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Boblion
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On April 09 2011 05:46 Boblion wrote: Chef is an expert 3x3 BGH player ~ I wonder if he'll mass flame in the coming prized 3v3 BGH tournament I'm organizing and hosting. | ||
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oovv
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On April 09 2011 06:07 Game wrote: I wonder if he'll mass flame in the coming prized 3v3 BGH tournament I'm organizing and hosting. Isn't KoS-Templar organizing and hosting that? | ||
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LuckyFool
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KoS-Templar
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Game is organizing and hosting this tournament. I'm just helping/sponsoring this upcoming tourny. | ||
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On April 09 2011 08:10 LuckyFool wrote: if one of the main goals of this tournament was to help keep foreign bw alive charging for the replays is a pretty terribad move from a PR standpoint... oh wellz I definitely wont be paying for this. That's fine, as many people have said: if you wanted to contribute, it's appreciated, if not... keep it to yourself, I think there's been enough people making your point already. | ||
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XsebT
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Best example: sports on TV | ||
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XsebT
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Also, as I see it, it's mainly the players that are producing this material, not you. You're producing the VODs with commentary etc - that is your product. You don't exactly provide an exclusive playing field - kespa did that in a sense. That doesn't necesarily make it illigal, it just makes you look like a douche. | ||
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XsebT
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On April 10 2011 07:20 Game wrote: Thanks for your opinion. Game agrees with me. Edit, I was actually expecting a PR response. It's stupid of you to believe you can just get away with something like "Don't like it, don't buy it", which wouldn't be in relation to my point anyway. Thus I simply expect you to agree with my point, but do it anyway. Basically a quesion about morals. | ||
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Game
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On April 10 2011 07:20 Game wrote: Thanks for your opinion. | ||
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masterbreti
Korea (South)2711 Posts
On April 10 2011 07:28 XsebT wrote: Game agrees with me. Edit, I was actually expecting a PR response. It's stupid of you to believe you can just get away with something like "Don't like it, don't buy it", which wouldn't be in relation to my point anyway. Thus I simply expect you to agree with my point, but do it anyway. Basically a quesion about morals. as someone who works a crap ton to archive replays (having archived over 10GB of replays so far) i was hopign for isl replays to be a welcome addition and a huge archive of later bw history. I was hoping that the BW community would thrive again and the rare and old replays i have collected for months would be wanted. Would i sell them, no. it would be a gift to the community who has kept this game alive for so long and for being passionate about bw. I've deleted the replays due to this thread. not worth it anymore since people would expect me to profit from it. EDIT: It seems as well that the additional money (the 90%) will not go to bw tournaments, but will go to a BGH tournament. so a mod of bw instead of bw, nice work :/ | ||
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L_Master
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On April 10 2011 07:53 masterbreti wrote: as someone who works a crap ton to archive replays (having archived over 10GB of replays so far) i was hopign for isl replays to be a welcome addition and a huge archive of later bw history. I was hoping that the BW community would thrive again and the rare and old replays i have collected for months would be wanted. Would i sell them, no. it would be a gift to the community who has kept this game alive for so long and for being passionate about bw. I've deleted the replays due to this thread. not worth it anymore since people would expect me to profit from it. Are you saying you just deleted 10 GB worth of replays? o.O Why? And how would people expect you to profit from it. On April 09 2011 08:10 LuckyFool wrote: if one of the main goals of this tournament was to help keep foreign bw alive charging for the replays is a pretty terribad move from a PR standpoint... oh wellz I definitely wont be paying for this. I really don't understand the hate here. Maybe its not totally flawless from a PR standpoint but what on earth is wrong with selling the replays from one tournament to raise money to help organize an even better BW event? 90% of this money is going right back into the community, and I have no problems at all with this. | ||
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masterbreti
Korea (South)2711 Posts
On April 10 2011 08:07 L_Master wrote: Are you saying you just deleted 10 GB worth of replays? o.O Why? And how would people expect you to profit from it. yes, about 10GB, but more if i had decompressed it all. replays that were really hard to find and that most likely won't be seen by the light of day again, hidden away in the crevasses of the interwebz and hardrives of former bw players. tbh this has put a horrible taste in my mouth about the whole thing. doing something for the community is now a money making venture by Game. regardless of the hours put in, you should not profit from it. I am going to reference TSL and TSL 2. do you think chill, artosis, day9, or any of the casters or organizers who worked night and day benifited from doing the work, no. did they ask for money in return for casting. no. they did it for the community, the replays were released and shared with all, and the vods are still on youtube to this day. it was a community project and should be from the passion for bw. nobody should profit from that except the people who win the tournament. | ||
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
On April 10 2011 08:18 masterbreti wrote: yes, about 10GB, but more if i had decompressed it all. replays that were really hard to find and that most likely won't be seen by the light of day again, hidden away in the crevasses of the interwebz and hardrives of former bw players. tbh this has put a horrible taste in my mouth about the whole thing. doing something for the community is now a money making venture by Game. regardless of the hours put in, you should not profit from it. I am going to reference TSL and TSL 2. do you think chill, artosis, day9, or any of the casters or organizers who worked night and day benifited from doing the work, no. did they ask for money in return for casting. no. they did it for the community, the replays were released and shared with all, and the vods are still on youtube to this day. it was a community project and should be from the passion for bw. nobody should profit from that except the people who win the tournament. Still not sure what that has to do with you deleting all those replays. Sounds like you think game is pulling a douche move and then your deleting all those reps out of spite/anger? I just don't see how game selling replays has anything to do with you and your replays. As far as making money, 90% goes to another BW tournament. This is a good thing. If you disagree about the 10% going back to Game or noOne then I think we just have differing opinions. Yes, I know it sets it a precedent but 5-10% for organizing, finding sponsors, etc strikes me as reasonable. Chill/Day/Artosis et al. may not have asked for any money in return, but as I see it they certainly would have been more than deserving. | ||
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masterbreti
Korea (South)2711 Posts
On April 10 2011 08:37 Game wrote: I am not making any profit off of these replays #1 which is clearly stated in the OP. You're posting a lot of ignorant things. More importantly, teamliquid has much more capability to gain sponsorship for tournaments, and those were done pre-SC2, which is just common sense. All this talk about passion though, want a hug? but selling something that should be free is not proper. if this tournament was truly for the community, then the community should donate themselves. and not be forced into it to get the replays. why not sell isl t-shirts instead. nobody would most likely buy them but at least its better than doing something in such poor taste as selling replays. tl didn't have sponsors in the beginning, they worked hard as hell to get them. maybe you should go back and listen to the story of the first tsl and maybe learn a little bit more about ethics in the bw community, as you have none. you are trying to make money off of this, otherwise you would not say %10 goes to organizers. you have had obivious motivations other than helping the bw community. i had my suspicisions about you to beginning with, now they have become clear. | ||
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