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n.DieJokes
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3443 Posts
June 02 2011 00:12 GMT
#481
Idk, having read fomos side I think they're being pretty fair. If they already have someone paid to translate its obnoxious to have us translate their stuff. We may be faster but it doesn't do them any good to have it read here; as far as I can tell translated material is the only draw it has to foreign fans. We steal a lot of their usefulness and more over don't they collect these articles and interviews themselves in korean before they're translated, it makes sense that they'd want something back for their original content like maybe our original content. It feels like we're trying to push fomos around :/
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moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
June 02 2011 00:14 GMT
#482
Its not so much losing the ability to translate fomos as it is losing rights to using fomos images. fomos and DES images pretty much make the entirety of TL's BW photo base (ever since nevergg retired), losing half the potential photos is a big deal. unforunate that things ended up this way.
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d_so
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)3262 Posts
June 02 2011 00:16 GMT
#483
i just dont understand why there was no "teaser + link" agreement. Like, a TL volunteer translates an article and posts it on Fomos. Then puts a teaser to the article on TL. It's pretty common practice for most gaming sites and both Fomos and TL benefit.

However, I don't think the TL Original Articles being copied over to the Fomos site is reasonable. Maybe they should have a similar teaser thing.
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Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5588 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-02 00:20:09
June 02 2011 00:19 GMT
#484
Too bad they didn't want to work with TL. That was very reasonable demands from TL, I have to say.

I agree with the teaser idea. That would be a good way for the fans to stay informed and it would help both sites imo.
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zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
June 02 2011 00:26 GMT
#485
It is of my opinion as an objective bystander who has been active in the BW community for some time that FOMOS's demands are completely unreasonable.
CaucasianAsian
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
Korea (South)11575 Posts
June 02 2011 00:30 GMT
#486
On June 02 2011 08:36 Milkis wrote:
I dont know why people think "losing" Fomos is such a big deal. All you lose is a few featured interviews they do every once in a while. As for the main interviews, we can still use DES and their features.

Given that there's a ton of untranslated korean stuff everywhere i dont see why people think Fomos is such a big deal when there's always a lack of translators to cover everything anyway.

Also Chef: it is easy to say "oh you could just keep negotiating" if you were completely unaware of their attitude towards TeamLiquid. Just read the Fomos official statement and you should get a glimpse of what Fomos thinks of TL.



I tried googling FighterForum but apparently its gone now?
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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-02 00:32:29
June 02 2011 00:31 GMT
#487
splashimage.net ?
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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51416 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-02 01:37:13
June 02 2011 01:35 GMT
#488
fifo was bought out by afreeca in 2008, which these days is now known as dailyesports.
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Empyrean
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
16971 Posts
June 02 2011 01:53 GMT
#489
On June 02 2011 09:06 TanGeng wrote:
Granted Fomos' English site will never be a good competitor in the near future. But if they want this kind of agreement, might as contribute to their continued irrelevance. And if it just a negotiating ploy, then it's not working.


I find it difficult to believe that Fomos' English site will ever be relevant :/
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CaucasianAsian
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
Korea (South)11575 Posts
June 02 2011 02:51 GMT
#490
On June 02 2011 10:35 GTR wrote:
fifo was bought out by afreeca in 2008, which these days is now known as dailyesports.


ahh ok. that's what happened.

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Klogon
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
MURICA15980 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-02 04:32:30
June 02 2011 03:00 GMT
#491
On June 02 2011 09:12 n.DieJokes wrote:
Idk, having read fomos side I think they're being pretty fair. If they already have someone paid to translate its obnoxious to have us translate their stuff. We may be faster but it doesn't do them any good to have it read here; as far as I can tell translated material is the only draw it has to foreign fans. We steal a lot of their usefulness and more over don't they collect these articles and interviews themselves in korean before they're translated, it makes sense that they'd want something back for their original content like maybe our original content. It feels like we're trying to push fomos around :/


Okay, this is all just purely speculation on my part...

It's easy to see why Fomos thinks they are being fair because they actually think the people they have hired to run the Global site actually use good English (otherwise, why would they hire them, right?). However, anybody who has a good grasp of the English language can see that that is clearly not the case. Need an example? Look at the statement they released and tell me with a straight face that that was good English. What our volunteers provide have been of far higher quality than what you'd find there (or most of the internet for that matter) from their paid workers. From my perspective, it is hard to imagine why they would not want free-labor (better labor) and free-exposure in the foreign market, but if Fomos did actually think their workers were doing good work, I can totally see why they think we are being unreasonable. If I had to guess, this is where we had to agreed to disagree.

Additionally, although they have ambitions of becoming a competitor to TL.net in BW coverage outside of Korea, TL has no plans to start a Korean-language website so the agreement of same-language article exchanges would not be equal. And that is ignoring the very principle that we would probably reject such a proposal no matter what. But if they thought we might be interested in expanding into their language-market, maybe they saw their proposal as being very fair as well.
nayumi
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia6499 Posts
June 02 2011 03:17 GMT
#492
is English translation on TL.net copyrighted, i.e can Fomos just outright copypasta our work here?
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Klogon
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
MURICA15980 Posts
June 02 2011 03:20 GMT
#493
On June 02 2011 12:17 nayumi wrote:
is English translation on TL.net copyrighted, i.e can Fomos just outright copypasta our work here?

Look at the very bottom of the website.
GG.NoRe
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)1051 Posts
June 02 2011 03:38 GMT
#494
I kinda agree with Chef. Why not set a limit. They can copypasta English contents but only a certain number per month, and have the deal on an exploratory effectivity period, like 3 months, just to see how it goes and to see how far fomos is willing to push it. To the foreigners, as well as koreans who happen to look at Fomos global, the difference in quality will become obvious (between original fomos contents and one from TL) and will just lead to traffic to TL. Having it on a certain period will ensure that TL will have control eventually, in case later it finds it too disadvantageous. I dont mind the interviews as you can get them anywhere, but the real price of this imo is the contents already here in TL over the years (Nada's body, anyone).

The quota thing is impossible though.

We hope that Fomos will invest heavily in their global site so that international fans will continue to be able to enjoy their excellent Brood War coverage.


lol waxangel. sounds bitter. imo this should be revised for subtlety. hahaha
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d_so
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)3262 Posts
June 02 2011 03:55 GMT
#495
On June 02 2011 12:00 Klogon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2011 09:12 n.DieJokes wrote:
Idk, having read fomos side I think they're being pretty fair. If they already have someone paid to translate its obnoxious to have us translate their stuff. We may be faster but it doesn't do them any good to have it read here; as far as I can tell translated material is the only draw it has to foreign fans. We steal a lot of their usefulness and more over don't they collect these articles and interviews themselves in korean before they're translated, it makes sense that they'd want something back for their original content like maybe our original content. It feels like we're trying to push fomos around :/


Okay, this is all just purely speculation on my part...

It's easy to see why Fomos thinks they are being fair because they actually think the people they have hired to run the Global site actually uses good English (otherwise, why would they hire them, right?). However, anybody who has a good grasp of the English language can see that that is clearly not the case. Need an example? Look at their statement they released and tell me with a straight face that that was good English. What our volunteers provide have been of far higher quality than what you'd find there (or most of the internet for that matter) from their paid workers. From my perspective, it is hard to imagine why they would not want free-labor (better labor) and free-exposure in the foreign market, but if Fomos did actually think their workers were doing good work, I can totally see why they think we are being unreasonable. If I had to guess, this is where we had to agreed to disagree.

Additionally, although they have ambitions of becoming a competitor to TL.net in BW coverage outside of Korea, TL has no plans to start a Korean-language website so the agreement of same-language article exchanges would not be equal. And that is ignoring the very principle that we would probably reject such a proposal no matter what. But if they thought we might be interested in expanding into their language-market, maybe they saw their proposal as being very fair as well.


hey i just started translating some articles for them. I agreed to do 1 a day. Hopefully my writing suffices as "good English" but if you see some flat out badness or just plain wrong translations please PM me. I'm doing it to get some experience and to have something I can put on my resume when I apply for English Editor jobs here in Seoul.
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Klogon
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
MURICA15980 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-02 04:19:20
June 02 2011 04:15 GMT
#496
Well if that's the case, then good luck! Hopefully there will just be more material for English speakers. I don't mean to be a downer for your motivation - it was just my personal opinion/speculation based on what I saw. But like I said, wish you the best of luck if they are indeed hiring more helping hands.
d_so
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)3262 Posts
June 02 2011 04:25 GMT
#497
On June 02 2011 13:15 Klogon wrote:
Well if that's the case, then good luck! Hopefully there will just be more material for English speakers. I don't mean to be a downer for your motivation - it was just my personal opinion/speculation based on what I saw. But like I said, wish you the best of luck if they are indeed hiring more helping hands.


Thanks. And to be clear, TL translators are like 50x better than me always will be. Also, I'm not really "hired" so please, TeamLiquiders, don't mistake my goal as getting compensation for relatively subpar work. I just need the exp.
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Milkis
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
5003 Posts
June 02 2011 04:28 GMT
#498
On June 02 2011 13:25 d_so wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2011 13:15 Klogon wrote:
Well if that's the case, then good luck! Hopefully there will just be more material for English speakers. I don't mean to be a downer for your motivation - it was just my personal opinion/speculation based on what I saw. But like I said, wish you the best of luck if they are indeed hiring more helping hands.


Thanks. And to be clear, TL translators are like 50x better than me always will be. Also, I'm not really "hired" so please, TeamLiquiders, don't mistake my goal as getting compensation for relatively subpar work. I just need the exp.


Why dont you do it here then, where you'll be more appreciated and people can provide you feedback directly? =/
GG.NoRe
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)1051 Posts
June 02 2011 04:29 GMT
#499
On June 02 2011 13:28 Milkis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2011 13:25 d_so wrote:
On June 02 2011 13:15 Klogon wrote:
Well if that's the case, then good luck! Hopefully there will just be more material for English speakers. I don't mean to be a downer for your motivation - it was just my personal opinion/speculation based on what I saw. But like I said, wish you the best of luck if they are indeed hiring more helping hands.


Thanks. And to be clear, TL translators are like 50x better than me always will be. Also, I'm not really "hired" so please, TeamLiquiders, don't mistake my goal as getting compensation for relatively subpar work. I just need the exp.


Why dont you do it here then, where you'll be more appreciated and people can provide you feedback directly? =/

And be part of a cooler community
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d_so
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)3262 Posts
June 02 2011 04:33 GMT
#500
On June 02 2011 13:28 Milkis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2011 13:25 d_so wrote:
On June 02 2011 13:15 Klogon wrote:
Well if that's the case, then good luck! Hopefully there will just be more material for English speakers. I don't mean to be a downer for your motivation - it was just my personal opinion/speculation based on what I saw. But like I said, wish you the best of luck if they are indeed hiring more helping hands.


Thanks. And to be clear, TL translators are like 50x better than me always will be. Also, I'm not really "hired" so please, TeamLiquiders, don't mistake my goal as getting compensation for relatively subpar work. I just need the exp.


Why dont you do it here then, where you'll be more appreciated and people can provide you feedback directly? =/


A few reasons:

First is that I'm interested in the resume experience. Fomos is a Korean company that, if not widely recognized, is easily referable when I write my Resume. I just recently applied for an English Editor job at the Korean institute of Finance, and it became clear to me that my resume lacked any evidence of my translating ability. So when this came up, I took it (without realizing all the hate going on in the thread, I was banned so I didn't really follow).

Second is that I always felt TL had plenty of excellent translators who are faster and more skilled than me. I didnt' really want to compete with them I guess so I never felt an incentive to translate here.

Third is SuperDanielMan is a pretty cool guy when u get to meet him. And he's fucking ripped.
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