EPTYou can go and thank gretech/blizzard for not just keeping status quo. Someone seriously thinks it would help Sc2 if Bw dies? Oh jesus, cmon ...
Summarizing the Current KeSPA - Gretech situation - Page 8
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wiesel
Germany727 Posts
You can go and thank gretech/blizzard for not just keeping status quo. Someone seriously thinks it would help Sc2 if Bw dies? Oh jesus, cmon ... | ||
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Darth_Ihsahn
Mexico138 Posts
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endy
Switzerland8970 Posts
On September 07 2010 19:27 Darth_Ihsahn wrote: SC:BW is over ten years old. Is it that hard to code an open source SC:BW clone and get rid of ActiBlizzard completely? Didn't they do something similar in Korea with an FPS game? Yes. It's a lot easier to copy a FPS than a RTS. You need to copy the shitty path finding for the units, duplicate with a 100% accuracy every single unit behavior. And I assume that if you make such a perfect copy, you will be sued for plagiary, so it doesn't really solves the problem ^_^ | ||
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sAAvior
Poland248 Posts
If Blizzard/Gretech continues to alienate the sponsors any futher, just think, would they even WANT to bother sponsoring SC2 when Blizzard/Gretech simply strong armed them and SC:BW away? Why would anybody want to organize a pro league in sc2 anyway as everything belong to Blizzard anyway. Why would anybody want to sponsor a pro team and training house for them if every single replay and every single game they play there belongs to Blizzard ? It's impossible for professional competition to form around a game in which you can't even organize friendly tournament among your friends with 10$ prize for 1st without permission from Blizzard. I hope one day gaming communities (and players with them) like teamliquid will be strong enough to just say no to every company who tries to sell their product with such EULA. | ||
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arbiter_md
Moldova1219 Posts
That would be fair. And make much money for them. Any particular reason, why the other option could bring them more money? | ||
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mmdmmd
722 Posts
On September 07 2010 13:15 Zona wrote: If that claimed Gretech employee's post here about "if you could see our balance sheet" and so on was authentic and accurate, they could really be at risk. Without television broadcasting of their tournament, the reach is still very limited. And the need to charge foreign viewers for the content (while allowing South Koreans to view for free) still shows that they can't monetize the foreign audience through sponsorship/advertising. It's called Hollywood Accounting. Basically both Kespa and GomTv are using this tactic. It will always show them operating at a loss. | ||
Waxangel
United States33347 Posts
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Archerofaiur
United States4101 Posts
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Housemd
United States1407 Posts
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mmdmmd
722 Posts
On September 07 2010 20:33 Waxangel wrote: Considering almost all of the "things said by people" part is from people who were from kespa directly or pro kespa, I'm not taking that summary seriously at all. Until Gretech comes out with an official stance (they won't, because they actually respect an NDA), everything is pure speculation. We don't know if the "things said by people" was 100% true. Nor do we know Gretech didn't response because "they actually respect an NDA". | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5542 Posts
On September 07 2010 20:33 Waxangel wrote: Considering almost all of the "things said by people" part is from people who were from kespa directly or pro kespa, I'm not taking that summary seriously at all. Until Gretech comes out with an official stance (they won't, because they actually respect an NDA), everything is pure speculation. You're talking about Gretech respecting the NDA as if it was a noble thing. It's not. They respect the NDA because it benefits them greatly, while it harms KeSPA, because the terms Blizzard/Gretech have given KeSPA are blatantly abusive. When KeSPA first released the conditions Blizzard gave them during the negotiations Blizzard issued an official statement saying they're upset that KeSPA's broken the NDA. They NEVER denied anything. ;; So again, Gretech/Blizzard do not want the negotiations to become public because that'd obviously cause them to lose the public support they have. | ||
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mmdmmd
722 Posts
+100% salary! Most other players in KT got a rise too! BW is NOT DEAD! | ||
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TheStupidOne
United States5 Posts
As much as I hate to say it, and now that it's basically come down to a legal fight, I want KeSPA to win. KeSPA's legal stance rests on the players owning the rights to their performances, vs Blizzard saying anything made or using Starcraft IP is thus owned by them as well. If Blizzard wins then a horrible precedent is set. Imagine if Bic owned the rights to anything you wrote with their pens, or Xerox owned the rights to anything they copy. How absurd is that? Yet Blizzard is arguing that's the case here. As big of assholes KeSPA has been towards the players, there's far bigger chance of changing KeSPA's attitudes and player regulations over changing Blizzard's. If players walk and strike on KeSPA, they're hurting bad, they just lost their money maker and they'll be pressed hard to negotiate better terms. If players walk and strike on Blizzard, Blizzard just goes "pffft I already made boatloads off the game, see ya!" and ignores them. This fight may end up being one of the most pivotal IP (and by extension, consumer) rights fights ever. Just wish our side didn't benefit KeSPA :\ | ||
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MangoTango
United States3670 Posts
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foldy
Latvia60 Posts
It's an open available product and as long as you buy it you can do the hell you like with it. broadcast make fun of praise or just play. As long as you don't modify it and sell it as your own. and get rid of Blizzard copyrights. Srsly. If to follow your logic any company can just sue any esports broadcast by saying HEY it's our product we didnt give you permission to stream it! Kespa is not saying BW is their game. or that They own the rights to that game. But they can do whatever the hell they like with that game leagues or no leagues. Imagine photoshop would charge for every photo u post because they didnt give you the permission to show whatever you've made with the product you legitimately bought and own. I might be completely wrong about this. But please explain to me how does blizzard suddenly can say what OGN/MBC can or cant broadcast? They're making money because of the advertisement and popularity of the franchise you say? Well they made it popular and Blizzard should be thankful for that instead of unleashing dogs on the companies. I dont think that's Kespa nor OGN/MBC is trying to sell starcraft as their own they're selling Esports... and that's their creation not blizzards. | ||
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hydraden
United States719 Posts
Because Gretch owns the rights to both BW + SC2. And Proleague on a different day is better than no proleague at all. Honestly I feel that Gretch are asking for a lot, but KESPA are just fucking stubborn and greedy too. They don't want to give up the prime slot because of advertising money. If they truly were doing it for the sake of e-sports and all that they would have backed down. In fact, what they should have done was to buy the rights from blizzard in the first place, and not let Gretch get them. Again they didn't do that because of greed and their hatred of blizzard, nothing to do with saving e-sports. Now it will go to court and he only people that will really benefit from all this will be the lawyers. Both sides are at fault imo. What is KeSPA greedy for? It is a non-profit organization. If he agrees to pay Gretech, then this money will come from sponsors and proteams. It is not what KeSPA wants, it has always been what skt1, kt and other proteams want. | ||
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T0fuuu
Australia2275 Posts
On September 07 2010 16:35 ffreakk wrote: I cant believe someone wrote this.. You, sir, are either insane, or blatantly lying to yourself, or were born with an intelligence that make earthworms look like Einsteins in comparison. Thousands of fans came to watch Proleague finals live, hundreds of thousands of them watch them through TV or Livestream. Players practiced for MONTHS for it, giving it priority over both MSL n OSL.. And here you are saying that players and viewers dont care about it.. I am hoping that you can provide a single shed of proof in the form of anyone (outside of insane ones like yourself) saying that they do not care of Proleague. I think you got it wrong.. GSL in fact can broadcast during prime time.. They just know that they dont stand a fighting chance as their ball-vs-ball-after-20-minute gameplay cant even begin to compare to Brood War in all of its glory. Thats why they are trying to kill off competition through this underhanded means rather than competing openly. As a viewer, i would have thought that you would prefer the freedom to choose, rather than being forced to watch SC2 just cos there is no PL to be watched. Lastly, i would like to mention the fact that GOM said they would like to do away with the current team format for e-Sports, and keep it to a everyman-for-himself tournament format. Other than some SC2 fans who are blinded by their shiny new toys, any other blind guy and his grandma can see that this is reverting e-Sport back to its infantile stage. Face it, even for top players, if one slump means no food and no shelter for the coming months (until you unslump), nobody is willing to devote all their time n effort to make a living out of this. And for lesser players who would nvr reach the top (read A-team standard but not S-class), theres no hope to make a living at all.. And if nobody makes a living out of it, its not a "sport". You PL fanboys cant read for shit. i said proleague is the core of progaming and that gsl is not a reasonable replacement. THERES NO HIGHER PRAISE THAN SAYING THAT PL IS THE CORE OF PROGAMING. When i said dont care abt i mean as fans of the players as well as the players. I shouldnt have been so harsh on the words, cos obv ppl do care (who else would do the writeups?) but most casual specs like me are like that with our commitment to watching the scene. can you name 5 osl champs? yes. can you name 5 PL winning lineups? no. do you watch every PL game? prolly not, do you watch every flash game? prolly yes. Would jaedong rather win a` PL game then his next indiv one? probably not. does jaedong want to win in PL? well if he doesnt who the fuck on oz will. I care, just not much. PL is a strong show, but i think ppl follow players more than the teams. as such its not uncommon for someone like myself to follow 1 or 2 teams in PL , but 5 or so other players in the pl but keep tabs on every ro32 game for an indiv title. I am supporting the PL but its more the players that i watch than the teams. However, not giving any concessions to gom at the negotiating table wont do kespa or the proscene any good in the long run. Because of the nature of pl programming, there should be room towards the end of the season when some teams are not gonna find themselves at the podium, and at this time maybe gsl should get some time. or maybe early in pl season you could have some decent time for gsl. as long as ppl are willing to negotiate theres hope for an outcome, as soon as u get this holier than thou attitude where some things are not negotiable then its fucked. Not saying GOM has done this right but at least theyve been more flexible. id say they have more to lose by bringing this to court than kespa. Do you really think its OK for kespa to never give gom an opportunity to put ball vs ball on the screen so the viewers can decide for themself if they want to watch it? for someone who wants freedom to choose you sure as hell dont care for it. anyways, i think i should of just taken the mature route of not commenting on anything until its in writing. NDA's were supposed to be up so that we wouldnt have trial by media but thats been thrown out the window. | ||
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DiamondTear
Finland165 Posts
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Bisu-Fan
Russian Federation3329 Posts
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maybenexttime
Poland5542 Posts
On September 07 2010 23:13 DiamondTear wrote: I don't like what GOM is doing, but the whole idea of proleague is silly. It's not a team game, so why do you have a team league? Are you seriously asking that question? Read the damn thread. T_____T | ||
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