EPTYou can't just tell a government-backed organisation in another country that you want control over their entire operations and not expect the local government to tell you to back off.
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Ryo
8787 Posts
You can't just tell a government-backed organisation in another country that you want control over their entire operations and not expect the local government to tell you to back off. | ||
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Eury
Sweden1126 Posts
On October 07 2010 18:42 SmoKim wrote: seems most people in this thread did not do that Oh I question it all right. Sounds like a bunch of bullshit. I have followed Blizzard for over 15 years and I know that Mike Morhaime sounds nothing like that. So it's heavily paraphrased if not completely made up. Also "eyewitness" means "I can't backup any of my outrageous claims at all". It would be interesting to know why people trust this article so much, it can't be how it's written at least. | ||
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hydraden
United States719 Posts
On October 07 2010 17:10 youngminii wrote: Typical straw man argument. A more appropriate analogy would be.. I invent Coke. You take my recipe, make your own Coke and start selling it yourself. Is the recipe my intellectual property? Yes. Are you doing something illegal? Yes. Then what's the recipe for Broodwar, the codes or game design? Did KeSPA decode or change any of these? No! Did KeSPA sell their own Broodwar? No! What KeSPA did is organizing an Coke drinking contest, which has nothing to do with CocaCola company. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7943 Posts
On October 07 2010 18:50 Ryo wrote: Clearly Blizzard has no idea how important esports is to the Korean government. Many big foreign corporations make the same mistake in other industries. You can't just tell a government-backed organisation in another country that you want control over their entire operations and not expect the local government to tell you to back off. What makes you think that Korean gov cares at all about Starcraft. If you ask me, I don't think they do, and I would be extremely cautious with this article. I may be wrong, but I don't see a minister talking that way to anybody, and I don't really find logical that Korean gov start to fight a foreign corporation because of some BW vs SC2 issue. Kespa is sooooo small. They are not general motors, people should realize that. | ||
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Eury
Sweden1126 Posts
On October 07 2010 18:46 Biff The Understudy wrote: Life is a bit more complicated than that, fortunately :-) Not really. Not if you follow proper copyright laws. This KeSPA vs Blizzard would never be an issue in North America or Europe and I don't see Blizzard losing even if it went to a Korean court. | ||
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ffreakk
Singapore2155 Posts
On October 07 2010 18:43 Eury wrote: It's their game that they can do whatever they want with. If you don't like it I suggest you make your own game and you can do whatever you like with that, even giving it away to the community. It depends on what rights they have reserved for themselves even AFTER receiving money for selling the game. For many other merchandise, after you have paid for the goods, you gain full possession over it. In the case of SC2, yes they have reserved many such rights for themselves. But i also reserve the right to express my thoughts (criticism) on the matter. Also you may want to bring something into discussions rather that Ctrl C Ctrl V an existing point from an earlier post. | ||
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hydraden
United States719 Posts
On October 07 2010 18:37 kinray wrote: So what you say is that i NEED to continue doing something i don't like just to be loyal to someone that made a ton of money form me doing it?! I disagree on so many levels that i just don't want to start explaining them. And all that fuzz about IP rights is just to make a precedent (i am not sure if this is the right term) so computer games can actually become something more than e-sport and this is a real sport. For this to happen you need to have worldwide authority and not just Korean. Yes SC:BW was big only in Korea but is that all you want? Don't everyone here want to be able to watch SC2 (or any other game you like) on your local TV? If we have worldwide authority at least we can hope for that. Worldwide authority?You are kidding, right? This won't happen within at least 100 years. | ||
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Seam
United States1093 Posts
Those quotes don't sound like anything MM has, or ever would say... I seriously doubt he would just march in there and start being disrespectful to the minister of Korea... | ||
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Eury
Sweden1126 Posts
On October 07 2010 18:54 ffreakk wrote: It depends on what rights they have reserved for themselves even AFTER receiving money for selling the game. For many other merchandise, after you have paid for the goods, you gain full possession over it. In the case of SC2, yes they have reserved many such rights for themselves. But i also reserve the right to express my thoughts (criticism) on the matter. Also you may want to bring something into discussions rather that Ctrl C Ctrl V an existing point from an earlier post. All Blizzard's art assets, sounds, etc are copyrighted, that means you can't broadcast it without permission. If you don't think this discussion contributes anything to you I suggest you don't participate, you don't get to dictate it with snarky comments. | ||
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Ryo
8787 Posts
On October 07 2010 18:53 Biff The Understudy wrote: What makes you think that Korean gov cares at all about Starcraft. If you ask me, I don't think they do, and I would be extremely cautious with this article. I may be wrong, but I don't see a minister talking that way to anybody, and I don't really find logical that Korean gov start to fight a foreign corporation because of some BW vs SC2 issue. Kespa is sooooo small. They are not general motors, people should realize that. Yet another person who doesn't know how Kespa started and exactly what it represents. | ||
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kAra
Germany1391 Posts
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hydraden
United States719 Posts
On October 07 2010 18:53 Biff The Understudy wrote: What makes you think that Korean gov cares at all about Starcraft. If you ask me, I don't think they do, and I would be extremely cautious with this article. I may be wrong, but I don't see a minister talking that way to anybody, and I don't really find logical that Korean gov start to fight a foreign corporation because of some BW vs SC2 issue. Kespa is sooooo small. They are not general motors, people should realize that. GM is to US. If BW pro-scene fails, thousands of people in Korea will lose their job. For a small country, it is a big problem. | ||
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mimikami
France77 Posts
The government pretty much let Blizzard and Gretech do whatever they want with SC2, but Blizzard decided to fuck up BW to have some more SC2 sales, and it doesn't go well with the Korean government, because it affects the whole industry (job loss, infrastructure loss, control loss...) and public opinion. Blizzard has the option of taking the annual money and leave BW alone, they should concede now or both BW and SC2 are gonna die. | ||
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Crt
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Biff The Understudy
France7943 Posts
On October 07 2010 19:08 hydraden wrote: GM is to US. If BW pro-scene fails, thousands of people in Korea will lose their job. For a small country, it is a big problem. Do you think that if BW dies it really is a big deal at the level of the country? It seems a bit unlogical. Player would go to SC2, TV channel would just program SC2 or something else. Commentators would move onto other games and sponsors would... sponsor something else! I don't see how that can be a huge thing for a government honestly. Now, I won't pretend I know anything about the matter, I'm just trying to be logical. Korea is a very advanced and powerful economy, and SC is really a small niche. | ||
ImbaTosS
United Kingdom1704 Posts
On October 07 2010 15:07 seRapH wrote: gogo korea! stuff gsl overseas please! and broodwar will liiiiive! + Show Spoiler + ok fine gsl will die miserably if it goes overseas. but AT LEAST BW WILL LIIIVE This. I agree with many people that Blizzard are going too far. I think they're getting into deeper water than they may want. But at the same time, I reeeally don't think that I trust the way this article is written. There is very little detail, and even less trustworthy detail. | ||
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ohN
United States1075 Posts
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stroggos
New Zealand1543 Posts
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limonovich
England226 Posts
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hydraden
United States719 Posts
On October 07 2010 19:24 Biff The Understudy wrote: Do you think that if BW dies it really is a big deal at the level of the country? It seems a bit unlogical. Player would go to SC2, TV channel would just program SC2 or something else. Commentators would move onto other games and sponsors would... sponsor something else! I don't see how that can be a huge thing for a government honestly. Now, I won't pretend I know anything about the matter, I'm just trying to be logical. Korea is a very advanced and powerful economy, and SC is really a small niche. What Blizzard now trying to do is destroy old BW industry, then build a new SC2 industry. Even if SC2 industry will be as successful as former BW industry, it will still not be a smooth transition, most people in BW pro scene will still lose job. Not every player, commentator, advertiser, and sponsors will switch, especially when Blizzard do not want pro teams. The whole industry will fall, this is not an ideal situation for Government. What government want is a smooth transition from BW to SC2, which could happen if Blizzard let current proteams build their own SC2 division, then start SC2 proleague. Clearly, this is not an option of Blizzard. | ||
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