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On October 07 2010 15:15 T0fuuu wrote:
Its not blizzard fighting against the government though.... its a fight against the corporate interests that back the Korean government. Kespa also happens to be a representative of said interests in the circle jerk that is politics.
Im more surprised at Mike flipping out and pulling the racism card. That is kind of taboo but it was pretty obvious that Blizzard wouldnt get the same backing from the government as a local company would.
No government would be happy to see a foreign company trying to push around one of their own.
Not to mention the leverage a domestic company would have on their own goverment.
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My completely unprofessional read from this is that if the government truly was backing KeSPA 100%, things wouldn't have gone this long without a definite response. KeSPA likely would have just said 'alright, we're starting everything back up as usual, and if you don't like it you can try to prove your supposed IP rights in court'. But then again, if this account is true, pissing off government officials is a great way to get them to back your enemies over you.
I really hope KeSPA proves victorious if this goes to court. Not because of who they are, but because it's a ridiculous thought that eSports should be under complete control of the game designers. Hell, that's too nice a way to put it. The actual designers have almost no part in this - it's simply the corporate entity arguing for draconian IP rights so that it can milk as much cash out of each product as possible. I liked things much better when the idea of eSports providing tons of high-quality free advertising was enough to keep companies happy.
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Remember it's Activision-Blizzard vs Korea, not just Blizzard, so this will be interesting ;d
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Fuck yeah
For the sake of BW and the principle of not having a single entity establish a monopoly over esports, KeSPA and Korea need to win.
By any means necessary. I want bribes, I want collusion between giant conglomerates and government agencies, I want stone-faced -- CJ-faced, Jaedong-staring -- Korean officials to investigate, to stall, to delay; I want judges to bring down the hammer and tear apart this extremely restrictive conception of IP rights. SC2 will exist freely, or will not exist at all.
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Blizzard is screwed they already have a problem with China and North Korea. Doing something to piss off the Korean government by looking like cocky "average" Americans isn't something thats going to go well with South Korean government. The fact that some embassy members were there for the USA just makes this an even bigger problem for the US. You think Obama is going to possibly lose overseas support against a country run by one of the biggest tyrants of our time?
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On October 07 2010 15:23 GTR wrote:
Remember it's Activision-Blizzard vs Korea, not just Blizzard, so this will be interesting ;d
If you mean that in how they're going to act, then I suppose it will.
If you mean that in how much power they have, it'll change nothing.
Also, I'd see the Vice Minister being especially pissed if someone younger than him bad-mouthed him. Asians generally don't like that.
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I think both parties are in the wrong here imo. I agree that Blizzard is shafted because they are a foreign corporation and Korea is very protective about their industries (political?). But Blizzard is not approaching this with enough tact and cultural sensitivity ( or maybe they had been just that it has not been working and they finally snapped and had enough)
can anyone enlighten me about sc2 in china? is it banned ? i know there is a taiwan server but if it is not in mainland china then i doubt sc2 will boom.
but it does seem like there will be a race to expand to china. looks like china will the first real battleground for bw vs sc2.
whats the likely outcome if blizzard brings this to international court? is there any precedent.
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On October 07 2010 15:23 Sworn wrote:
Blizzard is screwed they already have a problem with China and North Korea. Doing something to piss off the Korean government by looking like cocky "average" Americans isn't something thats going to go well with South Korean government. The fact that some embassy members were there for the USA just makes this an even bigger problem for the US. You think Obama is going to possibly lose overseas support against a country run by one of the biggest tyrants of our time?
I can't understand how one could possibly connect the dispute beween S. Korea and Blizzard with China or N. Korea.
If you were actually referring to S. Korea government in your last sentence, you have no idea what you're talking about.
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No PL until this matter solved?
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Whether this case gets held on international court or not, it will be hugely influential for any future casings of IP.
I definitely root against Blizzard on this one, they can't just claim everything and anything that's made with SC2 to be their property.
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I can't read Korean, but it doesn't look like anything too conclusive came of that article.
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On October 07 2010 15:33 LuciferSC wrote:
Whether this case gets held on international court or not, it will be hugely influential for any future casings of IP.
I definitely root against Blizzard on this one, they can't just claim everything and anything that's made with SC2 to be their property.
but they did claim that!
in fact, their lawyers pretty much stated progames were their property in another convention that was held recently to discuss ip rights
On October 07 2010 15:34 Lightwip wrote:I can't read Korean, but it doesn't look like anything too conclusive came of that article.
the article was just some discussion related to IP rights held by some professor and i think a congressman. nothing amazing occurred, other than jaedong being there.
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I've always thought of Blizzard (the corporate entity) as a douchebag, but I guess it's more of Dustin Browder and their CEO, making SC2 pretty shitty compared to BW (for now), and trying to destroy BW.
User was temp banned for this post.
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On October 07 2010 15:18 Selith wrote:Bad news for Korea: http://www.clubcity.kr/news/articleView.html?idxno=64339In addition to Michael Morhaime, in attendance were: Members of USA FTA agency, as well as US embassy. If it did go down as bad as the eyewitness says it were, it might cause very negative impact in upcoming USA FTA policy as well as relations with USA. Since Korean government is very pro-USA and would do anything to be on good side with them, they might find themselves to be between a rock and a hard place, as they must find a way to appease both Korean chae-bols and interests of USA.
do you think a gaming company's pleas is as large to directly influence the political relations between two large world powers? besides, south korea is not the US's blind bitch, and if a minister took mouth like that from a gaming company head (if the translation is accurate, which it probably is not 100%) then the public at the very least would be very anti-blizzard right now. You don't talk shit to elderly people in positions of power like that without either being in a higher up / more old yourself or you are getting some serious hate there
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"The Vice Minister of course responded angrily, saying "Who do you think you are to say these things to the Minister? You're just a president of an ordinary corporation!!!"
Korea's core problem.
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AS a Korean citizen,
I truly hope to enchant psionic storms on the heads of those stupid bureaucrats (and KeSPA).
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On October 07 2010 15:35 NeCroPoTeNce wrote:
I've always thought of Blizzard (the corporate entity) as a douchebag, but I guess it's more of Dustin Browder and their CEO, making SC2 pretty shitty compared to BW (for now), and trying to destroy BW.
Why do people bring Dustin Browder into this... Poor guy is already being ragged on for the game design and balance issues, no need to drag him into a dispute in which he probably has little to no involvement.
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On October 07 2010 15:35 Demand2k wrote:
"The Vice Minister of course responded angrily, saying "Who do you think you are to say these things to the Minister? You're just a president of an ordinary corporation!!!"
Korea's core problem.
Korea's core problem? How about learning to respect other cultures and not letting your lips loose without knowing what you're talking about.
Blizzard rep is talking to Korean government representatives in Korea, in their house, not his.
Doesn't matter what country or culture it is, you respect their authoritative figures just as you'd expect them to do the same to yours.
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On October 07 2010 15:35 Demand2k wrote:
"The Vice Minister of course responded angrily, saying "Who do you think you are to say these things to the Minister? You're just a president of an ordinary corporation!!!"
Korea's core problem.
Do you expect a senior Asian to take that from someone of an inferior position to him? Because that is a hell of an insult in their culture. It's quite important to respect your elders in Asian countries(hence progamers call older players hyung).
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