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On October 07 2010 15:54 blade55555 wrote:If GSL was moved I don't see how it would die as long as it was moved somewhere popular. It definitely wouldn't get as many players though like in Korea. Sigh why can't they just let bw stay how it is and sc2 be as it is. Both need to stop acting so dumb 
Not only is Korea by far the place where you'd get the most support, but you lose a lot of credibility when YOUR country tells you to leave. That generally indicates that you did something wrong, especially for a country like SK, a democratic country(unlike China and such).
On October 07 2010 15:58 urashimakt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2010 15:55 Lightwip wrote:On October 07 2010 15:50 urashimakt wrote:On October 07 2010 15:35 Navi wrote:On October 07 2010 15:18 Selith wrote:Bad news for Korea: http://www.clubcity.kr/news/articleView.html?idxno=64339In addition to Michael Morhaime, in attendance were: Members of USA FTA agency, as well as US embassy. If it did go down as bad as the eyewitness says it were, it might cause very negative impact in upcoming USA FTA policy as well as relations with USA. Since Korean government is very pro-USA and would do anything to be on good side with them, they might find themselves to be between a rock and a hard place, as they must find a way to appease both Korean chae-bols and interests of USA. do you think a gaming company's pleas is as large to directly influence the political relations between two large world powers? besides, south korea is not the US's blind bitch, and if a minister took mouth like that from a gaming company head (if the translation is accurate, which it probably is not 100%) then the public at the very least would be very anti-blizzard right now. You don't talk shit to elderly people in positions of power like that without either being in a higher up / more old yourself or you are getting some serious hate there Given the U.S. and U.N.'s hand in the shaping of law in the Republic of Korea over the past couple decades, I'd believe if the United States said jump that South Korea would say how high. I also don't believe it would ever come to that. I'm frankly a little skeptical to sink my teeth into this source. It's not exactly quoted from the New York Times (or Korean equivalent). Korea would probably be pretty willing to do anything the US tells them. That being said, this is such a minor issue in the grand scheme of things, especially for the US. Blizzard has no notable political influence, especially not enough to bribe favor in a huge country. SK chaebols, on the other hand, do have such power. Regardless, it's not really going to escalate much more. Most likely, either Korea will tell Blizzard to GTFO or they will come to some sort of resolution. I don't see the US wanting to back someone who clearly starts trouble in negotiations anyways. There certainly has been an image painted here before us of a company harassing a nation, but I'd like to see proof. Like, real savory, beefy proof that tastes like justice.
This story shows some pretty good proof. Not conclusive, but that's a pretty good indication that Blizz is trying to do it.
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I don't see why Blizzard is being so stubborn..........they should just take the money and get on with it...
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I wonder if the main topic of discussion is BW or SC2? I think this is important.
I cant believe, that blizzard cant understand that without SC2 pro-scene in Korea, this game will never make it as a serious e-sport.
And what will happen to all these progamers, who quit bw to go and play SC2 if the negotiations fail?
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On October 07 2010 15:18 Selith wrote:Bad news for Korea: http://www.clubcity.kr/news/articleView.html?idxno=64339In addition to Michael Morhaime, in attendance were: Members of USA FTA agency, as well as US embassy. If it did go down as bad as the eyewitness says it were, it might cause very negative impact in upcoming USA FTA policy as well as relations with USA. Since Korean government is very pro-USA and would do anything to be on good side with them, they might find themselves to be between a rock and a hard place, as they must find a way to appease both Korean chae-bols and interests of USA.
Wrong event? Mike Morhaime wasn't even there. Blizzard's lawyers were though
that event is for the convention that went on today :O
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Just beating the dead dog, but..
Assuming this account was true, i believe Blizz representative (or Mike M. in this case) was behaving unacceptably.. Now i would understand if they do not agree with our (Asian) culture of respecting elders.. But if they are in Korea discussing their business that take place on Korean soil, they damn well should respect n follow that culture no matter how much they disagree with it, especially when said elderly person holds significant political power.
Waiting on more news regarding the matter, and clarification/proofs of these events as well.
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Don't need to be a political genius to know Mike screwed up big time there. I hope this is just rumour/hearsay or this is going down pretty badly.
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GSL moving abroad could potentially be awesome. Imagine if it was like the Pro Tour in Magic The Gathering, visiting large cities worldwide, with top/qualified players having their travel costs paid by Blizzard.
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On October 07 2010 16:09 Scorch wrote:
GSL moving abroad could potentially be awesome. Imagine if it was like the Pro Tour in Magic The Gathering, visiting large cities worldwide, with top/qualified players having their travel costs paid by Blizzard.
Although I absolutely love(d) Magic the Gathering, I've not even heard of such a Pro Tour. That in itself would be a troubling sign for a traveling GSL, haha.
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On October 07 2010 16:09 Scorch wrote:
GSL moving abroad could potentially be awesome. Imagine if it was like the Pro Tour in Magic The Gathering, visiting large cities worldwide, with top/qualified players having their travel costs paid by Blizzard.
plz dont kid urself... GSL moving outside of Korea means SCII is done.
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On October 07 2010 15:54 Navi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2010 15:42 Demand2k wrote:On October 07 2010 15:37 LuciferSC wrote:On October 07 2010 15:35 Demand2k wrote:
"The Vice Minister of course responded angrily, saying "Who do you think you are to say these things to the Minister? You're just a president of an ordinary corporation!!!"
Korea's core problem. Korea's core problem? How about learning to respect other cultures and not letting your lips loose without knowing what you're talking about. I have no respect for the fact that just *being older than someone* matters a fig in every single aspect of a society. It's freeloading, and perhaps someone competent could have filled named minister's shoes instead of some stuck-up fool who pulls a childish suppression technique. this isn't even a matter of blizzard vs. activision anymore its degenerating into a hate or lubb korea's culture lol while i agree that there are cons to the system of elder respect in korean culture (placing fairly substantial divisions between grades in schools and society) it does teach all children, youth and adults a degree of respect for their elders. its convenient for the more aged folk who cannot do work for themselves as well as they used to be able to as they can ask for assistance from younger folk all around and can expect some assistance very quickly. and hell, everybody goes through it; don't think that that minister didn't have to do the same for all his elders while his elders "freeloaded" off of him as well. i really wouldn't use that word btw lots of people take it really seriously T_T and EVERYBODY who wants to have any success talking to foreign cultures need to learn at least a very basic degree of the other culture, or at least use common sense and try to be more careful with their words until they find a zone of comfort between them. as a part time translator and dude who's learned a lot of languages, pulling a mm is not smart at all. don't try this at school kids. lern 2 cultural tolerance plz
Note that I'm not defending Mike Morhaime's approach, but it shouldn't warrant such a cheap suppression technique in response. No one should flaunt their "moral highground" in such a manner, it makes cooperation extremely difficult. Same thing goes for the "do you know anything about [insert whatever you want]?" when they have nothing better to say.
This isn't about disrespecting a society as a whole, but pointing out what I perceive as a specific shortcoming that simply is a lack of development, and that I'm certain will be overcome in time as it has in most other top notch countries that scores high in researches about quality of life. My criticism was limitied to that, and still is.
I'll let this be my last words on the matter, as my intention was merely to point out what I perceive as a pretty big hinder to the whole e-sports negotiation, not to cause the thread to go into derail-mode.
I also agree that the use of the word "freeloading" was misplaced, and for that I am sorry.
edit: typos
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This sounds more like propaganda than fact at the moment. It seems like they are trying to get the korean public mad at Blizzard. Since there is no direct proof its just a supposed first party account.
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Doesnt make any sense. Has to be taken out of context, exaggerated or flat out wrong. Mike Morhaime behaving like that? I doubt that he is that stupid. Even an infant knows how Asians feel about respect and authority...
Also, what does the whole IP thing with BW have to do with GSL? Why would GSL have to leave? Anyone care to explain?
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On October 07 2010 16:19 lostshard wrote:
This sounds more like propaganda than fact at the moment. It seems like they are trying to get the korean public mad at Blizzard. Since there is no direct proof its just a supposed first party account.
With (mostly young) Korean people's general distrust of the government (then again, what nation's populace always trust their government?), they won't become mad at Blizzard just because of this particular news. Generally, netizens don't look favorably upon KeSPA now. Used to have lot more pro-KeSPA netizens few months ago.
Also, what does the whole IP thing with BW have to do with GSL? Why would GSL have to leave? Anyone care to explain?
If this whole debacle falls in favor of KeSPA, all IP of secondary products such as e-sports shows, will not belong to the original creator (in this case, Blizzard). As a result, KeSPA can have free reign over SC 2 tournaments of their own, as well as broadcasts as they see fit without worrying about Blizzard or Gretech.
If that happens, we all know Gretech is going to really die this time.
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Huh?
Maybe the translation is exaggerated (???) or something but do people really think the president of a company would say anything like "Korea isn't following international rules, huh!" and "What are you gonna do about people not respecting intellectual property rights!!!" to, well just anyone in general? That's just, so disrespectful and unprofessional that it's completely unbelievable.
To top that off, the Vice Minister of Korean Department of Culture badmouthing back? That kind of shit gets people fired, justified or not. It's not the way officials should act.
The first thing that comes to mind after reading the original post is to question the validity of the source, because the situation sounds completely ridiculous. I'm interested in more sources and clarification.
I am seriously confused.
On October 07 2010 16:19 lostshard wrote:
This sounds more like propaganda than fact at the moment. It seems like they are trying to get the korean public mad at Blizzard. Since there is no direct proof its just a supposed first party account.
I agree, the way SuperDanielMan said the Media was treating NaDa, it all seems like a bunch of propaganda to get the Korean public against Blizzard. Apparently there's articles claiming hes greedy and painting him in a bad light as some sort of traitor with no pride.
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The ridiculously silly lines alone are enough for me to come to the conclusion that that is probably not what they actually said.
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On October 07 2010 15:42 Navi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2010 15:35 Demand2k wrote:
"The Vice Minister of course responded angrily, saying "Who do you think you are to say these things to the Minister? You're just a president of an ordinary corporation!!!"
Korea's core problem. it's like the equivalent of the landlord being rude to vito corleone in the godfather II... you don't talk in that tone to that kind of person unless you want a beat down bad More of a cultural difference than anything but i think what mike morhaime said was pretty damn rude/crude whatever language or culture you put it in... you don't start off a conversation by proclaiming your heavily and currently contested opinion as fact, in a rude tone and manner, to a foreign politician
Are you kidding? The vice minister's behavior (if this account is accurate) is pretty much a perfect description of the stereotypical corrupt, pompous authority figure in Korea 
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I tried to imagine the scene depicted in the article and I laughed out loud. I don't know how corporation-government talk usually happen but the whole story is a little far fetched for my common sense.
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On October 07 2010 16:11 urashimakt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2010 16:09 Scorch wrote:
GSL moving abroad could potentially be awesome. Imagine if it was like the Pro Tour in Magic The Gathering, visiting large cities worldwide, with top/qualified players having their travel costs paid by Blizzard. Although I absolutely love(d) Magic the Gathering, I've not even heard of such a Pro Tour. That in itself would be a troubling sign for a traveling GSL, haha.
Boy where have I heard this happen before then failing?
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On October 07 2010 16:26 xBillehx wrote:I agree, the way SuperDanielMan said the Media was treating NaDa, it all seems like a bunch of propaganda to get the Korean public against Blizzard. Apparently there's articles claiming hes greedy and painting him in a bad light as some sort of traitor with no pride.
Wow did this really happen?
That's a damn serious accusation to make, but I could see why they would be pissed about that.
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On October 07 2010 16:33 Lightwip wrote:
Wow did this really happen?
That's a damn serious accusation to make, but I could see why they would be pissed about that.
Yes, edaily article specifically said NaDa was a "former glorious progamer leaving" as a "bounty hunter", because he is "very greedy".
However, edaily is well known anti-SC2/Gretech/Blizzard group, especially a certain reporter... so. Especially so considering all other news outlets just went "NaDa switching to SC2!"
Yes, netizens had a field-time with that article.
"Okay, so NaDa is very greedy. So why is he switching to SC2 where he could possibly not win any prize money, when he could just stay being an SC1 progamer and continue earning guaranteed $ that is higher than GSL first place payout?"
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