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ffreakk
Profile Joined September 2010
Singapore2155 Posts
April 24 2011 18:20 GMT
#101
Treating well is different from allowing him some time to focus on his personal achievements.

They need him to unslump so he can be worth the $$ they are paying him =x.. I mean, he was losing left and right in Proleague too, its not like he only slumped in Starleagues.
Look. Only Forward. See. Only Victory.
xarthaz
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1704 Posts
April 24 2011 18:39 GMT
#102
On April 24 2011 09:24 bearbuddy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2011 09:12 cosiant wrote:
Never understood why in teamliquid Bisu received more than his share of hate.


Cause TL is strongly zerg biased. Flash is the lol-turtle terran who took massive heat in the 2009-2010 season because he keeps failing out of individual leagues while he carried KT (to the point that there was a time period when some people think Fantasy might become a better player than Flash). Bisu is the lol-easy toss who hasn't had any decent run in an individual league. Jaedong is the destroyer. Yup. Not a lol-cheesy 2-hatch zerg. I don't think it has anything anymore with Savior, since most Savior fans have pretty much left the scene.
Wow, way to dichotomize every situation. That us-vs-them paradigm that is being employed has brought so much hatred. Relying on generalizations to make arguments instead of looking at each situation with regards to its specific attributes. For information, Zerg got hardly any support during their graveyard winners league season this year - yet people were cheering for KT and SKT as always.
Aah thats the stuff..
dukethegold
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada5645 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-24 18:46:48
April 24 2011 18:45 GMT
#103
Aww, Bisu, we had a good time watching your games.

He's merely complaining that he was not given sufficient time to focus on individual league. January and Lee had past records of giving Flash/Stork time off from SPL to practice for individual leagues. The group of Death is more difficult than most semi-finals, yet Bisu received no additional support from his coach.

SKT had a match right after Group D. Compartively, Jaedong's team was eliminated early. Flash's team finished #1 and had plenty of rest and practice time prior to the WL final. Sea's team had nothing to do once WL playoff started. Comparatively, Bisu's schedule was on the wrong end of the fork.
chisuri
Profile Joined January 2010
Vietnam789 Posts
April 24 2011 19:12 GMT
#104
Just compare Bisu and JD's performances after MSL. Bisu won his game, twice. JD lost hist game. And guess who was apparently more prepared in MSL before?
Pistoche
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada127 Posts
April 24 2011 19:52 GMT
#105
On April 25 2011 04:12 chisuri wrote:
Just compare Bisu and JD's performances after MSL. Bisu won his game, twice. JD lost hist game. And guess who was apparently more prepared in MSL before?


Yes, ACE players, big accomplishment there...
Winning isnt everything, its the only thing!
Milkis
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
5003 Posts
April 24 2011 20:06 GMT
#106
On April 25 2011 04:12 chisuri wrote:
Just compare Bisu and JD's performances after MSL. Bisu won his game, twice. JD lost hist game. And guess who was apparently more prepared in MSL before?


ZvZ where jaedong decided he wanted to take a gamble and got really unlucky? okay.
night terrors
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
China1284 Posts
April 24 2011 20:06 GMT
#107
Did you see the games? They were solid.
Now did you see JD's game last night?

Through high and low, bisu boy, through high and low.
BreakerD
Profile Joined March 2010
United States159 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-24 20:10:44
April 24 2011 20:09 GMT
#108
I think bisu is making up excuses. We all know his pvt is baddddddddddd. Everyone knows bisu has bad decision making when he plays pvt. Seriously game 1 he went carriers and we all know how bad his carrier play is. He barely won he last game with carriers. He seriously needs to use templar in my opinion and quit going carrier play. And of course SPL is more important to the coach, their job depends on the results and its a team effort.
night terrors
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
China1284 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-24 20:49:39
April 24 2011 20:14 GMT
#109
On April 25 2011 05:09 BreakerD wrote:
I think bisu is making up excuses. We all know his pvt is baddddddddddd. Everyone knows bisu has bad decision making when he plays pvt. Seriously game 1 he went carriers and we all know how bad his carrier play is. He barely won he last game with carriers. He seriously needs to use templar in my opinion and quit going carrier play. And of course SPL is more important to the coach, their job depends on the results and its a team effort.


Out of his last 25 games versus terran bisu has won 19 of them. Out of those six losses you know how many came from someone other than flash? 3.

Thats a 76% winrate. 88% if you exclude games against Flash.

Yeah, he's terrible.

Edit:

Just for fun, out of his last 25 pvp's, he's won 15. 10 of his losses came from an in form stork and kal. Thats a 60% winrate.

Double edit:

Out of his last 25 games against Toss, Flash has won 19 of them. That, too, is a 76% winrate.
Through high and low, bisu boy, through high and low.
ffreakk
Profile Joined September 2010
Singapore2155 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-24 20:54:26
April 24 2011 20:44 GMT
#110
On April 25 2011 05:09 BreakerD wrote:
I think bisu is making up excuses. We all know his pvt is baddddddddddd. Everyone knows bisu has bad decision making when he plays pvt. Seriously game 1 he went carriers and we all know how bad his carrier play is. He barely won he last game with carriers. He seriously needs to use templar in my opinion and quit going carrier play. And of course SPL is more important to the coach, their job depends on the results and its a team effort.


Not all, at least not me, and the guy above me dont seem to agree either..

Whose PvT is not baddddddd then?.. I s'pose you can make a case for Stork, but even Dinotoss himself is not having as good a vT season as Bisu's, statistically.. Specific numbers are already provided by the poster above me..

Seriously many new viewers are just dumping the "badddddd PvT" label on Bisu just because a number of others say so.. While i understand that his decision-making can be questionable at times, especially when you compare it with his vZ, Bisu's PvT is still very solid and powerful, and one of the best we have.

Edit: Some extra statistics: Even counting his recent 2 losses vs Flash in MSL, Bisu's vT win-rate this season is 77.27%.. Thats higher than Flash's vP, vZ, as well as ALL of Stork's and Jaedong's MU.
Look. Only Forward. See. Only Victory.
cosiant
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada616 Posts
April 24 2011 23:13 GMT
#111
Oh wow, Flash's TvP is soooo badddddddd.

User was warned for this post
Member of the "Fuck yeah, Canata!" committee!
FetusFondler
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States246 Posts
April 24 2011 23:16 GMT
#112
Is it just me or is Bisu's face a little puffy, like he was crying? o.O
None are so busy as the fool and knave.
Kal_rA1
Profile Joined January 2011
160 Posts
April 24 2011 23:27 GMT
#113
dont beat your self over the msl bisu! group d was ridiculous
Jaedong Oz
TheGlassface
Profile Joined November 2010
United States612 Posts
April 24 2011 23:39 GMT
#114
Not support him?

Lol, that fool is the reason I play SC
He is the reason I want to teach English in SK
and he is the reason I play Protoss
Kim Taek Yong hwaiting!
The mystery of life is not a problem to solve, but a reality to experience. **Hang in there STX fans!! Kal Hwaiting!**
kamikami
Profile Joined November 2010
France1057 Posts
April 24 2011 23:45 GMT
#115
On April 25 2011 08:39 TheGlassface wrote:
Not support him?

Lol, that fool is the reason I play SC
He is the reason I want to teach English in SK
and he is the reason I play Protoss
Kim Taek Yong hwaiting!


Me too, he is the sole reason that I play SC at all.
If SKT doesn't satisfy what he need, I will bash them and curse them and boycott them until he get what he want.
Bisu >>>>>> SKT
Khassar de Templari
dRaW
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada5744 Posts
April 25 2011 00:06 GMT
#116
Bisu is absolutely incredible, it's sad to see him go he played very well on Dante's peak vs Flash.
I don't need luck, luck is for noobs, good luck to you though
smekz
Profile Joined April 2010
Portugal503 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-25 00:23:23
April 25 2011 00:21 GMT
#117
its like reading sones comments at allkpop rofl

bisu is good but hes not preforming as good as before, maybe next osl he'll strike back (yes he wins a lot blabla but he hasnt been that solid at individual leagues for a while now)
Seraphic
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3849 Posts
April 25 2011 00:34 GMT
#118
Breaker, you obviously have not seen or even cared about any of Bisu's PvT matches up until this point. If you known, you would have never thrown that Bisu is bad at PvT.

Yes Bisu's PvT is historically weaker then the other two match ups, but currently at the start of this year, his PvT is better then his PvP. His BvZ hasn't changed one bit. So unless she starts losing his vT randomly, stop spewing the "Bisu can't vT" stuff here.

Everyone loses to Flash, just because out of his current 6 vT loses, 3 of from Flash, doesn't mean he can't play in the match up.
Natus Vincere Fan | Team Secret Fan | SK Telecom T1 Fan | Lanaya the Templar Assassin <3
infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
April 25 2011 01:58 GMT
#119
If he's practicing PvT for SWL it's still practice. Does he really need to heavily practice on the MSL maps to apply his skills on them? PvT doesn't particularly seem like a matchup where you need to do that... Dante's Peak for example is a pretty standardish map. His mistakes were just basic like not responding to a 1 Rax CC correctly, which he had a perfect counter for in SWL. Flash just macro'd off 3 bases and won, Bisu couldn't stop it.

So unless he's saying he needed to learn the maps so he could make cheeses or something then it does seem to be a bit of an excuse to me. I didn't seem their first game but i heard he found a proxy rax then failed to capitalize on his advantage. On the 2nd game he failed to respond to 1 rax CC. Both of these games would have played out the same on FS or any other standard map. I'm sure playing on a map repeatedly does help regardless but still, practice is practice.
renzy
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada781 Posts
April 25 2011 02:07 GMT
#120
On April 25 2011 10:58 infinity2k9 wrote:
If he's practicing PvT for SWL it's still practice. Does he really need to heavily practice on the MSL maps to apply his skills on them? PvT doesn't particularly seem like a matchup where you need to do that... Dante's Peak for example is a pretty standardish map. His mistakes were just basic like not responding to a 1 Rax CC correctly, which he had a perfect counter for in SWL. Flash just macro'd off 3 bases and won, Bisu couldn't stop it.

So unless he's saying he needed to learn the maps so he could make cheeses or something then it does seem to be a bit of an excuse to me. I didn't seem their first game but i heard he found a proxy rax then failed to capitalize on his advantage. On the 2nd game he failed to respond to 1 rax CC. Both of these games would have played out the same on FS or any other standard map. I'm sure playing on a map repeatedly does help regardless but still, practice is practice.


Have you been following PvTs this year? Bisu's response was the standard, used by Stork and others. 3 goon expand, robotics, then fast third when the natural is done. Except, on Dante's Peak, Bisu's pylon wall didn't really block the vultures, which raped all of Bisu's probes at his third, meaning...he didn't have a third. Thats what lost him the game, and it does have to do with map, cuz he couldn't make proper pylon walls on Dante's Peak to save his life. =.=
Bisu is the man
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