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Game
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HawaiianPig
Canada5155 Posts
On April 26 2011 16:54 Game wrote: Thanks for comparing ISL to Combat-Ex. But, but but, On March 31 2011 05:24 Game wrote: Disclosure: This move is not a representation of the AoV iCCup Starleague staff, sponsors, or any participants, this is a sole effort to further the tournament.  | ||
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538
Hungary3932 Posts
On April 26 2011 16:51 HawaiianPig wrote: Just throwing this out there: This all reminds me of Combat-Ex asking for donations. If you dont offer criticism just dont throw in things like that. It's like you want to be vindicated in a debate without taking the time to actually make a point. "I think Game sucks. Discuss". Sure the act is questionable - and it has been questioned by countless people and mods before surely, in this very thread too -, but Game is not hiding from debate, standing behind his reasoning, and is at least promising to turn the proceedings towards an other community tournament like the ISL, that he has already delivered, not a penny for himself. (Or maybe you dont realize how much of an offense it is comparing someone to Combat-Ex in the scene?) As it is, your post reminds me of something rather terrible. | ||
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DejaVu119
United States131 Posts
On April 26 2011 15:57 Game wrote: [ To Dejavu119: Are you Deja the guy Semih left? That's just curiosity. But, furthermore, here's me addressing your well thought out points. 1) The people who are buying the replay packs can easily post in the thread that they bought them. That is the reason behind me saying that they are anonymous. People take flack for any support of anything I do, which is a blatant lulz for me. Therefore, I hold the option for solid minded contributors to remain anonymous, otherwise they can easily post in this thread or any others within the limits of AoV iCCup Starleague (so they don't get MOD sniped). I don't feel the need to prove anything. Simply because I don't feel the need and have never seen anyone else do so. And I by no means an innovator, just a strong enhancer. But as I said, anyone can say that they bought. 2) By your definition of organized, no it is not. It is broken down by players, stages, and levels in the tournament. But no, I did not go through almost 9500 replays... in fact proposing that is insane and seems almost to the point of phishing for licensing of byproduct. Yes, that was sarcasm for anyone who missed it. By no means is this going to be a huge part of the sponsoring for my largest tournament, just a chance for the community to give back to something it seeks so desperately. 3) I have no intention of "going after" someone. If you actually read the OP I point out that exactly what you said is going to happen, and that I won't release them without 50 pre-orders. So... reading the OP would've answered that question. To Game: Yes I am the same to assuage your curiosity. All I'm pointing out is the very large POTENTIAL for misconduct. Which is why, for the sake of your integrity, I am suggesting some openness WITH anonymity. Perhaps, some pictures of the paypal account with all information blotted out accept for the number of 5 and 10 dollar transfers so that people know how much the next prize pool will be supported. I've been advised not to use paypal (no I'm not trying to attack paypal or anything; do as you wish) so I'm not entirely sure how much you can organize the information. I would expect there to be a way and you should take advantage of it, but it seems like it would be pretty simple to show while maintaining anonymity. I hope your not taking this as some sort of attack on you. I don't even know you. I do support any work done to improve the BW community. I'm simply trying to ease some major concerns that I had for potential buyers and, in reality, for you as well. I'm not the one that is going to get attacked if someone get suspicious over the money. Personally, if i was in your shoes, I would make the effort to prove how much was purchased, how much is going to the organizers of the event, and how much is going to the next prize pool. It's a simple, smart, proactive action to take. | ||
Sayle
United Kingdom3685 Posts
On April 26 2011 15:57 Game wrote: Until people start trying to help the community instead of whining and trolling 24/7, they are just murmuring voices, therefore I am better than them. It's actually very simple logic. So while people may not like me, it's hard to like people whom are honest about their ambitions and thoughts. Sure, I could kiss ass to a bunch of people who make absolutely no contribution to something they seem to have martyred for and hold so dear, or at least that's how they try to portray themselves. But in hindsight and retrospect, I don't have enough time or want in my life to do such a time consuming thing. The grass is greener on the other side anyhow. Summary: talk is cheap. 100% agree with this. I understand why a lot of people dislike Game and I do think he could handle some situations more...politely. However, I'm not going to let my own personal 'morals' get in the way of doing something amazing for the BW community, so unless someone else comes up to me with solid plans for a $1000 starleague, I'm going to continue working with Game and appreciating everything he's doing for us. | ||
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HawaiianPig
Canada5155 Posts
On April 26 2011 17:18 538 wrote: If you dont offer criticism just dont throw in things like that. It's like you want to be vindicated in a debate without taking the time to actually make a point. "I think Game sucks. Discuss". Sure the act is questionable - and it has been questioned by countless people and mods before surely, in this very thread too -, but Game is not hiding from debate, standing behind his reasoning, and is at least promising to turn the proceedings towards an other community tournament like the ISL, that he has already delivered, not a penny for himself. (Or maybe you dont realize how much of an offense it is comparing someone to Combat-Ex in the scene?) As it is, your post reminds me of something rather terrible. I opted to stay out of getting deeply into the debate because most of what I care to say has been said already. Re: On April 11 2011 02:48 Chef wrote: The issue is that this community has a 10 year tradition of community projects being done for free. BWChart, RWAs, PenguinPlug, ChaosLauncher, WGTour, PGTour, iCCup, LMRB, and countless others. Now a few guys organize what must be the millionth tournament BW has had, and they want financial compensation for their 'hard work.' Those countless projects which not only needed hard work, but skilled persons to accomplish... That is, often someone who actually has training in programming. Yeah, it's just a little insulting to the rich tradition of BW Community History. Also: I'm very aware of what that comparison implies, and I fail to see how different this situation is. Combat-Ex would ask for donations for a service he provides "for free" to the community; granted it was a very awful service full of misinformation... his intentions were still about the same as this replay pack. To help expand what he saw as a boon to the community and to get something back in return as compensation for "hard work." The real testament to how ridiculous this is lies in how this entire thread has been nothing but bickering. It very much is reminiscent of discussions regarding Combat Ex's donations. I'm sorry if that realization of mine offends. Transparency with the funds and straight up donations rather than withholding of replays would make this look a lot better. | ||
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Game
3191 Posts
Son of a 5am! To HawaiianPig: Anyhow, I do concur that my approach here wasn't as well thought out as it should be. Not there this is much wrong with it, just more that I didn't think of the community I'd be posting into. Specifically the whiners and naysayers. To Deja: You literally just asked me to give a screenshot of peoples personal account information for the likes of appeasing people I don't want to. Just sayin. | ||
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Sayle
United Kingdom3685 Posts
On April 26 2011 17:55 Game wrote: I didn't think of the community I'd be posting into. Specifically the whiners and naysayers. I did warn you  | ||
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DejaVu119
United States131 Posts
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538
Hungary3932 Posts
On April 26 2011 17:47 HawaiianPig wrote: I opted to stay out of getting deeply into the debate because most of what I care to say has been said already. Seems like you just wanted your voice heard, without investing much time or effort. That's simply not good forum etiquette, kinda implies your opinion is more important than others'. Just imagine what would happen if everyone just posted "I agree with A or B" instead of making an argument. That's not contributing anything to the conversation, it's just a flamebait. (Though increasing your post count and the thread size too) I'm just arguing that next time you form an opinion of something, you shant necessarily post it. (If you agree with something you can at least quote what parts you exactly argue with, maybe even try to refute some claims that were made against said point. Otherwise, once again, maybe it's not worth mentioning at all) | ||
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LML
Germany1781 Posts
There are thousands of people online who do such stuff for free, even better things. How exactly have they been involved in all this, since afaik Game did most of the work. | ||
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Game
3191 Posts
On April 26 2011 21:58 LML wrote: It's actually sad that JoeKim and noOne want that money, how selfish is that? There are thousands of people online who do such stuff for free, even better things. How exactly have they been involved in all this, since afaik Game did most of the work. To Marius: nOoNe and JoeKim had different, but important roles. Not only did they weekly help with counter abuse and watching massive amounts of replay packs, but refereed a brunt of the tournament. My decisions were final, but they were the means to an end while I was casting or running Clan League for LRM) or what not. They were primary staff as well as helped me with planning. You can thank nOoNe for the format of the map pool, as well as some of the maps. You can thank him for me not cancelling the tournament when iCCup was being retarded (status quo). There are other things, but onto JoeKim. JoeKim mediated my mediator voice. I literally ran almost every major decision by him and talked them out with him, not as if he ran the tournament, but that's time consuming. I mean there are lots of things, but all in all nOoNe and JoeKim were very much involved in this tournament. Specifically nOoNe spent about 1/3 as many man hours as I did in this tournament, and that's a lot. | ||
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beenizzle
United States141 Posts
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Game
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Chef
10810 Posts
At the same time though, you are so abrasive, and unwilling to accept criticism... I can't feel too badly. It's reality that people don't like your idea. That's not something I made up, or am concocting to defame you. To call these people nay-sayers and whiners and whatever other names you've been throwing out is just denial of what's happened. You had a bad idea. The community didn't like it. It's your fault, not the community's for not liking your idea. So don't feel too bad for yourself  Your snappy comments are what took this from being a generally not very good idea to being personal. | ||
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Game
3191 Posts
On April 27 2011 01:33 Chef wrote: In a way, I feel for Game. If you've not been a part of this community for a very long time, it must be hard to understand why you'd get such a harsh reaction. I think when this thread was closed, it was to save you from that criticism... Were it just left closed, you would have understood it's not a popular idea at TL. I guess when it was reopened, they just wanted you to see for yourself what happens when you do something like this. At the same time though, you are so abrasive, and unwilling to accept criticism... I can't feel too badly. It's reality that people don't like your idea. That's not something I made up, or am concocting to defame you. To call these people nay-sayers and whiners and whatever other names you've been throwing out is just denial of what's happened. You had a bad idea. The community didn't like it. It's your fault, not the community's for not liking your idea. So don't feel too bad for yourself Your snappy comments are what took this from being a generally not very good idea to being personal. That post was pointless. I already conceded that there could have been a better approach - first two paragraphs eliminated. Last sentence: I don't feel bad for myself at all, nor is this personal. If there is anyone I feel bad for it is you, based on your delusional banter. | ||
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_Quasar_
Russian Federation4405 Posts
Any money going into BW is precious. Though I hope even for more serious sponsorship from serious sponsors in the future. | ||
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Chef
10810 Posts
On April 27 2011 01:51 Game wrote: That post was pointless. I already conceded that there could have been a better approach - first two paragraphs eliminated. Last sentence: I don't feel bad for myself at all, nor is this personal. If there is anyone I feel bad for it is you, based on your delusional banter. Then why do you feel the need to make responses like that? You are continually unable to show genuine humility. 'I concede... BUT ONE MORE THING BEFORE IM DONE blah blah blah. your post is pointless... blah blah... you're delusional.' I'm trying to tell you that you have a shitty attitude and that's what needs to be fixed if you want more people to support your projects. | ||
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
Shame kolll didn't win the tournament then this wouldn't even be needed.. | ||
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kamikami
France1057 Posts
One remark though, the seller shouldn't bad mount potential customers lol. | ||
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