EPTBlizzard and Korean Government's negotiations sour - Page 6
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ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
just like nada and the IEM story, lies lies. | ||
Waxangel
United States33432 Posts
On October 07 2010 17:35 HolydaKing wrote: haha sorry, but this just doesn't sound real. there are so many stories over in korea which seem to be untrue, and i believe this is one as well. just like nada and the IEM story, lies lies. except the nada story was true :o? | ||
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
Do you mean the same one as i do? Maybe i didn't get all the info, but http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=146083 is what i mean. | ||
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Veldril
Thailand1817 Posts
I think there's a disagreement, which is normal concerning that it was only the first meeting. However, I don't believe that the tone of the discussion would be that heated, considering that they are both high officials in important offices respectively. | ||
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rasers
Sweden691 Posts
On October 07 2010 16:43 Mickey wrote: Yes, because you decide what and what does not flourish correct? SC2 is not going to die if a Korean scene isn't stabilized. That's the most idiotic statement I've read so far in this thread. As an avid SC2 player like most on this forum, the foreign scene alone is enough to hold my interests. As long as Activision-Blizzard keep supporting the game and diverting resources to keeping the ladder competitive/supporting 3rd party tournaments. I'll keep playing SC2 regardless if there's a scene in Korea. i talk about esports. if we dont talk about esports even wc2 is still alive... if GSL moves outside of Korea its done with the "real esport" cause thats the only esport. the thing in the west is just a joke "esport". | ||
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robertdinh
803 Posts
Obviously the translation is a bit inaccurate, as 2 people in those positions would not converse with each other in that manner. Hell even a QA tester at blizzard would know not to behave like that. I do think the jist of it is semi-accurate though. Blizzard thinks their position is stronger than it actually is. They think they can kill off BW with brute wallet and bully tactics. GSL has lured some people, nada included, and to those of you saying if he was greedy he would stay as a bw pro, that simply isn't accurate. Nada is still good at bw, but he is not the dominating force, SC2 has weaker competition, if he, as a legitimate bw pro, switches over to sc2, he has a chance at 85k usd a month. That can be pretty lucrative next year. This was really my major concern with the pros switching over though. BW made them celebrities, it made them money, and it doesn't sit right with me how easily some of the more iconic pros just sorta push bw aside and essentially "sell out" for a chance at the GSL prize purse. Though a lot of people these days don't really understand loyalty and gratitude. | ||
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Waxangel
United States33432 Posts
On October 07 2010 17:43 Veldril wrote: I don't believe this is a fact.The content in it seems to be very exaggerated and should be opinion more than a fact. It could even be a false information from the original poster to incite the anti-Blizzard group. I think there's a disagreement, which is normal concerning that it was only the first meeting. However, I don't believe that the tone of the discussion would be that heated, considering that they are both high officials in important offices respectively. The post is legit, but you can question the original blogger all you want. | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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robertdinh
803 Posts
On October 07 2010 17:51 Holgerius wrote: Killing BW while moving SC2 out of Korea? Great way to kill E-sports, Blizzard. -__- Haha yea. I think people who think that esports is even remotely stable outside of korea, really don't have a wealth of knowledge on the whole scene. | ||
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Eury
Sweden1126 Posts
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hydraden
United States719 Posts
On October 07 2010 15:18 Selith wrote: Bad news for Korea: http://www.clubcity.kr/news/articleView.html?idxno=64339 In addition to Michael Morhaime, in attendance were: Members of USA FTA agency, as well as US embassy. If it did go down as bad as the eyewitness says it were, it might cause very negative impact in upcoming USA FTA policy as well as relations with USA. Since Korean government is very pro-USA and would do anything to be on good side with them, they might find themselves to be between a rock and a hard place, as they must find a way to appease both Korean chae-bols and interests of USA. Blizzard is nobody, US government won't care enough about Blizzard to lose an ally like Korea. Korea is so crucial in international relations for US, against North Korea, China, etc. | ||
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ffreakk
Singapore2155 Posts
On October 07 2010 16:43 Mickey wrote: Yes, because you decide what and what does not flourish correct? SC2 is not going to die if a Korean scene isn't stabilized. That's the most idiotic statement I've read so far in this thread. As an avid SC2 player like most on this forum, the foreign scene alone is enough to hold my interests. As long as Activision-Blizzard keep supporting the game and diverting resources to keeping the ladder competitive/supporting 3rd party tournaments. I'll keep playing SC2 regardless if there's a scene in Korea. I take it you mean you(and some others) will continue playing the game, so it lives on?. This obviously has nothing to do with E-Sports. I would like to just mention again that outside of Korea, the way things are now theres no game that's being successful as an E-Sport. Hell, SC2 right now is making WC3 look balanced. And i agree with robertdinh's point regarding gratitide and loyalty. I dont know about the west, but in my culture, what Nada did could (not saying that i personally am against him moving to SC2) be viewed as a bad thing, depending on how involved the concerned party are with Nada. The team that made it possible for him to become what he is, the sport that made him the iconic figure. Now theres money and fame to be had elsewhere, and he just ditched them and left.. It is understandable from Nada's view point, but i also can understand where the other party is coming from. | ||
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lastreason
Romania250 Posts
p.s the maps from sc2 are so crap , and i think until blizzard will let some profesionals make some maps we whont discover sc2 | ||
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kinray
Bulgaria49 Posts
On October 07 2010 18:23 ffreakk wrote: I take it you mean you(and some others) will continue playing the game, so it lives on?. This obviously has nothing to do with E-Sports. I would like to just mention again that outside of Korea, the way things are now theres no game that's being successful as an E-Sport. Hell, SC2 right now is making WC3 look balanced. And i agree with robertdinh's point regarding gratitide and loyalty. I dont know about the west, but in my culture, what Nada did could (not saying that i personally am against him moving to SC2) be viewed as a bad thing, depending on how involved the concerned party are with Nada. The team that made it possible for him to become what he is, the sport that made him the iconic figure. Now theres money and fame to be had elsewhere, and he just ditched them and left.. It is understandable from Nada's view point, but i also can understand where the other party is coming from. So what you say is that i NEED to continue doing something i don't like just to be loyal to someone that made a ton of money form me doing it?! I disagree on so many levels that i just don't want to start explaining them. And all that fuzz about IP rights is just to make a precedent (i am not sure if this is the right term) so computer games can actually become something more than e-sport and this is a real sport. For this to happen you need to have worldwide authority and not just Korean. Yes SC:BW was big only in Korea but is that all you want? Don't everyone here want to be able to watch SC2 (or any other game you like) on your local TV? If we have worldwide authority at least we can hope for that. | ||
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Elroi
Sweden5595 Posts
Also, I feel that it is ridicules that the maker of the game can control all of the pro scene. This makes any stable professional gaming impossible because the maker of the game can just shut everything down when they feel like promoting a new game. Imagin if Blizzard had done this when WC II was released: there had been no e-sports now. We'll be stuck with "commercial" games that are uncomplicated, easy to play and easy to sell. This has probably been said a million times already though. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7903 Posts
On October 07 2010 15:18 Selith wrote: Bad news for Korea: http://www.clubcity.kr/news/articleView.html?idxno=64339 In addition to Michael Morhaime, in attendance were: Members of USA FTA agency, as well as US embassy. If it did go down as bad as the eyewitness says it were, it might cause very negative impact in upcoming USA FTA policy as well as relations with USA. Since Korean government is very pro-USA and would do anything to be on good side with them, they might find themselves to be between a rock and a hard place, as they must find a way to appease both Korean chae-bols and interests of USA. Esport is not important enough to have any incidence whatsoever on the US - SK relationship. It's a very little business in terms of country to country relationship. The tone of this blog entry also makes me very very suspicious, doesn't sound very professional, and I don't think that's the way a minister would discuss with a company CEO. Maybe I'm mistaking. | ||
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SmoKim
Denmark10305 Posts
On October 07 2010 17:50 Waxangel wrote: The post is legit, but you can question the original blogger all you want. seems most people in this thread did not do that | ||
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Eury
Sweden1126 Posts
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Biff The Understudy
France7903 Posts
On October 07 2010 18:43 Eury wrote: It's their game that they can do whatever they want with. If you don't like it I suggest you make your own game and you can do whatever you like with that, even giving it away to the community. Life is a bit more complicated than that, fortunately :-) | ||
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