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On April 24 2011 13:04 kassi wrote:
T1 fans saying he's paid for a reason and blaming the team is a poor excuse. There are as of now 1038 replies on that interview... compare with 39 for Fantasy's interview and 177/168 for the people who advance from Group D.
T1 has a tradition to focus on Proleague much much much more than individual leagues.... Remember long time ago they only allow the players to choose one between MSL and OSL to attend? And last year they did not allow the players to attend the OSL group ceremony because it was only 3 days before the playoff. It does make sense for T1--they pay much higher salaries than other teams.
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Bisu 
While I was reading I couldn't believe he was actually saying that since he's usually so reserved and gives always says the same "I was lucky", "I'll try my best" stuff, but I'm so sad to read this. He must be really really frustrated, so much that he had to bring it up in this interview. I just hope there won't be any repercussions for saying this and that maybe Coach Park will listen and give his players more time to concentrate on things important to them as well. It must be heartbreaking for Bisu, especially since he KNOWS he can still go far in an individual league but isn't because he doesn't get enough time to practice individually.
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Is what Bisu is doing now harder or easier than Flash or Jaedong carrying their teams? If not, why is he bitching about it?
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On April 24 2011 14:30 _romantic wrote:
Is what Bisu is doing now harder or easier than Flash or Jaedong carrying their teams? If not, why is he bitching about it?
Although I understand we are on completely different teams, take the time to read the posts before making people repeat themselves.
Thanks.
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On April 24 2011 14:38 Taekwon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 14:30 _romantic wrote:
Is what Bisu is doing now harder or easier than Flash or Jaedong carrying their teams? If not, why is he bitching about it? Although I understand we are on completely different teams, take the time to read the posts before making people repeat themselves. Thanks.
Which posts are you referring to? I read through the entire thread before posting.
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Ooh, he finally said it. T1 does focus more on proleague.... Then again the same situation could be applied to Flash and KT as a team. Jaedong may have had the most time to prepare due to Oz's early break from Winner's League though.
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On April 24 2011 14:42 _romantic wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 14:38 Taekwon wrote:On April 24 2011 14:30 _romantic wrote:
Is what Bisu is doing now harder or easier than Flash or Jaedong carrying their teams? If not, why is he bitching about it? Although I understand we are on completely different teams, take the time to read the posts before making people repeat themselves. Thanks. Which posts are you referring to? I read through the entire thread before posting.
You obviously did not. It's been stated several times that T1 focuses more on proleague. Therefore, Flash's situation is different. There was a time last year when KT dismissed Flash from SPL so that he can practice for individual leagues. Thats enough said about team emphasis on PL vs SL.
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On April 24 2011 14:47 renzy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 14:42 _romantic wrote:On April 24 2011 14:38 Taekwon wrote:On April 24 2011 14:30 _romantic wrote:
Is what Bisu is doing now harder or easier than Flash or Jaedong carrying their teams? If not, why is he bitching about it? Although I understand we are on completely different teams, take the time to read the posts before making people repeat themselves. Thanks. Which posts are you referring to? I read through the entire thread before posting. You obviously did not. It's been stated several times that T1 focuses more on proleague. Therefore, Flash's situation is different. There was a time last year when KT dismissed Flash from SPL so that he can practice for individual leagues. Thats enough said about team emphasis on PL vs SL.
Different, but not necessarily better. Flash has to carry his entire team alone--Bisu is on a team with Fantasy and Best. Jaedong has it even worse off--other than him it's Hiya... and Killer. Are you seriously implying that the pressure to need to prepare for your own match and the ace match, and worry about the overall performance of your tema, day after day is not equivalent of having more emphasis placed on PL as opposed to SLs?
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On April 24 2011 14:53 _romantic wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 14:47 renzy wrote:On April 24 2011 14:42 _romantic wrote:On April 24 2011 14:38 Taekwon wrote:On April 24 2011 14:30 _romantic wrote:
Is what Bisu is doing now harder or easier than Flash or Jaedong carrying their teams? If not, why is he bitching about it? Although I understand we are on completely different teams, take the time to read the posts before making people repeat themselves. Thanks. Which posts are you referring to? I read through the entire thread before posting. You obviously did not. It's been stated several times that T1 focuses more on proleague. Therefore, Flash's situation is different. There was a time last year when KT dismissed Flash from SPL so that he can practice for individual leagues. Thats enough said about team emphasis on PL vs SL. Different, but not necessarily better. Flash has to carry his entire team alone--Bisu is on a team with Fantasy and Best. Jaedong has it even worse off--other than him it's Hiya... and Killer. Are you seriously implying that the pressure to need to prepare for your own match and the ace match, and worry about the overall performance of your tema, day after day is not equivalent of having more emphasis placed on PL as opposed to SLs?
Are you seriously saying getting days off from SPL to practice for SLs is NOT better than not getting any time to practice for the MSL? Honestly? Read what I posted before you say "Different, but not necessarily better. Flash had to carry his entire team..."
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On April 24 2011 14:53 _romantic wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 14:47 renzy wrote:On April 24 2011 14:42 _romantic wrote:On April 24 2011 14:38 Taekwon wrote:On April 24 2011 14:30 _romantic wrote:
Is what Bisu is doing now harder or easier than Flash or Jaedong carrying their teams? If not, why is he bitching about it? Although I understand we are on completely different teams, take the time to read the posts before making people repeat themselves. Thanks. Which posts are you referring to? I read through the entire thread before posting. You obviously did not. It's been stated several times that T1 focuses more on proleague. Therefore, Flash's situation is different. There was a time last year when KT dismissed Flash from SPL so that he can practice for individual leagues. Thats enough said about team emphasis on PL vs SL. Different, but not necessarily better. Flash has to carry his entire team alone--Bisu is on a team with Fantasy and Best. Jaedong has it even worse off--other than him it's Hiya... and Killer. Are you seriously implying that the pressure to need to prepare for your own match and the ace match, and worry about the overall performance of your tema, day after day is not equivalent of having more emphasis placed on PL as opposed to SLs?
He means that the Bisu's schedule (which is implied to be decided by the coach on what he practices) doesn't allow any time for him to practice for individual leagues as compared to Flash or JD. It has nothing to do with who is burdened to win more in PL. His practice time is supposedly limited physically, not because he has more stress and has to practice more for PL.
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On April 24 2011 09:05 GTR wrote:
Hmm, I'm not surprised that Bisu would be limited in his practice for individual leagues. Out of the past three years since TBLS was 'born', Bisu has clearly been the weakest player in terms of tournament wins, individual-league wise (ever since the double-win against Jangbi in MSL/GC).
I don't think he'll ever win an individual league ever again as long as Flash and Jaedong are around.
I would've agreed with this before, when Bisu was slumping (before January) but I disagree with this now.
No, Bisu doesn't have the same results as the other three in individual leagues, but right now he's looking stronger than Jaedong and Stork. It's unfortunate he had to play Flash in the MSL twice, but honestly I would've put my money on Bisu advancing if he had to play Jaedong instead.
Jaedong and Stork don't look particularly great right now. Jaedong's vZ is looking weak, although his vT is fine. Stork's vZ is horrible and his vT is on par with Bisu's (i.e. both have the best PvT in the scene right now) so you can't really say Stork is doing much better than Bisu.
Bisu's vP is somewhat shaky, but only against very good players. His vZ is the best it's ever been, and his vT is the best it's ever been too. Right now I don't think there have been enough games to count Bisu out just yet. Maybe he can make a showing this OSL (although it sounds weird saying that lol)
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On April 24 2011 13:58 SHr3DD3r wrote:He REALLY needs a SL...
not even that, a protoss needs to win one T_T
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I personally wouldnt invest the time to argue with l0st_romantic.. He is pretty known for his blind hatred for Bisu, and would jump at every chance to flaunt his hate.. So unless you share the same sentiments, imo ignoring him will be a better choice..
On the topic of Flash, before the SWL final, he didnt even have to carry the team.. Most of them were performing up to, if not better than their normal standard.
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On April 24 2011 15:27 ffreakk wrote:
I personally wouldnt invest the time to argue with l0st_romantic.. He is pretty known for his blind hatred for Bisu, and would jump at every chance to flaunt his hate.. So unless you share the same sentiments, imo ignoring him will be a better choice..
On the topic of Flash, before the SWL final, he didnt even have to carry the team.. Most of them were performing up to, if not better than their normal standard.
His name sure is oxymoronic
/ad hom
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meh i wonder if Bisu has actually confronted Coach Park about this. If he hasn't and actually use this interview to express his disappointment, then that's extremely poor from him to air dirty laundry in public.
No doubt though that he has the least time to practice for MSL compared to others because of T1's policy
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On April 24 2011 15:06 renzy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 14:53 _romantic wrote:On April 24 2011 14:47 renzy wrote:On April 24 2011 14:42 _romantic wrote:On April 24 2011 14:38 Taekwon wrote:On April 24 2011 14:30 _romantic wrote:
Is what Bisu is doing now harder or easier than Flash or Jaedong carrying their teams? If not, why is he bitching about it? Although I understand we are on completely different teams, take the time to read the posts before making people repeat themselves. Thanks. Which posts are you referring to? I read through the entire thread before posting. You obviously did not. It's been stated several times that T1 focuses more on proleague. Therefore, Flash's situation is different. There was a time last year when KT dismissed Flash from SPL so that he can practice for individual leagues. Thats enough said about team emphasis on PL vs SL. Different, but not necessarily better. Flash has to carry his entire team alone--Bisu is on a team with Fantasy and Best. Jaedong has it even worse off--other than him it's Hiya... and Killer. Are you seriously implying that the pressure to need to prepare for your own match and the ace match, and worry about the overall performance of your tema, day after day is not equivalent of having more emphasis placed on PL as opposed to SLs? Are you seriously saying getting days off from SPL to practice for SLs is NOT better than not getting any time to practice for the MSL? Honestly? Read what I posted before you say "Different, but not necessarily better. Flash had to carry his entire team..."
The issue here is that you are conflating a chronic issue (having to carry the team) with an acute issue (not getting days to practice right before this MSL).
It's plainly obvious that if SKT1 were not in SWL finals Bisu would have spent more time practicing for the MSL Ro32. That's not in question. What is in question is whether this is something that occurs consistently with Bisu having to constantly sacrifice his practice time for the good of SKT1 because SKT1 can't carry themselves otherwise AND that Flash consistently can place his individual leagues above the needs of KT. That is a point I have yet to see in the thread and that is what I was addressing.
It sounds like from the interview that Bisu is expressing his frustrations with this particular Ro32. That's fine. What's not fine is when people conflate that to mean that Bisu has been sacrificing his individual league performance, consistently, for the good of SKT1. That's a claim that needs a LOT of proof, far more than anyone in this thread has demonstrated.
In fact, I would venture to argue that on a long-term basis, Flash and Jaedong have to spend a lot more practice time carrying the team than Bisu does on his team. But that's an argument for another thread and another time...
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On April 24 2011 15:07 ketomai wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 14:53 _romantic wrote:On April 24 2011 14:47 renzy wrote:On April 24 2011 14:42 _romantic wrote:On April 24 2011 14:38 Taekwon wrote:On April 24 2011 14:30 _romantic wrote:
Is what Bisu is doing now harder or easier than Flash or Jaedong carrying their teams? If not, why is he bitching about it? Although I understand we are on completely different teams, take the time to read the posts before making people repeat themselves. Thanks. Which posts are you referring to? I read through the entire thread before posting. You obviously did not. It's been stated several times that T1 focuses more on proleague. Therefore, Flash's situation is different. There was a time last year when KT dismissed Flash from SPL so that he can practice for individual leagues. Thats enough said about team emphasis on PL vs SL. Different, but not necessarily better. Flash has to carry his entire team alone--Bisu is on a team with Fantasy and Best. Jaedong has it even worse off--other than him it's Hiya... and Killer. Are you seriously implying that the pressure to need to prepare for your own match and the ace match, and worry about the overall performance of your tema, day after day is not equivalent of having more emphasis placed on PL as opposed to SLs? He means that the Bisu's schedule (which is implied to be decided by the coach on what he practices) doesn't allow any time for him to practice for individual leagues as compared to Flash or JD. It has nothing to do with who is burdened to win more in PL. His practice time is supposedly limited physically, not because he has more stress and has to practice more for PL.
Then this is a coaching issue--by that logic Bisu should have easily the best SPL and SWL record (but he doesn't). Something is happening that is affecting his play; maybe it's psychological weakness, maybe it's that he's hit a natural skill cap; who knows. But you can't place the responsibility on anyone other than him for that.
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SKT1 focusing on proleague is nothing new.
Earlier (2007-2008? or so, maybe earlier) SKT1 players were only allowed to play in 1 individual league.
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On April 24 2011 16:00 _romantic wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 15:07 ketomai wrote:On April 24 2011 14:53 _romantic wrote:On April 24 2011 14:47 renzy wrote:On April 24 2011 14:42 _romantic wrote:On April 24 2011 14:38 Taekwon wrote:On April 24 2011 14:30 _romantic wrote:
Is what Bisu is doing now harder or easier than Flash or Jaedong carrying their teams? If not, why is he bitching about it? Although I understand we are on completely different teams, take the time to read the posts before making people repeat themselves. Thanks. Which posts are you referring to? I read through the entire thread before posting. You obviously did not. It's been stated several times that T1 focuses more on proleague. Therefore, Flash's situation is different. There was a time last year when KT dismissed Flash from SPL so that he can practice for individual leagues. Thats enough said about team emphasis on PL vs SL. Different, but not necessarily better. Flash has to carry his entire team alone--Bisu is on a team with Fantasy and Best. Jaedong has it even worse off--other than him it's Hiya... and Killer. Are you seriously implying that the pressure to need to prepare for your own match and the ace match, and worry about the overall performance of your tema, day after day is not equivalent of having more emphasis placed on PL as opposed to SLs? He means that the Bisu's schedule (which is implied to be decided by the coach on what he practices) doesn't allow any time for him to practice for individual leagues as compared to Flash or JD. It has nothing to do with who is burdened to win more in PL. His practice time is supposedly limited physically, not because he has more stress and has to practice more for PL. Then this is a coaching issue--by that logic Bisu should have easily the best SPL and SWL record (but he doesn't). Something is happening that is affecting his play; maybe it's psychological weakness, maybe it's that he's hit a natural skill cap; who knows. But you can't place the responsibility on anyone other than him for that.
What do you mean...he's still very good at proleague. I don't see any anomalies in his proleague play to suggest he has some "psychological" issue or has "hit his cap". It's hard to expect anyone to do better than Bisu is doing these days in WL. He just simply thinks he can do better than he's showing in individual leagues with more practice time; that's all there is to it. You seem to think he thinks he's finding excuses and implying that'd he be the undisputed champion or something. Of course Bisu can do better than the Ro32; I don't think a statement that he can do better is strange at all.
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On April 24 2011 14:53 _romantic wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 14:47 renzy wrote:On April 24 2011 14:42 _romantic wrote:On April 24 2011 14:38 Taekwon wrote:On April 24 2011 14:30 _romantic wrote:
Is what Bisu is doing now harder or easier than Flash or Jaedong carrying their teams? If not, why is he bitching about it? Although I understand we are on completely different teams, take the time to read the posts before making people repeat themselves. Thanks. Which posts are you referring to? I read through the entire thread before posting. You obviously did not. It's been stated several times that T1 focuses more on proleague. Therefore, Flash's situation is different. There was a time last year when KT dismissed Flash from SPL so that he can practice for individual leagues. Thats enough said about team emphasis on PL vs SL. Different, but not necessarily better. Flash has to carry his entire team alone--Bisu is on a team with Fantasy and Best. Jaedong has it even worse off--other than him it's Hiya... and Killer. Are you seriously implying that the pressure to need to prepare for your own match and the ace match, and worry about the overall performance of your tema, day after day is not equivalent of having more emphasis placed on PL as opposed to SLs?
How is Flash carries his team in PL different from Bisu carries his team? They both only have to practice for 1 match in regular PL + 1 ACE match. In WL it's also the same though Bisu usually gets sent out first or 2nd while Flash gets sent out last, who is more responsible for his team? And you have to count the focus of the team. In SKT as Bisu said, NO STARLEAGUE PREPARATION for crying out loud, they have to SECRETLY practice. Even if Flash has 1 hour to practice it's still better than none. And don't even mention the lame argument that Bisu should practice more. He is the most hard-working player in SKT1 and probably equal or even more than Flash and JD. But his team doesn't support him. They even prohibit him. And I don't even want to accuse Flash or JD of anything. Yes Flash won. But Bisu just WISHED he was allowed to practice for SL so that he PLAYED better and MIGHT have won. IT'S HIS RIGHT IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN?
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