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Selith
United States238 Posts
So that's not really a proud part of Korean culture, nor one that should be respected. | ||
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Navi
5286 Posts
On October 07 2010 15:35 Demand2k wrote: "The Vice Minister of course responded angrily, saying "Who do you think you are to say these things to the Minister? You're just a president of an ordinary corporation!!!" Korea's core problem. it's like the equivalent of the landlord being rude to vito corleone in the godfather II... you don't talk in that tone to that kind of person unless you want a beat down bad More of a cultural difference than anything but i think what mike morhaime said was pretty damn rude/crude whatever language or culture you put it in... you don't start off a conversation by proclaiming your heavily and currently contested opinion as fact, in a rude tone and manner, to a foreign politician | ||
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Demand2k
Norway875 Posts
On October 07 2010 15:37 LuciferSC wrote: Korea's core problem? How about learning to respect other cultures and not letting your lips loose without knowing what you're talking about. I have no respect for the fact that just *being older than someone* matters a fig in every single aspect of a society. It's freeloading, and perhaps someone competent could have filled named minister's shoes instead of some stuck-up fool who pulls a childish suppression technique. | ||
CaucasianAsian
Korea (South)11596 Posts
On October 07 2010 15:23 Sworn wrote: Blizzard is screwed they already have a problem with China and North Korea. Doing something to piss off the Korean government by looking like cocky "average" Americans isn't something thats going to go well with South Korean government. The fact that some embassy members were there for the USA just makes this an even bigger problem for the US. You think Obama is going to possibly lose overseas support against a country run by one of the biggest tyrants of our time? .......what are you talking about? how is north korea even involved? | ||
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
On October 07 2010 15:42 Demand2k wrote: I have no respect for the fact that just *being older than someone* matters a fig in every single aspect of a society. It's freeloading, and perhaps someone competent could have filled named minister's shoes instead of some stuck-up fool who pulls a childish suppression technique. Do you know anything about Korean culture? Respecting elders is damn important. Regardless of whether or not you agree, you don't disrespect foreign cultures unless you want to get smacked hard. | ||
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LuciferSC
Canada535 Posts
On October 07 2010 15:42 Demand2k wrote: I have no respect for the fact that just *being older than someone* matters a fig in every single aspect of a society. It's freeloading, and perhaps someone competent could have filled named minister's shoes instead of some stuck-up fool who pulls a childish suppression technique. I wasn't talking about age difference. It's called respecting authorities. Try walking up to a policeman and give him a middle finger, never mind a senate. You'll see what happens. And see if anyone supports you for disrespecting a public authoritative figure. You've got it totally wrong bud. | ||
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konadora
Singapore66359 Posts
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LuciferSC
Canada535 Posts
On October 07 2010 15:40 Selith wrote: Koreans are well aware of a problem that some people in position of serious power (whether it be in age, seniority, or literal power) in Korea tend to... think of everyone underneath them as really underneath them (and won't hide that attitude). So that's not really a proud part of Korean culture, nor one that should be respected. That's more of extreme cases, or using their authority to do flagrant activities. Expecting to get/give respect to authority is common world-wide. As someone in commanding position you need that authority to do his/her role, it is well deserved. | ||
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MadVillain
United States402 Posts
If its for the money than that's just fucking pathetic. Maybe Blizzard should adopt Google's motto "Don't be evil." Fucking money grubbing douches. | ||
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urashimakt
United States1591 Posts
On October 07 2010 15:35 Navi wrote: do you think a gaming company's pleas is as large to directly influence the political relations between two large world powers? besides, south korea is not the US's blind bitch, and if a minister took mouth like that from a gaming company head (if the translation is accurate, which it probably is not 100%) then the public at the very least would be very anti-blizzard right now. You don't talk shit to elderly people in positions of power like that without either being in a higher up / more old yourself or you are getting some serious hate there Given the U.S. and U.N.'s hand in the shaping of law in the Republic of Korea over the past couple decades, I'd believe if the United States said jump that South Korea would say how high. I also don't believe it would ever come to that. I'm frankly a little skeptical to sink my teeth into this source. It's not exactly quoted from the New York Times (or Korean equivalent). | ||
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mdb
Bulgaria4059 Posts
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LuciferSC
Canada535 Posts
On October 07 2010 15:51 mdb wrote: I`m stupid, what exactly blizzard and korea are negotiating for? To sum it up in short, IP (intellectual property). Blizzard claiming that any footage made with their games are their property, thus KESPA needs to pay for broadcasting BW games or holding BW tournaments. | ||
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Navi
5286 Posts
On October 07 2010 15:42 Demand2k wrote: I have no respect for the fact that just *being older than someone* matters a fig in every single aspect of a society. It's freeloading, and perhaps someone competent could have filled named minister's shoes instead of some stuck-up fool who pulls a childish suppression technique. this isn't even a matter of blizzard vs. activision anymore its degenerating into a hate or lubb korea's culture lol while i agree that there are cons to the system of elder respect in korean culture (placing fairly substantial divisions between grades in schools and society) it does teach all children, youth and adults a degree of respect for their elders. its convenient for the more aged folk who cannot do work for themselves as well as they used to be able to as they can ask for assistance from younger folk all around and can expect some assistance very quickly. and hell, everybody goes through it; don't think that that minister didn't have to do the same for all his elders while his elders "freeloaded" off of him as well. i really wouldn't use that word btw lots of people take it really seriously T_T and EVERYBODY who wants to have any success talking to foreign cultures need to learn at least a very basic degree of the other culture, or at least use common sense and try to be more careful with their words until they find a zone of comfort between them. as a part time translator and dude who's learned a lot of languages, pulling a mm is not smart at all. don't try this at school kids. lern 2 cultural tolerance plz | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50864 Posts
On October 07 2010 15:51 mdb wrote: I`m stupid, what exactly blizzard and korea are negotiating for? yeah..I believe its about their negotiations with KeSPA. I feel this article is a bunch of hogwash for readers to look at. | ||
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
On October 07 2010 15:50 urashimakt wrote: Given the U.S. and U.N.'s hand in the shaping of law in the Republic of Korea over the past couple decades, I'd believe if the United States said jump that South Korea would say how high. I also don't believe it would ever come to that. I'm frankly a little skeptical to sink my teeth into this source. It's not exactly quoted from the New York Times (or Korean equivalent). Korea would probably be pretty willing to do anything the US tells them. That being said, this is such a minor issue in the grand scheme of things, especially for the US. Blizzard has no notable political influence, especially not enough to bribe favor in a huge country. SK chaebols, on the other hand, do have such power. Regardless, it's not really going to escalate much more. Most likely, either Korea will tell Blizzard to GTFO or they will come to some sort of resolution. I don't see the US wanting to back someone who clearly starts trouble in negotiations anyways. | ||
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Selith
United States238 Posts
On October 07 2010 15:51 mdb wrote: I`m stupid, what exactly blizzard and korea are negotiating for? Originally, KeSPA and Gretech was to work out a deal so that SC1 PL / OSL / MSL would continue. It hasn't come to pass yet. It's already October, so Korean government (probably at behest of KeSPA, otherwise why would they get involved) got involved. They summoned Blizzard CEO, Mike Morhaime. So they are going back to settling whether IP of secondary products made through StarCraft is owned by Blizzard or not, once and for all, I would guess. Since the people involved on e-sports side of things continued to stress that 1st IP ownership of the game is important, I guess KeSPA is not going to attempt to say "StarCraft's overall IP doesn't belong to anyone" anymore. | ||
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Navi
5286 Posts
On October 07 2010 15:50 urashimakt wrote: Given the U.S. and U.N.'s hand in the shaping of law in the Republic of Korea over the past couple decades, I'd believe if the United States said jump that South Korea would say how high. I also don't believe it would ever come to that. I'm frankly a little skeptical to sink my teeth into this source. It's not exactly quoted from the New York Times (or Korean equivalent). if we were talking about a war or the political equivalent, i would agree with you. but when it comes to a gaming company's woes, and a minister took that kind of shit from an american dude without substantial political power (and seems to be lacking some manners), the entire country isn't going to stand for it even if there are some FTA guys and the dude's a U.S. citizen mike morh =/= US Mike says jump, minister says what the fuck | ||
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urashimakt
United States1591 Posts
On October 07 2010 15:55 Lightwip wrote: Korea would probably be pretty willing to do anything the US tells them. That being said, this is such a minor issue in the grand scheme of things, especially for the US. Blizzard has no notable political influence, especially not enough to bribe favor in a huge country. SK chaebols, on the other hand, do have such power. Regardless, it's not really going to escalate much more. Most likely, either Korea will tell Blizzard to GTFO or they will come to some sort of resolution. I don't see the US wanting to back someone who clearly starts trouble in negotiations anyways. There certainly has been an image painted here before us of a company harassing a nation, but I'd like to see proof. Like, real savory, beefy proof that tastes like justice. | ||
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d3_crescentia
United States4054 Posts
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