EPTBlizzard and Korean Government's negotiations sour - Page 24
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Godstorm
Romania845 Posts
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maybenexttime
Poland5558 Posts
On October 13 2010 14:29 Falling wrote: You'll note I said quite possible that Bliz would be interested in the work conditions. Beyond that, I wouldn't forsee Bliz intruding in the SCBW scene despite the terms of conditions. That is, I see Bliz as essentially non-interventionist, but is concerned with possible image issues and making sure their IP is protected/ have monetary compensation for broadcasting. So then, working conditions being the only reason for Bliz to step in, and if you and ffreakk think they won't, then I would see Bliz not intruding any further. I was very careful stating that conditions had nothing to do with money and everything to do with education, social life, and unhealthy amount of hours of practice. @ffreakk. Not a troll, not ever. But given the current state of emotions, I don't see this thread going anywhere and I would hate to unnecessarily cause you stress, I'll peace out myself. Cheers. First of all, how can you possibly call what blizzard's doing "non-interventionist". They set up their proxy in Korea (gretech), gave them full rights to broadcasting their games practically for free while making unacceptable demands to KeSPA. They wanted the ownership of every broadcast related to BW. They wanted the control over all league operations and over all the progamers. How on earth is that "non-interventionist"? T______T How is usurping full control of the whole BW esports scene merely caring for their image? Blizzard has already been compentated enough with hours long "commercials" of their game (and in consequence the sequel) on TV, in prime time slots. StarCraft would've been another forgotten "classic" (old C&C's, AoE series, etc.), played only by a small base of dedicated fans if it wasn't for KeSPA. They (those companies, as well as companies that used to be part of KeSPA, such as e.g. Hanbit Soft) made BW what it is today. Second of all, explain to me how is blizzard supposed to limit the practice hours of progamers? Make some ingame restrictions? Because right now the vast majority (I wager it's all of them, since those who don't simply retire) of progamers practice more than their required time (8-9 hours for most teams) because they want to (if they do practice more than that, many do not). KeSPA is doing its best to help create perspectives for retiring progamers. KeSPA also allowed the best progamers gain their celebrity status. Blizzard won't do shit to make the life of progamers better. What progaming needs is more money, more companies investing. Right now blizzard is giving the majority of Korean corporations involved with esports a GIANT FUCK YOU. Blizzard's biggest "accomplishment" is bringing the SC2 scene to the level it was at a decade ago - no proteams, no salaries, progamers struggling to get by - treasure hunting, not esports... Not to mention they have NO IDEA how to handle esports. Look at their maps! They're horrendous!! The key factor in keeping BW alive for so many years was the constant influx of new quality maps. Blizzard doesn't even get that... | ||
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sikyon
Canada1045 Posts
On October 13 2010 17:37 Godstorm wrote: Wow, this is so stupid :o. Seriously blizzard take the 300k-500k won and gtfo, trying to fight a company that has influence in the government is just silly. You don't think that Blizzard, Activision-Blizzard or Vivendi have massive pull too? | ||
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ffreakk
Singapore2155 Posts
Massive pull? 's far as i can tell, they lose whether ur counting money or influence (in Korea of course) | ||
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zenMaster
Canada761 Posts
On October 14 2010 04:57 sikyon wrote: You don't think that Blizzard, Activision-Blizzard or Vivendi have massive pull too? US government? Please stop with the jokes, they ain't funny. | ||
2Pacalypse-
Croatia9504 Posts
On October 14 2010 06:01 zenMaster wrote: US government? Please stop with the jokes, they ain't funny. I can see the headlines now: "WW3 started over Starcraft!" | ||
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Garaman
United States556 Posts
On October 14 2010 04:57 sikyon wrote: You don't think that Blizzard, Activision-Blizzard or Vivendi have massive pull too? since they aren't halliburton, enron, or some other oil company with much larger impact on the US economy, no i don't think blizzard/acitivsion has any pull compared to Kespa and their immediate ties with the government | ||
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Garaman
United States556 Posts
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thehitman
1105 Posts
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Lokian
United States699 Posts
On October 13 2010 08:12 maybenexttime wrote: Who care if you were following anything if you can't read with comprehension. KeSPA did not sell broadcasting rights to "other proleagues" (what is this i don't even...). They sold the broadcasting rights to ProLeague - their product - to the actual broadcasters/companies interested in obtaining them (in that case it was IEG). I also wonder how blizzard is supposedly going to address the working conditions of progamers. So far the only thing they managed to do is devolve the scene to the level it was at nearly ten years ago - just WOW, such talent! For your information, teams like CJ spend 40 million dollars a year to sustain themselves, and according to you the working conditions they provide are somehow bad (far from the truth). Do you think blizzard is going to spend more? on just one team? will they maybe support several teams (like KeSPA does)? Huh? Are they going to restrict progamers from playing more than required time? Because for most teams the required practice time is 8-9 hours... I was about to say... in won, but dollars, WHAT? CJ spends 100,000 dollars a day. Living conditions must be harsh. Not bad, not bad at all. I wouldn't mind spend 100,000 dollars a day. A team, of people, 100,000 dollars. 40 million dollars a year. | ||
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