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SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13092 Posts
October 07 2010 10:51 GMT
#141
On October 07 2010 19:47 limonovich wrote:
I have no idea what's going on, except that blizzard don't want sc2 to be included in kespa (or something along those line). could anyone be kind enough to link me to some threads or news posts to read about this entire conundrum?


Kespa doesnt even want SC2. The problem here is BW. Kespa want to continue with BW while Blizzard/Gretech is forcing BW to die.
Stork and KHAN fan till 2012 ...
beetlelisk
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Poland2276 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-07 10:55:00
October 07 2010 10:52 GMT
#142
On October 07 2010 19:01 Seam wrote:
I don't understand one thing.

Those quotes don't sound like anything MM has, or ever would say...

I seriously doubt he would just march in there and start being disrespectful to the minister of Korea...

Yeah and Proleague hasn't started yet even though Kespa promised starting it by force if needed.
This shows how much Gretech has this situation under control, there is no need for anyone from Blizz to step in.

Even if Kespa plays victim to look better in the eyes of people, it still wants wants to end this now instead of ignoring it.

And who knows if it's not gaining, even wants to gain in this way.
There certainly will be bigger interest in relaunched PL. More viewers means more interest from sponsors. And Kespa has more time now to negotiate with them and get better offers.


I don't think Korean proscene is as fragile as many people seem to think in this thread - as long as there are people following it at all, it will be getting sponsors and keep on living.
wwww
writer22816
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5775 Posts
October 07 2010 11:01 GMT
#143
Does this mean that blizzard/gretech will probably lose if they try to go to a korean court once kespa/ogn/mbc continue to air their BW leagues? Because if so, this is a great victory for e-Sports.
8/4/12 never forget, never forgive.
beetlelisk
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Poland2276 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-07 11:16:28
October 07 2010 11:15 GMT
#144
I doubt they will get there. It has been already said Gretech wants its IP rights being recognized, not money. OGN already made agreements with Gretech, Kespa offers a fee for more than a month now?
What's left is MBC. Is it really worth to drag it to the court because of just MBC?
wwww
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5617 Posts
October 07 2010 11:22 GMT
#145
On October 07 2010 18:43 Eury wrote:
It's their game that they can do whatever they want with. If you don't like it I suggest you make your own game and you can do whatever you like with that, even giving it away to the community.


I distincly remember buying SC:BW.
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
beetlelisk
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Poland2276 Posts
October 07 2010 11:26 GMT
#146
Is this thread going anywhere? Hasn't this been discussed (or "discussed") more than once already?
wwww
limonovich
Profile Joined September 2010
England226 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-07 11:30:57
October 07 2010 11:26 GMT
#147
On October 07 2010 20:22 Elroi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2010 18:43 Eury wrote:
It's their game that they can do whatever they want with. If you don't like it I suggest you make your own game and you can do whatever you like with that, even giving it away to the community.


I distincly remember buying SC:BW.


You bought a licence to play the game. You don't own the rights to the game/brand/code.

EDIT: grammar mistake licence vs license :@
trololo
Ruff
Profile Joined August 2006
Kazakhstan179 Posts
October 07 2010 11:32 GMT
#148
"Who do you think you are to say these things to the Minister? You're just a president of an ordinary corporation!!!"

!!!
"Keep on dreaming, boy, cause someday you will shine" (Ogogo).
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
October 07 2010 11:37 GMT
#149
Do not mess with the korean minister of culture !!!!!!! Looks like kespa will have bw in their hands for a long time .
BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
wiesel
Profile Joined September 2008
Germany727 Posts
October 07 2010 11:41 GMT
#150
So GSL maybe gets banned from korea? That would be the end of sc2 in korea. Anyways i just hope Bw continues, could be sad day for sc2 but oh well.
Goodluck at the court!
funnybananaman
Profile Joined April 2009
United States830 Posts
October 07 2010 11:51 GMT
#151
Yeah blizzard really deserves control of how and when starcraft should be broadcasted after abandoning the game entirely for about 6 years while its competitive scene flourished rofl.. maybe if they had organized tournaments and helped the game progress in any of the ways kespa did i would have a little more respect for their decisions regarding the game now.
Rikstah
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia126 Posts
October 07 2010 12:05 GMT
#152
On October 07 2010 16:16 Demand2k wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2010 15:54 Navi wrote:
On October 07 2010 15:42 Demand2k wrote:
On October 07 2010 15:37 LuciferSC wrote:
On October 07 2010 15:35 Demand2k wrote:
"The Vice Minister of course responded angrily, saying "Who do you think you are to say these things to the Minister? You're just a president of an ordinary corporation!!!"

Korea's core problem.


Korea's core problem? How about learning to respect other cultures and not letting your lips loose without knowing what you're talking about.


I have no respect for the fact that just *being older than someone* matters a fig in every single aspect of a society. It's freeloading, and perhaps someone competent could have filled named minister's shoes instead of some stuck-up fool who pulls a childish suppression technique.



this isn't even a matter of blizzard vs. activision anymore its degenerating into a hate or lubb korea's culture lol

while i agree that there are cons to the system of elder respect in korean culture (placing fairly substantial divisions between grades in schools and society) it does teach all children, youth and adults a degree of respect for their elders. its convenient for the more aged folk who cannot do work for themselves as well as they used to be able to as they can ask for assistance from younger folk all around and can expect some assistance very quickly. and hell, everybody goes through it; don't think that that minister didn't have to do the same for all his elders while his elders "freeloaded" off of him as well.

i really wouldn't use that word btw lots of people take it really seriously T_T

and EVERYBODY who wants to have any success talking to foreign cultures need to learn at least a very basic degree of the other culture, or at least use common sense and try to be more careful with their words until they find a zone of comfort between them. as a part time translator and dude who's learned a lot of languages, pulling a mm is not smart at all. don't try this at school kids.

lern 2 cultural tolerance plz


Note that I'm not defending Mike Morhaime's approach, but it shouldn't warrant such a cheap suppression technique in response. No one should flaunt their "moral highground" in such a manner, it makes cooperation extremely difficult. Same thing goes for the "do you know anything about [insert whatever you want]?" when they have nothing better to say.

This isn't about disrespecting a society as a whole, but pointing out what I perceive as a specific shortcoming that simply is a lack of development, and that I'm certain will be overcome in time as it has in most other top notch countries that scores high in researches about quality of life. My criticism was limitied to that, and still is.

I'll let this be my last words on the matter, as my intention was merely to point out what I perceive as a pretty big hinder to the whole e-sports negotiation, not to cause the thread to go into derail-mode.

I also agree that the use of the word "freeloading" was misplaced, and for that I am sorry.

edit: typos


Its not a moral highground, in any culture you got alot of nerve to be exclaiming to a government minister about your country's IP policy when all you do is make video games.
Thors before Whores man
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
October 07 2010 12:19 GMT
#153
BW is a mixture of many contemporary and older games/art trends of its time, and by now is so morally old that the concepts from it are in every RTS game. Obviously Korea could simply switch to a very similar fan-made game, if they must, to avoid any problems with Blizzard. It's not Blizzard's efforts to make a good game, which helped create the progaming scene. Nope, they did nothing much about that; they should be grateful that their product gets so popular from this activity.
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
Luddite
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2315 Posts
October 07 2010 12:19 GMT
#154
Gotta love that Korean beauracracy...

Why should they care about being nice to random American businessmen. It's not like the entire country's economy depends on trade with the US or anything...
Can't believe I'm still here playing this same game
Boonbag
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
France3318 Posts
October 07 2010 12:25 GMT
#155
I'm 50% convinced this is bullshit.
Rekrul
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
October 07 2010 12:26 GMT
#156
On October 07 2010 21:19 Luddite wrote:
Gotta love that Korean beauracracy...

Why should they care about being nice to random American businessmen. It's not like the entire country's economy depends on trade with the US or anything...


shut up charlie
why so 진지해?
infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-07 12:39:05
October 07 2010 12:38 GMT
#157
Imagine if KeSPA had just been allowed to proceed as normal with SC2, and what the situation would be now. There would likely already be an OSL2 or MSL2, and a proleague planned and all of this broadcast on TV. Teams would have SC2 divisions so players would be able to remain employed. The only negative would possibly be foreign players finding it hard to get into the scene, although an agreement could have been worked out... maybe even a team specifically for them (Gretech sponsored?). Blizzard would no doubt sell more copies in korea because of this and the publicity would be much better and easier than their extreme spending on bombing koreans with advertisements.

See how much better that situation is? But look what we got instead. I dunno who is making these eSports related decisions for Blizzard but they seem to not be thinking long term at all. Or even short term for that matter.
OTIX
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden491 Posts
October 07 2010 12:41 GMT
#158
MM is such a meek little nerd, I really couldn't see him using this kind of tone with anyone, much less a politician. Something like this would have to come from one heck of a reliable source to be believable.
aru
Profile Joined April 2010
183 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-07 12:57:05
October 07 2010 12:56 GMT
#159
On October 07 2010 18:37 Elroi wrote:
This might be unrelated to the OP, but I didn't want to make a new thread about it: shouldn't there be map tests now if proleague is going to start anytime soon?


They released the new maps about a month ago: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=150969
sAAvior
Profile Joined July 2007
Poland248 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-07 13:04:25
October 07 2010 12:59 GMT
#160
Go Korean Gov !
My view of IP rights is the same as their. They are doing it right way: either Blizzard respect their regulations and views and just sell games and let other organize leagues etc. or it goes somewhere else to do their greedy job.

Imagine if KeSPA had just been allowed to proceed as normal with SC2, and what the situation would be now. There would likely already be an OSL2 or MSL2, and a proleague planned and all of this broadcast on TV.


Yes and that would be the case in any normal pro sport environment. Current situation is a joke and it's not possible for true esport to emerge when one company wants all the cards.
It would be better for everybody if IP right situations changes to be better for users and less lucrative for companies but of course companies lobby for nonsense law like we have today. It seems in Korea they have different view on the matter and for that I am very happy

(btw we would have private, better servers/ladders like ICCUP etc. for sc2 too if it wasn't for stupid Blizzard policy; who knows maybe we would have private leagues too if organizers of those were allowed to actually profit from organizing...)
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