe it's unavoidable but I like at least calling it a partnership better.
All the current SC2 teams are going to be killed by the BW teams stealing all their good players.
And then, once the SC2 scene outside of KeSPA collapses, I wouldn't entirely put it past them to drop SC2 and go back to BW, effectively killing the competition. They don't play nice.
On March 27 2012 14:18 red4ce wrote:
Lamest thing I've ever heard. At least let Brood War die with some dignity. If Flash is just gonna practice 50% Brood War and 50% SC2 the games are gonna suck 100% and there'll be no point watching at all.
Flash is going to play 100% BW. Guaranteed. The BW teams are approaching potential talent on SC2 teams, and have no apparent interest in forcing the roster to switch.
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They have SC2 and BW together because BW tv ratings will help boost SC2 :O?
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Is nobody excited about the prospect of Jaedong/Flash/Bisu being sent out in an SC2 match? Or Boxer rejoining SKT1? I can imagine a lot of ways that this could be exciting, I can't believe that it's a mostly negative reaction to this (although it is being posted in the BW forum).
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On March 27 2012 15:18 thunk wrote:
Is nobody excited about the prospect of Jaedong/Flash/Bisu being sent out in an SC2 match? Or Boxer rejoining SKT1? I can imagine a lot of ways that this could be exciting, I can't believe that it's a mostly negative reaction to this (although it is being posted in the BW forum).
The only excitement I get is when I see Jaedong/Flash/Bisu/Stork is in the Ro8 osl finals in starcraft broodwar and nope boxer is never coming back to skt1 because he has his own team to manage now . I never liked the idea of mixing both this games together sc2 ain't broodwar and broodwar ain't sc2 simple as that .
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On March 27 2012 13:19 Ideas wrote:
If they make the same players play both games, it will just suck .The quality of the games would just go down so much though if players had to practice both games. It'd be awful to watch for everyone. I especially don't see how this will attract SC2 fans, as much more experienced players will be playing on GOM's leagues.
If it is just B-teamers playing SC2, it will still be bad because there are less practice partners for the BW players and these B-teamers won't be nearly as good as current top SC2 players.
The best case scenario is that all BW teams hire SC2 players (no idea how Team 8 will do this), which just means you see these SC2 players play much less often (as kespa teams wont let them play anywhere else) and there is still only 1/2 as many BW games as there used to be.
This just further exemplifies why this entire thing is a bad idea.
If the BW players double up on both games, they won't be that good at either and game quality will suck.
If it's just SC2 players, B-teamers, and low-level A-teamers, then it's going to backfire on their plans to facilitate the switch to SC2 through capitalizing on player-specific fanbases.
And Team 8 and Airforce Ace will absolutely struggle with the hybrid format as they are already stretched thin doing only BW as is. This certainly won't help Team 8's search for sponsors, and I don't think they have the number of players to facilitate a decent switch or dedicated SC2 squad. Ace players are especially going to struggle with switching since they are already stretched thin doing military stuff. Both teams are important to the scene, and it is just plain unfair and sad to see them being thrown under the bus if they are forced to go through with the hybrid format.
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Im wondering which Teammanagers support this decision since afaik KeSPA wont make such important changes without talking to its Teams (which founded it).
I guess KT wont care too much - they can easily buy entire NSHS or maybe join with IM.
Maybe SKT has some connections and wanna join with Slayers?
But the other Teams? are there any known bonds?
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I hate rumors...
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Keep the two games seperate please!
I don't watch BW and have no interest and likewise for many BW fans that don't watch SC2 this is just a lose-lose situation for all fans regardless of game.
Hope that they will run two seperate leagues!
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On March 27 2012 14:19 PlosionCornu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 12:14 Sawamura wrote:On March 27 2012 12:06 nekoconeco wrote:
I see this as a positive sign since it shows that they are trying to keep bw while adding sc2. Much better than if the rumor was that sc2 will replace bw entirely. Of course combining them into some weird Frankenstein tournament seems like a bad idea.
Either way the real threat is that bw and sc2 could eventually be replaced or sidelined by LoL. Which would be a much greater tragedy than a sc2/bw mash-up tournament. Greatest tragedy for me would be watching an awesome game of Broodwar and than suddenly on set 2 this weird 3d games that looks like starcraft pops up on screen and it isn't even as interesting as broodwar it self . Crowds will go ??? wtf is this .Koreans have been watching pro BW for a very long time and than you force feed them with sc2 . Some fan's may like it, some may not and if kespa gamble fail they may lose the whole fan base thanks to them adding sc2 in to the proleague system. If you ask me I rather have some other game take the throne of broodwar rather than sc2 .LoL or Dota2 is a much better successor in my opinion. But why? Dota style games have literally nothing to do with starcraft, they require a whole different kind of skillsets. How on earth can they be considered a better successor than sc2? It still is the same kind of game atleast, despite all of other differencies.(fast paced rts, build base, gather resources, build army, ??? win). What you are saying basically is "Street fighter 4 is a worthy successor of counterstrike". It does not make any sense.
Get with the times. RTS is dead and mobile gaming is the future.
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How adding SC2 to starleague will solve the any problem, thats a horrible idea
If they just want in increase the rating they should just disband broodwar completely and play LOL all the long lol
I just dont understand this decision, the new tendency is to play MOBA games
I know !!they should play dota2 between games !! much better than SC2 kekeke
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On March 27 2012 15:18 thunk wrote:
Is nobody excited about the prospect of Jaedong/Flash/Bisu being sent out in an SC2 match? Or Boxer rejoining SKT1? I can imagine a lot of ways that this could be exciting, I can't believe that it's a mostly negative reaction to this (although it is being posted in the BW forum).
Uh, no. Them playing SC2 means they're not playing BW, so I'd say that's the very polar opposite of exciting.
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On March 27 2012 20:12 ShadeR wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 14:19 PlosionCornu wrote:On March 27 2012 12:14 Sawamura wrote:On March 27 2012 12:06 nekoconeco wrote:
I see this as a positive sign since it shows that they are trying to keep bw while adding sc2. Much better than if the rumor was that sc2 will replace bw entirely. Of course combining them into some weird Frankenstein tournament seems like a bad idea.
Either way the real threat is that bw and sc2 could eventually be replaced or sidelined by LoL. Which would be a much greater tragedy than a sc2/bw mash-up tournament. Greatest tragedy for me would be watching an awesome game of Broodwar and than suddenly on set 2 this weird 3d games that looks like starcraft pops up on screen and it isn't even as interesting as broodwar it self . Crowds will go ??? wtf is this .Koreans have been watching pro BW for a very long time and than you force feed them with sc2 . Some fan's may like it, some may not and if kespa gamble fail they may lose the whole fan base thanks to them adding sc2 in to the proleague system. If you ask me I rather have some other game take the throne of broodwar rather than sc2 .LoL or Dota2 is a much better successor in my opinion. But why? Dota style games have literally nothing to do with starcraft, they require a whole different kind of skillsets. How on earth can they be considered a better successor than sc2? It still is the same kind of game atleast, despite all of other differencies.(fast paced rts, build base, gather resources, build army, ??? win). What you are saying basically is "Street fighter 4 is a worthy successor of counterstrike". It does not make any sense. Get with the times. RTS is dead and mobile gaming is the future.
I hope ur trollin..
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I watch a ton of both, but this format sounds pretty silly.
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