EPTWasn't Nada's response: Starcraft I is boring. Starcraft II is exciting.
And dam, this is the POWER of the media. Look at all these post reacting like waving candy in front of a baby.
Blizzard and Korean Government's negotiations sour - Page 5
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Lokian
United States699 Posts
Wasn't Nada's response: Starcraft I is boring. Starcraft II is exciting. And dam, this is the POWER of the media. Look at all these post reacting like waving candy in front of a baby. | ||
Selith
United States238 Posts
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Mickey
United States2606 Posts
On October 07 2010 16:15 rasers wrote: plz dont kid urself... GSL moving outside of Korea means SCII is done. Yes, because you decide what and what does not flourish correct? SC2 is not going to die if a Korean scene isn't stabilized. That's the most idiotic statement I've read so far in this thread. As an avid SC2 player like most on this forum, the foreign scene alone is enough to hold my interests. As long as Activision-Blizzard keep supporting the game and diverting resources to keeping the ladder competitive/supporting 3rd party tournaments. I'll keep playing SC2 regardless if there's a scene in Korea. | ||
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Kimaker
United States2131 Posts
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mkfk1
United Kingdom153 Posts
Both guys are arrogant in their statement. I side with noone. | ||
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QibingZero
2611 Posts
On October 07 2010 16:16 Demand2k wrote: Note that I'm not defending Mike Morhaime's approach, but it shouldn't warrant such a cheap suppression technique in response. No one should flaunt their "moral highground" in such a manner, it makes cooperation extremely difficult. Same thing goes for the "do you know anything about [insert whatever you want]?" when they have nothing better to say. This isn't about disrespecting a society as a whole, but pointing out what I perceive as a specific shortcoming that simply is a lack of development, and that I'm certain will be overcome in time as it has in most other top notch countries that scores high in researches about quality of life. My criticism was limitied to that, and still is. I'll let this be my last words on the matter, as my intention was merely to point out what I perceive as a pretty big hinder to the whole e-sports negotiation, not to cause the thread to go into derail-mode. I also agree that the use of the word "freeloading" was misplaced, and for that I am sorry. edit: typos The problem is, even if you're right about this (and I believe you are), you'd have to be incredibly stupid to do what Morhaime supposedly did. Even if you completely disagreed with their cultural beliefs, you would still have to show some respect if you want to do decent business there. Obviously there's a limit to this, but unless you're so morally repulsed that you're not even willing to do business with them in the first place, there's no reason not to suck it up. In this case it would be extremely laughable, because he apparently wasn't even showing common human decency, let alone any kind of respect for elders or authority. But yeah, why bother making a philosophical point over a story that is likely exaggerated at best? | ||
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
Also, as a Korean, I know for a fact that Koreans are racist. Yes, I'm talking about the Korean government here. P.S. I can't see how Mike Morhaime is even being rude in what he said, sounds like a legitimate question to me. Besides, this is all just hearsay. | ||
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Lokian
United States699 Posts
hope he didn't hire a secret agent... maybe it went like this: MM: "I'd like to discuss about IP rights" Korean Translator: "Fuck Korea" | ||
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Vedic
United States582 Posts
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Xenocide_Knight
Korea (South)2625 Posts
On October 07 2010 16:51 youngminii wrote: I don't understand, Blizzard made the game, they deserve anything and everything to do with the game. Idk about that bro. It would suck major balls if the inventor got to own everything the invention was used for. I invented the laptop! You have to pay me for using it to play the game! Well I invented email, so you have to pay me for using email to complain! I invented keyboards...... etc. | ||
Waxangel
United States33710 Posts
It's obvious to Koreans or anyone else that the vice-minister was being a jerk. | ||
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SmoKim
Denmark10305 Posts
On October 07 2010 17:01 Vedic wrote: This is a generally terrible thread, based entirely on rumors. The misinformation and assumption in this thread is impressive. agree, people shouldn't jump to conclusion based on "some guy who was there" | ||
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Solai
204 Posts
On October 07 2010 17:01 Vedic wrote: This is a generally terrible thread, based entirely on rumors. The misinformation and assumption in this thread is impressive. Yeps, I fully agree with that. . But in any case, I guess we all will know more on the 16th, when the Proleague is supposed to start. Taking third party hear saying and rumours as a basis for a serious discussion just doesn't work out. | ||
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
On October 07 2010 17:01 Xenocide_Knight wrote: Idk about that bro. It would suck major balls if the inventor got to own everything the invention was used for. I invented the laptop! You have to pay me for using it to play the game! Well I invented email, so you have to pay me for using email to complain! I invented keyboards...... etc. Typical straw man argument. A more appropriate analogy would be.. I invent Coke. You take my recipe, make your own Coke and start selling it yourself. Is the recipe my intellectual property? Yes. Are you doing something illegal? Yes. | ||
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Loanshark
China3094 Posts
On October 07 2010 16:43 Mickey wrote: Yes, because you decide what and what does not flourish correct? SC2 is not going to die if a Korean scene isn't stabilized. That's the most idiotic statement I've read so far in this thread. As an avid SC2 player like most on this forum, the foreign scene alone is enough to hold my interests. As long as Activision-Blizzard keep supporting the game and diverting resources to keeping the ladder competitive/supporting 3rd party tournaments. I'll keep playing SC2 regardless if there's a scene in Korea. Some of your post definitely counts as the idiocy in this thread. I don't understand how you can think Activision-Blizzard is supporting 3rd party tournaments or keeping ladder competitive. | ||
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Lokian
United States699 Posts
On October 07 2010 17:01 Xenocide_Knight wrote: Idk about that bro. It would suck major balls if the inventor got to own everything the invention was used for. I invented the laptop! You have to pay me for using it to play the game! Well I invented email, so you have to pay me for using email to complain! I invented keyboards...... etc. IP rights protect design of objects that are not purely utilitarian. A laptop, a keyboard, adobe Photoshop are purely utilitarian. However, once you start making video tutorials of Photoshop, adobe can call you up. | ||
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Hinanawi
United States2250 Posts
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eggs
1011 Posts
On October 07 2010 17:10 youngminii wrote: Typical straw man argument. A more appropriate analogy would be.. I invent Coke. You take my recipe, make your own Coke and start selling it yourself. Is the recipe my intellectual property? Yes. Are you doing something illegal? Yes. comparing software to a consumable drink? and Coke is a terrible example to begin with because they never patented the recipe (patenting only protects your product for 17 years, and the recipe immediately must be publicly disclosed with exact replicas being allowed after patent expires). | ||
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VManOfMana
United States764 Posts
On October 07 2010 17:10 youngminii wrote: Typical straw man argument. A more appropriate analogy would be.. I invent Coke. You take my recipe, make your own Coke and start selling it yourself. Is the recipe my intellectual property? Yes. Are you doing something illegal? Yes. No. A better analogy is, Day[9] uses Starcraft II to create his program. Blizzard claims ownership of Day[9] Daily. IP wise, the problem here is that Blizzard is claiming ownership of not only their game, but KeSPA/OGN/MBC's derivative work (tournament broadcast, replays, etc.) Under the same logic, Blizzard now wants to own all maps created using the map editor, and all the replays and data created by players. There is a reason why everything has to be done via Battle.net. Personally, that's where I call bullshit. On the game IP, KeSPA/OGN/MBC are willing to pay a fee to use the game, but the negotiations are breaking down when it comes to the terms. KeSPA/OGN/MBC paying money to use Starcraft is reasonable. Gretech asking OGN's air time, changing broadcast schedule, or trying to squeeze MBC out of the deal is not. | ||
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
On October 07 2010 17:10 youngminii wrote: Typical straw man argument. A more appropriate analogy would be.. I invent Coke. You take my recipe, make your own Coke and start selling it yourself. Is the recipe my intellectual property? Yes. Are you doing something illegal? Yes. What the fuck? How can you say someones analogy is bad and make that as a counter example. That is nothing like what KeSPA is doing at all. | ||
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