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On April 03 2012 04:33 Apex wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2012 03:59 Skwid1g wrote:On April 03 2012 03:55 Taekwon wrote:On April 03 2012 03:40 duncan.mc wrote:On April 03 2012 02:53 hauton wrote:
This makes no sense
SC2 has zero traction in Korea anyways. It's long past its expiry date. Nobody cares about a game released nearly 2 years ago.
Mixing SC2 with BW won't get me to start watching SC2, I'll just stop watching BW. Period. You're using this argument as a BW fan? Uh, huh. Except Brood War just so happens to already be the rave. Use your head. Except s c2 does have a huge fanbase outside of Korea.They're trying to garner more attention inside Korea as well as getting the foreign fans to watch like GOM has. With that being said, they shouldn't be together in any way. Same teams for both games would be nice, but neither team should influence one another. Having sc2 being mixed with BW doesn't make sense imo, I enjoy watching sc2 but mixing them is an AWFUL idea. I'm hoping it's just a separate team league for SC2, but I guess we'll see. Meh, it seems to be more high-profile but not necessarily huge fanbase. Someone earlier said it best: zealous but not large.
So many people here are so blind, sc2 has a huuuuuge fanbase outside of korea man, just look at MLGs and streams and stuff. I don't care for the game and wouldn't even be sad if the entire sc2 scene died overnight, but to say it isn't really popular is just delusional.
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People seems to often miss the point. Professional BW is on the decline since what 2008? OGN simply doesn't make enough money off BW. Sponsors are hard to find, Viewership is dropping, etc. Their next move is to slowly transition to sc2 now that GOM exclusivity contract expired. While doing that transition they want to keep the viewer base that BW has, thus why mixing proleague games. When some big names switch to sc2, some of their fans will follow them and it will create a "buzz" around starcraft 2.
In the end it's a buisness and buisness is about money, some seems to have forgot that. No matter how hard you praise bw for being the superior game, that is not what will make it succeed in 2012.
+ Show Spoiler +Cellphone games it where it's at
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It's better than no BW, but it sucks.
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On April 03 2012 05:02 Megaliskuu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2012 04:33 Apex wrote:On April 03 2012 03:59 Skwid1g wrote:On April 03 2012 03:55 Taekwon wrote:On April 03 2012 03:40 duncan.mc wrote:On April 03 2012 02:53 hauton wrote:
This makes no sense
SC2 has zero traction in Korea anyways. It's long past its expiry date. Nobody cares about a game released nearly 2 years ago.
Mixing SC2 with BW won't get me to start watching SC2, I'll just stop watching BW. Period. You're using this argument as a BW fan? Uh, huh. Except Brood War just so happens to already be the rave. Use your head. Except s c2 does have a huge fanbase outside of Korea.They're trying to garner more attention inside Korea as well as getting the foreign fans to watch like GOM has. With that being said, they shouldn't be together in any way. Same teams for both games would be nice, but neither team should influence one another. Having sc2 being mixed with BW doesn't make sense imo, I enjoy watching sc2 but mixing them is an AWFUL idea. I'm hoping it's just a separate team league for SC2, but I guess we'll see. Meh, it seems to be more high-profile but not necessarily huge fanbase. Someone earlier said it best: zealous but not large. So many people here are so blind, sc2 has a huuuuuge fanbase outside of korea man, just look at MLGs and streams and stuff. I don't care for the game and wouldn't even be sad if the entire sc2 scene died overnight, but to say it isn't really popular is just delusional.
Popular/huge are subjective terms. MLGs best numbers were 250k I believe and GSL seems to average a few hundred thousand on its code S vods. (this isn't all of the sc2 fans either, but I imagine it makes up the core percentage that can be classified as solid fans)
Now hundreds of thousands is certainly a lot of people, much more than most of us can picture, but it pales (and I mean pales) in comparison to BW at its height and it is still considerably less than the Korea fan base to this day.
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On April 03 2012 05:59 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2012 05:02 Megaliskuu wrote:On April 03 2012 04:33 Apex wrote:On April 03 2012 03:59 Skwid1g wrote:On April 03 2012 03:55 Taekwon wrote:On April 03 2012 03:40 duncan.mc wrote:On April 03 2012 02:53 hauton wrote:
This makes no sense
SC2 has zero traction in Korea anyways. It's long past its expiry date. Nobody cares about a game released nearly 2 years ago.
Mixing SC2 with BW won't get me to start watching SC2, I'll just stop watching BW. Period. You're using this argument as a BW fan? Uh, huh. Except Brood War just so happens to already be the rave. Use your head. Except s c2 does have a huge fanbase outside of Korea.They're trying to garner more attention inside Korea as well as getting the foreign fans to watch like GOM has. With that being said, they shouldn't be together in any way. Same teams for both games would be nice, but neither team should influence one another. Having sc2 being mixed with BW doesn't make sense imo, I enjoy watching sc2 but mixing them is an AWFUL idea. I'm hoping it's just a separate team league for SC2, but I guess we'll see. Meh, it seems to be more high-profile but not necessarily huge fanbase. Someone earlier said it best: zealous but not large. So many people here are so blind, sc2 has a huuuuuge fanbase outside of korea man, just look at MLGs and streams and stuff. I don't care for the game and wouldn't even be sad if the entire sc2 scene died overnight, but to say it isn't really popular is just delusional. Popular/huge are subjective terms. MLGs best numbers were 250k I believe and GSL seems to average a few hundred thousand on its code S vods. (this isn't all of the sc2 fans either, but I imagine it makes up the core percentage that can be classified as solid fans) Now hundreds of thousands is certainly a lot of people, much more than most of us can picture, but it pales (and I mean pales) in comparison to BW at its height and it is still considerably less than the Korea fan base to this day.
I don't feel like you can meaningfully compare the numbers you're trying to compare here. You're measuring Brood War fans based on national cable TV and Starcraft II fans based on paying to watch VODs or simultaneous online stream viewers. I just don't see what conclusion there is to draw here.
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On April 03 2012 06:04 TestSubject893 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2012 05:59 1Eris1 wrote:On April 03 2012 05:02 Megaliskuu wrote:On April 03 2012 04:33 Apex wrote:On April 03 2012 03:59 Skwid1g wrote:On April 03 2012 03:55 Taekwon wrote:On April 03 2012 03:40 duncan.mc wrote:On April 03 2012 02:53 hauton wrote:
This makes no sense
SC2 has zero traction in Korea anyways. It's long past its expiry date. Nobody cares about a game released nearly 2 years ago.
Mixing SC2 with BW won't get me to start watching SC2, I'll just stop watching BW. Period. You're using this argument as a BW fan? Uh, huh. Except Brood War just so happens to already be the rave. Use your head. Except s c2 does have a huge fanbase outside of Korea.They're trying to garner more attention inside Korea as well as getting the foreign fans to watch like GOM has. With that being said, they shouldn't be together in any way. Same teams for both games would be nice, but neither team should influence one another. Having sc2 being mixed with BW doesn't make sense imo, I enjoy watching sc2 but mixing them is an AWFUL idea. I'm hoping it's just a separate team league for SC2, but I guess we'll see. Meh, it seems to be more high-profile but not necessarily huge fanbase. Someone earlier said it best: zealous but not large. So many people here are so blind, sc2 has a huuuuuge fanbase outside of korea man, just look at MLGs and streams and stuff. I don't care for the game and wouldn't even be sad if the entire sc2 scene died overnight, but to say it isn't really popular is just delusional. Popular/huge are subjective terms. MLGs best numbers were 250k I believe and GSL seems to average a few hundred thousand on its code S vods. (this isn't all of the sc2 fans either, but I imagine it makes up the core percentage that can be classified as solid fans) Now hundreds of thousands is certainly a lot of people, much more than most of us can picture, but it pales (and I mean pales) in comparison to BW at its height and it is still considerably less than the Korea fan base to this day. I don't feel like you can meaningfully compare the numbers you're trying to compare here. You're measuring Brood War fans based on national cable TV and Starcraft II fans based on paying to watch VODs or simultaneous online stream viewers. I just don't see what conclusion there is to draw here.
As you cant compare BW culture in Korea with one game more (SC2), BW was first a success in Korea and then went to TV, not the other way, I am very sceptical about SC2 doing well in Korea TV, Kespa and OGN are going to try to milk the foreign base in some way, because SC2 is not even in the 20th first games played in PC Bangs, so how could you hope that is going to be a success when people in Korea have dismissed it for two long years?, and other games are thriving over there.
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On April 03 2012 06:04 TestSubject893 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2012 05:59 1Eris1 wrote:On April 03 2012 05:02 Megaliskuu wrote:On April 03 2012 04:33 Apex wrote:On April 03 2012 03:59 Skwid1g wrote:On April 03 2012 03:55 Taekwon wrote:On April 03 2012 03:40 duncan.mc wrote:On April 03 2012 02:53 hauton wrote:
This makes no sense
SC2 has zero traction in Korea anyways. It's long past its expiry date. Nobody cares about a game released nearly 2 years ago.
Mixing SC2 with BW won't get me to start watching SC2, I'll just stop watching BW. Period. You're using this argument as a BW fan? Uh, huh. Except Brood War just so happens to already be the rave. Use your head. Except s c2 does have a huge fanbase outside of Korea.They're trying to garner more attention inside Korea as well as getting the foreign fans to watch like GOM has. With that being said, they shouldn't be together in any way. Same teams for both games would be nice, but neither team should influence one another. Having sc2 being mixed with BW doesn't make sense imo, I enjoy watching sc2 but mixing them is an AWFUL idea. I'm hoping it's just a separate team league for SC2, but I guess we'll see. Meh, it seems to be more high-profile but not necessarily huge fanbase. Someone earlier said it best: zealous but not large. So many people here are so blind, sc2 has a huuuuuge fanbase outside of korea man, just look at MLGs and streams and stuff. I don't care for the game and wouldn't even be sad if the entire sc2 scene died overnight, but to say it isn't really popular is just delusional. Popular/huge are subjective terms. MLGs best numbers were 250k I believe and GSL seems to average a few hundred thousand on its code S vods. (this isn't all of the sc2 fans either, but I imagine it makes up the core percentage that can be classified as solid fans) Now hundreds of thousands is certainly a lot of people, much more than most of us can picture, but it pales (and I mean pales) in comparison to BW at its height and it is still considerably less than the Korea fan base to this day. I don't feel like you can meaningfully compare the numbers you're trying to compare here. You're measuring Brood War fans based on national cable TV and Starcraft II fans based on paying to watch VODs or simultaneous online stream viewers. I just don't see what conclusion there is to draw here.
You're correct of course, but I'm just trying to go off a basic point here.
If BW was done via vods/online obviously there would be less average viewers and if sc2 was on tv I'm sure it would gain a few more fans via exposure but...
There are several SC2 vods with millions of views on them, but these viewing numbers have not stayed consistent. It's not like most people haven't heard of sc2 (regarding the gamer demographic that is), they just haven't become fans of the game despite exposure.
Ultimately, exposure helps, but it seems to follow the law of diminishing returns. If we want to argue specific numbers and the like, that's a different story, but the point was on a basic level, the sc2 fan base is smaller than that of bw's. I think that's pretty obvious.
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On April 03 2012 06:24 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2012 06:04 TestSubject893 wrote:On April 03 2012 05:59 1Eris1 wrote:On April 03 2012 05:02 Megaliskuu wrote:On April 03 2012 04:33 Apex wrote:On April 03 2012 03:59 Skwid1g wrote:On April 03 2012 03:55 Taekwon wrote:On April 03 2012 03:40 duncan.mc wrote:On April 03 2012 02:53 hauton wrote:
This makes no sense
SC2 has zero traction in Korea anyways. It's long past its expiry date. Nobody cares about a game released nearly 2 years ago.
Mixing SC2 with BW won't get me to start watching SC2, I'll just stop watching BW. Period. You're using this argument as a BW fan? Uh, huh. Except Brood War just so happens to already be the rave. Use your head. Except s c2 does have a huge fanbase outside of Korea.They're trying to garner more attention inside Korea as well as getting the foreign fans to watch like GOM has. With that being said, they shouldn't be together in any way. Same teams for both games would be nice, but neither team should influence one another. Having sc2 being mixed with BW doesn't make sense imo, I enjoy watching sc2 but mixing them is an AWFUL idea. I'm hoping it's just a separate team league for SC2, but I guess we'll see. Meh, it seems to be more high-profile but not necessarily huge fanbase. Someone earlier said it best: zealous but not large. So many people here are so blind, sc2 has a huuuuuge fanbase outside of korea man, just look at MLGs and streams and stuff. I don't care for the game and wouldn't even be sad if the entire sc2 scene died overnight, but to say it isn't really popular is just delusional. Popular/huge are subjective terms. MLGs best numbers were 250k I believe and GSL seems to average a few hundred thousand on its code S vods. (this isn't all of the sc2 fans either, but I imagine it makes up the core percentage that can be classified as solid fans) Now hundreds of thousands is certainly a lot of people, much more than most of us can picture, but it pales (and I mean pales) in comparison to BW at its height and it is still considerably less than the Korea fan base to this day. I don't feel like you can meaningfully compare the numbers you're trying to compare here. You're measuring Brood War fans based on national cable TV and Starcraft II fans based on paying to watch VODs or simultaneous online stream viewers. I just don't see what conclusion there is to draw here. You're correct of course, but I'm just trying to go off a basic point here. If BW was done via vods/online obviously there would be less average viewers and if sc2 was on tv I'm sure it would gain a few more fans via exposure but... There are several SC2 vods with millions of views on them, but these viewing numbers have not stayed consistent. It's not like most people haven't heard of sc2 (regarding the gamer demographic that is), they just haven't become fans of the game despite exposure. Ultimately, exposure helps, but it seems to follow the law of diminishing returns. If we want to argue specific numbers and the like, that's a different story, but the point was on a basic level, the sc2 fan base is smaller than that of bw's. I think that's pretty obvious.
You seem more knowledgeable about the details than me. I wouldn't say its obvious (to me) that Brood War's fan base is larger, but there are definitely a lot aspects of it that are more appealing to KeSPA. The fact that Starcraft II's fans are so much less dense (literally all over the world instead of one relatively small country) makes me hesitate to say that Brood War for sure has a larger number of fans. Also, like I implied before, I don't even think it matters which number is bigger, since they are obviously very different demographics.
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On April 03 2012 05:59 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2012 05:02 Megaliskuu wrote:On April 03 2012 04:33 Apex wrote:On April 03 2012 03:59 Skwid1g wrote:On April 03 2012 03:55 Taekwon wrote:On April 03 2012 03:40 duncan.mc wrote:On April 03 2012 02:53 hauton wrote:
This makes no sense
SC2 has zero traction in Korea anyways. It's long past its expiry date. Nobody cares about a game released nearly 2 years ago.
Mixing SC2 with BW won't get me to start watching SC2, I'll just stop watching BW. Period. You're using this argument as a BW fan? Uh, huh. Except Brood War just so happens to already be the rave. Use your head. Except s c2 does have a huge fanbase outside of Korea.They're trying to garner more attention inside Korea as well as getting the foreign fans to watch like GOM has. With that being said, they shouldn't be together in any way. Same teams for both games would be nice, but neither team should influence one another. Having sc2 being mixed with BW doesn't make sense imo, I enjoy watching sc2 but mixing them is an AWFUL idea. I'm hoping it's just a separate team league for SC2, but I guess we'll see. Meh, it seems to be more high-profile but not necessarily huge fanbase. Someone earlier said it best: zealous but not large. So many people here are so blind, sc2 has a huuuuuge fanbase outside of korea man, just look at MLGs and streams and stuff. I don't care for the game and wouldn't even be sad if the entire sc2 scene died overnight, but to say it isn't really popular is just delusional. Popular/huge are subjective terms. MLGs best numbers were 250k I believe and GSL seems to average a few hundred thousand on its code S vods. (this isn't all of the sc2 fans either, but I imagine it makes up the core percentage that can be classified as solid fans) Now hundreds of thousands is certainly a lot of people, much more than most of us can picture, but it pales (and I mean pales) in comparison to BW at its height and it is still considerably less than the Korea fan base to this day.
Great. My bet is BW in Korea was more popular than SC2 will ever be in Korea.
But unfortunately Kespa doesn't get money based on past viewership. They're betting (and are probably right) that more people will watch SC2 than will watch BW now.
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so anything new yet?
I see people fighting but no new information
can't we all just get along?
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On April 03 2012 07:35 Soft`Soap wrote:
so anything new yet?
I see people fighting but no new information
can't we all just get along?
It's been somewhat confirmed-ish that there will be BW/SC2 in PL combined. Just basing on the recent OSL Prelim Winner's Interview.
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On April 03 2012 09:52 shaftofpleasure wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2012 07:35 Soft`Soap wrote:
so anything new yet?
I see people fighting but no new information
can't we all just get along?
It's been somewhat confirmed-ish that there will be BW/SC2 in PL combined. Just basing on the recent OSL Prelim Winner's Interview.
Which interview was this?
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On April 03 2012 10:07 YyapSsap wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2012 09:52 shaftofpleasure wrote:On April 03 2012 07:35 Soft`Soap wrote:
so anything new yet?
I see people fighting but no new information
can't we all just get along?
It's been somewhat confirmed-ish that there will be BW/SC2 in PL combined. Just basing on the recent OSL Prelim Winner's Interview. Which interview was this?
Looking at the interviews only a couple mentioned sc2 on how they thought about it but nothing really in depth maybe I missed some but the fact they are asking sc2 questions (just one to a few unless again I missed some just browsing through it) some sort of sc2 is definitely happening.
Someone should translate some korean reactions to this as I am kinda curiou show they feel about it  .
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On April 03 2012 10:07 YyapSsap wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2012 09:52 shaftofpleasure wrote:On April 03 2012 07:35 Soft`Soap wrote:
so anything new yet?
I see people fighting but no new information
can't we all just get along?
It's been somewhat confirmed-ish that there will be BW/SC2 in PL combined. Just basing on the recent OSL Prelim Winner's Interview. Which interview was this?
It's the interviews for the winners of the OSL Prelims which should be in this same subforum.
There's major hints towards a combined BW/SC2 with Bogus's and Horang2's statements particularly. The former talking about TvT in SC2 and the latter talking about practicing for both BW/SC2 at the same time.
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Just read the interview as fomos, looks like they aren't censoring SC2 related stuff in the interviews anymore.
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On April 03 2012 03:55 Taekwon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2012 03:40 duncan.mc wrote:On April 03 2012 02:53 hauton wrote:
This makes no sense
SC2 has zero traction in Korea anyways. It's long past its expiry date. Nobody cares about a game released nearly 2 years ago.
Mixing SC2 with BW won't get me to start watching SC2, I'll just stop watching BW. Period. You're using this argument as a BW fan? Uh, huh. Except Brood War just so happens to already be the rave. Use your head.
And you're using an equally ignominious argument to retort? Brood War just so happened to be the rave upon it's release. Uh, huh. Use your head.
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Tbh, if SC2 was pushed by KESPA/OGN/MBCgames during the earlier days instead of GOM, Id think it would have gained alot more traction in Korea atleast.
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On April 03 2012 10:34 YyapSsap wrote:
Tbh, if SC2 was pushed by KESPA/OGN/MBCgames during the earlier days instead of GOM, Id think it would have gained alot more traction in Korea atleast.
Probably. The question now is how much traction can they give it by backing it now?
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Please someone confirm this is all BS. I can't even imagine how awkward this would be, and even the audience will be confused. This is going to be torture for both BW hardcore fans and SC2 fans that have no clue about BW. God there has to be other ways to try to slip SC2 down our throats without ruining BW.
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I remember netizen referring to it as ultimate humiliation, where BW is allowed to barely live on just to serve as bonus package deal, and I concur.
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