Daily E-Sports interviews Bisu and Stork: Talking Protoss with Taekbang
Their fans refer to them as Taekbang: Bisu and Stork. Bisu, who’s PvZ is at a level above the rest, and Stork, who has the best PvT—if the two were to merge into one player, they would be undefeatable. Given this, it is not surprising that fans view Taekbang as the living incarnations of the Protoss race. However, last season, both players experienced a year of darkness. In addition, during the dark age of protoss, “Leesang” was inserted in front of Taekbang, relegating the two to supporting roles to Flash and Jaedong. Whether in Proleague or in individual Starleagues, Flash and Jaedong slowly pushed Taekbang into the background. After going through a season as cold as winter, Taekbang is awakening from their slumber. As slivers of sunlight begin to shine, they begin to show their power (T/N: literally, bloom). This is especially true of Bisu, who is currently on an 8 win streak in Proleague (T/N: this was from a few days ago; current streak is 10 wins). As soon as more sunlight comes through, the Protoss will usher in a new era. We anticipate the revival of Bisu and Stork, the leaders of the six dragons. Let’s hear all they have to say about Protoss.
◆ The dark age of Protoss? It’s all because of the maps!
DES= It’s been a long time since the two of you have greeted the fans together. Please say hello to the fans.
Bisu: Hello, I’m Bisu! I haven’t had the chance to do an interview in quite a while. (laughs)
Stork: If even Bisu says that, I have nothing to say. (laughs) I’m Stork, who has even less chances to interview. (laughs)
Bisu: That’s not true, Stork-hyung has done quite well in Starleague. I haven’t had much chance to interview for individual leagues (laughs).
Stork: Well, it’s not like I was able to win the championship, so whatever (laughs).
DES = I agree that you two haven’t had many chances to interview recently. (laughs) This is mainly because Flash and Jaedong have ushered in the Leesang era this past year. From the perspective of Taekbang, does this hurt your confidence? I’m curious about what you two have to say about them.
Stork: Of course I’m very envious. I’m envious that they are always the aces for their respective teams. In Khan, both Jangbi and Great often play in ace matches; my chances of even appearing in the lineup has been decreasing. So I’m jealous of the number of matches they get to play, and, of course, their win ratio.
Bisu: I’m also very envious. Both players are really outstanding (laughs). Since the current maps are so unfavorable for protoss, there really isn’t much I can do.
DES= Last year, it wasn’t only a dark period for Taekbang but for the whole protoss race. Is that the reason that you guys kept losing to Leesang?
Bisu: During the time Taekbang played poorly, if even one Protoss player did well, it woudn’t be called a dark era. Actually, it was kind of a dark era for zergs as well, but because they had Jaedong, it doesn't really make sense to call it that.
Stork: As long as a race has one excellent player, the whole race will tend to do well. Because Flash and Jaedong each led their respective races, Terran and Zerg players were able to play at a higher level. New tactics and strategies were continually appearing.
DES=Why do you think there hasn’t been the excellent player for Protoss?
Stork: I think the maps have played a huge role. Protoss’ performance heavily depends on whether the map is P-favored or not, so naturally with bad maps comes bad performance. The maps have been very good for Terran, and there really isn’t a map where Zergs would feel like they would definitely lose against Protoss. Protoss really depends on maps. Also, when maps stay in the map pool for too long, it’s also disadvantageous for us. Protoss depend on catching Terran off guard to win. If a map is used for too long, no matter how unfavorable it is for Terran, they will be able to adapt eventually. And when they do, we lose our advantage.
Bisu: I agree. Protoss’ performance really is decided by the maps. I feel really strongly about that. I’m not saying this as if I want the mapmakers to make P-favored maps; I’m just stating a fact about the basics of the race. One less mineral patch* can change the way match is played: such is the way Protoss works. We are supposed to have an advantage against Terran, but lately they’ve increased their skill, so even this advantage is gone. *[T/N: Chinese version says pylon, but Korean version says mineral patch. Thanks Ryo!]
DES=Then is it true that if Protoss wants to develop further, an outstanding player must appear?
Stork: I think that the players that are worth learning from need to show some results. The Protoss of SKT are really worth learning from; after watching Bisu and Best play, I really want to learn from them. Jangbi feels the same. It’s regretful that the current highest ranked Protoss in the Kespa rankings is Free-hyung. (laughs) When watching him play, it doesn’t seem like there’s much to learn. (laughs) I’m joking though. But we really need an absolutely dominant Protoss to appear, a player that makes everyone who watches feel “Wow, this player is really very good, I have to learn this style!” [T/N: thanks endy for confirming 灯哥=Free] Bisu: Stork-hyung is being too humble. My play is nothing to learn from.
Stork: What? We can learn a lot from it! Bisu, you should just say “I will do my best to play well.”
Bisu: I’m not good enough.
Stork: Anyway, no matter the case, I’m not satisfied that Free-hyung is currently the highest ranked protoss. (laughs)
◆The tragedy of vT and vZ: an abridged version
DES=Besides the maps, what are other problems Protoss face?
Bisu: The most glaring problem is that there needs to be a more balanced unit AI. A lot of the units are really dumb. (laughs) Take reavers and dragoons for example, they have really poor AI. When using dragoons, sometimes they just stay in place and don’t move. And reavers often shoot scarabs that don’t explode. Vultures are so cheap to make but you never have mines that don’t explode; comparatively, the expensive reaver has dud scarabs. It’s not fair.
Stork: So that’s why our units are weak. In a brief moment if you don’t pay attention, all the units will become ice cream. Same goes for Zerg—if you are slower by just a second, everything is gone. (laughs) You need to control your units well, but it’s hard not to be nervous during televised matches, so good control is hard.
DES=You guys talk about the unit types not being balanced, so then which unit follows commands best?
Bisu: Is there such a unit? (laughs) Stork: Yeah, if there is a unit like that, I’ll give it a prize. (laugh) Bisu: Actually there is one. Probes are relatively good to control. Forget about the rest. Stork: Probes are good at mining. (laugh)
DES= As the representatives of your race, you both have different play styles and strengths. It gives you two a lot of charm. Bisu excels at PvZ whie Storks PvT is incomparable. But there’s an even more interesting point. Each of your strengths is the weakness of the other: Bisu’s PvT and Stork’s PvZ. What do you guys think about that?
Bisu: It’s true, I really don’t have any ideas about PvT. (laughs) Sometimes during a game, I think “Why did I do this?” (laughs) It makes me depressed that no matter how much I practive PvT, I can’t play the matchup well. In the past, when I saw comments like “Bisu, you must not use carriers at all costs!” I agreed with them. (laughs) It’s not that I don’t like carriers, I just don’t know how to use them correctly. (laughs) I can’t get the feel for them, but when I watch Stork-hyung control them, I think that he must have his own secret for them. In comparison, although PvZ is hard, Zerg has no units with massive range like siege tanks, so the matchup feels doable. (laughs) I’ve always been scared of tanks; when I see them I have to play very carefully. In PvZ, you can use corsairs to scout the opponent and react accordingly, but in PvT you can’t use that strategy so there’s an uneasy feeling of not knowing what the opponent is doing. That’s why my PvT is so terrible.
Stork: To me, PvZ is like a nightmare. (laughs) Recently, Zergs have all been using sim cities to defend, and I can’t find a way to break through. So I took a look at Bisu’s games but he was able to break the defenses so easily that I couldn’t find any answers. (laughs) Bisu says the key is to make corsairs and scout, but even when I do that, I can’t glean any useful information about the opponent’s strategy. It’s kind of useless for me. (laughs) But what’s funny is that in PvT, once my observer comes out to scout, I know exactly what my opponent wants to do. Doesn’t work for PvZ though, so it’s a little weird. (laughs)
DES= So after all this talk, we see that Bisu is deeply angered by PvT and Stork is deeply angered by PvZ.
Stork: It’s not really to that extent yet. (laughs)
Bisu: My motto is hard work!
DES= If the two of you became one player, that would be formidable.
Stork: We wouldn’t lose to anyone. Even if we had to play Flash. (laughs)
Bisu: I also feel the same way. Stork-hyung and I together would make the strongest Protoss.
DES= In Proleague, there are a lot of good Protosses currently. How long do you think this will last?
Stork: After switching to new maps, all three races are played. We need to develop new builds. Even though now Protoss has a lot of opportunities to play, but it won’t be long before the Terrans and Zergs find ways to use the maps to their advantage.
Bisu: In rounds 3 and 4, the format will be Winner’s League. That’s when Protoss will have trouble.
Stork: Hopefully for the sake of Protoss, the maps will be switched more often. (laughs)
DES= If it was possible to make one change to Protoss, what would you choose?
Stork: The damage of storms should revert to as it was in the 1.07 patch! (laughs)
Bisu: If one storm could kill a lurker, that would make PvZ much easier! (laughs)
◆The destiny of Taekbang: to break the rule of Leesang
DES= Last season was the era of Leesang. Everybody wanted to be the ones to break their dominance.
Stork: It must have been every player’s dream to defeat Leesang and become the new best player. Especially for me and Bisu, we wanted to be added back into the picture of Taekbang Leesang. They got rid of Taekbang and dominated as simply Leesang, it didn’t make us feel good.
Bisu: My goal this season is to break the rule of Leesang. I believe that in order to develop E-sports, another excellent player must come to the stage in both Proleague and in individual leagues.
DES= Do you have confidence to break the reign of Leesang?
Stork: After the last OSL semifinals, I have the confidence that I can beat Jaedong. I very rarely have the feel for playing PvZ, but at the time I did. No matter what, I feel like I can win. But Flash seems to be harder to defeat. (laughs) No matter how perfectly I play, I still don’t have the confidence because of the current Terran dominance. I guess, Flash must be ripped of his throne first.
Bisu: I don’t have confidence against either of them. But it’s not only them, I don’t have a lot of confidence against anyone. (laughs) When Flash and Free were to play in the semifinals, I helped Flash practice. He really played very well. I’ve also helped Jaedong. It was so hard to win against him and it was so tiring. Practicing with them during the offseason has made me feel that I need to work harder.
DES= It’s time to end the interview. Do you have anything to say to each other?
Stork: You’ve been performing so well in Proleague lately, I’m so envious. When will I be able to catch up? (laughs) I hope the rest of the Protoss continue to slump, while you, me, Jangbi, and Best continue to play well. (laughs) Even if a player like Free plays well, there isn’t too much to learn. (laughs) Hopefully we can meet at the finals of Starleague. Let’s work hard together!
Bisu: I really want to work hard for the individual leagues this time. Stork-hyung, you must work hard too and we’ll meet at the top of the competition. Once we have confidence, we wil be able to play well. Hyung fighting!
DES= And lastly, how about a couple of words for the fans who haven’t seen a Taekbang interview in such a long time.
Bisu: There haven’t been many chances to do interviews lately, so I haven’t been able to greet the fans often. I will use this chance to increase my face time, so look forward to it! Together, Stork-hyung and I will lead the revival of Protoss. I hope you will all cheer us on.
Stork: I will protect the pride of Protoss, and along with Bisu, I will show you guys a different side of me during the competitions. In order to see the fans often, I will work hard for good results. I hope you all support Protoss and Taekbang. Fighting!
---- That was long! Feel free to point out any mistakes. This was translated from Chinese, so if you can read Korean and see any discrepancies, please let me know. Thanks!
aww fml i was in the middle of page 2 of this thanks for translation though!
edit: also, "down with free" seems to be an interesting theme here
edit again: also, i think 水晶 might refer to either a mineral patch or one of those big neutral crystal buildings, but probably not a pylon since they're talking about map structure
On November 17 2010 11:28 infinitestory wrote: aww fml i was in the middle of page 2 of this thanks for translation though!
edit: also, "down with free" seems to be an interesting theme here
edit again: also, i think 水晶 might refer to either a mineral patch or one of those big neutral crystal buildings, but probably not a pylon since they're talking about map structure
Sorry!
And I'll add that part in about the mineral patch. Yeah, I thought pylon was a bit weird. Thanks! If you find more, let me know
Sorry if it offends any Stars/STX fans, but when Kal and free are the best tosses, I really just see them as placeholders. They don't have it in them to dominate the scene, only to basically be 09 Flash. If it's not Stork or Bisu at the top but rather Kal/free, then the protoss aren't doing well enough. Maybe they have a different reason. Either way, Bisu and Stork(and while we're at it, Jaedong. Wtf?) need a concentrated dose of confidence so that they can defeat anyone. I know they have the skill, I just don't see them using it.
Free is known to be a jokester and a prick in his own practice house, even. I'm pretty sure Stork/Bisu are pretty tight with Free, Best, and Jangbi (probably not Kal... lololol). I already read the DES (the original) version, I don't think there are any major discrepancies. Thanks for translation.
Thank you so much for this interview! It looks like the players have removed their "I'll try my best for the fans" masks and candidly shared their opinions on things.
Thanks alot for the translation! it's translations like these take very long time and appreciation is not expressed nearly to the degree it deserves . Perfectman will be the protoss bonjwa btw.
Stork and free are both in [gm]. They have a long history of playing on BNet and are very good friends. It's not really BM, he's joking and free is laughing with him. If you read any of the interviews from the Korean Air Season 2 OSL when they were in the Ro16 together you would understand that they really respect each other.
Legend of the fall! They will each win a Starleague.
On November 17 2010 11:34 amazingxkcd wrote: that was kinda interesting that Bisu said his play has nothing to be learned from when hes coming off a 10-win streak...
Arguably there really isn't, he's playing a lot better but he's not brining anything new to the table.
Wow, that was amazing. Best interview I've seen btw them in years. I'm so happy they want to rip flash off his thrown. I felt a little bad for free though. Bisu FIGHTING! SKT-1 FIGHTING!
btw: what's [T/N] actually stand for, is it technical note?
Wow, that was a great interview, I had fun reading that. Thank you very much for the translations! lol Poor Free, nothing to learn from hahahaha so harsh but so funny. It's really interesting reading that interview especially the differences in their match ups. We need some Protosses to lead us back into the light, Bisu and Stork fighting!
On November 17 2010 12:24 BisuDagger wrote: Wow, that was amazing. Best interview I've seen btw them in years. I'm so happy they want to rip flash off his thrown. I felt a little bad for free though. Bisu FIGHTING! SKT-1 FIGHTING!
btw: what's [T/N] actually stand for, is it technical note?
I believe translator's.
Anyways, I love this interview and the talk about balance changes. How hilarious would it be if there was a balance change by blizzard now. Just like how in sc2...all people can do is blame blizzard......
On November 17 2010 12:44 Lightwip wrote: If I could make 1 change to protoss, I would make dragoons airborne. That would solve all the problems they have .
No man, make the corsair being able to shoot ground, so they can be used in PvT.
On November 17 2010 12:24 BisuDagger wrote: Wow, that was amazing. Best interview I've seen btw them in years. I'm so happy they want to rip flash off his thrown. I felt a little bad for free though. Bisu FIGHTING! SKT-1 FIGHTING!
btw: what's [T/N] actually stand for, is it technical note?
I believe it stands for "Translator's Note."
Thanks a ton for translating this! It was a fun read. I think it's cool that they are so upfront about imbalances and such. And if anyone knows what the Protoss race needs, it's them.
If he keeps trucking the way he has been, I'm hopeful for Bisu to become the hero Protoss need this year. He's been playing great, and I hope he can bring some new strategies to the table. His trademark PvZ lately has seemed to be changing slightly- the very zealot/sair heavy army with practically no dragoons seems to be doing some damage in proleague. Hopefully he has the confidence to try new things and be more aggressive with his strategies!
On November 17 2010 12:44 Lightwip wrote: If I could make 1 change to protoss, I would make dragoons airborne. That would solve all the problems they have .
No man, make the corsair being able to shoot ground, so they can be used in PvT.
Bisu will become indestructible.
Just having corsairs DW cheaper and cost less energy would do wonders for the PvT and PvZ, sadly that will never happen
What an amazing interview ! En taro adun ! Thank you very much ! They are so mean with free haha
Bisu said : When Flash and Free were to play in the semifinals, I helped Flash practice. He really played very well. I’ve also helped Jaedong. It was so hard to win against him and it was so tiring. Practicing with them during the offseason has made me feel that I need to work harder.
We know why he's so good this season. He practiced the whole offseason with Flash and Jaedong !
Also, I confirm 灯哥 is free, and 水晶 is pylon although it's more often referred as 水晶塔 (so it can't be confused with mineral patches)
edit : it's true that's it's about the map, so it makes more sense that it would be a mineral patch. It makes even more sense that because protoss bases are more saturated, they mine out faster, so protoss are more affected by a map with fewer mineral patches.
A Taekbang interview - it must be Xmas already! Thanks for the translation, it was a great read.
It's clear the two have a mutual respect for each other, and they still look to be the most likely Toss players to beat Leesang in the individual leagues. Stork's form so far has been a bit worrying, but maybe somebody will take his phone off him and he'll get his focus back.
On November 17 2010 13:41 PineappleLumpsToss wrote: WTB Flash-Stork and Bisu-JD semis this season.
YES!
When you consider how good Bisu's PvZ is and Jaedong's ZvP it's kinda irritating the two didn't meet in OSL or MSL semis/finals during their peaks so we could have seen some epic Bo5s*. Instead there was just the GOM special match which turned out to be a big tease due to set5.
* Fantasy ruined my dream during the 2009 Batoo OSL ;_;
In comparison, although PvZ is hard, Zerg has no units with massive range like siege tanks, so the matchup feels doable. (laughs) I’ve always been scared of tanks; when I see them I have to play very carefully. In PvZ, you can use corsairs to scout the opponent and react accordingly, but in PvT you can’t use that strategy so there’s an uneasy feeling of not knowing what the opponent is doing. That’s why my PvT is so terrible.
Wow, Bisu. This is exactly how I feel too. It's so hard to scout in PvT and tanks are just so scary. I'm pretty sure Bisu can go head to head with Jaedong, but Flash seems tough to break. But I think the answer is out there. Protoss have the most interesting unit composition imo, so there's a lot of potential. This makes them a lot harder to perfect, since they rely on the special units, but still. I can see Dark Archons being used with Arbiters to feedback and eliminate Science Vessels. Dark Archons can also be used to mind control "key siege tanks" in a tank line. For instance, if three tanks are pretty close to eachother, and there are a lot of tanks in shooting range, you just have to mind control one of them, and then the other tanks are shoot all three down. This works like Zealot drops, only you don't have to worry about anti-air. I can see Corsairs with Disruption Web being used with Carriers when you are going up against mass-goliaths. I also think Hallucination is underrated. I have used hallucinated Arbiters a lot when I want to force a recall. PvT is generally not very gas-heavy, so you can afford that. Imagine that you park a dragoon army with a few templars for storm just outside of the terran ball, then you send a arbiter and recall a ton of zealots on top of their tanks. After that you send in your dragoons and storm all over the place. I just can't see the Terran coming out on top. What makes PvT hard is like Bisu said, the range of Siege Tanks. I think Arbiters are key. Shuttles could also be used earlier in the game with similar intentions. Send in and drop two shuttles full of Zealots, then send in your dragoons. Usually this early in the game, anti-air is pretty lackluster, so I don't think shuttle drops would be too hard.
Do you have access to the translator forum? There was a staff that called dibs on this article... Be sure to check the thread before starting any articles cuz we don't want double translations where one gets thrown away. [edit] I see that he already mentioned it haha...
Kinda funny how they remark about lack of Protoss innovation making it hard for them to succeed - I think Ver remarked at some point about how innovation is super-important in SC (and that Flash is still innovating) so it's nice to see some top players actually come out and say the same thing.
Lol Bisu praising probes (and for good reason) and feeling strongly about maps (surprise!) The BM towards free is pretty funny.
Awesome interview. It is kind of true though, Free and Kal only really only at the top when Protoss in general aren't doing that well. When Bisu or Stork are at the top, Protoss all around are doing great and they're just dominating the whole scene.
On November 17 2010 15:25 ArvickHero wrote: Jeeeez why don't these two just fuckin teach each other the matchups instead of complaining it about it so goddamn much -_-
You'd think Bisu and Best would have done that a long time ago considering they live together and they're probably just as good of friends as Bisu/Stork.
that was such a great interview. why are these two so cute?! As much as I love Leessang, I'd love to see some more great contenders. Taek-shin and Dinotoss hwaiting!
edit: That video is amazing. I love when they hug and Bisu gets all giggly saying it feels like he's looking at a girl. hahahaha. Bisu's laugh is too cute.
On November 17 2010 15:25 ArvickHero wrote: Jeeeez why don't these two just fuckin teach each other the matchups instead of complaining it about it so goddamn much -_-
I'm pretty sure Bisu and Best are trying to do that to each other. It's just that hearing what you're supposed to do, and actually managing to do it, are different things-
DES= If the two of you became one player, that would be formidable. Stork: We wouldn’t lose to anyone. Even if we had to play Flash. (laughs) Bisu: I also feel the same we. Stork-hyung and I together would make the strongest Protoss.
Borkchon!
@Bisu's probe - Lulz. Goddamn probes killin my scvs.
On November 17 2010 12:01 Cambium wrote: Lol, bisu and stork simultaneously complaining about race imba and map imba.
they're just stating the truth. protoss needs better maps.
But map creators went a little too far with Central Plains lol. It's become a protoss Battle Royal ! We saw some very entertaining PvPs there though (ratatatata anyone ?)
this interview is hilarious, I think they don't have enough confidence to be champions in their own mind.. I mean if you wanted to be consistent in the past Bisu you wouldn't be this guy that keeps on complaining about map balance.
Anyway, I miss the Brood War scene.. and it kinda makes me sad that this has only been 4 pages unlike before this type of stuff gets to around 20 to 30 more.
On November 17 2010 19:13 Licmyobelisk wrote: this interview is hilarious, I think they don't have enough confidence to be champions in their own mind.. I mean if you wanted to be consistent in the past Bisu you wouldn't be this guy that keeps on complaining about map balance.
Anyway, I miss the Brood War scene.. and it kinda makes me sad that this has only been 4 pages unlike before this type of stuff gets to around 20 to 30 more.
Yeah, neither of these two seem to have the killer instinct that you see from Jaedong or Flash.
In a sense, it's kind of nice that it's not 20-30 pages, because that would be way too much to read through...
On November 17 2010 19:13 Licmyobelisk wrote: this interview is hilarious, I think they don't have enough confidence to be champions in their own mind.. I mean if you wanted to be consistent in the past Bisu you wouldn't be this guy that keeps on complaining about map balance.
Anyway, I miss the Brood War scene.. and it kinda makes me sad that this has only been 4 pages unlike before this type of stuff gets to around 20 to 30 more.
Yeah, neither of these two seem to have the killer instinct that you see from Jaedong or Flash.
In a sense, it's kind of nice that it's not 20-30 pages, because that would be way too much to read through...
I agree. I don't think it's coincidence that Flash and JD are where they are. I get the feeling (based on the interviews I've read) that those two want to win more than Bisu/Stork, and they work harder than the two dragons.
I also often wonder whether Bisu has the self-confidence of Leesang. He generally comes across as self-deprecating and not overly confident, but maybe he's just trying to be modest and deep down he thinks he's the best player in the world.
On November 17 2010 19:13 Licmyobelisk wrote: this interview is hilarious, I think they don't have enough confidence to be champions in their own mind.. I mean if you wanted to be consistent in the past Bisu you wouldn't be this guy that keeps on complaining about map balance.
Anyway, I miss the Brood War scene.. and it kinda makes me sad that this has only been 4 pages unlike before this type of stuff gets to around 20 to 30 more.
Yeah, neither of these two seem to have the killer instinct that you see from Jaedong or Flash.
In a sense, it's kind of nice that it's not 20-30 pages, because that would be way too much to read through...
I agree. I don't think it's coincidence that Flash and JD are where they are. I get the feeling (based on the interviews I've read) that those two want to win more than Bisu/Stork, and they work harder than the two dragons.
I also often wonder whether Bisu has the self-confidence of Leesang. He generally comes across as self-deprecating and not overly confident, but maybe he's just trying to be modest and deep down he thinks he's the best player in the world.
You guys do know that there is other ways to achieve success in life than the "I will utterly and completely destroy everyone else" approach right ? Bisu's way is hairstyle, skin care, beautiful face and cross-dressing, and so are most of the SKT players. We use the power of love and beauty, not the power of will or determination. That doesn't mean Bisu cannot attain the same level as Flash and Jaedong. That's why Bisu and Best are my favorite players, and SKT is my favorite team. Leave that badass and killer bullshit for other teams, we are shining angels who rise to challenge the most terrible monsters and machines of universe could throw at us haha.
DES= If the two of you became one player, that would be formidable. Stork: We wouldn’t lose to anyone. Even if we had to play Flash. (laughs) Bisu: I also feel the same we. Stork-hyung and I together would make the strongest Protoss.
Borkchon!
@Bisu's probe - Lulz. Goddamn probes killin my scvs.
no... probes with 60 hp would kill marines and zerglings!!!! that'd be awesome!!!!
had a good laugh at the free bashing. BM at its finest, rofl!
besides that, awesome interview.
also, quit whining about "death of bw scene", interviews like these never got even TRANSLATED in the past time, NOR did they get over 10-20pages. I mean, even i have to suck out of my fingers some kind of comment. I think that many many more just read the iview!
Oh, so you think they don't have a point about map and ai imba? Before TaekBang protoss never even had a period of domination (other than the pre-pro circuit when GiYoM dominated with <100 apm.) If even they feel they can't do it, what makes you think you are right and they are wrong. Not every balance complaint is a whine.
On November 17 2010 19:52 PineappleLumpsToss wrote:
On November 17 2010 19:18 Funnytoss wrote:
On November 17 2010 19:13 Licmyobelisk wrote: this interview is hilarious, I think they don't have enough confidence to be champions in their own mind.. I mean if you wanted to be consistent in the past Bisu you wouldn't be this guy that keeps on complaining about map balance.
Anyway, I miss the Brood War scene.. and it kinda makes me sad that this has only been 4 pages unlike before this type of stuff gets to around 20 to 30 more.
Yeah, neither of these two seem to have the killer instinct that you see from Jaedong or Flash.
In a sense, it's kind of nice that it's not 20-30 pages, because that would be way too much to read through...
I agree. I don't think it's coincidence that Flash and JD are where they are. I get the feeling (based on the interviews I've read) that those two want to win more than Bisu/Stork, and they work harder than the two dragons.
I also often wonder whether Bisu has the self-confidence of Leesang. He generally comes across as self-deprecating and not overly confident, but maybe he's just trying to be modest and deep down he thinks he's the best player in the world.
You guys do know that there is other ways to achieve success in life than the "I will utterly and completely destroy everyone else" approach right ? Bisu's way is hairstyle, skin care, beautiful face and cross-dressing, and so are most of the SKT players. We use the power of love and beauty, not the power of will or determination. That doesn't mean Bisu cannot attain the same level as Flash and Jaedong. That's why Bisu and Best are my favorite players, and SKT is my favorite team. Leave that badass and killer bullshit for other teams, we are shining angels who rise to challenge the most terrible monsters and machines of universe could throw at us haha.
LMFAO, you speak the truth sir! An A+ comment right here.
Also, thanks for the translation OP! A great interview from Bisu and Stork.
That was hilarious. But I don't even want to think about the terran maps of last season I don'"t understand what they are QQing about now though: zerg is so far the protoss of this season (<50% in both match ups).
On November 17 2010 13:05 endy wrote: Also, I confirm 灯哥 is free, and 水晶 is pylon although it's more often referred as 水晶塔 (so it can't be confused with mineral patches)
edit : it's true that's it's about the map, so it makes more sense that it would be a mineral patch. It makes even more sense that because protoss bases are more saturated, they mine out faster, so protoss are more affected by a map with fewer mineral patches.
Thanks, I've made the appropriate changes!
On November 17 2010 14:52 CanucksJC wrote: Do you have access to the translator forum? There was a staff that called dibs on this article... Be sure to check the thread before starting any articles cuz we don't want double translations where one gets thrown away. [edit] I see that he already mentioned it haha...
Nope I had no idea, I guess only official translators can see that?
On November 18 2010 01:31 Ryo wrote: The Korean interview says mineral patch though.
I fell self-conscious whenever I read these player's interviews together, for some reason the though of a Borkchon comes to mind, and the 'date' vid doesn't help either.
These guys really need to transfuse their matchup knowledge to eachother, then they'd be unstoppable.
Ugh, just like the storyline, Protoss have Dark Templar and High Templar, the Void and Khalai, why can't we just have one REALLY REALLY good protoss just like for Terran and Zerg?
It's more like "foreigners discussing chinese, ROFLMAO !"
Made me depressed too I know my chinese sucks, but that's not really encouraging. This thread was not made to say "oh that's nice, foreigners browse our site to find interviews", it was more intended to laugh us
But actually they can't make the difference between pylon and mineral either...
edit : lol I just thought they may translate this post too. I don't wanna start a flame war between our communities T_T peace PLU <3
Lol, basically they're laughing at us not knowing whether the word means pylon or mineral and they're saying it means both (or at least from commentators) -____-
On November 18 2010 11:18 endy wrote: It's more like "foreigners discussing chinese, ROFLMAO !"
Made me depressed too I know my chinese sucks, but that's not really encouraging. This thread was not made to say "oh that's nice, foreigners browse our site to find interviews", it was more intended to laugh us
But actually they can't make the difference between pylon and mineral either...
edit : lol I just thought they may translate this post too. I don't wanna start a flame war between our communities T_T peace PLU <3
On a bright side, a lot of chinese people are struggling with English translations too. The "Smiling without saying anything" idiom made me laugh really hard. hahaha
On November 18 2010 17:41 infinitestory wrote: Whoa, I just looked it up, and Bisu 10-10 Stork lifetime against each other. I thought Stork had beaten Bisu way more for some reason O_o
Well they did just have that match in IEF that Bisu won, unless that doesn't count. Honestly, they had plenty of games, I think their rivalry can really go either way.
On November 18 2010 17:41 infinitestory wrote: Whoa, I just looked it up, and Bisu 10-10 Stork lifetime against each other. I thought Stork had beaten Bisu way more for some reason O_o
Funny thing is, despite 10-10 Stork probably has around 3 silvers thanks to Bisu.
I love Stork and Bisu, but damn man in my opinion it feels like they're hating a bit on the Terran race.
Bisu: "You never see vultures mines not exploding"
Me: WHAT ABOUT MINE DAEBAK (mines exploding on your own army) __ Stork: "In a brief moment if you don’t pay attention, all the units will become ice cream. Same goes for Zerg—if you are slower by just a second, everything is gone." ________
So umm.... what about Terran? If Terran doesn't siege at the right time they're fucked by Dragoons/Zealots charging at them. If you don't properly space out your mines you'll either get ran over by dragoons or mine dragged to death.
I'm not trying to take away from Bisu/Stork's moments to talk about the Protoss race, but I dunno I just think that's a little drastic to mention vultures being gamebreaking.
On November 17 2010 19:13 Licmyobelisk wrote: this interview is hilarious, I think they don't have enough confidence to be champions in their own mind.. I mean if you wanted to be consistent in the past Bisu you wouldn't be this guy that keeps on complaining about map balance.
Anyway, I miss the Brood War scene.. and it kinda makes me sad that this has only been 4 pages unlike before this type of stuff gets to around 20 to 30 more.
Yeah, neither of these two seem to have the killer instinct that you see from Jaedong or Flash.
In a sense, it's kind of nice that it's not 20-30 pages, because that would be way too much to read through...
On November 17 2010 19:13 Licmyobelisk wrote: this interview is hilarious, I think they don't have enough confidence to be champions in their own mind.. I mean if you wanted to be consistent in the past Bisu you wouldn't be this guy that keeps on complaining about map balance.
Anyway, I miss the Brood War scene.. and it kinda makes me sad that this has only been 4 pages unlike before this type of stuff gets to around 20 to 30 more.
Yeah, neither of these two seem to have the killer instinct that you see from Jaedong or Flash.
In a sense, it's kind of nice that it's not 20-30 pages, because that would be way too much to read through...
what ever, bisu has a wining record vs JD ^^
Barely, and you should not include the game @ destination played during the all-stars event, players never play seriously (Flash nuked himself against sAviOr in '09, Bisu went fast scout against Flash in '10, etc.), so it's a 7-7 record !
On November 18 2010 21:20 Silentness wrote: I love Stork and Bisu, but damn man in my opinion it feels like they're hating a bit on the Terran race.
Bisu: "You never see vultures mines not exploding"
Me: WHAT ABOUT MINE DAEBAK (mines exploding on your own army)
Mine Daebak is necessary because mines are so incredibly strong...god if it didn't do splash damage to ur own unit, AND it comes free with vultures...thats incredibly broken. (Not that they aren't broken right now)
On November 18 2010 21:20 Silentness wrote:
Stork: "In a brief moment if you don’t pay attention, all the units will become ice cream. Same goes for Zerg—if you are slower by just a second, everything is gone." ________
So umm.... what about Terran? If Terran doesn't siege at the right time they're fucked by Dragoons/Zealots charging at them. If you don't properly space out your mines you'll either get ran over by dragoons or mine dragged to death.
I'm not trying to take away from Bisu/Stork's moments to talk about the Protoss race, but I dunno I just think that's a little drastic to mention vultures being gamebreaking.
I get what u are saying about T not sieging at the right time but they are talking about the degree of one-sidedness.
For example, if T didn't siege in time, P army would kill them easily but heavy T mech damage + upgrades + mines will whittle down P's army a little.
If P or Z army ran into a heavily fortified tank line with mines, you should forget about doing ANY damage to T's army, your army just becomes goo.
On November 17 2010 11:21 amethyst wrote: DES=Why do you think there hasn’t been the excellent player for Protoss? Bisu: I agree. Protoss’ performance really is decided by the maps. I feel really strongly about that. I’m not saying this as if I want the mapmakers to make P-favored maps; I’m just stating a fact about the basics of the race. One less mineral patch* can change the way match is played: such is the way Protoss works. We are supposed to have an advantage against Terran, but lately they’ve increased their skill, so even this advantage is gone. *[T/N: Chinese version says pylon, but Korean version says mineral patch. Thanks Ryo!]
Yes Bisu knows the truth. I guess even progamers themselves realize that the old rule of T > Z > P > T holds true.
But Bisu tells us further that P does not > T. So it respectfully changes the rule to T > Z > P
And clearly shows why P has been performing the worst in BW pro scene for the last 10 years, why Z was always the 2nd, and T was always the best. Either fix PvT so P gets more advantage or Fix ZvT & ZvP so a Protoss bonjwa can be born
Let's not turn this into a imba discussion thread. I don't think either Stork or Bisu would seriously endorse any nerfing to BW. The point of the interviewer questions was to see what kinds of individual weaknesses Stork and Bisu believed they had against other races.
Stork : Hey Bisu, let's BM Free together in the interview, I don't like him ranked better than us at all. Bisu : I'd rather brushing my hair than doing that shit. Stork : If you help me BM Free I will help you QQ about map and race imbalance in the interview. Bisu : Euh.. OK lol.
Honestly, I thought this whole interview was faked. So much BM towards Free, a little too much complaining, and then some horrible sucking up to each others ego.
Then when I realized it was real, I started to question what they were saying. I assume this was a joke interview (more for the fans and to have fun, not serious style) That's how I interpreted the "laughs"
It's good to see some progamers having fun!
So, I actually think BeSt has passed Stork in PvT though... maybe BeSt and Bisu should merge to become BeSu or BiSt
On November 19 2010 09:54 catabowl wrote: Honestly, I thought this whole interview was faked. So much BM towards Free, a little too much complaining, and then some horrible sucking up to each others ego.
Then when I realized it was real, I started to question what they were saying. I assume this was a joke interview (more for the fans and to have fun, not serious style) That's how I interpreted the "laughs"
It's good to see some progamers having fun!
So, I actually think BeSt has passed Stork in PvT though... maybe BeSt and Bisu should merge to become BeSu or BiSt
On November 19 2010 09:54 catabowl wrote: Honestly, I thought this whole interview was faked. So much BM towards Free, a little too much complaining, and then some horrible sucking up to each others ego.
Then when I realized it was real, I started to question what they were saying. I assume this was a joke interview (more for the fans and to have fun, not serious style) That's how I interpreted the "laughs"
It's good to see some progamers having fun!
So, I actually think BeSt has passed Stork in PvT though... maybe BeSt and Bisu should merge to become BeSu or BiSt
Not even Stork > Best in PvT ANY day! I
I wouldn't say "any day"...there's been plenty of periods where Stork's level of play dropped enough to make many protosses seem superior.
Plus Best's PvT win% overall is better than Stork's.
On November 19 2010 09:47 kamikami wrote: Before the interview,
Stork : Hey Bisu, let's BM Free together in the interview, I don't like him ranked better than us at all. Bisu : I'd rather brushing my hair than doing that shit. Stork : If you help me BM Free I will help you QQ about map and race imbalance in the interview. Bisu : Euh.. OK lol.
LMFAO, gotta love both of them, but I can imagine that's how it went down.
On November 19 2010 09:54 catabowl wrote: Honestly, I thought this whole interview was faked. So much BM towards Free, a little too much complaining, and then some horrible sucking up to each others ego.
Then when I realized it was real, I started to question what they were saying. I assume this was a joke interview (more for the fans and to have fun, not serious style) That's how I interpreted the "laughs"
It's good to see some progamers having fun!
So, I actually think BeSt has passed Stork in PvT though... maybe BeSt and Bisu should merge to become BeSu or BiSt
Not even Stork > Best in PvT ANY day! I
I wouldn't say "any day"...there's been plenty of periods where Stork's level of play dropped enough to make many protosses seem superior.
Plus Best's PvT win% overall is better than Stork's.
Stork vT: 126-62 (67.02%) BeSt vT: 59-30 (66.29%) storks is exceptional considering he's held that higher percentage over twice the amount of games
Bisu: I’m also very envious. Both players are really outstanding (laughs). Since the current maps are so unfavorable for protoss, there really isn’t much I can do.
I knew this would be one of the first thing bisu says
EPT![[image loading]](http://i55.tinypic.com/2vvmlwh.jpg)
![[image loading]](http://i56.tinypic.com/6tfloh.jpg)
![[image loading]](http://i52.tinypic.com/2viqh6r.jpg)
![[image loading]](http://i55.tinypic.com/2croaqx.jpg)
![[image loading]](http://i51.tinypic.com/2zoetzs.jpg)
Thanks!
thanks for translation though!
. I also liked the mass QQing. But who cares because it's stork and bisu, they make everything better 
![[image loading]](http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/8332/capture2qq.jpg)
