[Interview] SPL ACE vs SKT Winners - Page 8

On April 25 2011 05:06 night terrors wrote:
Did you see the games? They were solid.
Now did you see JD's game last night?

On April 25 2011 15:27 chisuri wrote:

He had the advantage. 9 pool (JD) vs 12 hatch.

On April 25 2011 16:01 Milkis wrote:


Stop sidestepping the point. I think at this point it's clear you have no idea how to watch ZvZ at all. Performance? Jaedong lost the second his Zerglings went the wrong direction and he knew it, of course it'll make him make desperate decisions that he knows wont work out.

Stop trying to degrade Jaedong to Bisu's level. Jaedong is someone who has handled dual starleagues with full Proleague while performing quite well. Bisu is not Lee Ssang, and part of the reason is because his team is a bitch. I do think it is an excuse and it does excuse Bisu for his MSL performance

But ffs stop trying to say Jaedong wasn't prepared in yesterday's match when he lost to 90% luck and he couldn't do anything about it after his initial choices of actions.

On April 25 2011 16:19 letian wrote:

He scouted Great way too late to benefit from that.

On April 25 2011 16:23 letian wrote:
Anyway, Bisu could have performed better imo, but I wouldn't bet on him against Flash, its Stork who can handle Flash nicely - not Bisu, who, I think, is a bit bo1 player. Its been a while since we saw his box play, don't you agree?

On April 25 2011 16:32 chisuri wrote:

So JD just succumbs to luck without any further resistance? And I thought TBLS is one or two classes above the rest especially JD in ZvZ, didn't he overcome many many BO disadvantages, bad-luck scoutings before? So if his ability was enough to overcome such things before, why it didn't yesterday? Maybe (just maybe) because of his lack of preparation? You must be somewhat very bias to not see the difference between JD's preparation for his game on La Mancha and Bisu's group stage matches. And hell, just compare Bisu's game on Aztec and his MSL games. He can beat Flash with preparation, it's a fact, it happened. But he didn't have that preparation for his MSL games. And if you agree that he was lack of prep, then how come he says so is equal to finding excuses? That's not his fault. HE WANTED TO PRACTICE. HE WANTED TO PREPARE. BUT HIS COACH DIDN'T ALLOW HIM FOR CRYING OUT LOUD. Why that he says he's upset upon his coach is excusing? HE SHOULD BE VERY THANKFUL SINCE HE CAN BLAME HIS COACH FOR HIS LOSS NOW. No, he doesn't want to lose. He wants to win for his fans. And god, his coach didn't care. You haters just flame his no matter what, now even when he speaks the truth and says sorry to his fans. And hell, he just wants to compete better with the other S-class. you don't want that? You want him to not be allowed to practice so your Lee Ssang can beat him? Well, ok, I guess we have to accept that and come back to PL where Bisu is allowing to practice and watch he beats Flash and JD, especially JD consecutively. And you can enjoy your Lee Ssang's domination in SLs with one of the two other S-class isn't allowed to practice and the others is allowed to not practice and to watch manga and play Cellphone games.

On April 25 2011 16:45 Milkis wrote:


Of course it's not his fault. I already said his excuse was a valid one.

I don't know what you're ranting about but you're clearly misinterpreting a lot of things I'm saying. Chillax.

On April 25 2011 16:45 Milkis wrote:


Of course it's not his fault. I already said his excuse was a valid one.

I don't know what you're ranting about but you're clearly misinterpreting a lot of things I'm saying. Chillax.

On April 25 2011 16:33 chisuri wrote:

if he scouted Great correctly, he auto won. And guess who is unlucky then?

On April 25 2011 16:56 chisuri wrote:

So your reasons for saying JD is one level above Bisu is? As far as I remember, when JD was running for MSL, OSL and PL in 2009 he did collapse in MSL against Calm, and in PL against Fantasy, twice. And at the end of 2010 season he lost both finals to Flash and his team didn't make PL playoff, no? At the beginning of this season, Bisu performed better in PL, his team won WL playoff over Oz and KT and his past performance in SLs was equal to Flash and just slightly worse than JD. So what is the level of JD that Bisu can't reach?

On April 25 2011 16:56 chisuri wrote:

So your reasons for saying JD is one level above Bisu is? As far as I remember, when JD was running for MSL, OSL and PL in 2009 he did collapse in MSL against Calm, and in PL against Fantasy, twice. And at the end of 2010 season he lost both finals to Flash and his team didn't make PL playoff, no? At the beginning of this season, Bisu performed better in PL, his team won WL playoff over Oz and KT and his past performance in SLs was equal to Flash and just slightly worse than JD. So what is the level of JD that Bisu can't reach?

On April 25 2011 17:11 letian wrote:

well, ok.
What I believe is that strongest always wins.
So no matter what Flash Bisu JD will say about their losses its all means nothing, its just an excuse for the fans. I don't need it, I need their games to be good, thats it.
Trying to excuse somebody's poor performance with lack of preparation, saying "if a had more time, of course I would crush him" looks like we used to say, when we were kids "if i had a bazooka i would destroy you" etc. Its competition, we can only rant that Bisu was unlucky to have less time than the others. What I think Bisu is trying to say here, is his deep regret about not qualifying and he wants to show it to his fans, giving a nice reason to flame about SKT coach injustice and that it wasn't his fault, I think its wrong. Giving the fact that Bisu is worse player than Flash actually, Bisu should have pulled something really outstanding to get through makes all his excuses unnecessary at this point. Good luck Bisu in OSL.

On April 25 2011 16:56 chisuri wrote:

So your reasons for saying JD is one level above Bisu is? As far as I remember, when JD was running for MSL, OSL and PL in 2009 he did collapse in MSL against Calm, and in PL against Fantasy, twice. And at the end of 2010 season he lost both finals to Flash and his team didn't make PL playoff, no? At the beginning of this season, Bisu performed better in PL, his team won WL playoff over Oz and KT and his past performance in SLs was equal to Flash and just slightly worse than JD. So what is the level of JD that Bisu can't reach?

On April 25 2011 17:19 e_i_pi_1_0 wrote:

There's also the fact that Jaedong's semifinals series against Calm in MSL was one day before his semis vs Fantasy, and both of these were basically almost right after he had just lost in PL. He also won that OSL by defeating fantasy in the semis, the very person who had sniped him in PL earlier. I don't even remember if Bisu had ever made dual semifinals?

As for PL, yes, Jaedong kind of choked at the finals, but for the 2008-2009 season, Jaedong basically carried his team for most of the PL season, while still making deep runs into SLs, something Bisu has not been able to do for quite a while, even with a solid team behind him. As for the 2009-2010 season, the main reason Oz didn't make playoffs was because of the ace match choices during the first few rounds (Killer for ace), not because Jaedong failed a lot in PL. Oftentimes, JD was the only one to win.

Also, you mentioned Jaedong losing both finals to Flash. Let me ask you this: when has Bisu ever been able to make dual finals, while having to carry his PL team? Bisu hasn't made it past the Ro8 of a league since Avalon MSL, where he lost a series vs Iris that I'm pretty sure he shouldn't have lost. Unless you're referring to past as in before 2009 or something for past performance in SLs. As for comparing Bisu to Flash: Flash has made dual finals 3 times in a row.

And finally, for WL playoffs: he basically functioned as a final boss/sniper, while KT and Oz both turned back into their normal one-man teams. If he had to make multiple kills, I wouldn't have been certain SKT would've won.

On April 25 2011 17:26 chisuri wrote:

You truly make me speechless...
Just want to say one last thing, hoping that I can make you understand my point of view. your example and comparison is meaningless. You will never have a bazooka, and even if you have that's unfair. How can giving Bisu the same amount to practice as other competitors be unfair and injustice then? And hell, his complaint about his coach is very much true, many people knew that for years and until today, it's the first time he speak it out loud. Have you ever read Bisu's interview? If you have, has he ever spoken about smt like that, smt can bring him a lot of troubles? He must be restrain it for too long and can't take it anymore. If you don't know what he is suffering plz don't belittle him.

On April 25 2011 17:34 Milkis wrote:


My reason for saying JD is one level above Bisu is mentality and playstyle. The point is Jaedong handles dual starleagues and playstyle and he won't complain about it. Of course he can lose even if he's prepared, or maybe because he's not as prepared as he wants himself to be.

Are you seriously saying that his team not making it to PL Playoff is JD's fault? And honestly Bisu's team winning over Oz and KT is the fault of JD or Flash? Stop confounding effects and then we can talk about this -- you seem to enjoy combining effects arbitrary that are outside of the player's control and putting it in there.

All I'm saying is that JD and Flash can swallow similar schedules and still make it to dual leagues consistently, Bisu hasn't made it past Round of 16 for quite a long time. I'm not 100% convinced this is simply due to SKT's practice regime either.

Not every team can be Hite/CJ I guess.

On April 25 2011 17:54 letian wrote:

All I want to say is that Bisu's individual performance has always been poorer than PL's, and yes maybe you're right and it all because of the coaching policy in SKT. It's just that I feel like its unnecessary to complain about coaches and lack of time, when you are just worse than the other player. Why try to look for some questionable reasons for your loss other than admit that you're worse and will prepare even more to win and finally be the best?. This is what I don't like.

On April 25 2011 17:34 Milkis wrote:
My reason for saying JD is one level above Bisu is mentality and playstyle. The point is Jaedong handles dual starleagues and playstyle and he won't complain about it. Of course he can lose even if he's prepared, or maybe because he's not as prepared as he wants himself to be.

On April 25 2011 17:45 chisuri wrote:

In 2010 Bisu was slumping hard. That makes his comeback and current performance even more incredible. And you can't see since Bisu came back he have been beating JD consecutively? In 2007 and 2008 and even now, when Bisu was and is performing well, what makes JD a level above him? If i'm not mistaken, when Bisu is performing well, he also very much carries his team from MBC to SKT1. And I will repeat it one more time, even when Flash and JD have to carry their teams, they only need to prepare for 2 games per match in PL, the very same amount of Bisu's preparation. And about the sniper role in WL playoff, lol. Bisu and JD were both sent out last. Nobody can assure how the 3 first players of each team would perform so that the preparation of both should be the same. The same about Flash, nobody can predict how the match would turn out to be.
I admit JD and Flash's achievements are amazing. But even though JD is more consistent, when Bisu's at his peak (before and now) he seems to be the one a level above JD.