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France5779 Posts
On September 07 2010 23:13 DiamondTear wrote: I don't like what GOM is doing, but the whole idea of proleague is silly. It's not a team game, so why do you have a team league? The whole idea of e-sports is silly, but it's also entertaining. Proleague, silly or not, is more entertaining than individual leagues. Pretty simple, really. | ||
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mmdmmd
722 Posts
On September 07 2010 23:13 DiamondTear wrote: I don't like what GOM is doing, but the whole idea of proleague is silly. It's not a team game, so why do you have a team league? You just joined the SC scene? And I assume it's because of sc2? | ||
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Yurie
12178 Posts
On September 07 2010 23:13 DiamondTear wrote: I don't like what GOM is doing, but the whole idea of proleague is silly. It's not a team game, so why do you have a team league? Team leagues makes more players able to live of it, which means higher over all quality. If you just have solo competitions you will have the same 10 people win them, leaving them good with no competition coming up since the new players can't train as much due to not making any money. With teams you have 10 payed players (or thereabout) per team. Which leads to many more players being able to put in the hours needed in a good setting in order to raise the quality of the game. Another point is recognition, in NFL, NHL of Premier League, do you switch your favourite team each time a player switches team? Teams are easier to follow than players, leading to more viewers. Team leagues also makes regular games of players you want to follow easier to find. You know that team plays each week at 8 o'clock at that location if at home. Easy to find. The opposite can be argued about tennis and so on, but why aren't they as big as the other sports? On September 07 2010 20:37 Archerofaiur wrote:Also is there anywhere that has a kinda beginers guid to how esports/proteams etc.. works in korea. There are about a thousand acronyms associated with this debacle and people might have trouble with all the mbc,gsl,gom,ogn,skt,kt etc...  Portal:ProgamingOn the topic at hand, I don't really care either way except not wanting Blizzard to have 100% rights to everything associated with any of their games. | ||
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BlinkNudie
Malaysia49 Posts
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bubblegumbo
Taiwan1296 Posts
War is hell. | ||
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letian
Germany4221 Posts
On September 07 2010 16:23 sAAvior wrote: Imagine that some kind of billionaire decides to kill competitive tennis by introducing "tennis for fat people" the game is like normal tennis but with bigger, slower balls and only could be played by people who are 250+lbs. Billionaire is rich and sponsors tournaments with 5x prizes of grand slams and other tournaments. He also buys tv networks and make them not broadcast "old" tennis. The players have no choice but to switch to new game and become fat because it's where the money is. Viewers as much as they hate the situation has to watch tennis for fat people because there is no regular high level tennis anymore as all the money are in new game. This is exactly what Blizzard tries to force over us. When the smoke is cleared and Blizzard stops pouring money into sc2 tourneys we will be left with dead scene and dead old game which was so great to watch and had so many fans. This is not how free market works and this is not how you promote new stuff. I honestly hope more communities will join this "antiblizzard" thing KeSPA and pro teams forms. People should see that current EULA and Blizzard policy makes it impossible for this game to be esport success. Go to hell blizzard and don't ruin my favourite entertainment. Fuck this fat tennis, one fat moneybag will never make me do that, you can always choose, you're not a puppet after all, I will not watch SC2 if there will not be SC proleague, oh I swear I will not! | ||
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Zozo
Brazil2579 Posts
My predictions? everything goes on like it is now, and if gomtv doesn't take the lead in the viewer count they just might ask blizzard to intervene. Kespa will probably switch the proleague schedule on the TV then. | ||
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pinkranger15
Philippines1597 Posts
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urashimakt
United States1591 Posts
On September 07 2010 18:51 ffreakk wrote: Excuse my ignorance but please enlighten me as to what Halo and WoW have to do with e-Sports.. As far as i know, those were mere games, e-Sport on the other hand is a completely different concept. Edit: I would like to also mention that it is nearly impossible to argue that Blizzard does not know of all these negotiations going on. And if they know and said nothing, i dont see it as any different from Blizzard directly do all these. Wikipedia has a lovely article on the subject, I don't feel I should really go into it here. If you're interested with the history, it starts at Doom and Quake and works its way up through Starcraft and then the latest games. I am sorry for not getting the initial reference, I read it as a literal dependency of e-sports on the pro-teams. | ||
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letian
Germany4221 Posts
On September 07 2010 23:13 DiamondTear wrote: I don't like what GOM is doing, but the whole idea of proleague is silly. It's not a team game, so why do you have a team league? Jesus f**ing Christ!!! Just because I see you're too newbie to judge, I won't smash your face. | ||
Milkis
5003 Posts
On September 07 2010 20:33 Waxangel wrote: Considering almost all of the "things said by people" part is from people who were from kespa directly or pro kespa, I'm not taking that summary seriously at all. Until Gretech comes out with an official stance (they won't, because they actually respect an NDA), everything is pure speculation. There's plenty of things from Gretech informants within the negotiations. There are also supposedly "neutral" parties. (Read the first fomos article (second in my thread), and there's a few other comments from Gretech informants) | ||
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aru
183 Posts
On September 07 2010 20:37 Archerofaiur wrote: Ive been looking for a summary like this for a long time. Thanks Milkis. Also is there anywhere that has a kinda beginers guid to how esports/proteams etc.. works in korea. There are about a thousand acronyms associated with this debacle and people might have trouble with all the mbc,gsl,gom,ogn,skt,kt etc... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=48622#10 is a pretty good summary of how stuff flows in Korean e-sports. Outdated but still mostly accurate. Also, iirc, the Ministry of Culture has previously stepped in during the negotiations between Kespa/IEG vs MBC/OGN, so that'll probably happen before any type of court battle Edit, and quoting myself from another thread. It's strange that people see that Gretech as acting on their own. You don't think Blizzard is keeping tabs on their sole "partner" in Korea? If the whole point of Blizzard vs Kespa is about control, you think they just sold the contracts to Gretech and let them have free reign? Edit2: Mike Morhaime showed up for the opening day of the GSL, too. So unless he is totally oblivious, he sure as hell knows what Gretech is up to. | ||
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Kanil
United States1713 Posts
Good to see Proleague rolling on. | ||
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emucxg
Finland4559 Posts
On September 07 2010 23:36 pinkranger15 wrote: i really hope that Gretech and Kespa will have a decent decision that will benefit us all. i really want BW players to play SC2 and make it as epic as BW. 4 years later u wanna SC2 players to play Warcraft4 | ||
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OnFire
324 Posts
It's Blizzards fat money grubbing fingers reaching into the pot of eSports, something they should stay the hell out off. | ||
Chill
Calgary26004 Posts
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gillon
Sweden1578 Posts
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aupstar
Australia912 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=128517 K E S P A...Don't PPP! GO GO GO! :D I know, they've been bad in the past..but they're standing up for what they believe in and that my friends is a very admirable trait.. Good luck to them in the ensuing court battle. Peace. | ||
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
Reading that summary I didn't see one single concession from Kespa. Their idea of negotiating seems to be; we will give you absolutely nothing and you will do what we want. They aren't negotiating at all, they're just getting angry and throwing their weight around. I find it rather pathetic particularly after they strong-armed the GomTV tournaments. Things have changed. SC2 is out and they're going to have to conceed to helping the SC2 scene develop, at least a little. Either that or play a game that ISN'T owned by Blizzard. | ||
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Murderotica
Vatican City State2594 Posts
First of all let me tell you that you are a selfish asshole who can't see past his own computer screen. You got SC2 and you think "omg bst gaem evr" so naturally you want the game you enjoy at the moment to be the most successful. Well guess what, your opinion of this game is shared by some people, but many many others think that SC2 is not better than BW (at least not yet) and therefore should not be usurping the already mature and advanced BW scene of the limelight. Newer is NOT better, and if not just because of the games themselves, then because SC2 has not had the time to develop to a mature and competitive game on the level of BW. So why should we force this game into primetime slots and drop money on it like no tomorrow, when the product is not as entertaining as BW because of the dilution of the skill base and the currently low skill ceiling? "Because we hope to achieve what BW has achieved someday, and doing these things makes this day come sooner," you might say. All I have to say is that you're wrong. BW came from dirt to royalty over years of development. As the game progressed in terms of average skill and entertainment values, sponsors naturally approached the scene and that is where the money should come from - investing in a product that has already proven its worth in a competitive setting. There are too many things wrong with SC2 and the people who are trying to promote it right now to safely say that it will succeed as a prosport. Trying to cut off the head of BW so that SC2 can thrive is just one glaring example of how WEAK even the people trying to promote the game think it is (or the scene/potential entertainment value is). Take your slightly shittier timeslot, simply because BW has had this time slot and why be a dick like your company and try to take it away simply on the grounds that your game came out more recently. Well you know what, I can't watch SC2 games with the same intensity that I can watch BW games, so fuck you for thinking that this move is okay. I want my BW scene alive and intact - people are already moving to SC2 if they want to. And you know what? If your game is really so great, it will rise in ratings and eventually it will have the swing to knock out BW, maybe. Until then, stop supporting this movement to kill the only true Esport in the world. Assholes. | ||
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