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Murderotica
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Vatican City State2594 Posts
May 30 2011 22:20 GMT
#441
On May 31 2011 07:14 Brad` wrote:
Show nested quote +
Still wanting to have a partnership with TL, it renegotiates once again, requesting that in exchange for its interviews for TL to translate, TL should also share some of its original English contents. TL feels that sharing its English articles is not a good deal for them. TL however states that FOMOS can use the English translation of the articles it got from FOMOS.


So at this point were they still requesting a contract with a minimum amount of articles or did this actually fall through because Fomos wanted to put up translations of Final Edits or whatever.

I want to know this too, because it would open the question "Why does TL not want their FE's to be translated?" It's not like we cater to the Korean community really, and this way we can have some of our other great pieces go Korean (: Unless there is something in the works for this happening anyway... That would be sick n_n
ǝsnoɥ ssɐlƃ ɐ uı sǝuoʇs ʍoɹɥʇ ʇ,uop || sıʇɹoɟ ɹǝdɯǝs
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
May 30 2011 22:30 GMT
#442
If you look at Ver's recent Savior FE, some Russian guys translated the WHOLE thing for a Russian site and there's 0 problems.
Shauni
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
4077 Posts
May 30 2011 22:49 GMT
#443
I'm still wondering why FOMOS consider TL a profit organization. Has something happened lately with SC2 or are they lying?
I'm taking whatever coverage I can get, because frankly, I'm busy working on this million dollar deal at my job. Early retirement is a good thing brotha man. - MessengerASL
Murderotica
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Vatican City State2594 Posts
May 30 2011 22:54 GMT
#444
On May 31 2011 07:30 koreasilver wrote:
If you look at Ver's recent Savior FE, some Russian guys translated the WHOLE thing for a Russian site and there's 0 problems.

Link please?
ǝsnoɥ ssɐlƃ ɐ uı sǝuoʇs ʍoɹɥʇ ʇ,uop || sıʇɹoɟ ɹǝdɯǝs
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
May 30 2011 23:00 GMT
#445
On May 31 2011 07:54 Murderotica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2011 07:30 koreasilver wrote:
If you look at Ver's recent Savior FE, some Russian guys translated the WHOLE thing for a Russian site and there's 0 problems.

Link please?

http://reps.ru/columns.php?act=lang&lang=rus&columns=comment&id=225
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
May 30 2011 23:05 GMT
#446
On May 31 2011 07:49 Shauni wrote:
I'm still wondering why FOMOS consider TL a profit organization. Has something happened lately with SC2 or are they lying?

The difference between being for-profit or an NPO comes down to whether or not its owners (in this case Nazgul and Meat) are allowed to personally profit off of surplus revenue the business generates. NPOs are still allowed to pay salaries, rent offices (like the TL headquarters apartment), pay for servers/bandwidth, etc. It just means they are required to reinvest all the profits back into furthering the business, whereas a for-profit organization is not.
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
btxmonty
Profile Joined April 2010
Panama80 Posts
May 30 2011 23:11 GMT
#447
On May 31 2011 07:30 koreasilver wrote:
If you look at Ver's recent Savior FE, some Russian guys translated the WHOLE thing for a Russian site and there's 0 problems.


People seems to be misunderstanding where the issue comes from. FOMOS is venturing in the English market with a Chinese company who will do the English content. TL was previously their first choice but the deal didn't work out. FOMOS might or might not be aware of the Russian site, and if they are but aren't doing anything about it, it's because it's not directly affecting their business strategy as TL was previously doing by translating and posting full English interviews.

The first thing people need to understand is that they are a business, and regardless of what we want as followers of BW, they have to protect their intellectual property.
It is only the dead who have seen the end of war - Plato
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
May 30 2011 23:20 GMT
#448
I was replying specifically and only to Murderotica's post. You took my post completely out of context.
broz0rs
Profile Joined July 2008
United States2294 Posts
May 31 2011 00:24 GMT
#449
That FOMOS letter was insulting to read. Not because it was terribly written, but the fact that another e-sports related organization is using non-profit as a basis for a potential charitable exchange when in fact their motivation is to get something equitable.

I honestly think TL should just troll FOMOS with a mock financial statement considering it probably views for-profit as "money-making." I'd present something along the lines of these financials:

TL.net Income Statement
for the period ended 1/1/2010 to 12/31/2010

Revenue:
Ads from PokerStrategy.com - $100,000

Expenses:
Office supplies (hot pockets, calbee chips, soju, cigs) - $10,000

Salary wages - $90,000

Salary breakdown:
TL.net bot (owner) - $0
Nazgul - $80,000
Chill - $5,000
Kennigit - $4,900
Konadora - $100 worth of anime

NET INCOME: Revenue minus expenses
$0

That should provide enough information that TL.net is definitely a non-profit organization. FOMOS should have no more excuses and allow us to post their shit for free.
LEGAsee
Profile Joined January 2010
170 Posts
May 31 2011 00:36 GMT
#450
On May 31 2011 08:11 btxmonty wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2011 07:30 koreasilver wrote:
If you look at Ver's recent Savior FE, some Russian guys translated the WHOLE thing for a Russian site and there's 0 problems.


People seems to be misunderstanding where the issue comes from. FOMOS is venturing in the English market with a Chinese company who will do the English content. TL was previously their first choice but the deal didn't work out. FOMOS might or might not be aware of the Russian site, and if they are but aren't doing anything about it, it's because it's not directly affecting their business strategy as TL was previously doing by translating and posting full English interviews.

The first thing people need to understand is that they are a business, and regardless of what we want as followers of BW, they have to protect their intellectual property.


What you quoted has nothing to do with FOMOS.
Brood War has been a part of our lives for the last 12 years. No, we don't want change.
legaton
Profile Joined December 2010
France1763 Posts
May 31 2011 00:50 GMT
#451
On May 31 2011 09:24 broz0rs wrote:
That FOMOS letter was insulting to read. Not because it was terribly written, but the fact that another e-sports related organization is using non-profit as a basis for a potential charitable exchange when in fact their motivation is to get something equitable.

I honestly think TL should just troll FOMOS with a mock financial statement considering it probably views for-profit as "money-making." I'd present something along the lines of these financials:

TL.net Income Statement
for the period ended 1/1/2010 to 12/31/2010

Revenue:
Ads from PokerStrategy.com - $100,000

Expenses:
Office supplies (hot pockets, calbee chips, soju, cigs) - $10,000

Salary wages - $90,000

Salary breakdown:
TL.net bot (owner) - $0
Nazgul - $80,000
Chill - $5,000
Kennigit - $4,900
Konadora - $100 worth of anime

NET INCOME: Revenue minus expenses
$0

That should provide enough information that TL.net is definitely a non-profit organization. FOMOS should have no more excuses and allow us to post their shit for free.


Damn, i hope they don't spent 90% of the ads revenue in salaries, because TL must pay a little fortune for their servers.
No GG, No Skill - Jaedong <3
nitdkim
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
1264 Posts
May 31 2011 00:56 GMT
#452
Fomos makes no sense...
Claim is that they have their own writers (superdanielman) for global content so having access to their korean articles that have been translated into English is useless.

They still want(ed) partnership for the original content that TL creates... but what would they do with that? Just post it on their global page? No one is going to read it on their global page because people who use English go to teamliquid for teamliquid articles... It doesn't make sense for them to turn it into a Korean translated article because "they got their own writing staff" that produce their own original content. Plus, a lot of the teamliquid articles are aimed towards the foreigners and much of what they cover is of the foreign scene.
PM me if you want random korean images translated.
anatem
Profile Joined September 2010
Romania1369 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-31 01:25:34
May 31 2011 01:24 GMT
#453
+ Show Spoiler +
FOMOS' position with teamliquid
2011년 05월 30일 15시 56분

[FOMOS]

1. Fomos first contacted teamliquid on a possible partnership last year in April, Fomos initially thought, since teamliquid was a non-profit organization, there is no need to stir up emotions by pointing out the fact that they have been using the Fomos’ content without permission. It turns out that they do make profit. But that was still okay if they were willing to sign a legitimate contract with FOMOS.
2. FOMOS requests:
A.10 articles per MONTH, and a formal contract.

3. Teamliquid’s initial reaction was ok, later respectfully denies.
A. on the grounds that writers are volunteers, and that they don’t control them. However do suggest that they do have influence over the writers.

Fomos is an incorporated company, it is imperative that all deals must be concrete on a piece of paper, a contract. Can’t fathom the idea of not knowing how many pages could be provided as translation work.

Fomos is very baffled by the stance of teamliquid, but is persistent on forming a partnership with teamliquid. Nearly a year passes by, in this time FOMOS articles are still posted on Teamliquid. Fomos is not appreciative of this.

2011
FOMOS hires a staff to run the GLOBAL page.
Still wants a contract with teamliquid, FOMOS wants to negotiate the grounds of using some of their original English articles as well.
Teamliquid feels that taking the English articles is not a good deal for them. However the FOMOS translated articles can be taken by FOMOS.

Aforementioned offer is nonsensical to FOMOS since, it already has a translator, more will be hired in the near future.

FOMOS doesn’t need the translated articles, since they have a staff member to do it, but still wants to make a deal as long as some original English written articles can be used.

The deal is refused, FOMOS notifies teamliquid to stop using our content.

If FOMOS doesn’t get more than just a translated work of FOMOS’ content, it is not in the best interest of FOMOS to form a partnership with teamliquid, in fact when teamliquid translates what’s already been translated or what is about to be translated by FOMOS, it creates a huge detriment to FOMOS.

FOMOS just simply wants them to stop using FOMOS content, since it is FOMOS’

FOMOS is an incorporated company, has 10 staff members, whom works the arduous hours of working around the clock, photographers and writers also wishes strongly for them to stop taking their articles.

superdaniel@fomos.co.kr
twitter:superdanielman


am i reading this wrong or do they want to

1. put volunteers under indirect contract with them

2. exchange articles in korean to be translated by volunteers on tl to post in english for articles originally written in english - by volunteers- to post on their site still in english (aka give translation rights for some of their articles in exchange for full ownership rights of some tl articles) (yes, no, or ??)

do correct me if i'm wrong please, but for now i'll have to reinforce my previous hate post on the matter with this point.
'Tis with our Judgements as our Watches, none / Go just alike, yet each believes his own.
Murderotica
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Vatican City State2594 Posts
May 31 2011 01:26 GMT
#454
I'm willing to do accountant duties for TL (: I'm close to NYC too.
ǝsnoɥ ssɐlƃ ɐ uı sǝuoʇs ʍoɹɥʇ ʇ,uop || sıʇɹoɟ ɹǝdɯǝs
Highways
Profile Joined July 2005
Australia6124 Posts
May 31 2011 01:33 GMT
#455
After reading Fomo's response I feel that they are in the right.

Anyone feel that TL is getting up themselves now? First the EG masters cup debacle and now this.
#1 Terran hater
zyce
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States649 Posts
May 31 2011 01:34 GMT
#456
I've been catching up with a few missed years of BW fandom, and the loss of all the content would ruin it all for me.
Beauty is not the goal of competitive sports, but high-level sports are a prime venue for the expression of human beauty. The relation is roughly that of courage to war.
_awake_
Profile Joined August 2007
196 Posts
May 31 2011 01:44 GMT
#457
Fomos - Blizzard
Teamliquid - Kespa
Tiny Chinese company - Gretech

let's hope it works out in the end
Kennigit *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada19447 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-31 01:51:11
May 31 2011 01:48 GMT
#458
On May 31 2011 10:33 Highways wrote:
After reading Fomo's response I feel that they are in the right.

Anyone feel that TL is getting up themselves now? First the EG masters cup debacle and now this.

Joined 7-29-2005

....you actually believe what you wrote? Incredibly disappointing.
Carkis
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada302 Posts
May 31 2011 01:56 GMT
#459
its thier business which is completely cool but it seems like this will hurt whats left of the foreigner bw scene but maybe every1s overreacting doubt it though
infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
May 31 2011 02:04 GMT
#460
On May 31 2011 10:44 _awake_ wrote:
Fomos - Blizzard
Teamliquid - Kespa
Tiny Chinese company - Gretech

let's hope it works out in the end

The Chinese company is by no means tiny.
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