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On March 24 2012 04:37 Kiett wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 04:32 HyruleanTubist wrote:On March 24 2012 04:24 jellyfish wrote:On March 24 2012 04:17 HyruleanTubist wrote:On March 24 2012 04:11 jellyfish wrote:On March 24 2012 03:54 HyruleanTubist wrote:On March 24 2012 03:45 jaQi wrote:On March 24 2012 03:44 HyruleanTubist wrote:
That actually sounds really awesome to me. I'd watch the shit out of this if this happens. I wonder how the teams are going to work, will the BW teams and SC2 teams combine somehow? You serious? Yep. Could be sweet. Both games are awesome (never understood why we can't just all love Starcraft, no matter which game it is), and it would create some interesting dynamics during a match. You need to have a solid squad of both SC2 and BW players to be a top team. Teams won't be able to rely on a single player, a single race, or even a single game. Most importantly, I would get to watch both BW and SC2 at once ^^ This whole "just love starcraft" thing isn't fooling anybody. Starcraft 2 fans can't claim "it's a different game!" one day and then say "just love STARCRAFT" the next. everyone knows they're two different games. some people prefer one, others prefer the other. which is okay, just don't try and force people to convert under the paper-thin guise of "starcraft unity," or even "ESPORTS" But...but ESPORTS! I understand if you don't like one of the games, my friends who started with SC2 can't even look at BW, claiming it an eyesore. Now they do this just to piss me off, but what can I do, they don't like it. I'd still watch this league, even if diehard BW and SC2 fans both won't watch because the other game is involved (they aren't so different, are they). I might be a little optimistic with the "unify the fanbase" but I can't help myself :p lol yes, they are very different. just because you like both doesn't mean you like them for the same reasons. if i love watching both basketball and baseball, does that make them both equivalent sports? they've both got the word "ball" in them... Yeah so it might be terrible. I'm willing to give this league a shot, though. You don't want to see an inning of baseball followed by a quarter of basketball? Played by the same team? Followed up with a period of hockey? And an ace match with a set of tennis? I might watch that. It wouldn't be as beautiful as a SPL or GSL, but I'd certainly get some entertainment. ???? If I wanted to watch basketball, I'd go watch pros play basketball. If I wanted to watch tennis, I'd go watch pros play tennis. Why the fuck would I want to watch a hockey player try to play baseball? We watch players play their specific game/sport for a reason: because they're good at it.Sure, it'd be hilarious the first time, but this isn't some "oh, i just want to see what it's like" one-time deal either. It's 4 days a week, every week for months. The novelty will wear off, and then it'll just be, "god these guys suck at everything because they're trying to play too much shit at once."
Well, I'm sure it would be different players. They don't even let BW pros play more than one race to be competitive, another game is clearly out of bounds. The reason I think this is silly is because it would make the league less legitimate, more gimmicky, and overall the results would be less meaningful. It makes a mockery out of the game.
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Hm since I love both games I don't mind it, but it is a little weird at the same time if this does happen. I would watch as again I love to watch both but watching bw then next game being sc2 would be weird but interesting.
My guess as to why they are doing it this way is to see how fans react to sc2 is my guess as they come to watch bw but will also see sc2 unless they don't want to watch the bw parts.
I can kind of see why they would do this because it is possible if they do just sc2 right now since its possible none of the korean bw fans have played/watched sc2 much, might not be as much of a show up so to get them to see it they have both and they'll get opinions on that.
It will be interesting to me non the less but I imagine a lot of people here will hate it 
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What a nonsensical idea.
Game-mixing is a hate crime against humanity. Burn game-mixers!
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Katowice25012 Posts
This is a really silly idea but is also the third time a Korean reporter has speculated about it, which makes me think there is at least a bit of truth behind the idea.
I'd probably watch it but it really seems like it would hurt the game quality for both BW and SC2, leaving no one happy with how it plays out.
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err, well.. I'll just pretend I didn't read most of that and will go with:
Wohoooo ACE Match is back! 
(fuck the rest :[ )
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On March 24 2012 04:48 Chef wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 04:37 Kiett wrote:On March 24 2012 04:32 HyruleanTubist wrote:On March 24 2012 04:24 jellyfish wrote:On March 24 2012 04:17 HyruleanTubist wrote:On March 24 2012 04:11 jellyfish wrote:On March 24 2012 03:54 HyruleanTubist wrote:On March 24 2012 03:45 jaQi wrote:On March 24 2012 03:44 HyruleanTubist wrote:
That actually sounds really awesome to me. I'd watch the shit out of this if this happens. I wonder how the teams are going to work, will the BW teams and SC2 teams combine somehow? You serious? Yep. Could be sweet. Both games are awesome (never understood why we can't just all love Starcraft, no matter which game it is), and it would create some interesting dynamics during a match. You need to have a solid squad of both SC2 and BW players to be a top team. Teams won't be able to rely on a single player, a single race, or even a single game. Most importantly, I would get to watch both BW and SC2 at once ^^ This whole "just love starcraft" thing isn't fooling anybody. Starcraft 2 fans can't claim "it's a different game!" one day and then say "just love STARCRAFT" the next. everyone knows they're two different games. some people prefer one, others prefer the other. which is okay, just don't try and force people to convert under the paper-thin guise of "starcraft unity," or even "ESPORTS" But...but ESPORTS! I understand if you don't like one of the games, my friends who started with SC2 can't even look at BW, claiming it an eyesore. Now they do this just to piss me off, but what can I do, they don't like it. I'd still watch this league, even if diehard BW and SC2 fans both won't watch because the other game is involved (they aren't so different, are they). I might be a little optimistic with the "unify the fanbase" but I can't help myself :p lol yes, they are very different. just because you like both doesn't mean you like them for the same reasons. if i love watching both basketball and baseball, does that make them both equivalent sports? they've both got the word "ball" in them... Yeah so it might be terrible. I'm willing to give this league a shot, though. You don't want to see an inning of baseball followed by a quarter of basketball? Played by the same team? Followed up with a period of hockey? And an ace match with a set of tennis? I might watch that. It wouldn't be as beautiful as a SPL or GSL, but I'd certainly get some entertainment. ???? If I wanted to watch basketball, I'd go watch pros play basketball. If I wanted to watch tennis, I'd go watch pros play tennis. Why the fuck would I want to watch a hockey player try to play baseball? We watch players play their specific game/sport for a reason: because they're good at it.Sure, it'd be hilarious the first time, but this isn't some "oh, i just want to see what it's like" one-time deal either. It's 4 days a week, every week for months. The novelty will wear off, and then it'll just be, "god these guys suck at everything because they're trying to play too much shit at once." Well, I'm sure it would be different players. They don't even let BW pros play more than one race to be competitive, another game is clearly out of bounds. The reason I think this is silly is because it would make the league less legitimate, more gimmicky, and overall the results would be less meaningful. It makes a mockery out of the game.
Well, that's what I would have always assumed... but then you always have these fun Milkis-esque people who pop in regularly to make some snide remark about how everyone's been playing bad this season because they're too busy practicing SC2 ^_^
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United States10328 Posts
lol, reminds me of Ultimate Proleague (like some have pointed out).
Seems sorta artificial D:
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On March 24 2012 04:42 yawnoC wrote:
This idea popped into my head once but I didn't think they would actually do it because IMO it is a stupid idea. The only reason to do it is to slowly introduce the BW Purists to a new game slowly.
The vast majority of people who were interested in SC2 already made the transition. We're talking about a trinkle.
Blizzard would be better off releasing HotS and making sure they don't make the same mistakes twice.
On March 24 2012 04:50 heyoka wrote:
This is a really silly idea but is also the third time a Korean reporter has speculated about it, which makes me think there is at least a bit of truth behind the idea.
I'd probably watch it but it really seems like it would hurt the game quality for both BW and SC2, leaving no one happy with how it plays out.
I definitely think there is a little bit of truth in it and we've been hearing all sorts of rumors like this for a while. This is how I imagined it to go, but now that everyone is chiming in why not let loose?
We've had bush league stuff happen in the past with KeSPA and I was hoping they would avoid something like this again, but meh.
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It would be a nice idea for trolling both SC2 and BW fans.
It's a terrible idea if it becomes a reality
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On March 24 2012 02:31 Milkis wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 02:31 sinistral wrote:
I believe the community would be receptive to actual facts for discussion rather than news that may or may not be true. I appreciate that news about the future of BW is being posted here, but you know, you can have a single thread where such rumors be consolidated and discussed. People call it "rumors", yes. But read between the lines: "Why would this article be placed?" Plus there's couple solid facts in there that's pretty aligned with what I know and what we all observed when Mike Morhaime went to watch a PL Game.
Milkis should play Mafia.
Personally, I'm not going to get all bent out of shape one way or the other. This is still just all rumors at this point.
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On March 24 2012 03:15 howLiN wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 03:10 SlowBullets wrote:On March 24 2012 03:07 howLiN wrote:On March 24 2012 01:39 Jealous wrote:
This way I can be an elitist and tell SC2 fans tales about the good days when good games were getting good ratings and were making good money for good sponsors, and how their game and its backers destroyed it all. That's really unnecessary... If anything SC2 is bringing a new level of progaming outside Korea. lol "level" "progaming" i really don't think so...if anything the levels are way significantly worse. That's irrelevant if there literally wasn't any level of progaming outside of Korea at all before SC2. And programing implies to make a living playing a game competitively ( regardless of skill), so I don't know what the quotation marks are for other than to be condescendant.
I am going to base this entirely off of your assertions:
I think what he was trying to say, and something I agree with, is that a game that can be played competitively for money regardless of skill (I'm guessing you meant relative skill not absolute skill? Because if there was no skill at all then...) is not a game that I would
1. Want to watch
2. Want to watch over a game that does not operate regardless of skill
3. Want to watch that game intermitently with the game that does in a single league
4. Consider to be bring a "new level" of progaming.
It is bringing a new level of accessibility, not progaming - people who would never be able to crack it in BW are now competing against each other, and that's a great thing that there is some outlet for people who want to play games competitively outside of the intense level of skill necessary for BW. The foreign scene surely flourished because of this availability, and I'm happy for you guys. However, don't say that this brought a "new level of progaming" unless you mean a lower, less exclusive level (defense: you yourself said that it is regardless of skill).
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On March 24 2012 04:48 Chef wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 04:37 Kiett wrote:On March 24 2012 04:32 HyruleanTubist wrote:On March 24 2012 04:24 jellyfish wrote:On March 24 2012 04:17 HyruleanTubist wrote:On March 24 2012 04:11 jellyfish wrote:On March 24 2012 03:54 HyruleanTubist wrote:On March 24 2012 03:45 jaQi wrote:On March 24 2012 03:44 HyruleanTubist wrote:
That actually sounds really awesome to me. I'd watch the shit out of this if this happens. I wonder how the teams are going to work, will the BW teams and SC2 teams combine somehow? You serious? Yep. Could be sweet. Both games are awesome (never understood why we can't just all love Starcraft, no matter which game it is), and it would create some interesting dynamics during a match. You need to have a solid squad of both SC2 and BW players to be a top team. Teams won't be able to rely on a single player, a single race, or even a single game. Most importantly, I would get to watch both BW and SC2 at once ^^ This whole "just love starcraft" thing isn't fooling anybody. Starcraft 2 fans can't claim "it's a different game!" one day and then say "just love STARCRAFT" the next. everyone knows they're two different games. some people prefer one, others prefer the other. which is okay, just don't try and force people to convert under the paper-thin guise of "starcraft unity," or even "ESPORTS" But...but ESPORTS! I understand if you don't like one of the games, my friends who started with SC2 can't even look at BW, claiming it an eyesore. Now they do this just to piss me off, but what can I do, they don't like it. I'd still watch this league, even if diehard BW and SC2 fans both won't watch because the other game is involved (they aren't so different, are they). I might be a little optimistic with the "unify the fanbase" but I can't help myself :p lol yes, they are very different. just because you like both doesn't mean you like them for the same reasons. if i love watching both basketball and baseball, does that make them both equivalent sports? they've both got the word "ball" in them... Yeah so it might be terrible. I'm willing to give this league a shot, though. You don't want to see an inning of baseball followed by a quarter of basketball? Played by the same team? Followed up with a period of hockey? And an ace match with a set of tennis? I might watch that. It wouldn't be as beautiful as a SPL or GSL, but I'd certainly get some entertainment. ???? If I wanted to watch basketball, I'd go watch pros play basketball. If I wanted to watch tennis, I'd go watch pros play tennis. Why the fuck would I want to watch a hockey player try to play baseball? We watch players play their specific game/sport for a reason: because they're good at it.Sure, it'd be hilarious the first time, but this isn't some "oh, i just want to see what it's like" one-time deal either. It's 4 days a week, every week for months. The novelty will wear off, and then it'll just be, "god these guys suck at everything because they're trying to play too much shit at once." Well, I'm sure it would be different players. They don't even let BW pros play more than one race to be competitive, another game is clearly out of bounds. The reason I think this is silly is because it would make the league less legitimate, more gimmicky, and overall the results would be less meaningful. It makes a mockery out of the game.
They already cut regular season games down to 5. We got a lot of 3-1 and a few 3-0s. I would just have two leagues and stick with the bo5 format as it doesn't run that long at all.
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Kind of sad to see all the hate towards SC2 by certain BW fans. It's just a rumor and it obviously won't happen, lol. How could it?
...and everybody does not hate SC2 in Korea like some in here's trying to make it. It's small compared to BW but the last finals was both very full (as have all been the last year) and the VOD's getting closer to a million views (the korean only one). Korean SC2 is still bigger in terms of viewer numbers than the rest of the world combined in SC2. Yes I know that's nothing compared to BW ofc. I love both games.
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On March 24 2012 04:44 hellbound wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 04:41 ravemir wrote:
Wow, wait, when I posted I never thought that my opinion would be the polar opposite of the general consensus.
Why is this so bad? If we hate the other so much, why can't we just tune off? Define "tune off". It's bad because from many people's perspective the commercials are going from 5 mins to 25, and they will also screw with the results of the league? And there will be less BW. That's a pretty bad deal.
Tune off as in not watching the games. Less BW was something that was kind of looming in the horizon anyway, so not losing it is good, IMHO. Screwing with the league results can be kind of off-putting, but if the BW teams are to invest time into SC2, might aswell integrate them into the main league.
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Like, who is this aimed at? I know there's a lot of overlap between the SC2 and BW fanbases, but that's still kind of awkward and weird. You wouldn't have players playing both games to be all-around mediocre, you'd have a KT BW team and a KT SC2 team, anyway, so you don't gain much in that regard.
Okay, let's try and be fair. What about this idea ISN'T stupid.
1. It allows BW to subsist on those sweet tasty foreign $$$, thus potentially saving it and helping it retain its existence, meaning
2. More OSLs, once the economy improves. You could consider this idea life support for BW as it gets through a tough time
3. It introduces people who are exclusively fans of one game to the other. Meaning we'll have a lot more foreign BW fans...
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You know, actually, even though this is a stupid long-term idea, if you think of it as a short-term way to stabilize and inject foreign cash into BW so it can exist in a few years, it actually starts to kind of make sense. After years of fandom wars, the idea that SC2 can be used to save BW is a novel one, but it might actually work. In another year or two when the economy's better, BW will be much better able to stand on its own again.
Hm.
On March 24 2012 04:52 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 04:42 yawnoC wrote:
This idea popped into my head once but I didn't think they would actually do it because IMO it is a stupid idea. The only reason to do it is to slowly introduce the BW Purists to a new game slowly. The vast majority of people who were interested in SC2 already made the transition. We're talking about a trinkle. Blizzard would be better off releasing HotS and making sure they don't make the same mistakes twice.
Which, in their defense, they seem to be. There's a custom that emulates the announced HotS changes, and it's considered to be notably mechanically harder than WoL, even though it's still far short of BW.
Maybe the KeSPA proleague will go with the "Breadth of Gameplay in SC2" idea and reduce the resource count, too.
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Actually if this proves sustainable i like to watch sc2 since i know all the players and builds and i kinda like BW but i dont understand things as well(relation between units, what builds are good).
So if this works itd be cool, but they must not kill gom
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On March 24 2012 04:57 ravemir wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 04:44 hellbound wrote:On March 24 2012 04:41 ravemir wrote:
Wow, wait, when I posted I never thought that my opinion would be the polar opposite of the general consensus.
Why is this so bad? If we hate the other so much, why can't we just tune off? Define "tune off". It's bad because from many people's perspective the commercials are going from 5 mins to 25, and they will also screw with the results of the league? And there will be less BW. That's a pretty bad deal. Tune off as in not watching the games. Less BW was something that was kind of looming in the horizon anyway, so not losing it is good, IMHO. Screwing with the league results can be kind of off-putting, but if the BW teams are to invest time into SC2, might aswell integrate them into the main league.
We're already getting less BW as is. It's been happening since the last MSL. :/
On March 24 2012 04:58 Bippzy wrote:
Actually if this proves sustainable i like to watch sc2 since i know all the players and builds and i kinda like BW but i dont understand things as well(relation between units, what builds are good).
So if this works itd be cool, but they must not kill gom
They won't kill GOM with bush league shit. BD
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On March 24 2012 04:55 TheToast wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 02:31 Milkis wrote:On March 24 2012 02:31 sinistral wrote:
I believe the community would be receptive to actual facts for discussion rather than news that may or may not be true. I appreciate that news about the future of BW is being posted here, but you know, you can have a single thread where such rumors be consolidated and discussed. People call it "rumors", yes. But read between the lines: "Why would this article be placed?" Plus there's couple solid facts in there that's pretty aligned with what I know and what we all observed when Mike Morhaime went to watch a PL Game. Milkis should play Mafia. Personally, I'm not going to get all bent out of shape one way or the other. This is still just all rumors at this point.
@Milkis... Sensationalism to get views? That's pretty normal for journalism.
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