I think money is money. You need it. It's a fact.

It's easy to say "why throw matches" assuming you work 8h/5day/week and getting a good payment.
It's not about loving what you do, it's about playing this all day long, and dont get payed for that.

Everyone says "Do what you like to do" when you're in doubt of what to do as work. But "love" and "fun" isn't the only things you need to live. Gotta make money too.

Slow Motion

United States6960 Posts

May 19 2010 00:34 GMT

#42

On May 19 2010 09:28 guii wrote:
I think money is money. You need it. It's a fact.

It's easy to say "why throw matches" assuming you work 8h/5day/week and getting a good payment.
It's not about loving what you do, it's about playing this all day long, and dont get payed for that.

Everyone says "Do what you like to do" when you're in doubt of what to do as work. But "love" and "fun" isn't the only things you need to live. Gotta make money too.

My point is that if you just went into progaming, not because you love it despite the challenges, but because you wanted to make lots of money, then there is no need for us to feel bad for you when you cheat for money.

Nothing wrong with making money at all, but you should have stayed in school and gotten a decent job to do it. Unless these cheaters are actually starving, there is something very wrong from trying to make money from an illegal act.

If you don't love Starcraft, don't come into progaming to exploit the game for your own gain. No one is forcing you to be a progamer. That is why we respect the ones who sacrificed money and a life to try progaming because they love it.

pR0gR4m3R

Spain1446 Posts

May 19 2010 00:34 GMT

#43

For me its quite clear

1. Blizz will organize tournaments with high prizes
2. Korean pros, fed up with their low salaries, will go away from teams/kespa and try to create their own Sc2 pro teams to compete to get that money
3. "Free agency period" hurt sooooo bad this esport. Showing how good players can win $200.000 a year, and other get even less than a half of it

TuElite

Canada2123 Posts

May 19 2010 00:39 GMT

#44

Thank you for translating this, really interesting read.

Slow Motion

United States6960 Posts

May 19 2010 00:43 GMT

#45

One solution to the progaming problem could be to ban children from practicing for hours a day with a progaming team. This essentially bans underage gamers from participating in progaming unless they are good enough to keep up with those over-age without as much practice and with the burdens of a mandatory school life.

As an alternative, there should be a high school progaming organization for the kids. After they become adults, they may freely choose to become true pros who practice 10 hours a day in a house. Until then, they will be students and the teachers and coaches in a high school will make sure they do not neglect their academics while encouraging balances gaming and student life.

Basically something like how basketball or football is here in the U.S. The problem is that even in Korea gaming might not be popular enough to get that kind of support, but if enough kids are interested then I think it could be a possibility. Also schools may not want to encourage video gaming (as they would with physical sports that are seen as more healthy), but really we are seeing the cost of not having this kind of program and it is much worse.

MrBob

93 Posts

May 19 2010 00:46 GMT

#46

This still doesn't make what savior did understandable. Maybe for lesser known gamers it does, but savior was making a lot more money without match fixing than the others would ever make even with illegal gambling.

JohannesH

Finland1364 Posts

May 19 2010 00:48 GMT

#47

Wasnt there some interview of Hyuk here, where he said he earned 50k $ a year? So either I remember wrong or there's big differences between teams on how much they pay their average A-teamers.

Skvid

Lithuania751 Posts

May 19 2010 01:05 GMT

#48

I always felt it was something like this down there, it shouldn't come out as some shocking news for any of you, unless you've been that naive all this time.

Anyways, it's a nice read, thanks for translating.

SilverSkyLark

Philippines8437 Posts

May 19 2010 01:10 GMT

#49

On May 19 2010 05:44 JDforever wrote:
Nice Artical~~~thx

Damn you managed to read that within a minute?! Gotta learn how to do that soon.

hacpee

United States752 Posts

May 19 2010 01:40 GMT

#50

Um, there is nothing new in this article. We knew this for a long time. Fact is that the progamers can choose to leave whenever they want and pursue an occupation a real occupation.

l10f

United States3241 Posts

May 19 2010 01:58 GMT

#51

On May 19 2010 10:40 hacpee wrote:
Um, there is nothing new in this article. We knew this for a long time. Fact is that the progamers can choose to leave whenever they want and pursue an occupation a real occupation.

yup so the time you spent practicing starcraft to get to their level (what, A/A+ on iccup?) instead of studying can be randomly made up so you can go to a college and "pursue an occupation a real occupation." Especially when getting a job in Korea after high school is very hard.

darktreb

United States3017 Posts

May 19 2010 02:05 GMT

#52

Gotta love all the people who are like "if you loved money so much you shouldn't have become a gamer"

Because, you know, it's not like people ever change their minds or regret their decisions anything, right?

peidongyang

Canada2084 Posts

May 19 2010 02:11 GMT

#53

Well, imo, luxury is off the hook in my books

years

Costa Rica216 Posts

May 19 2010 02:14 GMT

#54

Why do people say this scandal destroyed esports for them?

The amount fo games played vs the amount of games being thrown is ridiculously high. Its not like all of BW was one big setup.

alexpnd

Canada1857 Posts

May 19 2010 02:26 GMT

#55

Good article. Though yet again, feels like nothing is being done. Boxer where are you?

XinRan

United States530 Posts

May 19 2010 02:49 GMT

#56

On May 19 2010 11:26 alexpnd wrote:
Good article. Though yet again, feels like nothing is being done. Boxer where are you?

It takes a really brave man to stand up to the huge corporate sponsors, broadcasters, and KeSPA. I'm not sure whether there is a man in progaming brave enough to stand up. Besides, they spend all their time practicing. Where will they get the time to advocate for better conditions?

Hesmyrr

Canada5776 Posts

May 19 2010 03:00 GMT

#57

I literally want Blizzard to take over Starcraft pro-scene because if this is done, condition of progamers are definitely going to improve significantly.

Scarecrow

Korea (South)9172 Posts

May 19 2010 03:14 GMT

#58

So NBA players should get paid nothing because it's not a "real" occupation? Get real, they're entertainers/sportsmen who have worked for many years to develop a skill capital that you think they should just throw away because they are not paid appropriately and their job isn't legitimate. You're either a troll or should gtfo of this forum if you're that naive.

TheYango

United States47024 Posts

May 19 2010 03:16 GMT

#59

On May 19 2010 11:49 XinRan wrote:

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It's kind of funny. I think the only player who would have enough influence to really advocate those kinds of rights would be someone with bonjwa-level media attention; and the last person who really had that level of attention gave into the pressure and is at the center of this scandal.